Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Jones LWB

[Joe D.]

Look at the tires on that trailer!



On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was an 
absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it feels 
like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t much 
different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load is a 
joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford one 
honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike 
though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a 
priority. 
The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion!

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[RBW] Surly Pugsley for sale

[Joe D.]

For sale is My Surly Pugsley, somewhat Rivendell or Jones-esq with the 
wheel pulled all the way back and the relatively long chainstays of 475mm, 
the upright riding position, the camping setup, and the non-fancy parts 
(135mm hubs!)

Just thought I'd post here in case anyone is interested.

https://helena.craigslist.org/bik/d/helena-surly-pugsley-studs-29-framebag/7714691473.html

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[RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Joe D.]

Good morning!

I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd, so 
I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus LWB 
(now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes are 
now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any used 
possibilities out there.

I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to version 
3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss fork and 
eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the frame/fork 
itself.

Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so 
we'd have to work out shipping.

Thanks!
Joe

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[RBW] Riv-inspired off-road bike

[Joe D.]

Here's a neat article about a rider and frame builder inspired by Riv's 
Susie Longbolts: 

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/maestro-rat-snake-prototype/

It makes me wonder what their impression would be of a stiffer Rivendell 
Hillibike, like the Atlantis or especially Gus Boots Wilson.

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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dually Wheelset - $225

[Joe D.]

Wheelset is sold!

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
> Another cargo biker! I have a Yuba Mundo Lux but probably would have 
> gotten a Big Dummy had they been in stock when I got the Yuba.
>
> The spokes are straight, not double butted. I think they'd be great on a 
> big dummy. I actually just switched wheelsets on my Yuba from the stock (
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8XKVVAqkKfE) to something 
> similar to the Dually, but thru axle, the WTB scraper, so I could run 2.5 - 
> 3" tires. Biggest question I had was weather the 32 spoke wheels were 
> strong enough for cargo bike use, since stock was 36 hole. Two bike shops 
> near me confirmed that it's not an issue provided the wheel uses quality 
> parts and the spokes stay tensioned. After a winter of heavy use on the new 
> 32 hole scraper wheels I think I agree.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:44:46 AM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Funny question for you Joe,
>>
>> Are the spokes on these porkers double butted (doesn't look like it but 
>> maybe hard to tell)? Any opinions about these wheels on a Big Dummy?
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 9:26 AM Joe D.  wrote:
>>
>>> For sale is a wheelset with perhaps the best plus size 26 inch rim on 
>>> the market, the Velocity Dually, paired with Deore hubs. Great for a tire 
>>> between 2.3 - 3 inches wide. The rear wheel is for 135mm quick release, 
>>> disc brake only. Front is for 100mm quick release. Already taped for 
>>> tubeless (but can run tubes just fine). Less than 100 miles on it and in 
>>> like new condition. 
>>>
>>> Price is $225, shipped. I had been selling only the rear wheel, but 
>>> plans for another project changed so now it's the whole wheelset for sale. 
>>>
>>> Why post on the rim-brake loving Riv site? Ha, good question! I think 
>>> there are enough Riv aficionados with old Surly, Crust, etc. bikes that 
>>> take 135mm rear and big 26" tires. Maybe I'm wrong though? 
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 26" dynamo wheelset, studded tires

[Joe D.]

Studded tires are sold!

Wheels and lights are still available for $200 shipped.

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:27:34 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> To answer some questions I got -- Yes, they fit in the Surly frames that 
> take the whole variety of wheels sizes, from quick release, thru-axle, to 
> boost.
>
> And yes, I'll sell just the wheels and lights. That's $200 shipped.
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> And I forgot to mention that I'm happy to separate out the  Schwalbe 
>> studded tires (26" X 2") for $80, shipped.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>>
>>> Wishing-for-spring cleanout!
>>>
>>> For sale is the dynamo wheelset off my Yuba Mundo cargo bike. These are 
>>> like new, maybe ~500 miles. 15 x 100 TA front, 12 x 142 TA rear, disc only. 
>>> They're 36 hole wheels and made to carry insane amounts of weight. Front 
>>> hub is Shimano DH-UR708-3D Dynamo hub, 6v 3w (hub retails new for about ~ 
>>> $120 by itself). Rear hub is unknown Shimano model. Rims are WTB SX 23 
>>> (23mm internal width).
>>>
>>> Also included are the lights and wiring. Front light is a 50 lumen 
>>> Trelock LS 382 VIO (new for ~ $50). Rear light is AXA Blueline Steady (~ 
>>> $20 new).
>>>
>>> And finally, the studded tires I used, Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus, 
>>> 26" X 2" (retail new ~ $80 per tire). These are fantastic on ice and 
>>> hardpacked snow. All studs are in. Only ~75 miles on these this winter.
>>>
>>> I'm only selling because I got a plus size wheelset so I could run 
>>> bigger tires in the cargo bike.
>>>
>>> $300, shipped, for everything, unless you want to meet in person in 
>>> Helena, MT.
>>>
>>> Also open to trades, specifically an old 26+ bike that takes 100qr 
>>> front, 135qr rear (surly troll, etc.), and ideally frame only, since I 
>>> already have a Troll fork. Or a cheap old fat bike. I also have and could 
>>> part with an '88 Schwinn Traveler converted to gravel riding with flat 
>>> bars, 1x drivetrain, and 40mm knobby tires, plus a '94 Marin Pine Mountain 
>>> frame with a Surly Troll fork, if you really want to wheel and deal :)
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dually Wheelset - $225

[Joe D.]

Hi Doug,

Another cargo biker! I have a Yuba Mundo Lux but probably would have gotten 
a Big Dummy had they been in stock when I got the Yuba.

The spokes are straight, not double butted. I think they'd be great on a 
big dummy. I actually just switched wheelsets on my Yuba from the stock 
(https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8XKVVAqkKfE) to something 
similar to the Dually, but thru axle, the WTB scraper, so I could run 2.5 - 
3" tires. Biggest question I had was weather the 32 spoke wheels were 
strong enough for cargo bike use, since stock was 36 hole. Two bike shops 
near me confirmed that it's not an issue provided the wheel uses quality 
parts and the spokes stay tensioned. After a winter of heavy use on the new 
32 hole scraper wheels I think I agree.





On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:44:46 AM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Funny question for you Joe,
>
> Are the spokes on these porkers double butted (doesn't look like it but 
> maybe hard to tell)? Any opinions about these wheels on a Big Dummy?
>
> Thanks, Doug
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 9:26 AM Joe D.  wrote:
>
>> For sale is a wheelset with perhaps the best plus size 26 inch rim on the 
>> market, the Velocity Dually, paired with Deore hubs. Great for a tire 
>> between 2.3 - 3 inches wide. The rear wheel is for 135mm quick release, 
>> disc brake only. Front is for 100mm quick release. Already taped for 
>> tubeless (but can run tubes just fine). Less than 100 miles on it and in 
>> like new condition. 
>>
>> Price is $225, shipped. I had been selling only the rear wheel, but plans 
>> for another project changed so now it's the whole wheelset for sale. 
>>
>> Why post on the rim-brake loving Riv site? Ha, good question! I think 
>> there are enough Riv aficionados with old Surly, Crust, etc. bikes that 
>> take 135mm rear and big 26" tires. Maybe I'm wrong though? 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS or Trade: 26" Velocity Dually/Deore wheel

[Joe D.]

project plans changed, and now this entire wheelset is for sale, not just 
the rear, see the new posting...

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:44:53 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Forgot to say, local is Helena, MT or thereabouts. 
>
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:44:02 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> For sale is perhaps the best 26+ rim on the market, the Velocity Dually, 
>> paired with a Deore hub. This is the rear wheel only, 135mm quick release, 
>> disc brake only. Already taped for tubeless (but can run tubes just fine). 
>> Less than 100 miles on it and in like new condition. Price is $125, shipped 
>> (less if you're local).
>>
>> Why post on the rim-brake loving Riv site? Ha, good question! I think 
>> there are enough Riv aficionados with old Surly, Crust, etc. bikes that 
>> take 135mm rear and big 26" tires. Maybe I'm wrong though? 
>>
>> The back story... I bought this wheelset used with a matching front wheel 
>> and 26 x 3 tires. I put the tires on my cargo bike. The front wheel went on 
>> my 1994 Marin Pine Mountain that has a Surly Troll fork. That fork 
>> accommodates disc brakes and plus size tires, so a perfect match for the 
>> 26" Dually wheel. The rear of the Marin, however, is rim brake and only has 
>> clearance for ~2.4" tire. So I'd have to use one of those weird disc brake 
>> adapters (Chasertech, etc.), but still wouldn't get the benefits of the 
>> plus size rim with only a 2.4" tire. Hence passing along the rear wheel. 
>> It's such a great wheelset I considered trying to find just the frame 
>> (since I have the surly troll fork) from an old Surly Troll/Bridge club, 
>> Crust, etc. to use with it, but 26+ frames that are 100qr front, 135qr rear 
>> aren't exactly common and sitting around for cheap.
>>
>> I am open to a trade for a quality 26" rim brake rear wheel. Something 
>> like a velocity cliffhanger, or even the less expensive SunRingle RhynoLite 
>> provided you throw in some cash or a tire, etc.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26" dynamo wheelset, studded tires

[Joe D.]

To answer some questions I got -- Yes, they fit in the Surly frames that 
take the whole variety of wheels sizes, from quick release, thru-axle, to 
boost.

And yes, I'll sell just the wheels and lights. That's $200 shipped.

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> And I forgot to mention that I'm happy to separate out the  Schwalbe 
> studded tires (26" X 2") for $80, shipped.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Wishing-for-spring cleanout!
>>
>> For sale is the dynamo wheelset off my Yuba Mundo cargo bike. These are 
>> like new, maybe ~500 miles. 15 x 100 TA front, 12 x 142 TA rear, disc only. 
>> They're 36 hole wheels and made to carry insane amounts of weight. Front 
>> hub is Shimano DH-UR708-3D Dynamo hub, 6v 3w (hub retails new for about ~ 
>> $120 by itself). Rear hub is unknown Shimano model. Rims are WTB SX 23 
>> (23mm internal width).
>>
>> Also included are the lights and wiring. Front light is a 50 lumen 
>> Trelock LS 382 VIO (new for ~ $50). Rear light is AXA Blueline Steady (~ 
>> $20 new).
>>
>> And finally, the studded tires I used, Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus, 26" 
>> X 2" (retail new ~ $80 per tire). These are fantastic on ice and hardpacked 
>> snow. All studs are in. Only ~75 miles on these this winter.
>>
>> I'm only selling because I got a plus size wheelset so I could run bigger 
>> tires in the cargo bike.
>>
>> $300, shipped, for everything, unless you want to meet in person in 
>> Helena, MT.
>>
>> Also open to trades, specifically an old 26+ bike that takes 100qr front, 
>> 135qr rear (surly troll, etc.), and ideally frame only, since I already 
>> have a Troll fork. Or a cheap old fat bike. I also have and could part with 
>> an '88 Schwinn Traveler converted to gravel riding with flat bars, 1x 
>> drivetrain, and 40mm knobby tires, plus a '94 Marin Pine Mountain frame 
>> with a Surly Troll fork, if you really want to wheel and deal :)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26" dynamo wheelset, studded tires

[Joe D.]

And I forgot to mention that I'm happy to separate out the  Schwalbe 
studded tires (26" X 2") for $80, shipped.

Thanks!

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Wishing-for-spring cleanout!
>
> For sale is the dynamo wheelset off my Yuba Mundo cargo bike. These are 
> like new, maybe ~500 miles. 15 x 100 TA front, 12 x 142 TA rear, disc only. 
> They're 36 hole wheels and made to carry insane amounts of weight. Front 
> hub is Shimano DH-UR708-3D Dynamo hub, 6v 3w (hub retails new for about ~ 
> $120 by itself). Rear hub is unknown Shimano model. Rims are WTB SX 23 
> (23mm internal width).
>
> Also included are the lights and wiring. Front light is a 50 lumen Trelock 
> LS 382 VIO (new for ~ $50). Rear light is AXA Blueline Steady (~ $20 new).
>
> And finally, the studded tires I used, Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus, 26" 
> X 2" (retail new ~ $80 per tire). These are fantastic on ice and hardpacked 
> snow. All studs are in. Only ~75 miles on these this winter.
>
> I'm only selling because I got a plus size wheelset so I could run bigger 
> tires in the cargo bike.
>
> $300, shipped, for everything, unless you want to meet in person in 
> Helena, MT.
>
> Also open to trades, specifically an old 26+ bike that takes 100qr front, 
> 135qr rear (surly troll, etc.), and ideally frame only, since I already 
> have a Troll fork. Or a cheap old fat bike. I also have and could part with 
> an '88 Schwinn Traveler converted to gravel riding with flat bars, 1x 
> drivetrain, and 40mm knobby tires, plus a '94 Marin Pine Mountain frame 
> with a Surly Troll fork, if you really want to wheel and deal :)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Joe D.]

It's neat to see others going through the bike mechanics learning too. 

I've found the book "Zinn and the Art of Mountain Bike Maintenance" to be 
super helpful, especially in combination with the Park Tool videos. I'm 
sure Zinn's road bike book is good too.



On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
There’s someone in the Philadelphia area (I’m not connected to seller) who 
is selling intermediate/advanced toolkit.   We could get up a collection 
and present it to our BBDD!  :). 

[image: 00t0t_kpqv0cE1i5O_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
intermediate/advanced tool kit - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale 

philadelphia.craigslist.org 




Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2023, at 3:10 PM, George Schick  wrote:

To those responding to this post who are saying they're gradually learning 
to do most everything (adjusting, changing components, etc.) except wheel 
building, I say *don't underrate yourself!*  With a good resource 
(personally, I'd recommend Sheldon Brown's step-by-step methodology 
available on-line) and a little fooling around and practice *you can do 
it!  *

Also, as you go along and figure out how to do replacement and maintenance 
of various components, be prepared to buy some specialized tools.  Just 
like almost everything on a bike, you'll discover that a specific tool is 
needed to do the job correctly.  That's not to say that you need anything 
more than a small screwdriver and some hex key wrenches to make minor 
adjustments to deraillers or to change brake cables...you don't.  But when 
it comes to things like replacing headsets or bottom brackets you'll need 
some unique tools.

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:
I love this, Leah! I've been doing what I can on my bike, and now that I'm 
really starting to change components I'm starting to learn more and more. 
My hope is that once I'm done adjusting components on this bike I can be in 
an okay place to eventually build up my own from a frame and fork 
(wheel-building excluded--I'll leave that to the wheel pros).

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:49:54 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
I'm (mostly) self-taught as far as wrenching goes. I started decades ago 
maintaining my own bikes, then buying and repairing and re-selling bikes 
from CL. I eventually got to the point where I could strip a bike to the 
bare frame and rebuild everything. The only formal class I took was a wheel 
building class from Jude K. when she owned Sugar Wheelworks (One of the 
best birthday gifts my wife ever gave me) and now that's a skill in my 
quiver. I worked 30 years as a middle school LA/SS teacher (bike commuted 
every day) and hanging out with the bikes in the basement was a form of 
therapy and decompression. Now, I'm semi-retired. I work as a substitute 
teacher 2 days/week, and a professional bike mechanic (!) 3 days/week at Go 
By Bike, "North America's largest bike valet service" 
https://www.gobybikepdx.com/  I'm living my best life.
a few months ago I had a valet client who was complaining that she couldn't 
get her seat low enough. I pulled the seat, put the post in the vice, cut 6 
inches off the bottom, touched up the edges with a file, and remounted it 
in the position she wanted. I took the remaining section of seatpost and 
stuck a piece of tape on it where I wrote "It's not Rocket Science."  This 
reminder is still on a shelf in the shop. And as anyone who reads Grant's 
Blagh knows, Bikes shouldn't be too precious. Don't fear wrenching - it's 
empowering.

Mike M

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
scheming.)

I digress! 

He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 

There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
raspberry Platypus. W

[RBW] Re: FS or Trade: 26" Velocity Dually/Deore wheel

[Joe D.]

Forgot to say, local is Helena, MT or thereabouts. 


On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:44:02 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> For sale is perhaps the best 26+ rim on the market, the Velocity Dually, 
> paired with a Deore hub. This is the rear wheel only, 135mm quick release, 
> disc brake only. Already taped for tubeless (but can run tubes just fine). 
> Less than 100 miles on it and in like new condition. Price is $125, shipped 
> (less if you're local).
>
> Why post on the rim-brake loving Riv site? Ha, good question! I think 
> there are enough Riv aficionados with old Surly, Crust, etc. bikes that 
> take 135mm rear and big 26" tires. Maybe I'm wrong though? 
>
> The back story... I bought this wheelset used with a matching front wheel 
> and 26 x 3 tires. I put the tires on my cargo bike. The front wheel went on 
> my 1994 Marin Pine Mountain that has a Surly Troll fork. That fork 
> accommodates disc brakes and plus size tires, so a perfect match for the 
> 26" Dually wheel. The rear of the Marin, however, is rim brake and only has 
> clearance for ~2.4" tire. So I'd have to use one of those weird disc brake 
> adapters (Chasertech, etc.), but still wouldn't get the benefits of the 
> plus size rim with only a 2.4" tire. Hence passing along the rear wheel. 
> It's such a great wheelset I considered trying to find just the frame 
> (since I have the surly troll fork) from an old Surly Troll/Bridge club, 
> Crust, etc. to use with it, but 26+ frames that are 100qr front, 135qr rear 
> aren't exactly common and sitting around for cheap.
>
> I am open to a trade for a quality 26" rim brake rear wheel. Something 
> like a velocity cliffhanger, or even the less expensive SunRingle RhynoLite 
> provided you throw in some cash or a tire, etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Joe
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tumbleweed Rack, Jones Bar, Schwalbe Tires

[Joe D.]

Jones bar and grips have sold. Thanks everyone.

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:03:08 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Big Ben tires have sold.
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:59:37 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Tumbleweed rack has sold.
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:39:08 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>>
>>> Jones Bar/Grips and Tires
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:37:21 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rack pictures.
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tumbleweed Rack, Jones Bar, Schwalbe Tires

[Joe D.]

Big Ben tires have sold.

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:59:37 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Tumbleweed rack has sold.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:39:08 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Jones Bar/Grips and Tires
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:37:21 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>>
>>> Rack pictures.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tumbleweed Rack, Jones Bar, Schwalbe Tires

[Joe D.]

Tumbleweed rack has sold.

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:39:08 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Jones Bar/Grips and Tires
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:37:21 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Rack pictures.
>>
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[RBW] FS: Tumbleweed Rack, Jones Bar, Schwalbe Tires

[Joe D.]

Get in touch if you're local to Helena, MT and want to meet and check any 
of this out (and save some shipping cash).

Tumbleweed Rack: For sale is the Tumbleweed Mini Pannier Rack, the 355mm 
version (that's the height from the lower eyelet to center of platform). 
The platform is 120mm wide by 300mm long. You can google "bikepacking.com 
tumbleweed mini pannier rack" and read all about it, and check out the 
Tumbleweed bike website for more info.

I had it on a bike last Spring and Summer, but only ever carried a load on 
it once, sadly. Ended up doing more family bikepacking and used the cargo 
bike instead of my mountain bike with this rack. Now I've moved away from 
the rack setup. It also comes with extra mounting struts. This would clear 
a 4.75" fat tire.

These retail new for $140. I'll sell for $100, shipped. This thing needs to 
be used! 

Jones Bar:   For sale is a lightly used Jones H-Bar Bend, 710mm wide. Some 
slight scuffs from brake levers, etc. This have only been on like 5 miles 
of actual single track, mostly just gravel and forest service roads. 
They're super comfortable. I have a different bike now and I don't need as 
much sweep, so I want to pass them along. I only used them last summer and 
fall. Also included are the Jones Kraton grips and unused, still-in-box 
Jones H-Bar tape.

Bars retail new for $85, grips for $22, and tape for $12.

I'll sell the whole bundle for $75, shipped.

Schwalbe Tires: Schwalbe Big Ben tires, Performance Line, Racegaurd, 26 x 
2.1. They've handled everything from asphalt to mellow gravel/dirt. I rode 
them last summer and fall for maybe 200 miles. There's a ton of life left. 
I'm only selling because I'm giving a 2.5 tire a try.

$35 for the pair, shipped.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe D.]

Thanks for those insights Keith! 

I came across the scapegoat V2 geometry chart (attached). Interesting 
comparison to the current version (at the bottom of this 
link: https://crustbikes.com/products/scapegoat). 

When I reached out to Crust they said the current chainstay measurement of 
451mm is with the rocker dropouts all the way in, and you can get an 
additional 20mm by pushing them out. So size Large could then conceivably 
get a 471mm chanistay and 1130mm wheelbase.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:04:30 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> I haven't fully read this thread, but have been tempted to discuss my 
> Scapegoat.  I have the Gen 2 and, as I've stated in other threads, it is 
> one of the best bikes I've ever owned.  I was slow to investigate or buy it 
> - despite wanting the exact thing - because it is so ugly.  I finally 
> jumped on one just before the pandemic hit, when Crust was moving, and had 
> them on sale.  I had contemplated the Tumbleweed Prospector and a couple of 
> other, similar bikes - including the Chumba Ursa and the Analog/Tanglefoot 
> Moonshiner - before looking past the paint job, really studying the 
> Scapegoat's geometry chart, and realizing it was just what I wanted.  
>
> Unfortunately, the new version un-did most of what I sought out and like 
> about my Gen 2 and made it different than other offerings.It had a much 
> lower BB, and a longer TT  than the new version.   The fact that the bb is 
> now higher and the HT angle is now slacker than the Prospector (which is 
> high in order to accommodate the squish of a suspension fork if so 
> outfitted)   really tells me how much the Gen 3 has changed.  (Assuming 
> that's accurate.) The top tube on the Gen 2 large was longer than the one 
> on the Gen 3 XL.  The longer chainstay on the Gen 3 is probably good.  But 
> unless someone actually owns the new Gen 3, I think it's going to be tough 
> to get a good review. 
>
> It really depends on what you want, but the prospector might once again be 
> king of the hill for my tastes.   Unless you can find a Gen 2 Scapegoat - 
> then get that!.  That's my suggestion anyway.  The stooge Scrambler has a 
> great geometry too, but it still doesn't a have enough clearance for the 
> rear tire.  The reason the Scapegoat works so well is that they used flat 
> yoke plates on BOTH sides where the chainstays connect to the bb.
>
> Regarding the chain tensioning options:  Owning bikes with: (1) an 
> eccentric bb [a  Jones 29]; (2) sliding dropouts [my actual fatbike, a 
> lynskey]; and (3) rocker dropouts [the Scapegoat], I'd say that the 
> eccentric bb is my favorite in terms of hassle-free, set-it-and-forget it 
> ease.   The only bad thing is that I position it with a rear bias to yield 
> a longer front-center measurement (ideal for me) which means that the rear 
> center / effective chainstay length gets shorter (bad).  The other two 
> mechanisms allow you to lengthen the later measurement by itself (good).
>
> In case you haven't shopped for off-the-shelf wheel sets lately, boost 
> wheels are now easier to find and do help a tiny bit with drivetrain 
> clearance.  The prospector is still 135 only because it works best with 
> Rohloff.  
>
> FWIW, I have my scapegoat set up with 27x3.25 wheels, 3x drivetrain and 
> full fenders - not 26x4 wheels.
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:48:56 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Another question for you Crust Scapegoat owners... Crust released an 
>> updated version last Fall (https://crustbikes.com/products/scapegoat). 
>> Compared to the Tumbleweed Prospector,  the new Scapegoat has 1.5 degree 
>> steeper head tube angle, 1 degree slacker seat tube angle, and the 
>> wheelbase is 50mm shorter in size L (
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=63613a1388731d001d710fb5,61bf4058e6ec02001cccd3cf,).
>>   
>> There's also the rocker/sliding dropouts of Scapegoat vs standard 
>> dropoust/EBB of the Prospector. And the Prospector's ability to run 135mm 
>> spaced wheels front and back vs Boost spacing of the Scapegoat.
>>
>> The slacker head tube angle of the Prospector makes me think it'd handle 
>> singletrack better than the Scapegoat. Any merit to that? Any other ride 
>> differences you all imagine between the two?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:30 PM UTC-7 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> You guys have it right for ball parking limits based on something in the 
>>> 26x~4" range based on my experience.
>>>
>>> As stated before, my custom Clockwork Dirt Fat 1x (SqT White Industries 
>>> Road Cranks w/76bcd spider & 1x ring) with narrow Deda stays h

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe D.]

Another question for you Crust Scapegoat owners... Crust released an 
updated version last Fall (https://crustbikes.com/products/scapegoat). 
Compared to the Tumbleweed Prospector,  the new Scapegoat has 1.5 degree 
steeper head tube angle, 1 degree slacker seat tube angle, and the 
wheelbase is 50mm shorter in size L 
(https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=63613a1388731d001d710fb5,61bf4058e6ec02001cccd3cf,).
  
There's also the rocker/sliding dropouts of Scapegoat vs standard 
dropoust/EBB of the Prospector. And the Prospector's ability to run 135mm 
spaced wheels front and back vs Boost spacing of the Scapegoat.

The slacker head tube angle of the Prospector makes me think it'd handle 
singletrack better than the Scapegoat. Any merit to that? Any other ride 
differences you all imagine between the two?


On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:03:30 PM UTC-7 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> You guys have it right for ball parking limits based on something in the 
> 26x~4" range based on my experience.
>
> As stated before, my custom Clockwork Dirt Fat 1x (SqT White Industries 
> Road Cranks w/76bcd spider & 1x ring) with narrow Deda stays has a Q of 
> ~180mm and looking at the space needed for tire, space, stays (modern yokes 
> giving a little more here when used), space and arms, 170mm was what I was 
> thinking for theoretical minimum with a SS or Rohloff.  Sounds like Zach is 
> confirming 168mm really pushes that limit.
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-6 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Thanks Zach! The Tumbleweed is definitely appealing, especially with a 29 
>> x 3 dirt tire and 26 x 4 in winter.
>>
>> I wonder if 26 x 4 with reasonably big rims (64mm or full 80mm) would 
>> work with a modified cassette, like the setup Crust bikes talk about here: 
>> https://www.tumblr.com/crustbikes/159521355676/the-stubby-cassette. I'd 
>> be fine with only 5-7 gears. And I think a Q factor closer to 180-185 would 
>> be ok. It sounds like it'd definitely be a no-go at your Q factor of 174.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:23:35 AM UTC-7 Zach Roeder wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using a Shimano XTR M9125-1 with a Q of 174mm on my Rohloff 
>>> Prospector (first generation). With short axle XTR SPD pedals, it feels 
>>> like a 168mm q factor. I've tried several different cranks, and I think 
>>> this is as narrow as you can go. And if you are a super strong rider, maybe 
>>> there's the possibility of the crank hitting the chainstays?
>>>
>>> Clearances are super tight everywhere with 26x4". I'm actually 
>>> considering slightly wider q or smaller tires because I occasionally rub my 
>>> legs on the tires on descents, and it hurts! I love how it pedals for long 
>>> rides though. 
>>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:19 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Laing and Hoch. Once again, confirmed that fatbike Q is more 
>>>> than I care for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:09 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I built a Pugsley years ago with White Industries 
>>>>> cranks and custom BB. The narrowest I could get the Q factor was 183mm. 
>>>>> That is with about 2-3mm crank clearance. Much narrower than stock but 
>>>>> definitely nowhere close to 160. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 10:48:43 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Bob. Others: If any of youse have this information, would be 
>>>>>> very glad to hear it. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:33 PM Bob  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not, sorry to say. Would like to have those data myself. Anyone 
>>>>>>> here have a Prospector, a caliper, and a few minutes to take 
>>>>>>> measurements?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, 
>>>>>>>> Scapegoat, Chimera and Bull Thistle, particularly with a single speed 
>>>>>>>> drivetrain (if any accept a ss drivetrain)? I've stayed away 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe D.]

Thanks Zach! The Tumbleweed is definitely appealing, especially with a 29 x 
3 dirt tire and 26 x 4 in winter.

I wonder if 26 x 4 with reasonably big rims (64mm or full 80mm) would work 
with a modified cassette, like the setup Crust bikes talk about 
here: https://www.tumblr.com/crustbikes/159521355676/the-stubby-cassette. 
I'd be fine with only 5-7 gears. And I think a Q factor closer to 180-185 
would be ok. It sounds like it'd definitely be a no-go at your Q factor of 
174.

Thanks!



On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:23:35 AM UTC-7 Zach Roeder wrote:

> I'm using a Shimano XTR M9125-1 with a Q of 174mm on my Rohloff Prospector 
> (first generation). With short axle XTR SPD pedals, it feels like a 168mm q 
> factor. I've tried several different cranks, and I think this is as narrow 
> as you can go. And if you are a super strong rider, maybe there's the 
> possibility of the crank hitting the chainstays?
>
> Clearances are super tight everywhere with 26x4". I'm actually considering 
> slightly wider q or smaller tires because I occasionally rub my legs on the 
> tires on descents, and it hurts! I love how it pedals for long rides 
> though. 
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:19 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks Laing and Hoch. Once again, confirmed that fatbike Q is more than 
>> I care for.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:09 PM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>>> For reference, I built a Pugsley years ago with White Industries cranks 
>>> and custom BB. The narrowest I could get the Q factor was 183mm. That is 
>>> with about 2-3mm crank clearance. Much narrower than stock but definitely 
>>> nowhere close to 160. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 10:48:43 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Bob. Others: If any of youse have this information, would be 
 very glad to hear it. Thanks.

 On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:33 PM Bob  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I do not, sorry to say. Would like to have those data myself. Anyone 
> here have a Prospector, a caliper, and a few minutes to take measurements?
>
> --
> Bob
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, 
>> Scapegoat, Chimera and Bull Thistle, particularly with a single speed 
>> drivetrain (if any accept a ss drivetrain)? I've stayed away from 
>> Pugsleys 
>> etc because of the Q but if one can be built as a ss with a Q of no more 
>> than 160 I'd be very interested for our local sandy trails. As it is, 
>> I've 
>> been thinking of a 29er+ replacement for my Monocog 29er on which the 
>> rear 
>> 71 mm WTB ranger rubs the stays in corners but fat would be even better 
>> if 
>> the Q could be sorted. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe D.]

angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!
>
> I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.
>
> --
> Bob
>
> P.S. Maybe the most Rivesque fatbike would be an early Pugsley, when they 
> still had cantilever studs and Large Marge rim-brake-compatible rims. (See 
> Rivendell Reader 39 from 2007.)
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:21:16 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on 
>> picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride 
>> characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long 
>> wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).
>>
>> The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 
>> inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with 
>> studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in 
>> addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, 
>> I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d 
>> love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail 
>> use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for 
>> a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year 
>> off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. 
>>
>> How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state 
>> got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain 
>> stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo 
>> bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling 
>> my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the 
>> crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally 
>> manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my 
>> bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back 
>> bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves 
>> chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.
>>
>> For reference, scroll down here (
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
>>  
>> and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, 
>> both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, 
>> consider these two models (
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
>>  
>> The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its 
>> sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still 
>> long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It 
>> achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way 
>> out front.
>>
>> Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay 
>> length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a 
>> more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with 
>> the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.
>>
>> Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get 
>> me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other 
>> fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than 
>> geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few 
>> chromoly fat bikes.
>>
>> (Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy 
>> discussion)
>>
>> - Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe D.]

Just wanted to say thanks for the insights everyone. I posted a longer 
reply a few days ago that still awaiting the moderator (I guess?) but I 
just wanted to say thanks in the meantime...

Joe

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:12:33 PM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joe,
>
> The final iteration of Surly's Pugsley had 460 mm chainstays and accepted 
> 4.8 in. tires "with drivetrain restrictions." It also had a 72° seat tube 
> angle, which would feel a little more relaxed and Rivish than the steeper 
> angles on MTBs these days.
>
> The Tumbleweed Prospector and the Crust Scapegoat max out at 4.0 in. 
> tires, I think, but have 73 mm bottom brackets for a more comfortable Q 
> factor. (I ride a Pugsley, and have a limited tolerance for the 200 mm Q 
> factor.)
>
> If you go custom, Myth Cycles in Durango CO has the Chimera (
> https://mythcycles.com/bikes/chimera/). The listed geometry is shorter in 
> chainstay and wheelbase than you want, evidently the design allows a 
> narrower Q than usual for a fatbike while also accommodating 4.8 in. tires.
>
> That Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, though… wow. They present it as a 
> drop-bar-specific design, but the top tube and reach are long enough to 
> work with an upright bar, I think. Limited to 4.0 in. tires, but the bottom 
> bracket is 83 mm so the Q factor will be narrower than most fatbikes. The 
> angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!
>
> I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.
>
> --
> Bob
>
> P.S. Maybe the most Rivesque fatbike would be an early Pugsley, when they 
> still had cantilever studs and Large Marge rim-brake-compatible rims. (See 
> Rivendell Reader 39 from 2007.)
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:21:16 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on 
>> picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride 
>> characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long 
>> wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).
>>
>> The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 
>> inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with 
>> studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in 
>> addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, 
>> I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d 
>> love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail 
>> use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for 
>> a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year 
>> off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. 
>>
>> How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state 
>> got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain 
>> stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo 
>> bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling 
>> my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the 
>> crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally 
>> manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my 
>> bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back 
>> bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves 
>> chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.
>>
>> For reference, scroll down here (
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
>>  
>> and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, 
>> both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, 
>> consider these two models (
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
>>  
>> The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its 
>> sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still 
>> long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It 
>> achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way 
>> out front.
>>
>> Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay 
>> length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a 
>> more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with 
>> the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.
>>
>> Any tips on wh

[RBW] Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe D.]

Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on 
picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride 
characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long 
wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).

The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 
inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with 
studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in 
addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, 
I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d 
love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail 
use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for 
a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year 
off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. 

How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state 
got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain 
stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo 
bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling my 
two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the crazy 
long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally 
manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my 
bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back 
bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves 
chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.

For reference, scroll down here 
(https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
 
and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, 
both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, 
consider these two models 
(https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
 
The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its 
sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still 
long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It 
achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way 
out front.

Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay 
length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a 
more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with 
the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.

Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get 
me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other 
fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than 
geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few 
chromoly fat bikes.

(Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy 
discussion)

- Joe

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