Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Tom. He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a killer. The 
Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know people still want them, 
heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki ashen sold my 55cm 
Bleriot. If someone could get it for $1800 or so shipped then good. I bet 
shipping will be about $300 or more.

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:

> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
>
>> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price?
>>
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>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
>>> "Rivendellicious"
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>>>> 57cm
>>>> $2,000
>>>> Knoxville, TN
>>>>
>>>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [s-l1600.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Heron F/F/HS
>>>>> 59cm
>>>>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>>>>
>>>>> [s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Emmet's Atlantis
>>>>> 62cm
>>>>> $4,100
>>>>> Johnstown, Penna.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>>>>
>>>>> [00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Platypus F/F/HS
>>>>> 60cm
>>>>> $1,637
>>>>> Eugene, OR
>>>>>
>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [IMG_3589.PNG]
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not on Face Book, what is the asking price?

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:

> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
> "Rivendellicious"
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>
> Good luck!
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>> 57cm
>> $2,000
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Heron F/F/HS
>>> 59cm
>>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>>
>>> [s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>>
>>> Emmet's Atlantis
>>> 62cm
>>> $4,100
>>> Johnstown, Penna.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>>
>>> [00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>
>>> Platypus F/F/HS
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,637
>>> Eugene, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

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Ken, you just reminded me of many years ago on a quiet countryside 2 lane road, 
I was riding to the right and I assume it was kids that threw a full big cup of 
ice filled liquid in what kind of car I have no recollection. Yea they got me 
and I really wanted to get them but was too stunned. People can just be stupid 
thinking they are funny.

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> Preface: I don't condone my choice of action
> Years ago, I had a group of teens hit me with a full gallon-sized (or metric 
> equivalent) bottle of Gatorade thrown out the car window as they swerved 
> uncomfortably close to me. It was early morning and I presumed they were on 
> their way to school.
>
> I sped up, cut through the neighborhood, and caught up to them idling at a 
> busy intersection. I surprised them with a kick to the door, reached through 
> the passenger window, turned off the ignition, removed the keys, and threw 
> the keys as hard as I could into the nearby thick grass. I calmly said 
> "explain that one to dad" as I rode off leaving them stranded in traffic.
>
> Ken - who now just "smiles and waves"
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a great 
>> idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, vent 
>> or commiserate.
>>
>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to driver 
>> inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your fault or 
>> no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a motorist you'd 
>> like to share?
>>
>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
>> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
>> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
>> the like.
>>
>> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile trip. 
>> I was heading down a one-way street through a residential neighborhood with 
>> street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped park on the left. I 
>> was riding to the right side of the street. This section of road has one 
>> lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for someone to comfortably pass 
>> a cyclist.
>>
>> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
>> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the road!" 
>> kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which is 
>> legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
>> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
>> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn.
>>
>> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
>> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
>> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
>> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
>> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
>> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
>> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
>> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist.
>>
>> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
>> wheel. When I made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
>> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to get 
>> close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
>> middle of the road.
>>
>> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum can 
>> of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was soda, 
>> beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to bail and 
>> get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car could not get 
>> to me.
>>
>> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the sidewalk 
>> the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on their 
>> brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk or hit 
>> their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front brake 
>> cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates.
>>
>> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
>> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
>> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
>>

Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

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Great price for all that is included.

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On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 9:00 PM, Matthew Williams 
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> Bleriot F/F/HS: 59cm
> $900
> Boulder, CO
> https://boulder.craigslist.org/bop/d/boulder-rivendell-bleriot-frameset/7530330159.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: YOUR BACK SHRINKING

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Ryan, I went through this 10 years ago. Car accident while working in 2010 
(rear ended by teen in a Jeep doing over 50 while I was at a standstill in 
order to make a left turn), second very aggressive back surgery in 2012, so 
yes, I am going slow. Right now I just want the draining to stop, it’s been 8 
days and is too long but as they sat patience is a virtue. And besides my wife 
gets me out every day for a short walk and watches me like a hawk.

Thanks

Joel

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 6:16 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> Nothing wrong with walking...and it's good you're being careful. After my 
> 2016 run-in with a car, a few days later, I thought I could do a little 2 
> kilometer walk , and man, did I pay for that. Bad enough I couldn't ride for 
> the rest of the fall, which is my favorite riding time...but I also had to 
> slow my roll for a few weeks where walking was concerned. Sounds like you're 
> being smarter than I was, however.
>
> All the best
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:04:15 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ryan. I am hoping to be able to walk more than 2 blocks soon, as this 
>> was a relatively easy procedure. Walking looks great right now.
>>
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 1:21:51 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I do hope your recovery goes well and you can get back on the bike. I 
>>> try not to obsess about this, but who knows how many miles are left on the 
>>> odometer, right? And since I walk rather than ride in the winter...I 
>>> figure...carpe diem
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:12:28 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Exactly. My speed is now just slow and I don’t care, my distance is 
 shortened. I think this season is over for me so I will see what next year 
 brings. I tuned 71 in August, had an injury this year that kept me off the 
 bike most of the time, I watched my speed and mileage diminish.I am was 
 able to ride a few weeks before my Sept. back surgery. Now to heal. I am 
 most happy when I ride so looking forward to getting back on the bike.

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 On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 12:42 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> Was it Bette Davis who said "getting old ain't for the faint of heart" ?
>
> I, too, will hit my three-score and ten in December and I know my bike 
> accident in 2016 where a car turning right into the bike lane landed me 
> with an L1 compression fracture...mostly healed and I'm a little 
> arthritic, so less limber than I used to be.
>
> That being said, the configuration of Moustache bars, 9cm stem and saddle 
> level with the stem , so I'm leaning at about a 45 degree angle still 
> works the best for me. If I can still ride for a couple of hours 
> steadily, regardless of what the actual distance is...(and I know I can 
> download Strava if I want to)...I am good with that and grateful I can 
> still do it. On a single-speed with a low gear. But still under my own 
> power, however diminished it is.
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 9:02:47 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I lost 2” after my second back surgery. I was riding Albatross way 
>> before then and always used a short stem, never changed from my drops. I 
>> finally got longer stems and that is better but only because I was 
>> riding too short stems. My stems now with Choco bars are 8 and 9 cm 
>> where I was riding 7cm before. I just had a third surgery but much less 
>> invasive and I suspect when I can ride again all will be ok with my 
>> bikes setup. As Jon said, getting older can be slippery.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:24:48 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I can relate to all of this. I'm in the early years of my seventh 
>>> decade now and I've only lost and inch in height, but I'm finding the 
>>> stem length of 110mm on my Ram to be a bit longer than what was 
>>> comfortable when I first got it almost 20 years ago. I hate to think 
>>> about it, because it will mean removing and replacing bar tape in order 
>>> to install a shorter stem, but as we trudge along we have to face 
>>> issues like these. Oh well...
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:39:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I am 66 and 5 months - reached SS "full retirement age" last month but 
 I am still riding drops and flat bars (and working). Riding upright is 
 the most uncomfortable thing for me. Drops and flat bars takes some 
 weight off of my butt - I am overweight. I hate the "tippy" feeling of 
 sitting upright and upright bars are always way too close. I like 
 being able to move my hands to different positions on the top of drop 
 bars. I basically only use the drops for going down hill.
 I am 6' but have the legs of someone 5'8" and the torso of someone 
 6'4". I have step thr

Re: [RBW] Re: YOUR BACK SHRINKING

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Exactly. My speed is now just slow and I don’t care, my distance is shortened. 
I think this season is over for me so I will see what next year brings. I tuned 
71 in August, had an injury this year that kept me off the bike most of the 
time, I watched my speed and mileage diminish.I am was able to ride a few weeks 
before my Sept. back surgery. Now to heal. I am most happy when I ride so 
looking forward to getting back on the bike.

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> Was it Bette Davis who said "getting old ain't for the faint of heart" ?
>
> I, too, will hit my three-score and ten in December and I know my bike 
> accident in 2016 where a car turning right into the bike lane landed me with 
> an L1 compression fracture...mostly healed and I'm a little arthritic, so 
> less limber than I used to be.
>
> That being said, the configuration of Moustache bars, 9cm stem and saddle 
> level with the stem , so I'm leaning at about a 45 degree angle still works 
> the best for me. If I can still ride for a couple of hours steadily, 
> regardless of what the actual distance is...(and I know I can download Strava 
> if I want to)...I am good with that and grateful I can still do it. On a 
> single-speed with a low gear. But still under my own power, however 
> diminished it is.
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 9:02:47 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I lost 2” after my second back surgery. I was riding Albatross way before 
>> then and always used a short stem, never changed from my drops. I finally 
>> got longer stems and that is better but only because I was riding too short 
>> stems. My stems now with Choco bars are 8 and 9 cm where I was riding 7cm 
>> before. I just had a third surgery but much less invasive and I suspect when 
>> I can ride again all will be ok with my bikes setup. As Jon said, getting 
>> older can be slippery.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:24:48 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I can relate to all of this. I'm in the early years of my seventh decade 
>>> now and I've only lost and inch in height, but I'm finding the stem length 
>>> of 110mm on my Ram to be a bit longer than what was comfortable when I 
>>> first got it almost 20 years ago. I hate to think about it, because it will 
>>> mean removing and replacing bar tape in order to install a shorter stem, 
>>> but as we trudge along we have to face issues like these. Oh well...
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:39:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I am 66 and 5 months - reached SS "full retirement age" last month but I 
 am still riding drops and flat bars (and working). Riding upright is the 
 most uncomfortable thing for me. Drops and flat bars takes some weight off 
 of my butt - I am overweight. I hate the "tippy" feeling of sitting 
 upright and upright bars are always way too close. I like being able to 
 move my hands to different positions on the top of drop bars. I basically 
 only use the drops for going down hill.
 I am 6' but have the legs of someone 5'8" and the torso of someone 6'4". I 
 have step throughs: Clementine, Rosco Medium Mountain Mixte and a Rosco 
 Baby that I am experimenting with - the Keven's Cargo Bike mixte doesn't 
 count as it is still too high to step through. I can still swing my leg 
 over, but it is becoming more difficult. I have high hopes for the Rosco 
 Baby - I am thinking of trying the Chocomoose bars for it and maybe the 
 Keven's Cargo Bike. The Rosco Baby TT is 20 cm longer than the ST and may 
 allow me to use bars with back sweep. The Rosco Baby wheelbase is only two 
 inches longer than my custom.

 Laing
 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-4 Charlie wrote:

> I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS 
> ONLY. SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN 
> MY HEIGHT.
> I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
> Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flyer vs. B67

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Meant B17……

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> Roberta, you got my last one. The B67 fits my butt well but I still liked 
> that wider saddle.
>
> Glad you are enjoying it.
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> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:39 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I was a lucky purchaser of one of Joel's B68 and have "happy butt." :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 2:03:20 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> I found the B68 an easy break in saddle, wish I had not sold them all, I am 
>>> too light for springs to have any benefit. I have no idea how the Loveland 
>>> from Rivet would be to break in. When you do find a B68 on eBay the prices 
>>> are generally pretty ridiculous.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> B67 or B68 (no springs) if you can find one. Or a Loveland from Rivet (no 
>>>> springs either).
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:00:13 PM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just joined after purchasing my first Country bike; a beaut of a lime 
>>>>> olive platypus. Goal is to get more upright and it was outfitted with 
>>>>> albatross bars which are about perfect. However, I put my Brooks 
>>>>> professional from the 70s on and it doesn’t quite match the more upright 
>>>>> position. I’m thinking Flyer vs b67. Any recommendations from this 
>>>>> esteemed group and, how does one avoid annoying squeaks with those spring 
>>>>> saddles. My riding is essentially road and hard packed dry trails in so. 
>>>>> Cal. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flyer vs. B67

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Roberta, you got my last one. The B67 fits my butt well but I still liked that 
wider saddle.

Glad you are enjoying it.

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On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:39 PM, Roberta  wrote:

> I was a lucky purchaser of one of Joel's B68 and have "happy butt." :)
>
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 2:03:20 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I found the B68 an easy break in saddle, wish I had not sold them all, I am 
>> too light for springs to have any benefit. I have no idea how the Loveland 
>> from Rivet would be to break in. When you do find a B68 on eBay the prices 
>> are generally pretty ridiculous.
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> B67 or B68 (no springs) if you can find one. Or a Loveland from Rivet (no 
>>> springs either).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:00:13 PM UTC-4 schralp wrote:
>>>
 Just joined after purchasing my first Country bike; a beaut of a lime 
 olive platypus. Goal is to get more upright and it was outfitted with 
 albatross bars which are about perfect. However, I put my Brooks 
 professional from the 70s on and it doesn’t quite match the more upright 
 position. I’m thinking Flyer vs b67. Any recommendations from this 
 esteemed group and, how does one avoid annoying squeaks with those spring 
 saddles. My riding is essentially road and hard packed dry trails in so. 
 Cal. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: I see a thread on Piriformis. But I have a different problem, wondering if anyone has knowledge?

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Phillip, I didn’t connect it right away but the pain in my butt started 
increasing some months before the leg pain. I was doing some gentle Pilates but 
am not sure that this did not inflame it. I have been stretching my back daily 
for about 30 years but my routine changes at times. I have a good Orthopedic 
surgeon in Boston, a bit far but as this will be a day surgery I can make it 
work. What I liked about him was that he did not want to touch my levels above 
which have issues but this is a slippery road once surgeries are done. I hurt 
after I ride but it is a pain I can deal with. This leg pain has to stop as it 
interferes too much with life and I know the screw has to come out.

Thanks again.

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 4:02 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:

> Just some thinking out loud with some lessons learned from experience. It 
> took nearly 18 months for me to finally get to the point where I could start 
> isolating cause & effect & we went down endless rabbit holes during that 
> time. Iyengar yogi has helped immensely around too.
>
> Since even a slightly bulging disc can inflame a nerve into agony I can't 
> image what a screw could do in the same situation.
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 2:38:01 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Phillip, I agree on what you say. I am hoping the calf pain and maybe even 
>> the thigh pain are a resurgence of the sciatica that was 90+% gone after my 
>> last surgery 10 years ago. I have one doc who is in agreement so far that 
>> the screw has to come out and am waiting for a second opinion appt, but 
>> either way I know it has to go. The pain that never resolved was a mild pain 
>> in my butt when in my recliner which had gotten worse before the thigh and 
>> calf pain. Maybe my knee blowing up is coincidence, I prefer to have the 
>> screw removed than another knee replacement (my right leg one was not a 
>> great success, better but not better enough). This is something I had not 
>> thought of “ Theorizing here that perhaps the nerve/sciatica is causing the 
>> body to twist which in turn is irritating the IT band and causing the knee 
>> pain” and makes a lot of sense to me.
>>
>> Thanks for reading my note thoroughly…….
>>
>> Joel
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>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:01 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>>> Joel, I reread your post a couple of times and the 2 things that jumped out 
>>> at me were the IT band and the MRI. If a nerve is being impinged you've 
>>> hopefully found your issue and either way that surely needs to be addressed 
>>> prior to anything else (including PT)? That nerve (and sciatica) would also 
>>> point to the calf pain as the IT band does not extend past the lower knee.
>>>
>>> What I have discovered is that our bodies will perform some clever 
>>> physiological tricks to try & avoid pain at all costs and will stress other 
>>> areas in doing so at which point it becomes difficult to isolate effect 
>>> from underlying root cause. Theorizing here that perhaps the nerve/sciatica 
>>> is causing the body to twist which in turn is irritating the IT band and 
>>> causing the knee pain.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Hi Paul, thanks for your input.

 I am working with a sports medicine group and their physical therapists. I 
 will be 71 next week so anytime off the bike is stolen time and I only 
 have a limited about of time living in the northeast. I have some days to 
 see how my knee treatment will work, I am hopeful, as far as my calf pain 
 that may be a very different thing and I will have to figure that one out. 
 I have a feeling it is coming from my knee not my back some time will tell.

 In any event slow and easy is the way I am going with this as I have few 
 options and I really do want to be able to ride in the fall.

 Thanks again. My knees have bothered me since I was in my late 40's, had 
 one replaced in 2018, not great but better than the other one at the 
 moment. I don't mind some pain as long as I can still function.

 Thanks again

 Joel

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 On Sunday, August 7th, 2022 at 2:03 PM, Paul Clifton  
 wrote:

> Hey Joel,
> I've had knee pain for 25 years on and off and relatively recently have 
> had some hip/quad/glute pain that sounds vaguely similar to yours. I 
> haven't had any surgery or steroid or cortisone or anything like that 
> though, so I can't comment much specifically. But I can encourage you to 
> stick with the PT; it's really the only thing that has ever helped me - 
> repeat visits to the same person who can assess my strength and mobility 
> and adjust my program as I progress.
>

Re: [RBW] Re: I see a thread on Piriformis. But I have a different problem, wondering if anyone has knowledge?

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Phillip, I agree on what you say. I am hoping the calf pain and maybe even the 
thigh pain are a resurgence of the sciatica that was 90+% gone after my last 
surgery 10 years ago. I have one doc who is in agreement so far that the screw 
has to come out and am waiting for a second opinion appt, but either way I know 
it has to go. The pain that never resolved was a mild pain in my butt when in 
my recliner which had gotten worse before the thigh and calf pain. Maybe my 
knee blowing up is coincidence, I prefer to have the screw removed than another 
knee replacement (my right leg one was not a great success, better but not 
better enough). This is something I had not thought of “ Theorizing here that 
perhaps the nerve/sciatica is causing the body to twist which in turn is 
irritating the IT band and causing the knee pain” and makes a lot of sense to 
me.

Thanks for reading my note thoroughly…….

Joel
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:01 AM, Philip Barrett  
wrote:

> Joel, I reread your post a couple of times and the 2 things that jumped out 
> at me were the IT band and the MRI. If a nerve is being impinged you've 
> hopefully found your issue and either way that surely needs to be addressed 
> prior to anything else (including PT)? That nerve (and sciatica) would also 
> point to the calf pain as the IT band does not extend past the lower knee.
>
> What I have discovered is that our bodies will perform some clever 
> physiological tricks to try & avoid pain at all costs and will stress other 
> areas in doing so at which point it becomes difficult to isolate effect from 
> underlying root cause. Theorizing here that perhaps the nerve/sciatica is 
> causing the body to twist which in turn is irritating the IT band and causing 
> the knee pain.
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul, thanks for your input.
>>
>> I am working with a sports medicine group and their physical therapists. I 
>> will be 71 next week so anytime off the bike is stolen time and I only have 
>> a limited about of time living in the northeast. I have some days to see how 
>> my knee treatment will work, I am hopeful, as far as my calf pain that may 
>> be a very different thing and I will have to figure that one out. I have a 
>> feeling it is coming from my knee not my back some time will tell.
>>
>> In any event slow and easy is the way I am going with this as I have few 
>> options and I really do want to be able to ride in the fall.
>>
>> Thanks again. My knees have bothered me since I was in my late 40's, had one 
>> replaced in 2018, not great but better than the other one at the moment. I 
>> don't mind some pain as long as I can still function.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Joel
>>
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>>
>> On Sunday, August 7th, 2022 at 2:03 PM, Paul Clifton  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Joel,
>>> I've had knee pain for 25 years on and off and relatively recently have had 
>>> some hip/quad/glute pain that sounds vaguely similar to yours. I haven't 
>>> had any surgery or steroid or cortisone or anything like that though, so I 
>>> can't comment much specifically. But I can encourage you to stick with the 
>>> PT; it's really the only thing that has ever helped me - repeat visits to 
>>> the same person who can assess my strength and mobility and adjust my 
>>> program as I progress.
>>>
>>> The main thing I'm learning as I approach 40 is that I need to take it slow 
>>> and not re-injure myself while I'm rebuilding my strength. I turned 39 a 
>>> week ago and start PT again 3 weeks before that for this 
>>> hip/glute/back/quad stuff. I'm giving myself the next year to get my 
>>> strength, mobility, and mileage back to where it was when I was 30. From 
>>> your story, (filtered though my own experience so grain of salt ...) it 
>>> sounds like you had something kinda minor that you then aggravated a few 
>>> more times without adding in restorative movements.
>>>
>>> IME it's normal for the first day or two of PT to be very hard and make me 
>>> pretty sore, but if that persists, maybe try a different PT or at least ask 
>>> for something lighter and build up to whatever they have you doing now. 
>>> Also, I've found that working with and actual Doctor of Physical Thereapy 
>>> is a LOT LOT LOT better than someone with a fewer qualifications. And 
>>> physical therapists focusing on sports injuries may be better than the ones 
>>> that focus mainly on recovery from surgery or others (although a good doc 
>>> should be able to do both).
>>>
>>> Any way, here's to minimal pain for all of us in the future,
>>> Paul "life is pain" in AR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:25:32 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 In mid May I had a mishap, my leg lost it’s stability for a moment while 
 on line for a light

Re: [RBW] Re: I see a thread on Piriformis. But I have a different problem, wondering if anyone has knowledge?

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Paul, thanks for your input.

I am working with a sports medicine group and their physical therapists. I will 
be 71 next week so anytime off the bike is stolen time and I only have a 
limited about of time living in the northeast. I have some days to see how my 
knee treatment will work, I am hopeful, as far as my calf pain that may be a 
very different thing and I will have to figure that one out. I have a feeling 
it is coming from my knee not my back some time will tell.

In any event slow and easy is the way I am going with this as I have few 
options and I really do want to be able to ride in the fall.

Thanks again. My knees have bothered me since I was in my late 40's, had one 
replaced in 2018, not great but better than the other one at the moment. I 
don't mind some pain as long as I can still function.

Thanks again

Joel

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On Sunday, August 7th, 2022 at 2:03 PM, Paul Clifton  
wrote:

> Hey Joel,
> I've had knee pain for 25 years on and off and relatively recently have had 
> some hip/quad/glute pain that sounds vaguely similar to yours. I haven't had 
> any surgery or steroid or cortisone or anything like that though, so I can't 
> comment much specifically. But I can encourage you to stick with the PT; it's 
> really the only thing that has ever helped me - repeat visits to the same 
> person who can assess my strength and mobility and adjust my program as I 
> progress.
>
> The main thing I'm learning as I approach 40 is that I need to take it slow 
> and not re-injure myself while I'm rebuilding my strength. I turned 39 a week 
> ago and start PT again 3 weeks before that for this hip/glute/back/quad 
> stuff. I'm giving myself the next year to get my strength, mobility, and 
> mileage back to where it was when I was 30. From your story, (filtered though 
> my own experience so grain of salt ...) it sounds like you had something 
> kinda minor that you then aggravated a few more times without adding in 
> restorative movements.
>
> IME it's normal for the first day or two of PT to be very hard and make me 
> pretty sore, but if that persists, maybe try a different PT or at least ask 
> for something lighter and build up to whatever they have you doing now. Also, 
> I've found that working with and actual Doctor of Physical Thereapy is a LOT 
> LOT LOT better than someone with a fewer qualifications. And physical 
> therapists focusing on sports injuries may be better than the ones that focus 
> mainly on recovery from surgery or others (although a good doc should be able 
> to do both).
>
> Any way, here's to minimal pain for all of us in the future,
> Paul "life is pain" in AR
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:25:32 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> In mid May I had a mishap, my leg lost it’s stability for a moment while on 
>> line for a light to change. Some knee pain. Waited 2 dats and rode with a 
>> knee support, all was ok but knee pain persisted. Rode the next day and my 
>> knee blew up. Within a day I started having pain that I thought was 
>> sciatica. A bit of pain in my butt but that has been with me for years after 
>> my second back surgery. New was a burning pain going down mostly the outside 
>> of my thigh and also my calf. Went to knee doc, PA gave me a cortisone 
>> injection to bring down the swelling in my knee. No help. Went back 3 weeks 
>> later and the doc gave me a medro pak. Took for a week, not real difference. 
>> A week later (which means it was not from the steroid) the burning stopped 
>> and I felt ok. On July 3 I rode around the block, all was ok. On July 4 I 
>> went for a short 8 mile ride, got home and pain in thigh and calf got very 
>> bad but no burning. Have used ice and heat and both offered temporary help. 
>> I had an upcoming visit with my pain doc as I was preparing for a RFA 
>> (Coolief) treatment in that knee. He thought (and I had researched before) 
>> that the thigh pain could be from the IT Band. He was not confident on the 
>> cause of the calf pain, knee, back?
>>
>> Before my Coolief treatment on Friday I went to MA general with a new MRI of 
>> my lumbar area. I have known there is a screw that seems to be abutting a 
>> nerve and needs to come out.
>> I started physical therapy on Wednesday and the guy killed me but if it 
>> would help……. I am doing stretches and hoping the Coolief treatment will 
>> address the calf pain as I do not want another knee replacement as the first 
>> one I had never seemed to do very well. Better yes but I still have pain and 
>> limits.
>>
>> Itching to ride again……
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

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Thanks Max. Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original Saluki 
if it is green and has centerpulls. That bike was just too big for me. Bike is 
worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe more.

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> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and comments:
>
> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
>>>
> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If you 
> are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very 
> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on my 
> old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years, I 
> swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after stopped 
> riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is located in 
> Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a lot of Nitto, 
> Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the bike to be in the 
> 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern era 650b bikes.
> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about 
> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price is. 
> I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any 
> suggestions on what I should ask.
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture, price 
>> and location.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/
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Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

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I ride my brooks level, I use a high quality level to ensure this, I never 
slide. Nose up gets me numb. Many brooks riders ride nose up. I cannot. If 
numbness persists I have read recommendations to put the nose down a bit.

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> So I installed the B67 this morning and experimented a little. I was pretty 
> precise about positioning the same as the SQ. I started with the saddle dead 
> level. Very short ride had me sliding off the saddle - forward. But it felt 
> ok just slippery. So I figured perhaps that is why I see so many Brooks with 
> nose up. So I cranked it up. Felt amazing! But after just a mile I got off & 
> sensed a tiny bit of pressure where none of us want it. So I dropped it a 
> little. The sky’s cleared & I ride that way for over an hour. Pretty good. No 
> sliding, no pressure. Cautiously optimistic.
> So I have a question; what is this weird science at play that is so counter 
> intuitive? Nose up says crotch pressure to me. How does this work?
> And yes, the B67 squeaks a bit. And yes, it’s a boat anchor. Neither of which 
> concerns me too much.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:19 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less. I never noticed 
>> anything from the springs. I used a B68 (no springs) for years, sold them 
>> all stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me. I got a bit of chafing 
>> from the B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it and tied with 
>> shoe laces. Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.
>>
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>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
>>> measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the 
>>> right saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your 
>>> posture on the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would 
>>> add 30-40mm, so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be 
>>> wide enough to perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short 
>>> while and liked it a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in 
>>> however & in any event the springs made it impractical to use my 
>>> bikepacking seatbag - not enough clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is 
>>> not a problem on the Clem being a 650b bike. And I got a super price on 
>>> this B67 so thought I’d give it another shot.
>>> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike 
>>> as a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
>>> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would 
>>> be 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles 
>>> is the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention 
>>> a similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
>>> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
>>>> at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright. There are some easy ways to 
>>>> measure your sitbone width.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal 
>>>>> Lookin Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the 
>>>>> relaxed version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so 
>>>>> there's no comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel 
>>>>> stuff has to be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, 
>>>>> supportive yet never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's 
>>>>> goldilocks, m just right, for ever and ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
>>>>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
>>>>>> this becaus

Re: [RBW] Re: going down the Brooks rabbit hole...

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I’m 140#s, rode. B67 when I was about 150, maybe a bit less. I never noticed 
anything from the springs. I used a B68 (no springs) for years, sold them all 
stupidly but the 17 seems to work well for me. I got a bit of chafing from the 
B68 flare but should have put a couple of holes in it and tied with shoe laces. 
Sounds like the 67 should work great for you.

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> Using the SQ “fit kit” (piece of corrugated cardboard!) I get a consistent 
> measurement of 110mm. The second part of the SQ method for choosing the right 
> saddle is to add between 10-50 mm to this measurement base on your posture on 
> the bike. Based on my slightly forward leaning position I would add 30-40mm, 
> so my saddle is 140mm wide. I realize that the B17 should be wide enough to 
> perhaps solve my problem. However, I had a B67 for a short while and liked it 
> a lot on my previous bike. I never got it dialed in however & in any event 
> the springs made it impractical to use my bikepacking seatbag - not enough 
> clearance on that 29+ Jones bike. That is not a problem on the Clem being a 
> 650b bike. And I got a super price on this B67 so thought I’d give it another 
> shot.
> Interestingly I contacted SQ about my situation. They referred to my bike as 
> a “Dutch” bike! Their suggestion was their 621 model, which very much 
> resembles the shape of the B67, albeit with substantial padding. It would be 
> 180 wide. One of the things I really like about the “Active” SQ saddles is 
> the very subtle rocking motion while pedaling. Rivendell / Grant mention a 
> similarity subtle rocking motion from the springs on the B67. I hope my 
> 170lbs. is enough to feel that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 10:23 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>
>> How wide is the SQ saddle? I have very narrow sitbones and can ride a B17 
>> at 50-60 degrees so not totally upright. There are some easy ways to measure 
>> your sitbone width.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> If that doesn't work out and you feel adventurous, try a Selle Royal Lookin 
>>> Womens saddle, the Moderate is 198mm wide, if not there is the relaxed 
>>> version about 228mm. These have a sweet spot everywhere, so there's no 
>>> comparing them with Brooks or many other types. Their foam/gel stuff has to 
>>> be experienced to be believed . it's very dense, giving, supportive yet 
>>> never hard and certainly impossible to bottom out on, it's goldilocks, 
>>> m just right, for ever and ever.
>>>
>>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-moderate
>>> https://www.selleroyal.com/en/look-relaxed
>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Since getting my Clem in January I've logged nearly 600 miles. I mention 
 this because of all the bikes I have owned I have never looked forward to 
 each ride the way I do with this one. The bike however has revealed a 
 chink in the armor of my much liked SQ labs saddle. It just is not wide 
 enough to support my sit bones in my very upright position. It is great up 
 to a little over 2 hours but starts to reveal itself after that. So, I 
 took advantage of the opportunity to pick up a very gently used B67 too 
 close to home to turn down. Here's hoping this saddle will provide the 
 support my current one lacks without raising any ugly issues with unwanted 
 pressures the SQ was so good at eliminating.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

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Jason, thank you. I have a feeling this will move into #1 position.

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 1:45 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Excellent to hear it's working out as you'd hoped! Looking forward to more 
> photos and ride reports as spring and summer approach.
>
> On Saturday, 19 March 2022 at 12:44:31 UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rich. I wasn’t sure if the bags would work when I got the frame but I 
>> like it now. The size is great, it would work for you too.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:27:18 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Looks good Joel. Congratulations on getting the right sized Saluki the 
>>> second time around. Nice front and rear bag combo too.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> (Saluki and Suntour fan)
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible.

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 On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:

> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
> first ride.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think 
>> that many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. 
>> Bleriots rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that 
>> was too large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have 
>> gotten any Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them 
>> easier to open up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is 
>> still with the second owner. [6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
>>> cannot imagine letting it go.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>>>
>>> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go 
>>> up for sale because they are spectacular bikes.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to 
 sell it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair.

 Joel

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 wrote:

> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, 
> if not the favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably 
>> could have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember 
>> how my too big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. 
>> Outfitted with everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I 
>> was quite surprised by the ride as if memory serves it felt 
>> different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more surefooted than the 
>> Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference is that when 
>> I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the seatpost 
>> from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why 
>> it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always 
>> felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers 
>> all winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be 
>> known. I am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in 
>> every way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

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Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible.

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On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:

> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
> first ride.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think that 
>> many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. Bleriots 
>> rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that was too 
>> large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have gotten any 
>> Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them easier to open 
>> up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is still with the 
>> second owner. [6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
>>> cannot imagine letting it go.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>>>
>>> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go up 
>>> for sale because they are spectacular bikes.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to sell 
 it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair.

 Joel

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> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
> not the favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could 
>> have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my 
>> too big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted 
>> with everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite 
>> surprised by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the 
>> Bleriot. Very stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in 
>> handling. The one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which 
>> was always attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a 
>> bit more). I always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for 
>> me.I really have no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning 
>> the Hillborne which always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I 
>> will ride that after awhile on this one and see. After riding the 
>> Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were not used are 
>> letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought this frame, 
>> just lovely in every way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

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Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to sell it I 
wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair.

Joel

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> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if not 
> the favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was perfect, I 
>> had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have worn 
>> shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 56cm 
>> rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with everything 
>> from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by the ride as 
>> if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more 
>> surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference 
>> is that when I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the 
>> seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why it felt 
>> so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always felt more sure 
>> footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after awhile on this one and 
>> see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were 
>> not used are letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought 
>> this frame, just lovely in every way.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki, first ride

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Johnny, it is working great. At first I was a bit concerned because the steerer 
tube was cut shorter than my other bikes but no problem, bars are high enough 
for sure. You did me right, thank you.

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:44 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> I'm super pumped to see this working out for you!! Great build!
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great News. Nice photo😀
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 1:25 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was perfect, I 
>>> had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have worn 
>>> shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 56cm 
>>> rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with everything 
>>> from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by the ride 
>>> as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more 
>>> surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference 
>>> is that when I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the 
>>> seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why it felt 
>>> so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always felt more sure 
>>> footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after awhile on this one and 
>>> see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were 
>>> not used are letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought 
>>> this frame, just lovely in every way.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

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Thanks John.

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:02 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> Sweet looking ride you got there. Congratulations.
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:25:31 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was perfect, I 
>> had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have worn 
>> shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 56cm 
>> rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with everything 
>> from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by the ride as 
>> if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more 
>> surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference 
>> is that when I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the 
>> seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why it felt 
>> so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always felt more sure 
>> footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after awhile on this one and 
>> see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were 
>> not used are letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought 
>> this frame, just lovely in every way.
>
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Re: [RBW] Anxiously awaiting a warm up

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Thank you Roberta, enjoy pot Friday ride. I remember when I would ride as long 
as the road was dry. My body now says no.

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> I’ve been commuting until it’s below 30ish degrees. Sort rides though.
>
> In Philadlelphia, I found a local group going on a Full Moon ride Friday 
> night, and it should be a perfect night. The rest of the weekend : “French 
> kiss.”
>
> I know it’s a bit warmer here but hopefully you’ll get out, too. Lovely 
> Saluki.
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:09:16 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks you J. I hope so too. Tomorrow will be rainy so fingers are crossed.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:44:44 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hope you get a ride in.
>>> We had Monday and Tuesday to ride. Monday took wife s car in for new 
>>> alternator. Tuesday I had a dentist appointment. Today a storm is Brewing. 
>>> Predicting 8-10" over night. Next week looks good.
>>> Nice looking machine you have there.
>>> Have a good ride.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:21 AM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 [D3F3449F-4214-4148-9961-4E8F82F95303.jpeg]Friday might be the day. Hard 
 for me to ride in cooler weather in the past years where I used to ride 
 thru December and beyond. Friday may hit a warm spot so I brought my not 
 yet ridden Saluki up from the basement, perched in the sunroom now. All 
 lights and computer either charged or getting charged. Wish me luck, Joel
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

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The Saluki was the first 650b Rivendell production bike. I liked the light 
green I had originally better, but this pewter, more lt. taupe) is fine. I have 
all the parts except the brakes on it that I had on my first Saluki, they went 
on the Bleriot and are now on a Saluki again. As soon as we warm up enough I 
will have it on the road.

Joel

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> Hi Joel,
>
> Thanks for your note and for the pics. I’d love it if you contacted Charlie 
> on my behalf. It would be interesting to get more of the bike’s story. I 
> believe the Yale student had a range of prices listed at various times, all 
> the up to $2,500. We came to a fair agreement and everyone walked away 
> pleased :)
>
> Your Saluki is fantastic. Something about Salukis does it for me — the name 
> of the basal breed and the head badge, the colors (I’ve seen them in 
> “Hunqapillar green", silver, orange, yellow, and red), the cantis, the 
> proportions. I would love to find one in a 59 or 60. If you ever hear of one 
> for sale, please let me know!
>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:28 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> J J, the original owner had this frame that he never built up, a built up 
>> Yves Gomez and some other bikes. He lives in a well to do town. He was 
>> asking, if memory serves $2000 or so for the frame but sold it for $1600 (I 
>> would have bought it for that). The Yale guy tried to sell it for over $2k 
>> originally, no need for me to know what you paid, that is personal. I was 
>> invited to see the bike but was concerned it would be too small and COVID 
>> was raging at that time. As it turned out I think the size would have been 
>> fine. His Yves Gomez was a 55cm and when I called Rivendell Will thought it 
>> would too big. In the old days I rode a 56cm custom, a 55cm Bleriot among 
>> others. Today with the new sizing I rode a 51cm Sam Hillborne and my new to 
>> me Saluki.
>> The Bleriot was a tad large, not bad but a little and I rode it for quite a 
>> while. I sold it about 2 months ago on the forum as I found a 54cm Saluki. I 
>> had a 56cm Saluki when they came out but the TT was just to long for me even 
>> with a short stem. I will attach a photo of my old and new for you.
>>
>> So that is what I know. I can contact Charlie (the original owner) if you 
>> want to ask him questions to see if it is ok with him.
>>
>> Joel
>>
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>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your kind words, Joel. Yes! The seller mentioned he is a student 
>>> at Yale. You've clearly looked into this. Do you know the story of the 
>>> original owner? It's really just a curiosity, thinking about how many hands 
>>> and places it passed through from the time it was built to the time it was 
>>> first ridden. The seller told me he got it a while back from a man who had 
>>> several frames that he had not built up or something like that.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 1:43:17 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>>> JJ, lovely build. I was interested in that frame but the price had me shy 
>>>> away. The original owner lives about 20 minutes from me. My recollection 
>>>> is that he sold it to a student at Yale. I should have negotiated, 
>>>> beautiful bike. If you decide to part with it please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> I hope your significant other gets great use from it.
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:08 PM, J J  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the tip, David. Let's see if it works here. Thanks for posting 
>>>>> the pic of your wife's beautiful bike again, mgstf5144. You should know 
>>>>> that your pic was part of the inspiration for buying the Wilbury.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel, it's definitely that same bike, though it's not clear whether it 
>>>>> was flipped. The fellow did drive the bike in from CT to East Village. He 
>>>>> was really as nice as can be, and the negotiation was amicable and fair. 
>>>>> He showed me pics of his other Rivendells that he built up himself, 
>>>>> including a really special and beautiful Atlantis.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd had my eyes on the Wilbury for more than a year, I think. It was 
>>>>> relisted every couple of months. The reticence about buying i

Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ben, someone else has taken the lead on this.

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:25 PM,  wrote:

> Ben, I think I have some 105 downtube shifters you can have for shipping. I 
> can look tonight.
>
> Liz in Sacramento
>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 13:21, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
>>  I was looking to do an order for some DT shifters, lights, bar tape, and a 
>> front rack. Shipping was $80. While still kind of a good deal for air 
>> freight from Japan, it's still much more that we Americans are used to 
>> paying. I took out the front rack and the shipping went down to $40.
>>
>> So, I'd be down to do a group order, especially for SoCal friends. Also, I'm 
>> interested in your front racks and down tube shifters that you may have for 
>> sale ;)
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On 2/15/2022 6:46 AM, exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> I've put in an order recently and have been amazed at how relatively quick 
>>> and affordable it was. DHS is silly quick too. I think the key is getting 
>>> odds & ends(exclusive grips, bar tape, that amazing x-pac zip up wallet, 
>>> etc.) to make it worth while.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excuse the iPad auto correct.
>>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:09 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on the 
>>>>> shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense. Logistics ok for 
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of 
>>>>>> small things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself 
>>>>>> adding more to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost 
>>>>>> I would be interested in going in on a group order, but with two young 
>>>>>> kids and a ft job I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of 
>>>>>> organizing one...
>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to 
>>>>>>> me and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. 
>>>>>>>> They are real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the 
>>>>>>>> Koma lights stocked. 
>>>>>>>> https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more 
>>>>>>>>> for shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are 
>>>>>>>>> others in this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save 
>>>>>>>>> on shipping.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a 
>>>>>>>>> front light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on 
>>>>>>>>> flash mode. My Koma lights seem to last longer.
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:44 PM, Sofie C  wrote:

> Hi Joel, ok I'm looking at getting some odds and ends from blue lug, and 
> shipping is the same for me if I were to add your Koma light - it would be 
> $40. If you don't mind chipping in a little (not sure what's fair?) and you 
> don't mind the wait, I can add it to my order and ship it to you at for 
> whatever that costs (I'm in Massachusetts). Let me know - I'd like to place 
> my order this week!
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:10:09 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on the 
>> shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense. Logistics ok for me.
>>
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>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:
>>
>>> I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of small 
>>> things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself adding 
>>> more to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost I would 
>>> be interested in going in on a group order, but with two young kids and a 
>>> ft job I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of organizing one...
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to me 
 and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it

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> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They 
> are real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma 
> lights stocked. https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
> best
> Justin
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more 
>> for shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are 
>> others in this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on 
>> shipping.
>>
>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a 
>> front light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on 
>> flash mode. My Koma lights seem to last longer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

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JJ, lovely build. I was interested in that frame but the price had me shy away. 
The original owner lives about 20 minutes from me. My recollection is that he 
sold it to a student at Yale. I should have negotiated, beautiful bike. If you 
decide to part with it please let me know.

I hope your significant other gets great use from it.

Joel

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> Thanks for the tip, David. Let's see if it works here. Thanks for posting the 
> pic of your wife's beautiful bike again, mgstf5144. You should know that your 
> pic was part of the inspiration for buying the Wilbury.
>
> Joel, it's definitely that same bike, though it's not clear whether it was 
> flipped. The fellow did drive the bike in from CT to East Village. He was 
> really as nice as can be, and the negotiation was amicable and fair. He 
> showed me pics of his other Rivendells that he built up himself, including a 
> really special and beautiful Atlantis.
>
> I'd had my eyes on the Wilbury for more than a year, I think. It was relisted 
> every couple of months. The reticence about buying it was the size. My 
> partner is 5'1" and we were concerned about it being slightly too large for 
> her. We finally bought it on faith. I figured that if it did not work for 
> her, it would work for someone else. Once we had the frame in hand, I 
> contacted the lovely folks at Rivendell to ask for advice on sizing and the 
> build, and to buy components. We were eager to build it and ride. I can't 
> thank Will enough for his help with my many questions. He was incredibly 
> patient and generous with his time, and genuinely excited about this unusual 
> NOS frame. Will walked us through measuring things carefully: PBH of course, 
> seat tube length, saddle height of her previous bike, etc. He asked for 
> photos of her on the previous bike and about her riding style. He consulted 
> Grant about it, too. The advice was right on. In the end, we were confident 
> the size would be just right. And it was. We feel fortunate to have gotten it 
> and built it up.
>
> I mentioned that it appears to have been a custom paint job (Joe Bell?) 
> because I have never seen a Wilbury or Glorius frame in quite this light blue 
> color. Maybe others have, though. The soft color — and those lugs! — are part 
> of the bike's charm. I wonder if Rivendell still has a stash of the crazy 
> lugs. I believe Grant had said that once they ran out of the lugs, that would 
> be it and there would be no more custom Wilbury/Glorius builds.
>
> The next big question was who going to put the bike together. There are tons 
> of bike shops in DC proper, but we had to find a shop that we were totally 
> confident in, and that was experienced with and genuinely "got" Rivendell 
> mechanically, aesthetically, and philosophically (to the extent that there 
> even is a cohesive Rivendell philosophy), and that we connected with. I 
> was familiar with Mount Airy because I have perused its website many times, 
> dreaming of adding any number of bikes in their vast inventory to my stable. 
> But I had never been to the shop because it's a one-hour drive from DC and 
> traffic is usually gnarly getting out of the city. Larry said that he had 
> worked on Wilbury frames and many other Rivendells, and that we had found a 
> "true gem." Larry's shop is a veritable bicycle paradise as far as I'm 
> concerned. He, John, and Paul were so kind and helpful. I'll certainly be 
> frequenting the shop. I could not ask for better.
>
> The photos will show that the build is definitely Rivendellesque. We still 
> need to add a few things — bar tape, a bell, a mirror, maybe different grips. 
> But as it is, it's fantastic.
>
> .
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I wonder if this was the one sold new from a CT seller and then the new 
>> buyer tried to flip it. In any case enjoy your new bike.
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>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 1:43 PM, mgst...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh! i see i posted the same thing a year ago...it's STILL a great bike! 
>>> Hope you enjoy your new one.
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:32:50 PM UTC-5 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Here is my wife's Glorius, same era, custom color -
 It rides incredibly well - plush, but FAST
 She's had it since mid 2007
 On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi J, regarding attaching pictures, the key is to make the file size 
> isn't too large. Before attaching photos to my posts, I always resize 
> them to something below 1mb.
>
> Would love to see pictures of the bike when you are able to put them up.
>
> David
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:38:36 AM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I thought it would be fun to share 
>> the latest about this thread's mysterious subject.
>>
>> We bought

Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

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Excuse the iPad auto correct.

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> Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on the 
> shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense. Logistics ok for me.
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
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> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:
>
>> I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of small 
>> things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself adding 
>> more to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost I would be 
>> interested in going in on a group order, but with two young kids and a ft 
>> job I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of organizing one...
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to me 
>>> and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They 
>>>> are real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma 
>>>> lights stocked. https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
>>>> best
>>>> Justin
>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more for 
>>>>> shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are others in 
>>>>> this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a 
>>>>> front light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on 
>>>>> flash mode. My Koma lights seem to last longer.
>>>
>>>> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

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Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on the shipping 
for a larger order and if it then makes sense. Logistics ok for me.

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> I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of small 
> things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself adding more 
> to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost I would be 
> interested in going in on a group order, but with two young kids and a ft job 
> I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of organizing one...
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
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>> Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to me 
>> and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it
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>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin  wrote:
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>>> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They are 
>>> real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma lights 
>>> stocked. https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
>>> best
>>> Justin
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more for 
 shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are others in 
 this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.

 I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a front 
 light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode. 
 My Koma lights seem to last longer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

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Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to me and 
if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it

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> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They are 
> real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma lights 
> stocked. https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
> best
> Justin
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
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>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more for 
>> shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are others in 
>> this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.
>>
>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a front 
>> light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode. 
>> My Koma lights seem to last longer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

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I did the same last year when I was looking for a Choco bars and I sucked up 
the freight but I did add a couple of lights I just wish I would’ve added one 
more. Their service is impeccable.

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> it is unfortunate, i just ordered a few things from circles (basically 
> sim.works HQ), and it was $90 shipping, in the end it worked for me since 
> they had something i couldnt get anywhere else.
>
> as i understand it, international air shipping from JP is still restricted, 
> fingers crossed it opens up again soon, its impresssive to get a package in 
> only a few days from JP, but i dont need it that fast!
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 4:48:10 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
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>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more for 
>> shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are others in 
>> this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.
>>
>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a front 
>> light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode. 
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Re: [RBW] If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

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Jon, I did. They are out of silver. I should call.
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> Have you tried Crust Bikes for those lights?
> Crustbikes.com
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> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 2:48 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more for 
>> shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are others in 
>> this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.
>>
>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a front 
>> light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

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I wonder if this was the one sold new from a CT seller and then the new buyer 
tried to flip it. In any case enjoy your new bike.
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> Oh! i see i posted the same thing a year ago...it's STILL a great bike! Hope 
> you enjoy your new one.
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:32:50 PM UTC-5 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here is my wife's Glorius, same era, custom color -
>> It rides incredibly well - plush, but FAST
>> She's had it since mid 2007
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi J, regarding attaching pictures, the key is to make the file size isn't 
>>> too large. Before attaching photos to my posts, I always resize them to 
>>> something below 1mb.
>>>
>>> Would love to see pictures of the bike when you are able to put them up.
>>>
>>> David
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:38:36 AM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I thought it would be fun to share the 
 latest about this thread's mysterious subject.

 We bought the frameset in NYC a few months ago from a super nice fellow 
 and brought it to DC.

 It was surreal to behold the light blue frame, as if it had just left the 
 Toyo workshop in 2008. The paint seems to be custom, but who knows?

 I contacted Rivendell for size and component advice. Will was so generous 
 with his time.

 I asked Will to recommend a shop in the greater DC area to build it. An 
 MD-based customer told him to steer us toward Mount Airy Bicycle Company, 
 owned by Larry, a "legend" in the community.

 After talking to Larry, it was a no-brainer. Mount Airy's vast collection 
 of bikes and parts was mind-blowing. They did a superlative job on the 
 build.

 If you ride around DC or NYC, you might run into us — a big green 
 Hunqapillar and this fabulous Wilbury, whose saga continues.

 Not sure how to share pics here. When I try I get a note saying my message 
 is too long.

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Re: [RBW] New to me Saluki is in

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Thanks Rich. Now I have the bikes I want that fit me. Too bad we have iced 
roads today,

Joel

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On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 1:00 PM, RichS  wrote:

> Congratulations Joel. That's such a beautiful frame and color. I remember 
> when Johnny posted it after he acquired it.
> Nice to see it in the possession of another enthusiastic Riv rider. Enjoy 
> lots of good rides in 2022:-)))
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 11:37:47 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [D51C3EA4-FC57-49D7-B712-E8B116E73FE8.jpeg]
>>
>> Joe & Jeff, thanks so much. After selling my 56 as it was too big there were 
>> no more Salukis to be had, I bought a Bleriot and will put it up for sale 
>> soon, I cleaned the frame up today and took pics of any scratches. I have 
>> all of the parts minus the headset that I had on my first Saluki on this 
>> bike now. They went on the Bleriot and are back home, although the original 
>> used side pulls and this one has cantis. I’ve also changed from Albatross to 
>> Choco bars, all else remains the same.
>>
>> Dave, those are Baby Shoe Pass, so even though they say 42mm they are a tad 
>> under 40mm. I have a pair of Hetres as well, I used them for a couple of 
>> rides and may put them back on those rims when riding weather returns, they 
>> end up being about the same size as the BSP with a caliber.
>>
>> Thanks again guys.
>>
>> I’ll put a picture of my original Saluki above.
>> .
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:54:04 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> You're very welcome. Enjoy.
>>> The paint scheme is almost exactly the colours of my 2020 Mercian.
>>> What size tires does it take?
>>>
>>> David
>>>

>>>
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  wrote:
>>>
 Thank you David.

 On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:

> Beautiful bike and build Joel.
>
> David
>
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:12 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > front.jpg>Thanks to Johnny Alien I was able to get this frame
>
>> sorry for the poor photo quality but the basement lighting is poor. here 
>> is a quick look.
>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Autumn Is My Favorite Season

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Takashi, I’m very jealous. My wife has a close friend in Tokyo, they studied 
English together here in New England when her husband spent 3 years or so here 
for his company.

Best

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> Thank you Joel.
> It's Nagano in Japan.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2021

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Thanks Paul. I can’t do long rides like that anymore. I know those towns, looks 
like a nice ride.

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>> always a great weekend at the nor'easter. lotta nice bikes and the nice 
>> folks who ride 'em. there were several routes this year; the big boy went a 
>> little something like this:
>
> 
>
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Re: UPDATE! Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Homer?

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Hope there is a happy ending. Good for you.

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On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 4:13 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  wrote:

> I found the owner! He confirmed build details. We will now try to track down 
> the bike again.
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 12:38:43 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I believed you before, not a bike he acquired at a bike shop.
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>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 2:35 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:
>>
>>> This guy looked to be about 5’9” and the frame must’ve been a 65 cm. He 
>>> rode it with 1 foot on the pedal and the other dragging on the ground to 
>>> slow him down. There was a can of Coca-Cola rattling around in an expensive 
>>> titanium water bottle cage. bars were adjusted in a way that could not have 
>>> been comfortable for anyone.
>>>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard
>>>
>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>
 On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:08 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
>>>
 Not the kind of bike you just buy without knowing about it. As far as 
 fit, Grant always used to say ride the biggest frame you can ;) 😉

 On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 5:47:54 PM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF 
 wrote:

> First off... sorry to assume anything, but my spidey sense went off 
> seeing this.
>
> I met a man riding a BIG Homer today. He couldn't straddle the bike and 
> didn't know anything about Rivendell or the fancy wheelset on the bike. 
> He didn't mind my asking about the bike so my guess is it was stolen and 
> changed hands a bit before he wound up with it.
>
> I checked bike index and there is one blue Homer that is listed stolen in 
> SF. I reached out through BI, but haven't heard back.
>
> Anyone missing a big HH??
>
> Brendan in SF

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Re: [RBW] Double Riv at Atlanta Kroger

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Patrick, I know where 3 of mine are, a Road and my Custom. My AR went to an 
iBob in upstate NY. The rest, well it was a long time ago, I did sell the twine 
to my Bleriot on eBay in about 30 minutes, the rest are someplace. I think if I 
had ordered the Saluki in 54, no 56 it would still be with me, the 55 Bleriot 
was a replacement because it was smaller.

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On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:45 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks. Even though I did sell (or trade, rather) the bike, it was a
> pretty one indeed. Frame is 58 cm c-c.
>
> Yes 26" or 559 bead seat diameter wheels, with 26 X 1.35" Kojaks. The
> stays were about 45 cm long, certainly long for a road bike, which
> this was. Very nice handling.
>
> Long ago, someone saw an earlier 26" wheel Riv road custom, and
> comparing wheel diameter with seat and especially head tube length,
> said, "Wow, that's a big frame."
>
> I traded it to Tom Palmer for the Monocog and I think Tom sold it on.
> Who has it now? I'll be curious about his or her reaction to it.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:03 AM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch
>  wrote:
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>> Patrick, very nice. I am assuming these are 26” wheels, I know you used to 
>> and still might favor them. On a large frame it makes it look like today’s 
>> long chain stays.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Homer?

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I believed you before, not a bike he acquired at a bike shop.

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On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 2:35 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:

> This guy looked to be about 5’9” and the frame must’ve been a 65 cm. He rode 
> it with 1 foot on the pedal and the other dragging on the ground to slow him 
> down. There was a can of Coca-Cola rattling around in an expensive titanium 
> water bottle cage. bars were adjusted in a way that could not have been 
> comfortable for anyone.
>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Brendan Willard
>
> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>
>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:08 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>
>> Not the kind of bike you just buy without knowing about it. As far as fit, 
>> Grant always used to say ride the biggest frame you can ;) 😉
>>
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 5:47:54 PM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:
>>
>>> First off... sorry to assume anything, but my spidey sense went off seeing 
>>> this.
>>>
>>> I met a man riding a BIG Homer today. He couldn't straddle the bike and 
>>> didn't know anything about Rivendell or the fancy wheelset on the bike. He 
>>> didn't mind my asking about the bike so my guess is it was stolen and 
>>> changed hands a bit before he wound up with it.
>>>
>>> I checked bike index and there is one blue Homer that is listed stolen in 
>>> SF. I reached out through BI, but haven't heard back.
>>>
>>> Anyone missing a big HH??
>>>
>>> Brendan in SF
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

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I do wish I had not sold my AR, had fitted it with fatter tires but I just had 
no clue then. At least it went to an iBOB list member some years ago.

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On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 12:23 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Interesting question to think about (though I agree it's unlikely to happen.)
>
> I have an All Rounder from just prior to when the larger sizes got 700c 
> wheels and then morphed into the Atlantis as a production model. On one hand, 
> it remains my favorite and most-used "road" bike but, on the other hand, I'd 
> definitely change a few things if I could:
>
> I'd choose slightly longer chainstays and slacker headtube to make it less 
> 'twitchy" at slow speeds. Is that the same thing other people describe as 
> "nimble?"
>
> I'd prefer a little more top tube slope and/or head tube extension, raise the 
> bars without an awkward amount of stem extension, even if it made it a little 
> less "classic" looking.
>
> I'd like a slightly longer top tube, so that I wasn't as likely to endo over 
> the bars on steep, rougher rides. [Interestingly,, there were two top tube 
> length options at the time. Mine is the "standard," but there was a "short" 
> option, too. Like many of the early production models, I think the idea was 
> to encourage - or allow - a more upright riding posture without messing up 
> the handling by removing too much weight from the front wheel. I suspect the 
> Atlantis just went 'short-only' which, combined with larger wheels, is what 
> made it notorious for TCO. The newer, longer-chainstay models fix all of this 
> by re-distributing some weight to the front, even if you have a long top tube 
> and more upright (less racy) riding posture or bars.]
>
> In the end, I think I'd basically end up with a modern rivendell, with the 
> EXCEPTION of keeping the 26" wheels, which I absolutely love despite the 
> unusual proportions. (I can fit 2.4 just barely.) Knowing what I know now, I 
> wouldn't hesitate to get a custom Riv with 26' wheels, fancy details, and a 
> healthy dose of Grant's evolved design ideas. I might even have it painted 
> seafoam green (the Gus prototype that Deacon Patrick got is a little less 
> "loud" than the atlantis, and I love it.)
> On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think Joe & Joel have some good points, I can't see Grant doing a full run 
>> of bikes based on one of his old designs. Especially the Atlantis, given 
>> that it evolved from the XO-1 (I read Grant said this somewhere, old 
>> interview or Reader) and he has been refining it for almost 30 years.
>>
>> I agree with the LHT:Atlantis/Appaloosa comparisons above. If you take an 
>> LHT and paint it Atlantis blue-green the only thing the bikes would have in 
>> common is the paint and two wheels. I'm a current owner/rider of both bikes.
>> On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 10:02:52 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> I get the feeling that Grant will not build bikes with his older philosophy 
>>> of the shorter chain stays. If you read the information on the new customs 
>>> it says longer chainstays…. Maybe he could be convinced on a custom. I 
>>> bought the Hillborne to have shorter chainstays.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
 Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
 thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
 original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
 size.
 I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
 of these aspects from those first runs:

 - The color (of course)
 - Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
 - 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool with 26' 
 in all sizes)
 - 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
 bigger in the large sizes)
 - Clearance for 2in tires with fenders

 Who else would sign up for one?
 What other aspects would you like?

 Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,

 Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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I think this is just about the bike shortage.

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On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:43 PM, David Lipsky  wrote:

> When I clicked on Matt’s link in the list, It showed up as a 51 in the CL 
> description and $2500. It has 650b wheels and tires so that is correct.
> I asked him if he got $2800 for the 48, he replied: “Yes.”
>
> The 51 was a VERY nicely equipped, little used bike.
> BUT — We are living in inflationary times!!
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Ok lemme get this straight. The 54 at 2400 became a 51 at 2500 then 2800 
>> then it sold and then there was a 48 at 2800 and it also sold. In the last 
>> three hours 😐
>>
>> On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> He has now reported that the 48cm is sold!
>>>
>>> David
>>>

>>>
 On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:58 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
>>>
 When I tried to arrange coming to WC to see it, he replied that it had 
 sold. I did not ask for how much….

 He’s now listed his wife’s very similar 48cm Sam, also at 
 $2800https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7356173233.html
 Not as good a package as the 51: lesser rear rack, no pedals (unless you 
 count the single Speedplay that is inexplicably in the pictures) and no 
 fenders.

 On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 2:30:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Good luck! I have issues with the listing practices but the pricing is 
> definitely ballpark in this market. That's a nice bike.
>
> On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> Was it $2400, or $2500? This morning when I first saw the listing, I 
>> thought it was $2500.
>> Now I see that the listing changed two hours ago to $2800.
>>
>> BTW, it is a 51cm (not 54).
>>
>> I contacted him about seeing it. There is someone scheduled to come at 
>> 2:00.
>> If not sold, I can see it at 3:00.
>>
>> $2400 as it is shown seems fine; $2500 seemed OK; $2800 is a lot.
>>
>> David Lipsky
>>
>> BTW — Anyone want to trade a 51 Sam for my 51 Appaloosa? Or, my 55 AH 
>> Hilsen?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> That Hillborne went up $400 in a day. That, combined with the used care 
>>> salesman content at the end of the listing, may be just the ticket to 
>>> big money! 👍
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 7:51:53 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Hunquapillar
 63cm
 $1300
 Corvalis, OR
 https://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/d/philomath-rivendell-hunqapillar-lugged/7355805549.html

 A. Homer Hilsen
 58cm
 $2700
 Portland, OR
 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-homer-hilson/7354749888.html

 Sam Hillborne
 54cm
 $2400
 Walnut Creek, CA
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-hillborne/7355859903.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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There’s a sucker in every crowd.

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On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:16 PM, David Lipsky  wrote:

> He has now reported that the 48cm is sold!
>
> David
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:58 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> When I tried to arrange coming to WC to see it, he replied that it had sold. 
>> I did not ask for how much….
>>
>> He’s now listed his wife’s very similar 48cm Sam, also at 
>> $2800https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7356173233.html
>> Not as good a package as the 51: lesser rear rack, no pedals (unless you 
>> count the single Speedplay that is inexplicably in the pictures) and no 
>> fenders.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 2:30:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck! I have issues with the listing practices but the pricing is 
>>> definitely ballpark in this market. That's a nice bike.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>>
 Was it $2400, or $2500? This morning when I first saw the listing, I 
 thought it was $2500.
 Now I see that the listing changed two hours ago to $2800.

 BTW, it is a 51cm (not 54).

 I contacted him about seeing it. There is someone scheduled to come at 
 2:00.
 If not sold, I can see it at 3:00.

 $2400 as it is shown seems fine; $2500 seemed OK; $2800 is a lot.

 David Lipsky

 BTW — Anyone want to trade a 51 Sam for my 51 Appaloosa? Or, my 55 AH 
 Hilsen?

>

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> That Hillborne went up $400 in a day. That, combined with the used care 
> salesman content at the end of the listing, may be just the ticket to big 
> money! 👍
>
> On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 7:51:53 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hunquapillar
>> 63cm
>> $1300
>> Corvalis, OR
>> https://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/d/philomath-rivendell-hunqapillar-lugged/7355805549.html
>>
>> A. Homer Hilsen
>> 58cm
>> $2700
>> Portland, OR
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-homer-hilson/7354749888.html
>>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> 54cm
>> $2400
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-hillborne/7355859903.html

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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I was wrong about that Yves, the owner resisted it. Too bad it is too big for 
me, the effective TT more than anything else.

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> Atlantis size 56 650b
> $2,500
> Seattle, WA
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivedell-atlantis/7353547780.html
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:55:31 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> The Yves is no longer for sale, the owner is undecided as to it’s fate.
>>
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>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:07 AM, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yves Gomez (Betty Foy)
>>> 55cm
>>> $1975
>>> Suffield, CT
>>> https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/d/suffield-rivendell-mixte-yves-gomez/7353643236.html
>>>
>>> Romulus F/F/Hs/brakes
>>> 63cm
>>> $600
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-63-cm-rivendell-romulus/7351906116.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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Yup, I don’t like that sticker either.

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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:35 PM, Scott Calhoun  wrote:

> After inspection, the first thing I'll do is take off that sticker;)
>
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:43:16 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, seeing that PRO'S CLOSET CERTIFIED PRE-OWNED sticker is making my brain 
>> swell.
>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:41:37 AM UTC-4 John M wrote:
>>
 Nice looking (and big!) Riv custom at the Pro's Closet:
>>>
>>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-roadeo-xl
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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The Yves is no longer for sale, the owner is undecided as to it’s fate.

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> Yves Gomez (Betty Foy)
> 55cm
> $1975
> Suffield, CT
> https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/d/suffield-rivendell-mixte-yves-gomez/7353643236.html
>
> Romulus F/F/Hs/brakes
> 63cm
> $600
> San Francisco, CA
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-63-cm-rivendell-romulus/7351906116.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

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Damien, I switched from Albatross to Choco bars on my Sam and am very happy 
with them. I do not get the same rise as on the Albatross and have more hand 
positions. I tried an Appaloosa before buying the Sam, did bring an Atlantis in 
(basically the same bike) and found I was not a long chainstay rider. I 
personally would vote for the Sam which for now is the only show on town for 
you.

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On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM, Damien  wrote:

> Just an update here. I decided to stick with the Hillborne since I had so 
> many great rides on it the past few weeks and knew I would regret selling 
> it.
> ..nd someone else nabbed the Appaloosa - looks like the decision was 
> made for me!
>
> I may consider going back to upright bars at some point in the distant 
> future, but may try some that aren't Albatross. I would consider a Wavie or 
> Bullmoose since they don't seem to sweep back as much and the angle seems 
> nicer. I also have some SimWorks Fun 3 bars collecting dust in the parts bin 
> that might end up on there one day, but for now, the drops will be just fine!
> On Sunday, 4 July 2021 at 11:39:15 UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Excellent to know about the long pull levers! Thanks! Gets me kind of 
>> thinking about building up a full drop bar cockpit for my Atlantis to see 
>> how I like it...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 8:36:18 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Ben - regarding V-brakes and drop bars, there are a couple long-pull levers 
>>> out there, and the best of them is made by Cane Creek. So, don't fret about 
>>> drops and v-brakes, it's doable!
>>>
>>> Regarding Sam vs. Joe... I think it comes down to a couple things:
>>> - Are you planning to run fenders? If not, both bikes can fit a decent size 
>>> tire, even the caliper Sams. If so, that'll reduce the Sam's offroad 
>>> capabilities somewhat
>>> - Are you a heavier or lighter rider? If you're sub-200lbs I wouldn't 
>>> concern yourself with which will carry a payload better, as they'll both 
>>> carry a lot.
>>> - What percentage of off-pavement riding will you do? I would stick with 
>>> the Sam if you're above 70% pavement, but no doubt the Joe will start to 
>>> make sense as that number drops
>>>
>>> They'd be such complimentary bikes as Erik has illustrated, but if that's 
>>> not feasible for cost or space reasons, it's a funny thing: it's a heck of 
>>> a difficult decision, but at the same time, you can't go wrong with either.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 08:31:00 UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm feeling this post today! I have an Atlantis and love it and have no 
 plans of ever getting rid of it. I do, however, have the itch for 
 something a little more sprightly and nimble with drop bars. I strongly 
 desire a Homer, but I think I'm a v-brake guy for life now and would 
 prefer a Sam (though would need mini-V brakes if I understand how 
 traditional road drop bar brake levers work). Love hearing everyone's 
 feedback on this as I was thinking about posting something similar.

 TL:DR - I have nothing to add to this other than I feel the pain of 
 wanting two Rivs for two different styles of riding...but know in my heart 
 I'd be fully content just having what I've got.

 Ben "no help" in Omaha.

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>> I ride a Hillborne ans a Bleriot, I am not a fan of the longer chain 
>> stays. I started using albatross bars when they were introduced on mt 
>> custom and AR. I set up my Saluki and then my Bleriot with them. When I 
>> started riding again last year (layoff due to back issues) I Foy find 
>> the Bleriot a bit squirrelly. It took a bit to figure out how to ride 
>> with this bike and albatross again. I switched the Hillborne and Bleriot 
>> to Choco bars this year and I like them better. I do not ride upright, I 
>> will gave my hands over the brakes and as far up as what might be equal 
>> to the flats of drops. I have handy different positions with these (now 
>> my favorite bars). I think using drops or albatross is more about your 
>> riding style than the bike. Just my opinion.
>>
>> As far as swapping the Hillborne for an Appaloosa, I looked at both and 
>> actually brought an Atlantis in, it was sold within a month and then I 
>> got the Hillborne and I have never looked back. The Appaloosa is very 
>> similar to the Atlantis.
>>
>> Enjoy your Sam Hillborne.
>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 11:40:12 PM UTC-4 JP wrote:
>>
>>> 89. pbh 185lb 46ish
>>>
>>> I have a 10 year old or so 60cm sam with albatross and a high high 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Enjoy that big beautiful bike.

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 4:30 PM, Paul Richardson  wrote:

> With all of the recent Rambouillet love, now seems as good a time as any to 
> share this new-to-me 68cm beauty. Purchased and partially outfitted, 
> naturally, with the cooperation of the wonderful folks on this messageboard. 
> I still can't quite keep up with the roadies, but riding drops for the first 
> time in 15 years really is a delight. "Always willing, ever able."
>
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> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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I had one and stupidly sold it, but it went to an iBob list member some years 
ago. Nice bike but on the large side for me.

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On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 6:41 PM, Jingy  wrote:

> They are talking about the $800 Riv in Ohio.
> That bike is the same blue as my 96 all-rounder, so it's probably 96/97 
> vintage
>
> Jim in Mpls
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:16:01 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about the Atlantis?
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:36:18 PM UTC-4 Ray wrote:
>>
>>> That's a dream bike for me. In my size too, but way to far a drive.
>>>
>>> Somebody is getting a hell of a deal for sure.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 4:31:26 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Oh yeah. It does say "Rivendell" and not Bleriot. I didn't even look close 
 I just saw the color and assumed.

 On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All Rounder. Which probably did cost him $2400 in the late '90s and 
> should be going for that now. His price is WAY too low.
>
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 2:22:01 PM UTC-7 Ray wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that's a Bleriot? It looks like it has cantilever brakes 
>> (hard to tell from the picture of course) and the ad says its on 26' 
>> wheels. Could easily be mistaking 650b for 26, but it might be a 
>> custom...
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Ooohh! That Atlantis is sweet. If I hadn't just bought a bike I would 
>>> try for that one. The "unknown" model is a Bleriot. Those are great 
>>> bikes. That's a stupid low price. If it was my size I would buy it even 
>>> though (as I just said) I just bought a bike.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 4:27:18 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 If anyone finds a 58 Appaloosa with the double top tubes, please let 
 me know...

 SimpleOne
 56cm
 $1250
 Boston, MA
 https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/newtonville-rivendell-simple-one/7344246421.html

 Model unknown
 58cm
 $800
 Findlay, OH
 https://limaohio.craigslist.org/bik/d/findlay-rivendell/7346994875.html

 Sam Hillborne
 58cm
 $2000
 https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bik/d/sumner-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7346810416.html

 Romulus
 59cm
 $2925
 Meridian, ID
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/124798594839

 A. Homer Hilsen
 Size not listed.
 $1995
 East Jordan, MI
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/320471656223570/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post

 Atlantis 2012
 53cm
 $2000
 Old Saybrook, CT
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/320886123015578/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have you ever considered trading in your Sam for an Appaloosa?

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On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 10:24 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> I ride a Hillborne ans a Bleriot, I am not a fan of the longer chain stays. I 
> started using albatross bars when they were introduced on mt custom and AR. I 
> set up my Saluki and then my Bleriot with them. When I started riding again 
> last year (layoff due to back issues) I Foy find the Bleriot a bit 
> squirrelly. It took a bit to figure out how to ride with this bike and 
> albatross again. I switched the Hillborne and Bleriot to Choco bars this year 
> and I like them better. I do not ride upright, I will gave my hands over the 
> brakes and as far up as what might be equal to the flats of drops. I have 
> handy different positions with these (now my favorite bars). I think using 
> drops or albatross is more about your riding style than the bike. Just my 
> opinion.
>
> As far as swapping the Hillborne for an Appaloosa, I looked at both and 
> actually brought an Atlantis in, it was sold within a month and then I got 
> the Hillborne and I have never looked back. The Appaloosa is very similar to 
> the Atlantis.
>
> Enjoy your Sam Hillborne.
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 11:40:12 PM UTC-4 JP wrote:
>
>> 89. pbh 185lb 46ish
>>
>> I have a 10 year old or so 60cm sam with albatross and a high high double in 
>> the front. I have recently lowered the front stem to get in a more roadish 
>> posture and it seems to balance the weight better front to back for me?
>>
>> I bought a 2021 appaloosa 57cm with tosco cliffhanger shikoro. Haven't 
>> received it yet. I bought the Joe based on loving the length of my brothers 
>> MIT 62cm atlantis - also i felt my dad's 63cm homer always felt nice even 
>> though it's supposed to be similar geometry to the sam.
>>
>> I am pretty sure would sell the sam but it doesn't seem like i'd get even 
>> 1250 or so and my people want me to keep it at that "market value."
>>
>> I am a casual rider and do not expect to carry camping gear nor to club 
>> ride. But i would like to cruise up mt diablo (i've never ridden up all the 
>> way) would a roadish bike make the goal easier? I don't know but don't 
>> expect so. Otherwise i am not certain what more bikes would add even though 
>> i would buy another if i could find a "reason."
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

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I’m liking the orange more and more. Mine’s a 51 I bet Mark’s is larger.

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> Mark and Joel, just trade bikes and you're both happy!
> Doug
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:09:13 PM UTC-4 Mark Allen wrote:
>
>> Ha! I bought my Sam there in the fall of 2019, last one he had, black 
>> although at the time I would have preferred orange. Chris was super helpful 
>> in shipping the frame to Canada.
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:26:06 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Sam there last summer, last one he had, orange although at the 
>>> time I would have preferred black. I did not want to wait for Rivs next 
>>> delivery and no guaranty I would get one. Great bike, fast shipping and 
>>> good deal.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:13:44 AM UTC-4 tsot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you to everyone for all of the kind words, and thank you for 
 watching!!!

 On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:20:02 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's where I bought my Rivendell too! Truly the best bike shop in 
> Indianapolis. He's incredibly knowledgeable, and I too watch his YouTube 
> channel.
> Christine
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-6 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is very timely for me since I just bought a 57 Appaloosa from Chris 
>> a few days ago (possibly the last one available anywhere.) I'm a long 
>> time Riv customer but this is my first Riv bike. Maybe we are seeing a 
>> cultural change in how people use bikes in this country? We can only 
>> hope I guess. I had no idea that Chris has a YouTube channel, I'm 
>> looking forward to seeing what other ideas he has to share.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
>>> informative. In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he 
>>> thinks he has the nicest comments section on youtube. He's big on 
>>> practical cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc. Puts out a couple of 
>>> videos a week, usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the 
>>> topic of the day. Great guy.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a YouTube 
 channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur. I'm a big fan of 
 his content and his message. He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts out 
 some great content on his YouTube channel. His latest video is titled 
 "The Rise of Rivendell?". It is worth a look, as are the rest of the 
 videos on his channel, IMHO.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

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I grew up in metro NY, we always asked what something costs, it was an ok thing 
to do. I moved to CT after grad school, then later to MA. That’s when I learned 
here it is considered rude to ask what something cost. But a little preface, 
‘do you mind if I ask’ goes a long way. Still, I don’t like to talk about cost 
of things with those that would not get it.

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> This is such an interesting topic from a sociological perspective.
>
> The idea that we don’t want to talk about costs with others has always 
> confused me. My wife says it’s because people make judgments about others, 
> but who cares?
>
> Ultimately, it’s a conversation about the application of subjective values. 
> Do Rivendells cost a lot? To me, with my income, yes. To others with theirs, 
> no. Do I think they’re a great bargain? Totally. Do I care if someone thinks 
> I spent too much? No. Unless I overpaid out of ignorance, but that’s really 
> my own fault.
>
> I wouldn’t want a comeback for someone having a different opinion of value 
> than me. It’s one of the great things about people. We value things 
> differently. Even people spending the same amount on a specialized carbon 
> bike would think were silly for spending that much on a heavy steel bike. And 
> what do we think of their purchase?
>
> Did you know some people don’t like Brussels sprouts? I can’t believe it 
> either.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:50:29 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Speaking of mid-life crisis car, I am going to need [one of 
>> these](https://www.amazon.com/CafePress-MidLife-Crisis-Sticker-Rectangle/dp/B00PRA1VE2?th=1)
>>  for my bike :)
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:21:23 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> I 100% agree with Joel Stern - better to simply not state how much it cost. 
>>> Cost, like many things, is relative. What is inexpensive for some is 
>>> extravagant for others. Keep the cost private.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 8:43:51 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Of the few people I have told about the cost of the bikes I have only a 
 couple get it, one is a bike guy. Most people will not get it. It’s the 
 same with guitars, cameras, etc. Best to not discuss with those that 
 really do not get it. For most $1,000 is an extravagant bike. Jewelry, 
 watches, best not to discuss.

 On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:12:57 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
> value than the bike).
>
> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and 
> that I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the 
> new one arrives.
>
> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone know what this is?

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I have a 55 Bleriot that I bought because the 56 Saluki was too large. Enjoy.

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> I did! I got it late yesterday so didn't get a chance to ride it but I am 
> super excited. I have been without a Rivendell for a few years. My first 
> Rivendell was a 53cm Bleriot so this should be very similar.
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> You got the 54cm, congrats.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 9:35:51 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I just picked up a Saluki and it has this odd thing attached to the frame. 
>>> I have no idea what it is? Some sort of device to hold the chain for some 
>>> reason? Anyone see anything like this before?
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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Wishful thinking on the price.

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> Wolbis Slugstone/Susie W. Longbolts
> 56cm
> $3500
> Emeryville, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-wolbis-slugstone/7339629866.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

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Jay, you’ve probably contacted velocity. Looks like they may have them in 
stock. Or try Peter White.

https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/quill-650b

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> Hi Joel S,
>
> I don't think Velocity will stop production of rim brake compatible rims. I 
> am concerned about quick availablity, quick defined as less than 6 weeks of 
> rim brake compatible rimes, particularly in the 650B size. I think the lack 
> of readily available rims is somewhat driven by the rise of the disc brake. 
> An informal survey of two local shops shows the majority of bikes for sale 
> had discs on them.
>
> I have been waiting since April for a 650B Velocity Quill rim. My internet 
> search shows more availability of disc brake compatible rims.
>
> Jay
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:00 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Do you really think Velocity will discontinue rim brake compatible rims?
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 4:49:39 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I recently sorted my unused rims, which had been thrown on hooks in various 
>>> part of the garage, and was somewhat shocked to find how many 650b rims I 
>>> had waiting to be built into wheels: four Velo-Orange Diagonale, two 
>>> Velocity A23, two A23 OC, two Synergy, two Grand Bois Papillon. Plus about 
>>> the same number each of 26" and 700c rims. Shows what several decades of 
>>> buying rims here and there in anticipation leads to. I even found several 
>>> unused Mavic MA2 and Module 3 rims, which are probably worth a fair bit 
>>> these days - I notice people on fleabay asking several hundred dollars for 
>>> these if new.
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: When did Rivendell change the sizing options of the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez

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Thanks Bill, very helpful.

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> I'd guess it was around 2015. In the 'original' Betty, I would have ridden a 
> 58. I did buy one, but before I built it, somebody else wanted it more so I 
> let them have it. At the time I was buying the 58, Keven suggested I 
> could/should wait until the 'new ones' come, because the 55 was going to be 
> identical in every dimension, except the seat lug is 3cm lower. It was a step 
> towards fewer frame sizes accommodating a larger swath of people sizes.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I know there was a 55cm but not sure if it was the original run or not, and 
>> I believe the 52cm was from the second run. Trying to understand how they 
>> differ in fit since one replaced the other I believe.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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I actually contacted him as I am about 2 hours away bit decided to let it go. 
He wants to really sell 2 bikes.

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>> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits around 
>> unsold for more than a month or two.
>>
>> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting cobwebs 
>> on Craigslist for half a year by now.
>
> Several people have made offers but the seller won't ship the bikes, so they 
> remain within sight but bitterly out of reach.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Riv. mixte has the shortest chainstays?

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Mathew, thanks. I think he bought this from a guy that lives close by me. I was 
told that he had put it up for sale at higher price than he paid, so this looks 
like the one. Same size, color, etc. I will pass but I do appreciate you 
thinking of me. On the list we used to always give good deals and take care of 
each other in the old days, going back to the original iBob list. The frame is 
very nice but I don’t know if I will like a mixte riding position if it is 
mostly upright. I will wait, being retired does make me budget conscious. I am 
currently waiting to see how my last back treatment takes, so far it is slow 
but I am riding. I generally ride at about 50-60 degrees, I don’t find 90 very 
comfortable.

Thanks again for thinking of me.

Joel

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On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 3:44 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Matthew just posted this Wilbury, in case you didn't see it:
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/732904.html
>
> They don't come available very often.
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:37:49 PM UTC-7 Linda G wrote:
>
>> I share Joel's concerns about long chainstays and wheelbase. The geometry on 
>> the Platypus has not been posted by Rivendell except for some labelled frame 
>> diagrams on Instagram which are hard to read. The 50 Platypus appears to 
>> have a chainstay of 53 and wheelbase of 120.6. That's compared to a 45 
>> chainstay on the 50 cheviot. The effective top tube on the Cheviot is 57.5 
>> compared to what looks like 61.5 on the Platypus, if I am reading the blurry 
>> diagram correctly. So the Platypus 50 is somewhere between 4 and 5 inches 
>> longer than the Cheviot 50, if my calculations are correct.
>> Linda
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Does this also equate to wheelbase?
>>>
>>> I store my bikes in the basement in winter and Sunroom the other seasons. 
>>> Long bikes can be a problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Riv. mixte has the shortest chainstays?

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Thanks Jim, do they also have the old geometry where one would buy a larger 
bike than the current ones? My Bleriot is a 55cm where my Sam is a 51cm. I will 
try to hunt down tome geometry charts, I would think think the TT figures would 
be the most helpful,

Joel

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> Glorius, Betty Foy, and Yves Gomez were all made before the current long 
> chainstay era. Great, beautiful bikes, but good look finding one. After that 
> it would be the Cheviot. For comparison, a 55cm Chev has 50cm chainstays, 
> whereas a 56 Susie has 54.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does this also equate to wheelbase?
>>
>> I store my bikes in the basement in winter and Sunroom the other seasons. 
>> Long bikes can be a problem.
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot questions

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I have the original tektro side pull that Riv sold at the time for the Bleriot, 
I assume the Silver are the same but private labeled. My right knee had a 
replacement almost 3 years ago, I was not one of the lucky ones who bounced 
back really easily. I ride but pay the piper afterwards but more my back than 
knee. I get some RFA treatments and it seems to help my back. My replaced knee 
just had a treatment but it is too soon to tell. I fear one day lifting it over 
the TT may become an issue but it is not a problem at this point.

Thanks for the info. I have np even disappointed in Soma’s Customer Service, 
maybe those Tekro brakes Riv is selling are different than the ones I have, or 
maybe the bike or maybe the Bleriot just does not have much extra clearance. I 
had Berthoud fenders on it but they always seemed a pain.

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On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 9:11 PM, exliontamer  wrote:

> My wife's Bleriot has those Dia Compe center pulls(which work incredibly 
> well) and I've fit 42s fendered under there but every twig she ran over got 
> caught up in the fenders. It looks like Soma still sells the Riv side pulls 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/rivendell-silver-73mm-caliper-f-r-set-2863?category=169
>  but I think these are the same thing 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/braking/products/brakes-sidepull-tektro-r559-allen
> I'm not trying to fuel anything here but I have shoulder issues and riding 
> upright really helped me out. I'd never presume to know what your knee issues 
> are like but I think the Yves, Betty, Cheviot, or Platypus would be a nice 
> choice for something like that.
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 8:27:46 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks, this helps as I have never heard of wide mouth Riv sidepull brakes. 
>> No wonder my old Bleriot cannot take more (or much more) than 42mm.
>>
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>> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:25 AM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>
>>> Found an old chart and 650x45mm is the maximum stated width. The bikes seem 
>>> to be designed around those wide mouth Riv sidepull brakes and the 
>>> clearance on those is pretty bonkers. I'm riding 38s(I have a 60cm frame) 
>>> and have a massive amount of room. I know the Platypus has even more room 
>>> and is a very similar design if 45mm isn't enough tire for you. Also, the 
>>> top tube is long so if you're not cool with upright bars it may not be a 
>>> good choice.
>>> As far as recommending one, I couldn't say enough nice things about it. 
>>> It's my favorite bike I've owned and the step through makes everything 
>>> easier. It handles absurdly well at every speed. It's just a fun, 
>>> comfortable bike that I want to ride. It's definitely everything I like 
>>> about Rivendell(inclusive, non-aggressive, versatile, good looking, fun) 
>>> wrapped up in a neat package.
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:45:38 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Pam, I wish I was closer but you have helped with the clearance 
 question.

 Much appreciated,

 Joel
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> I have a 50 cm Betty - basically the same as the Cheviot. I have a 47 cm 
> Betty and know that I have 1 1/2 in wide tires and fenders with 
> sidepulls. The 50 has sidepulls and the same size tire and I'm sure I can 
> put fenders on it but haven't. Let me know if you want me to measure it. 
> I'm in Charlotte, NC and you're welcome to come ride it to see how it 
> fits, feels.
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:45:17 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Justin. If I decided to try and find one the 50 would be the 
>> right size. I know my 55cm Bleriot with sidepull cannot take 48mm tires. 
>> I thought it was the brakes.
>>
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>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:34 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I can't comment on the 50cm Chev, but I have 700x50 tires on my 60cm 
>>> with a Tektro R559 sidepull in the rear and there's plenty of 
>>> clearance. Without fenders, I think you'd be fine clearing a 650bx50 on 
>>> the smaller model. (From my experience, Riv is rather conservative on 
>>> their max tire size recommendations.)
>>>
>>> Not sure what your PBH is but another option would be a 45cm Clem L 
>>> (48.5 chainstays) which can fit up to 26x2.4" tires with a V-brake or 
>>> cantis.
>>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:16:28 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Looking at the geometry charts it appears that the 50cm Cheviot has 
 45cm chainstays , so short by Riv’s current standards. Also with 
 sidepull brakes (not sure how this works with room for fat tires). Can 
 anyone comment on this?

 Right now I have 2 Rivs with toptubes and am fine with them. A step 
 thru might be nice if one of

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot questions

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Thanks, this helps as I have never heard of wide mouth Riv sidepull brakes. No 
wonder my old Bleriot cannot take more (or much more) than 42mm.

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> Found an old chart and 650x45mm is the maximum stated width. The bikes seem 
> to be designed around those wide mouth Riv sidepull brakes and the clearance 
> on those is pretty bonkers. I'm riding 38s(I have a 60cm frame) and have a 
> massive amount of room. I know the Platypus has even more room and is a very 
> similar design if 45mm isn't enough tire for you. Also, the top tube is long 
> so if you're not cool with upright bars it may not be a good choice.
> As far as recommending one, I couldn't say enough nice things about it. It's 
> my favorite bike I've owned and the step through makes everything easier. It 
> handles absurdly well at every speed. It's just a fun, comfortable bike that 
> I want to ride. It's definitely everything I like about Rivendell(inclusive, 
> non-aggressive, versatile, good looking, fun) wrapped up in a neat package.
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:45:38 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Pam, I wish I was closer but you have helped with the clearance 
>> question.
>>
>> Much appreciated,
>>
>> Joel
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>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:59 PM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 50 cm Betty - basically the same as the Cheviot. I have a 47 cm 
>>> Betty and know that I have 1 1/2 in wide tires and fenders with sidepulls. 
>>> The 50 has sidepulls and the same size tire and I'm sure I can put fenders 
>>> on it but haven't. Let me know if you want me to measure it. I'm in 
>>> Charlotte, NC and you're welcome to come ride it to see how it fits, feels.
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:45:17 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Justin. If I decided to try and find one the 50 would be the right 
 size. I know my 55cm Bleriot with sidepull cannot take 48mm tires. I 
 thought it was the brakes.

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 On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:34 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
  wrote:

> I can't comment on the 50cm Chev, but I have 700x50 tires on my 60cm with 
> a Tektro R559 sidepull in the rear and there's plenty of clearance. 
> Without fenders, I think you'd be fine clearing a 650bx50 on the smaller 
> model. (From my experience, Riv is rather conservative on their max tire 
> size recommendations.)
>
> Not sure what your PBH is but another option would be a 45cm Clem L (48.5 
> chainstays) which can fit up to 26x2.4" tires with a V-brake or cantis.
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:16:28 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Looking at the geometry charts it appears that the 50cm Cheviot has 45cm 
>> chainstays , so short by Riv’s current standards. Also with sidepull 
>> brakes (not sure how this works with room for fat tires). Can anyone 
>> comment on this?
>>
>> Right now I have 2 Rivs with toptubes and am fine with them. A step thru 
>> might be nice if one of these can be found.. a knee replacement and 
>> bad back might make this viable.
>>
>> Your info on this bike especially the tire clearance would be 
>> appreciated. I am not a fan of the long chainstay models. Fenders would 
>> not be used, I ride in dry conditions.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot questions

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Thanks Pam, I wish I was closer but you have helped with the clearance question.

Much appreciated,

Joel
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> I have a 50 cm Betty - basically the same as the Cheviot. I have a 47 cm 
> Betty and know that I have 1 1/2 in wide tires and fenders with sidepulls. 
> The 50 has sidepulls and the same size tire and I'm sure I can put fenders on 
> it but haven't. Let me know if you want me to measure it. I'm in Charlotte, 
> NC and you're welcome to come ride it to see how it fits, feels.
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:45:17 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Justin. If I decided to try and find one the 50 would be the right 
>> size. I know my 55cm Bleriot with sidepull cannot take 48mm tires. I thought 
>> it was the brakes.
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
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>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:34 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I can't comment on the 50cm Chev, but I have 700x50 tires on my 60cm with a 
>>> Tektro R559 sidepull in the rear and there's plenty of clearance. Without 
>>> fenders, I think you'd be fine clearing a 650bx50 on the smaller model. 
>>> (From my experience, Riv is rather conservative on their max tire size 
>>> recommendations.)
>>>
>>> Not sure what your PBH is but another option would be a 45cm Clem L (48.5 
>>> chainstays) which can fit up to 26x2.4" tires with a V-brake or cantis.
>>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:16:28 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Looking at the geometry charts it appears that the 50cm Cheviot has 45cm 
 chainstays , so short by Riv’s current standards. Also with sidepull 
 brakes (not sure how this works with room for fat tires). Can anyone 
 comment on this?

 Right now I have 2 Rivs with toptubes and am fine with them. A step thru 
 might be nice if one of these can be found.. a knee replacement and 
 bad back might make this viable.

 Your info on this bike especially the tire clearance would be appreciated. 
 I am not a fan of the long chainstay models. Fenders would not be used, I 
 ride in dry conditions.

 Thank you

 Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: From the Selle A blog, Sun and riding

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Robert, I am very fair as well, I understand.

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On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 8:34 PM,  wrote:

> As someone who has had around 20 cancers surgically removed and dozens of 
> others frozen off I’m with your wife. If you don’t take precautions now you 
> will pay later. My Irish ancestry is telling me I don’t belong in SoCal.
>
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>> 
>>
>> My wife hounds me every ride so when I saw this it made me think maybe 
>> others need a reminder. Today was the first truly beautiful day we have had 
>> so far this year in MA. Been a cool-cold spring.
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>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:57 AM, Joe M.  wrote:
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>>> Thanks for the important reminder!
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:08:44 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://selleanatomica.com/blogs/homepage-blog/where-should-a-cyclist-never-put-sunscreen-and-other-cycling-sun-tips?variation=B&utm_source=Not%20Supressed&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sunscreen%20%28Blog%20Promo%29%20%28RSchhL%29&_ke=eyJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIkhpY3lQWSIsICJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJqcnN0ZXJuMTFAZ21haWwuY29tIn0%3D
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Re: [RBW] Re: From the Selle A blog, Sun and riding

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When I was a kid, back in the ‘60’s, we’d bake with Bain de Soliel. I see the 
dermatologist yearly, so far just minor things frozen off. My wife is Brazilian 
so she is very concerned about the sun. Her place in Brasil is surrounded by 43 
beaches. When there we walk the beach but never sunbath. As a kid I grew up in 
Far Rockaway, NY, the poor man’s beach. I always burned so I never sat in the 
sun that much until my late teens and early 20’s. Then to St. Louis to grad 
school, no beaches and the summers were brutal, and yes, I tried to tan but 20 
minutes in that heat was all I could take. I jogged very early and rode my bike 
in Forrest Park. I do the sunscreen thing before I rode, always wear gloves.

Today was our first taste of summer, tomorrow should be the same so I am hoping 
for a nice ride.. I’m still in long sleeves do to the coolness when I go 
out, soon the heat will come.

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> Australian here. I work outdoors. I never wear shorts or short sleeves 
> outside, always gloves that cover the backs of my hands. Hat is not optional. 
> Autumn/Winter/Spring is cycling season.
>
> Luckily only had one cancer scare. It was enough.
>
> I see people like Ultra Romance looking like a buttered turkey and it makes 
> my skin hurt.
> On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 08:35:06 UTC+8 Robert Tilley wrote:
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>> As someone who has had around 20 cancers surgically removed and dozens of 
>> others frozen off I’m with your wife. If you don’t take precautions now you 
>> will pay later. My Irish ancestry is telling me I don’t belong in SoCal.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
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>>> On May 14, 2021, at 9:47 AM, JRStern11 via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> 
>>
>>> My wife hounds me every ride so when I saw this it made me think maybe 
>>> others need a reminder. Today was the first truly beautiful day we have had 
>>> so far this year in MA. Been a cool-cold spring.
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
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>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:57 AM, Joe M.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the important reminder!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:08:44 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://selleanatomica.com/blogs/homepage-blog/where-should-a-cyclist-never-put-sunscreen-and-other-cycling-sun-tips?variation=B&utm_source=Not%20Supressed&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sunscreen%20%28Blog%20Promo%29%20%28RSchhL%29&_ke=eyJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIkhpY3lQWSIsICJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJqcnN0ZXJuMTFAZ21haWwuY29tIn0%3D
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Re: [RBW] Re: From the Selle A blog, Sun and riding

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My wife hounds me every ride so when I saw this it made me think maybe others 
need a reminder. Today was the first truly beautiful day we have had so far 
this year in MA. Been a cool-cold spring.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot questions

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Thanks Justin. If I decided to try and find one the 50 would be the right size. 
I know my 55cm Bleriot with sidepull cannot take 48mm tires. I thought it was 
the brakes.

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 wrote:

> I can't comment on the 50cm Chev, but I have 700x50 tires on my 60cm with a 
> Tektro R559 sidepull in the rear and there's plenty of clearance. Without 
> fenders, I think you'd be fine clearing a 650bx50 on the smaller model. 
> (>From my experience, Riv is rather conservative on their max tire size 
> recommendations.)
>
> Not sure what your PBH is but another option would be a 45cm Clem L (48.5 
> chainstays) which can fit up to 26x2.4" tires with a V-brake or cantis.
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:16:28 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Looking at the geometry charts it appears that the 50cm Cheviot has 45cm 
>> chainstays , so short by Riv’s current standards. Also with sidepull brakes 
>> (not sure how this works with room for fat tires). Can anyone comment on 
>> this?
>>
>> Right now I have 2 Rivs with toptubes and am fine with them. A step thru 
>> might be nice if one of these can be found.. a knee replacement and bad 
>> back might make this viable.
>>
>> Your info on this bike especially the tire clearance would be appreciated. I 
>> am not a fan of the long chainstay models. Fenders would not be used, I ride 
>> in dry conditions.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Good to hear Jim. If anything happened to my Bleriot that the AHH would be on 
the top of my list.

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On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> Been reaping the benefits of the "Each bike you have increases exponentially 
> the possibility that none of them will work..." rule. That had me riding 
> other bikes to break down the cruft of too much storage and not enough 
> mileage. Worked my way over to the Hilsen, and after a tube replacement, 
> rolled out on an errand loop. Every time I ride it, I realize how good it 
> feels to do so.
> Comfortable. Balanced. Responsive. It just loves to run. Thanks, G.P.!
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

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Dorothy, not sure if you ride the Cheviot with or without fenders. I am curious 
about the maximum tire size without fenders. I’m thinking it will be 42mm or so 
due to the brakes.

Thanks

Joel

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On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:31 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:

> Phillip, my 55cm Cheviot is also 16” and fits the No 2 Zefal pump that Riv 
> sell. Make sure to turn the pump head from HP to X before trying to compress 
> it into position
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well that takes the Topeak Master Blaster off the table then!
>>
>> Thanks for checking.
>>
>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> 16" on the nose from tip to edge of HT
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 5:55:59 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Would someone mind running a tape measure for the pump mounting boss to 
 head tube?

 Also, what are people's thoughts on fenders for their Plats?
 On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:55:18 PM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Thanks Leah. I have definitely narrowed it down to a Sam or an Appaloosa 
> for myself, in that order. A Sam in Mermaid would probably be my ultimate 
> Riv. Nothing against the mixte, I'm just kind of a double diamond purist.
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:11:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm greatly enjoying reading your impressions and seeing the details in 
>> the photos. Will and Maia summed it up well - I've thought all those 
>> same thoughts about my own Platypus. I also really think this is the 
>> most sparkle Riv has ever put in a paint job and we are all loving it. 
>> Sparklepus or SparklePlaty. That's the new hashtag!
>>
>> Anyway, Will, I think you should snag a 60 mermaid Platy for yourself. 
>> Why not? This IS the best bike in the Riv line, you know...
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:57:25 PM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Maia's Mermaid 55CM Details Part1
>>>
>>> [IMG_0443.png][IMG_0444.png]
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Jason, great to see how much you love that bike.

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:38 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Joel - cheers! I'm at around 1550 km on the Bombadil odometer now, which 
> surpasses how much mileage I put on the Clem by 400 km - and in half the time!
>
> JS - They are XTR M980 cranks, apparently the last 104 BCD version before 
> going to the non-symmetric bolt pattern. I bought the matching outer ring on 
> closeout from Universal but turns out I need extra long chainring bolts to 
> use it, so it remains in the parts bin :)
>
> On Sunday, 4 April 2021 at 15:41:14 UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Jason, what is that crank you're using?
>> I've seen it on a few bikes and have been curious what it is.
>> JS
>>
>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 3:00:49 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Ol' Bomby the other day, picking up a Simworks rack and black Wald (note 
>>> the double basket up front) for the MB-1 project. I've got a real sturdy 
>>> set of wheels on order for the Bombadil (Cliffhangers to SON/White Ind), 
>>> then it's "done", and my hope is to start wearing parts out, rather than 
>>> upgrade for no good reason haha
>>>
>>> [PXL_20210401_020111383.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>>
 hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
 rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i 
 love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

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That would be nice...

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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> $900 for a frameset (unprepped), which isn't a guarantee of pricing on the 
> TIGPlat. Guaranteed cheaper.
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 3:00:24 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> How much is a Clem?
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
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>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Like a Clem. TIG-welded instead of lugs, it should be a really cool Platy 
>>> design for Clem money.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:05:58 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 I wonder what on a budget means?

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 On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:20 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
  wrote:

> [08DD9FD1-5A7C-41FD-9BDD-723C8EEB43D0.png]From Riv’s Instagram today:
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>
>> Yeah -- if Universal has the parts you want in stock for your wheels, 
>> they get them to you scary fast for custom wheels. The three pairs I 
>> have had from them were all built incredibly well.
>>
>> 60cm still in stock. Really considering it for myself still. Just bought 
>> deck lumber yesterday however and that cost about as much as a Platy 
>> complete would. I've told myself if there is a 60cm come Monday, I can 
>> do it.
>>
>> Jonathan P.
>> Seattle, WA
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:13:43 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered wheels with Velocity A23 rims for my Rivendell Road from 
>>> Universal Cycles. They were in stock and and my custom spec order took 
>>> about a week to lace up and ship to me.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
 On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:18 AM, Nathan F  wrote:
>>>
 I've got a 55 in the Lime-Olive headed my way!
>>>
 Unfortunately my rims are ~8 weeks out, which'll mean putting the 
 frame on ice for a bit until they come in. Sure wish I ordered those 
 sooner! I'll do a full build post once I'm all done. In the meantime, 
 I'm excited to see what people who aren't named Leah have to say about 
 the bike, though I can confirm her enthusiasm helped me pull the 
 trigger.
 On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 19:20:49 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Lol, you guys. A high compliment. But does this mean I’m also to 
> blame for the shortage? Double-edged sword...
>
> It’s a great bike. A bike that is so beautiful and so smart that it 
> could sell itself. Congratulations, Rivendell! You have a winner. 
> Let’s hope another batch is in the works.
>
> Anyone else remembering that Rivendell had Platy forks that they were 
> making into a Rosco model identical to the Platys? Hope is not lost!
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> 
>
>> Haha, I was half-surprised when I found the website had not crashed 
>> at 12:05. And I would put a bet that at least 10% of the sales were 
>> a direct result of Leah's enthusiasm for the bike!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:45 PM David Lipsky  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not a bit, nooo! She’s too busy grinding out miles with hers!
>>>
>>> I picked up a small order at RBWHQ yesterday and asked Will if 
>>> their server might melt down today and he said something to the 
>>> effect of: ‘Yeah, probably.’
>>>
>>> 8^}
>>>
>>> David
>>>
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:22 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>>
 
 Could Bicycle Belle Ding Ding have anything to do with the 
 enthusiasm for this bike?

 dougP

 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Have we ever seen anything like this? Does anyone remember a bike 
> selling this quickly?
>
>>
>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Eric Marth  
>> wrote:
>
>> That was pretty nuts. 60s remain at the moment
>>
>> 3:01 50cm mermaids sold out
>> 3:03 50cm lime olive sold out
>> 3:05 55cm mermaid sold out
>> 3:07 55cm lime olive sold out
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:15:41 PM UTC-4 
>> upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Heather Hayes, my receipt said the same thing. I wanted the 
>>> MERMAID but it auto purchased the Lime/Olive. We'll see what 
>>> happens. I clicked as fast as I could on the dot!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

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Funny

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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:20 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> On a budget means the icemaker is on the inside of the refrigerator and you 
> can't control it with your phone.😭
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, 2:05 PM JRStern11 via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
>
>> I wonder what on a budget means?
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:20 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> [08DD9FD1-5A7C-41FD-9BDD-723C8EEB43D0.png]From Riv’s Instagram today:
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah -- if Universal has the parts you want in stock for your wheels, they 
>>>> get them to you scary fast for custom wheels. The three pairs I have had 
>>>> from them were all built incredibly well.
>>>>
>>>> 60cm still in stock. Really considering it for myself still. Just bought 
>>>> deck lumber yesterday however and that cost about as much as a Platy 
>>>> complete would. I've told myself if there is a 60cm come Monday, I can do 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan P.
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:13:43 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I ordered wheels with Velocity A23 rims for my Rivendell Road from 
>>>>> Universal Cycles. They were in stock and and my custom spec order took 
>>>>> about a week to lace up and ship to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:18 AM, Nathan F  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a 55 in the Lime-Olive headed my way!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately my rims are ~8 weeks out, which'll mean putting the frame 
>>>>>> on ice for a bit until they come in. Sure wish I ordered those sooner! 
>>>>>> I'll do a full build post once I'm all done. In the meantime, I'm 
>>>>>> excited to see what people who aren't named Leah have to say about the 
>>>>>> bike, though I can confirm her enthusiasm helped me pull the trigger.
>>>>>> On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 19:20:49 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lol, you guys. A high compliment. But does this mean I’m also to blame 
>>>>>>> for the shortage? Double-edged sword...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s a great bike. A bike that is so beautiful and so smart that it 
>>>>>>> could sell itself. Congratulations, Rivendell! You have a winner. Let’s 
>>>>>>> hope another batch is in the works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else remembering that Rivendell had Platy forks that they were 
>>>>>>> making into a Rosco model identical to the Platys? Hope is not lost!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haha, I was half-surprised when I found the website had not crashed at 
>>>>>>>> 12:05. And I would put a bet that at least 10% of the sales were a 
>>>>>>>> direct result of Leah's enthusiasm for the bike!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:45 PM David Lipsky  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not a bit, nooo! She’s too busy grinding out miles with hers!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I picked up a small order at RBWHQ yesterday and asked Will if their 
>>>>>>>>> server might melt down today and he said something to the effect of: 
>>>>>>>>> ‘Yeah, probably.’
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8^}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:22 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Could Bicycle Belle Ding Ding have anything to do with the 
>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasm for this bike?
>&

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

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How much is a Clem?

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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Like a Clem. TIG-welded instead of lugs, it should be a really cool Platy 
> design for Clem money.
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:05:58 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I wonder what on a budget means?
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:20 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> [08DD9FD1-5A7C-41FD-9BDD-723C8EEB43D0.png]From Riv’s Instagram today:
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>>
 Yeah -- if Universal has the parts you want in stock for your wheels, they 
 get them to you scary fast for custom wheels. The three pairs I have had 
 from them were all built incredibly well.

 60cm still in stock. Really considering it for myself still. Just bought 
 deck lumber yesterday however and that cost about as much as a Platy 
 complete would. I've told myself if there is a 60cm come Monday, I can do 
 it.

 Jonathan P.
 Seattle, WA
 On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:13:43 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:

> I ordered wheels with Velocity A23 rims for my Rivendell Road from 
> Universal Cycles. They were in stock and and my custom spec order took 
> about a week to lace up and ship to me.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:18 AM, Nathan F  wrote:
>
>> I've got a 55 in the Lime-Olive headed my way!
>
>> Unfortunately my rims are ~8 weeks out, which'll mean putting the frame 
>> on ice for a bit until they come in. Sure wish I ordered those sooner! 
>> I'll do a full build post once I'm all done. In the meantime, I'm 
>> excited to see what people who aren't named Leah have to say about the 
>> bike, though I can confirm her enthusiasm helped me pull the trigger.
>> On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 19:20:49 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lol, you guys. A high compliment. But does this mean I’m also to blame 
>>> for the shortage? Double-edged sword...
>>>
>>> It’s a great bike. A bike that is so beautiful and so smart that it 
>>> could sell itself. Congratulations, Rivendell! You have a winner. Let’s 
>>> hope another batch is in the works.
>>>
>>> Anyone else remembering that Rivendell had Platy forks that they were 
>>> making into a Rosco model identical to the Platys? Hope is not lost!
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 
>>>
 Haha, I was half-surprised when I found the website had not crashed at 
 12:05. And I would put a bet that at least 10% of the sales were a 
 direct result of Leah's enthusiasm for the bike!

 On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:45 PM David Lipsky  wrote:

> Not a bit, nooo! She’s too busy grinding out miles with hers!
>
> I picked up a small order at RBWHQ yesterday and asked Will if their 
> server might melt down today and he said something to the effect of: 
> ‘Yeah, probably.’
>
> 8^}
>
> David
>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:22 PM, dougP  wrote:
>
>> 
>> Could Bicycle Belle Ding Ding have anything to do with the 
>> enthusiasm for this bike?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Have we ever seen anything like this? Does anyone remember a bike 
>>> selling this quickly?
>>>

>>>
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 That was pretty nuts. 60s remain at the moment

 3:01 50cm mermaids sold out
 3:03 50cm lime olive sold out
 3:05 55cm mermaid sold out
 3:07 55cm lime olive sold out

 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:15:41 PM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> Heather Hayes, my receipt said the same thing. I wanted the 
> MERMAID but it auto purchased the Lime/Olive. We'll see what 
> happens. I clicked as fast as I could on the dot!
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:10:20 PM UTC-4 Heather Hayes 
> wrote:
>
>> I clicked purchase on the 50cm in Mermaid, but my receipt says 
>> Lime-Olive. :/ If anyone had the opposite problem, please let me 
>> know if you'd like to trade! :)
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:06:10 PM UTC-4 
>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> When I was chatting to James & Grant about mine they said I 
>>> could do a 50 or a 55. My PBH is 81cm, 5'7", 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Up and Running

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Very nice. My issue is finding an easy release canti but I have been able to 
get my shimano’s to release better.

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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:17 PM, Erik  wrote:

> Paul Components Touring Cantilevers. I haven't run cantis in a very long time 
> and wanted to try some out for this build. I only did a very, very short ride 
> around the neighborhood on them yesterday because of my injury, but I think I 
> got them dialed in pretty well.
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:19:11 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Very nice. What brakes are those? I found one from the previous production, 
>> new, a few months before these arrived. Great bikes.
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride on Bleriot this year

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Sorry Paul, I looked at the message below.

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On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:54 AM, Paul Richardson  
wrote:

> very nice. is it just me or does the back wheel look way huge compared to the 
> front? they're both 650b, right?
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-4 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> Pretty bike.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
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>>> Such a wonderful bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride on Bleriot this year

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Bill, yes both 650b 42mm BSP.

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> very nice. is it just me or does the back wheel look way huge compared to the 
> front? they're both 650b, right?
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> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-4 Bill Schairer wrote:
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>> Pretty bike.
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>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
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>>> Such a wonderful bike.
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Re: [RBW] FS: Brooks B17 Softened/ aged, whatever they call it, NEW, Ergon SR3 M new

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All gone.

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> Brand new Brooks B17 Softened, just received, can return but would rather 
> pass a good deal on to a list member,
>
> $100 plus shipping. Can see if the Box will fit in a priority regional A box, 
> without the box I think it will. Please let me know your interest with a 
> private message,
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> Ergon SR3 Medium, NEW, $45 plus shipping, pics in first reply
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