Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Mark C]

Still available when I checked a couple days ago. I wish I could make it 
work for me. 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:13 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I wish I needed another bike!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Nathan F  wrote:
>
>  
>
> I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime 
> Olive” color.
>
> There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because 
> I don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how 
> I built it if you're looking for some inspiration 
> .
>
> It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS 
> headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and 
> mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, 
> the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the 
> dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.
>
> BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the 
> accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the 
> original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for 
> them.
>
> Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 
>
> I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local 
> delivery!). 
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Mark C]

Oddly enough, I had the same experience with my Rosco Platypus. The 
seatpost bolt was very tight to turn, but worked sort of okay for almost a 
week through a few adjustments due to trying different saddles. Then as I 
was turning onto my street after a ride, the seatpost slammed down. The 
bolt still seemed to be tight, but I finally marked it and could see that 
it wasn't turning in the nut even though the bolt turned with difficulty. 
Then, as I was suspecting and sort of hoping, the bolt broke. I never found 
the nut so don't know what was up there, but it sure seemed like the 
threads slipped enough to jam. I don't know how else the post would 
suddenly slip and the bolt still feel very tight. It was such a freak thing 
I didn't mention it, but now I hear of another case.
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:31:11 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> An update on my build experience so far - the derailleur hanger on my 
> frame was fine, no adjustment to alignment needed. No chasing needed on the 
> hanger threads either. The bottom bracket threads were also fine and the 
> cups threaded in smoothly. The most time consuming part so far has been 
> chasing the threads on the fork crown braze-ons - it took a while to get 
> them cleaned out and accept a screw smoothly. I've never acquired chasing 
> taps so I've always just used a steel screw, working it in and out until 
> the threads are clear. I've seen thread clearing tools made using a 
> sacrificial screw with a slot cut along the length of the threads to allow 
> material to clear while threading it, which probably would've made it go 
> faster.
>
> Out of the box, I noticed the seat collar binder bolt was oddly resistant 
> to turn in either direction; it took an unusual amount of force to get it 
> to tighten and the post still had play. Then while trying to loosen the 
> bolt it snapped in the middle of the shaft. After taking the two halves of 
> the bolt out, I found the nylock nut was bound to the end of the bolt and I 
> was unable to turn it loose using vice grips and a socket wrench. I 
> replaced the bolt with a new stainless M6 x 20mm and a standard, 
> non-locking, M6 nut (with some blue loctite on the bolt). Now everything 
> tightens up (and loosens again) as expected.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:20:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I got some Shimano levers for my internal gear bikes from Peter White 
>> that have two position cable attachments for normal or linear brakes. The 
>> right side lever has an integrated thumb shifter for the 8 speed Shimano 
>> hub. I don't know if a non-integrated right lever exists.
>>
>> The Paul Cross-Lever can also be used with either style of brake by 
>> repositioning the pivot pin.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:45:05 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Scott.  That helps a lot.
>>> I’m going for Tektro linear pull V-brakes, but no decision on levers yet.
>>> I like the adjustable pull on those levers, though.  I hadn’t run into 
>>> that before.
>>>
>>> I’m not trying to hijack this thread, but “Who is getting a Platypus”? 
>>> implies “and how are you going to build it up?”
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

[Mark C]

I think I said it backwards, and Joe got it right about stem extension. The 
Albatross needs less extension than bars like the Bosco, but  more than the 
Noodle. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
> cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
> bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
> stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

[Mark C]

I think I said it backwards, and Joe got it right about stem extension. The 
Albatross needs less extension than bars like the Bosco, but maybe more 
than the Noodle. 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
> cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
> bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
> stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

[Mark C]

Albatross is great for what you are talking about; that was pretty much 
what it was designed for. I bought the original CroMo version when if first 
came out and liked it but did go back to the Noodle bar for general use 
then. Now I like more upright and the Albatross was designed to get you 
there. You'll want a shorter stem, and I would want a taller one too. I'd 
want something like a Dirtdrop, but there are other choices now too.

Here's a quote from Rivendell about upright bars: "*Rule out an Albatross 
before considering any other bar."*
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/bars-and-tape
The longer top tube bikes now open a lot of possibilities, but the 
Albatross is hard to beat for what you are wanting on a Rambouillet. You 
will need brakes and shifters (unless you have barends), but I personally 
like that combination better that road levers on an upright bar. I always 
ran downtube shifters on my Rambouillet which made the bar swap easier, but 
I do really like the inside out thumbshifter setups they use a lot now. 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Not a Ram owner...but to get a bit more upright , have you considered 
> something like Albastache/moustache bars to split the difference  and keep 
> existing shifters and brakes?
>
> My PX-10 is a road bike but switching to moustache (which I've always 
> liked anyway) worked for me (as someone turning 70 this December)
>
> That being said, I don't see why going to Albatross on a Ram couldn't work
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:52:55 AM UTC-6 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Mark C]

The Platypus sounds perfect for you. I got the Rosco Platypus with the same 
geometry and am amazed at how versatile it is. It is turning into my 
favorite mountain bike, and for everything else too. Yes, the "top tube" is 
shorter than the Gus, but far longer than most bikes. I was surprised that 
I needed about a 110 stem extension, but that is with Bosco bars; you 
should be able to use about anything on a Platypus with the right stem, at 
least if you don't buy too small a size. 

The other big thing is bottom bracket height (drop). You don't need the 
higher bottom bracket, and I certainly prefer the lower one. If you do 
still want the longer reach and longer wheelbase, it would be worth 
conidering the Clem too.
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:00:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This will be interesting to watch. I’ve not ridden either but; Platy is 
> prettier (lugs), a true step through (bonus!), maybe a bit lighter, in 
> stock, less $$ & on paper more “roadish”. But, extra long wheelbase of 
> Gus/Suzie might give an even smoother ride, along with bigger rubber. I 
> assume the bottom bracket is lower on the Platy - again more roadish. Can’t 
> go wrong…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Jacob Byard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or 
> other always came up. 
>
> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved 
> country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff 
> is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike 
> with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride. 
>
> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town 
> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding 
> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>
> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the 
> Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a 
> fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last 
> year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>
> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road as 
> the Platypus?  
>
> Thanks for the help! 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mark C]

It is interesting to read how much our individual situations vary. I'm 
lucky to live where bike theft isn't a big deal. I know one friend who had 
a bike stolen in the past many years. He left it unlocked on the his back 
porch. Then another friend spotted someone riding it on the rail trail and 
got it returned. I'm not meaning to minimize others situations; it sounds 
awful having to worry about theft all the time and having to carry bulky 
locks.

I pick up strays (bikes) way too often and have been trying to get rid of 
extras lately, but I've kept a few beater bikes around. It is fun to ride 
the old Raleigh 3 speed once in a while. Until I got my Rosco Platypus I 
also put a lot  of time on my old mountain bikes on my daily neighborhood 
rides. Now the Rosco gets almost all the riding. When I finally get some 
wider rims (so that I can get wider tires), the Rosco can pretty much 
replace my mountain bikes. 

But someone else mentioned the big, big deal for me that doesn't seem to 
impact most people - road salt. It is hilly here and they really cover the 
roads with salt. I keep at least one sacrificial bike for those days, and 
even then try to stay out of the resulting salt river on the roads. If it 
weren't for that, I'd intended my Rosco to effectively be my beater bike, 
plus my do-everything bike. Still, it is just fun to have some variety, 
though the bar for fun bikes has been raised since the Rosco arrived.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:25:22 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> I've often wondered how frustrating it is for Grant.  So many of his bikes 
> end up as garage ornaments.   I've tried to explain to interested people 
> that the fancy lugs and paint get our attention, but the geometry, ride and 
> handling are what keep us on the bikes.   My '87 Trek has nice lugs and 
> looks cool,  but it hands in the garage while the Rivs get the play.   I've 
> used my Hunq for everything six is why I'm on my 4th set of fenders and 3rd 
> paint job. The Sam gets better treatment but several recreational rides a 
> week.   I don't mind locking either at a store, restaurant or bar with a 
> really, really good lock,  but do have a Soma Buena Vista I use for daily 
> commuting and a cheap aluminum mtb to use here in Michigan during the 
> winter.   Despite the practical choices I've given myself,  the Rivs get 
> the play time. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:57:50 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> When I was living in Alberta, I had an art studio near a bottle depot. We 
>> had a lot of houseless folks in the area for that reason. We were pretty 
>> good pals with some of the regulars and we had some very interesting 
>> conversations about bike thief's. The main points i remember that i use as 
>> general rules: 
>>
>> 1. bikes and parts that can be bartered - 26" wheels are hot. old 
>> mountain bikes. anything with QR. Any seat is in danger. 
>> 2. Convenience - anything that can be swiped or taken off easy. (QR) 
>> Leaving a bike "for a moment" etc. Leaving a bike in a dark corner street 
>> late at night. Leaving it alone draws attention. Riding your carbon roadie 
>> and leaving it outside the shop to grab an espresso - its gone. Parking 
>> your bike in the same spot every single day makes it easy for more 
>> organized thief's. 
>> 3. Making it inconvenient means locking well lit high foot traffic zones, 
>> near spaces where other cyclists lock up (we kinda watch out for suspect 
>> behavior) coffee shops. bike shops. bars can be OK as there are often 
>> smokers outside etc. other social sort of spaces. 
>> 4. if somebody really wants it, they'll find a way. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock 
>>> them up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music 
>>> festival, like Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for 
>>> those things.
>>>
>>> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put 
>>> away wet.  Grant needent fret.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin suburbs, TX
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
 to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
 sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
 instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
 tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
 not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
 who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
 the bike for?

 I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
 bought it to ride it, but I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Mark C]

I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. 
The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use 
theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like 
on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the 
stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could 
easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for 
keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
while on the stand! - not a good idea.



On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a pretty 
> good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered to put 
> the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly ridden and 
> has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>
> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight 
> it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m 
> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>
> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I 
> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
>
> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that bike 
>> just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
>> process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands are 
>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
>> selling them. 
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I just 
>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 浪
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 

 On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
 screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
 you ever screwed it down that hard. 


 A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
 tight. 

 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
> that 
> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
> Bars! 
> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if 
> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
> worth.)
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>
> Save the plate! Add some weight!
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>
>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>> both is this: 
>>
>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>> I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on 
>> the 
>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the 
>> bike 
>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand 
>> wants 
>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will 
>> let 
>> you 

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Mark C]

My Rosco Platypus came with the fork off, but lots of extra packing added 
to the box by Rivendell. I ordered the Park derailleur alignment tool since 
that is the bike shop standard and not that much money. I was surprised how 
far the tab was out of alignment, but it was no big deal to put it right. 
It is probably a good idea to watch a couple videos if you haven't seen one 
used before. It took me a little longer than expected to finish putting 
mine together since I had a lot of parts decisions to sort out, but got to 
ride it the day after the frame arrived. These are amazing bikes.

BTW, I really like how Will routed the rear brake cable on his Platypus 
more or less straight to the V brake noodle instead of going up then down, 
so I did something similar. I'm surprised this isn't the standard build 
now. You can just barely see it with the staff bike pictures on their site.
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/wills-60cm-platypus
I ran just a bit longer housing at the rear and decided that needed a wire 
tie or twine to bring it closer to the frame. Will's looks shorter/tighter 
and probably didn't need that.

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> There is one on Amazon for 37.50 that is a clone of the Park:
>
> [image: tool.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:47:19 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you  Laing for the derailleur hanger alignment tool tip. I think 
>> I'll order this one from Nashbar, only $54.95.
>>
>>
>> https://www.nashbar.com/super-b-derailleur-hanger-alignment-gauge-silver-tb-1946/p1398199?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqoibBhDUARIsAH2OpWgTQxYdht-0vbnpE-So3anrX8FnoYvXu0tfPrjzHaAV72CFexJOtlkaAtXGEALw_wcB
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> An Instagram update from yesterday shows Platypus frames are being 
>>> packed and shipped!
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ckbmiz_S5GB/
>>>
>>> Anyone get a shipping notification for theirs yet?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Scott

 AFAIK RBW had stated in the newsletter that they do not want to open 
 the box just to check it sicne they need to ship it in another box.  One 
 can see their logic, especially since they are handling many more frames 
 than 5 years ago, and can't/don't have the time to check them or feel the 
 level of service they provided in the past is just unattainable now,

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:14:06 AM UTC-4 Scott wrote:

> Joe:
>
> I talked to Riv earlier this week about purchasing an Atlantis and 
> posed a few questions about F/F prep. I'm not here to make a blanket 
> statement about how all F/F are handled before they depart Riv, but I was 
> told they receive the Atlantis F/F with headset already installed and 
> that 
> a F/F I purchase would not have the hanger checked/aligned before sent to 
> me. My "guess" is they may not even unpack the F/F when they receive it. 
> There wouldn't be any reason for them to open it up, if nothing is to be 
> done on F/F. Maybe they are so busy it's easier to just place a new 
> shipping label on the box and out it goes. I live in rural Montana and am 
> a 
> little bummed I have to travel a good distance just to ensure hanger is 
> properly aligned after spending $1750 on a new baby. And I would doubt 
> the 
> threads are chased.
>
> Nothing whatsoever against Riv, just an observation. Seems it should 
> be part of the frame making process to quickly verify proper hanger 
> position somewhere between frame build completion and paint. I'm going to 
> travel and pay to have it done, anyways.
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 08:21:39 PM MDT, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they 
> are with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I 
> knew I still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the 
> threads 
> and check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>
> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up 
> on 
> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the 
> Platypus 
> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a 
> mixte 
> type road bike.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and 

[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

I was just looking at the Rivendell site and see that the mid sizes is 
actually 54 and 57, not 54 and 58, and that the 57 would be fine for me. I 
think some info in this thread might be from a previous run. 

Just didn't want to be spreading bad info. The bike is still lovely and 
very tempting.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Oh my, that is pretty. It may even beat out the creamsicle Rambouillet for 
prettiest Rivendell, at least to my taste. I take it I've missed the 
presale now. I was struggling with size; it is hard for me to imagine 
getting a 54" when my other Rivs are 60 to 62. The sizing of the Susie feel 
in a perfect place for me, but just couldn't convince myself I needed that 
bike. And the Appaloosa is really still more bike than I need, but that 
picture might have swayed me. I assume they ordered the bikes, and picked 
the color, but did not have a picture yet of the finished product.

For now I think I'm back to finding the biggest tire I can fit on my 
Rambouillet. 

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[RBW] Re: Tips for mounting tubeless tires with tubes

[Mark C]

Thinner rim tape can really help with a tight tire/rim combination. I 
prefer Velox rim tape, but have one set of 26" wheels that are nearly 
impossible to mount tires on.  Switching to a thin plastic rim strip made 
them doable. These were just some cheapies I had around, but I picked up a 
Schwalbe branded version at our bike co-op just in case I ever encounter 
this frustration again. I believe those are readily available and seem to 
be good quality. The plastic probably is a bit slicker too, which might 
contribute a bit.

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I put the new tubeless (thus too tight) tire into the blood groove (bottom 
> of the rim well), and that makes it possible, but invariably with a brand 
> new, not yet stretched tire, using the tire iron to leverage that last bit 
> over the rim runs a 50/50 chance of slicing the tube (I leave it partially 
> inflated to help it get out the way, but sometimes it seems to wiggle 
> back). Any tips for not destroying tubes at this juncture?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Thank you for the kind offer. I'm in West Virginia, but not all that far 
from Pittsburgh, PA. I know I've seen one poster from Pittsburgh on here, 
but think he has pretty much the same bikes as I do.

Joe,
I think your approach is sound. Both the Susie and Appaloosa are available 
in orange, and I'm never regretted any orange bike I've bought.

Mark

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 1:58:43 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> Mark and Chris,
>
> I think my Joe A is a 1st gen--it's 2016 model and you're welcome to test 
> it out if you're in Philadelphia area.  51 cm.  
>
> I'm planning on flying out to test the new Chev.  Of course, my sister and 
> BBDD both live in NV, so my actual trip is to NV with a side trip to Riv.  
> :)
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-5, Mark C wrote:
>>
>> Trying one out is really what I'd like to do. I've thought about flying 
>> out to Riv to try bikes and ride the local trails. I think it is rainy 
>> there now, plus I probably won't actually go through with the necessary 
>> flying.
>>
>> Susie was actually what I was thinking after talking to Grant a couple 
>> months ago. I have very limited use for a more stout bike so that seemed 
>> like it might be a decent compromise. If I just needed a bike I'd pick one 
>> and give it a go, but what I really need is less bikes.
>>
>> I have been experimenting with older mountain bikes this winter and that 
>> is proving to be a real learning experience, but the bikes I have are 
>> working fine for that. My interest is mostly in an all rounder with more 
>> tire clearance and longer stays. It is only on the roughest rides that I 
>> desire anything more than the Rambouillet, and I imagine that is less than 
>> 1% of my riding. I think riding the choices would be the only way I could 
>> ever decide. The only other Rivendell I've seen around here is a friends 
>> new'ish Homer, and I won't even get a chance to try that before summer. 
>> That bike, plus my two rough rides of the year, sort of started this quest, 
>> though I have been intrigued by the Clem for a couple years. 
>>
>> I'm kind of sorry I missed the Susie pre-order sale, and will probably be 
>> sorry if I miss the Appaloosa sale. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:56:56 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark C,
>>>
>>> I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
>>> general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
>>> load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
>>> lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
>>> from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Trying one out is really what I'd like to do. I've thought about flying out 
to Riv to try bikes and ride the local trails. I think it is rainy there 
now, plus I probably won't actually go through with the necessary flying.

Susie was actually what I was thinking after talking to Grant a couple 
months ago. I have very limited use for a more stout bike so that seemed 
like it might be a decent compromise. If I just needed a bike I'd pick one 
and give it a go, but what I really need is less bikes.

I have been experimenting with older mountain bikes this winter and that is 
proving to be a real learning experience, but the bikes I have are working 
fine for that. My interest is mostly in an all rounder with more tire 
clearance and longer stays. It is only on the roughest rides that I desire 
anything more than the Rambouillet, and I imagine that is less than 1% of 
my riding. I think riding the choices would be the only way I could ever 
decide. The only other Rivendell I've seen around here is a friends new'ish 
Homer, and I won't even get a chance to try that before summer. That bike, 
plus my two rough rides of the year, sort of started this quest, though I 
have been intrigued by the Clem for a couple years. 

I'm kind of sorry I missed the Susie pre-order sale, and will probably be 
sorry if I miss the Appaloosa sale. 

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:56:56 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Mark C,
>
> I consider the Appaloosa, Gus (not Susie) and Clem to all be in the same 
> general "pretty stout" category. If you want a long-stay bike which you can 
> load up and bash over bump and root, I say pick your color and 
> lug/TIG/fillet preference and go have some fun. They're quite different 
> from those Rambouillets and worth trying out, IMO. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

Lint catcher!  And probably other errors. I'm new here and used to being 
able to edit posts on other forums but can't seem to find that here. The 
errors always just jump out after I see the post live. Oh well, probably 
better entertainment value.

Mark

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark C]

I'm enjoying the way this thread has gone, but then I am thinking of an 
Appaloosa, and do air dry most of my clothes.

I strongly prefer the stiffer feel of shirts and pants (all kinds) when air 
dried but my wife does not, so it is going to be a personal preference. 
That soft fluffy feel from the clothes drier just feels like damage to me. 
Look at what comes out of the link catcher. Plus the heat. Still, it would 
be a bit of work to live without the convenience of our 30 year old dryer, 
though it only gets used for towels, underwear, and bedding. That is mostly 
for convenience. And it would be a lot of work and real estate to handle a 
larger families clothing.

I really would like to try one of Grant's long wheelbase designs and like 
the looks of the Appaloosa but I just go around in circles deciding. I 
think the biggest issue is that my two Rambouillets have been such nearly 
ideal bikes for so long now. I don't need more weight carrying or 
durability, but am interested in the longer wheelbase ride I remember from 
early mountain bikes, plus a bit more tire clearance. The Appaloosa is very 
appealing, but then so are the new Hillibikes, and the descendants of my 
Rambouillet. And the Clem, though I'm now leaning leaner.

I guess a bigger garage must be the correct answer. 

Carry on with this interesting discussion.

Mark

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Mark C]

Leah and Joe, thanks for the advice and the welcome. Sorry about the weird 
lag in posting and replying, but I was new so my first post took a day and 
a half to appear. I emailed cyclofiend and think I'm good to go now. 

Yes, I did know of a 52, but not sure if it is still available and I'm 
still a bit befuddled by the choices. I do like the new geometry, so that 
narrows the used market down.

I think Rivendell got the new geometry for the Clem sorted out on their 
chart (initially had some numbers switched around, and some other models 
still looked suspect last I saw). I haven't done the math but am surprised 
you need to go down to a 50 or 60 stem. I need to do the math for myself 
now, but more complicated because I'm going from Albatross bars on my 
Rambouillet to Boscos.

I will say that when you are used to a bike any change is really 
noticeable. I'd notice the too long stem on my Rambouillet whenever I'd 
been riding another bike. After a half mile or so I'd just quit noticing 
and ride it as happily as my other bikes. I did recently get around to 
fixing it after 16 years, though that was really due to switching from 
drops to upright bars.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread more, so will try to post a new 
thread with my Clem fit and gearing questions.

Mark

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 7:38:06 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Hi Mark! 
>
> I’m so excited for you to get a Clem. Is there a 52 available for you 
> somewhere? Clems really are great bikes; dead useful and so comfortable. 
> And with the cream accents and gorgeous color and fancy seat lug, they’re 
> fancy in their own right. 
>
> I suspect you COULD ride that 52. Joe Bernard might speak to the 
> measurements (because he’s been helping me figure out what the heck is 
> going on via Instagram) for us. This bike is just much larger than the 
> Clementine, which would be just the ticket for you. I probably could have 
> ridden the 45 in the new iteration. The stem was a 12 and now I’ll be 
> installing a 5 or 6. The 9 just wasn’t close enough for my liking. This is 
> good news for you!!! Let’s find you a 52!
>
> PS these bikes are hot stuff, so if you take your chance on a 52 and 
> decide you’d have preferred a 59, you’ll have no trouble selling.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Mark C > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Leah,
>
> This is my first post, but I've been following your Clem adventures and 
> the other Clem talk here. I'm glad you got the fit issue worked out.
>
> I've wanted a Clem for a while now and almost bought the web special 59, 
> but really like this new geometry, so decided to wait (plus wanting 
> something more colorful than the Grilver - pretty as it is). Seeing your 
> bike, I wonder if a 52 in the new geometry might be fine for me with a 30" 
> saddle height (pbh about 88). I was concerned about the amount of stem 
> extension I'd need, but it looks like I'd be fine and also have a more 
> useful loaner size.
>
> I don't think that the seat tube angle changed, so you probably want to 
> make your adjustments with the stem if possible. As you know, changing the 
> saddle will change your position over the pedals, which I suppose could be 
> better, or worse. For my part, I always have a Brooks jammed back as far as 
> it can go, but everybody is different. The Clem might finally give me 
> enough room to scoot back as far as I want.
>
> Keep posting your Clem enthusiasm; it's contagious.
>
> Mark
>
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[RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Mark C]

Hi Leah,

This is my first post, but I've been following your Clem adventures and the 
other Clem talk here. I'm glad you got the fit issue worked out.

I've wanted a Clem for a while now and almost bought the web special 59, 
but really like this new geometry, so decided to wait (plus wanting 
something more colorful than the Grilver - pretty as it is). Seeing your 
bike, I wonder if a 52 in the new geometry might be fine for me with a 30" 
saddle height (pbh about 88). I was concerned about the amount of stem 
extension I'd need, but it looks like I'd be fine and also have a more 
useful loaner size.

I don't think that the seat tube angle changed, so you probably want to 
make your adjustments with the stem if possible. As you know, changing the 
saddle will change your position over the pedals, which I suppose could be 
better, or worse. For my part, I always have a Brooks jammed back as far as 
it can go, but everybody is different. The Clem might finally give me 
enough room to scoot back as far as I want.

Keep posting your Clem enthusiasm; it's contagious.

Mark


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