[RBW] Re: 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

2020-04-21 Thread Matt Dreher
The Brits have a few left, and for cheap: 
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYPANS/nifty-swifty-wire-tyre

But otherwise 38's the smallest they come in tanwall. You might also find 
some Grand Bois'es left over someplace.

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I see Riv sells the Continental basketball tire at 650b x 32, and that 
> tire is surely a good one, but I wonder if there are any other roadish 
> tires availble in 650b x 32 - 35 range for that small Roadini.
>
> Panaraer Nifty Swifty's would be perfect, but they don't seem to be 
> available anymore.
>
> I know this is a first-world problem, but tan sidewalls look a little 
> nicer to me than the all-black basketball tires. 
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

2020-04-21 Thread Matt Dreher
I've harped a lot about my travails with my 61 Roadini on here and on iBOB, 
and having just sold it I may as well bring it up for the last time because 
I think it's important to know why you love something.

What makes the Roadini so special is the chainstay length, running from 45 
to 46cm and rising 5mm every size. Mine didn't work out for me because I 
started wanting to take a very un-Rivendell fit with my bars about level 
with the saddle and a 100mm stem. That put my center of mass way further 
forward than it would otherwise, which I found had really adverse effects 
on my handling. Small position changes like avoiding potholes felt like 
they were two consecutive motions instead of one and I felt my rear 
reaching its limit of traction under hard cornering too easily. After I got 
a bike with 41.5 stays I realized that that's what was going on, I was 
taking a position that loaded up my front wheel more and took too much 
weight off the back than what Grant was designing for.

That's also what makes it so good for a position that puts your bars 
significantly higher than the saddle. If I were to try that upright 
Rivendell position on that 41.5-stay bike it would feel awful, far too 
light in the front because there's so much weight on the rear wheel. With 
the Roadini taking an upright position is fine because the geometry lets 
you maintain a neutral weight distribution and good handling.

I'm not sorry I owned it, it was a wonderful bike and it taught me a lot 
about how geometry can imply a certain fit. Glad you're all enjoying yours 
so much!

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:56:29 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: sturdy wheelset, 61cm Roadini frame, Gravelking EXTs, Brooks C15, handlebar bag, etc.

2020-04-21 Thread Matt Dreher
Frame un-tentatively sold! Rest's still hanging around, though.

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:04:04 AM UTC-5, Matt Dreher wrote:
>
> Brooks is sold. Frame tentatively sold as well.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: sturdy wheelset, 61cm Roadini frame, Gravelking EXTs, Brooks C15, handlebar bag, etc.

2020-04-21 Thread Matt Dreher
Brooks is sold. Frame tentatively sold as well.

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[RBW] Re: FS: sturdy wheelset, 61cm Roadini frame, Gravelking EXTs, Brooks C15, handlebar bag, etc.

2020-04-20 Thread Matt Dreher
Frame remains unsold!

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:11:32 PM UTC-5, Matt Dreher wrote:
>
> Some riv-ish (like the frame, obviously), some not, but I still think it 
> belongs here. Feel free to make an offer, particularly if you want to buy 
> multiple things along with the frame. I've been trying to sell the thing 
> but nobody's quite biting yet... pictures of everything on request. 
> Shipping included.
>
>
>- 2x Gravelking EXT, 700x35 brownwall, very lightly used: $50 for the 
>pair
>- Wheelset: 700c Alexrims G6000 on RS400 (Tiagra) hubs, 36-spoke front 
>and rear, all-silver: $120
>- Brooks Cambium C15 carved, dark grey: $40
>- Fizik Antares FSX, chartreuse/purple test saddle: $30
>- Nitto B136 bars, 26.0 clamp, 40cm: $35
>- Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleur, new Shimano pulleys, like-new 
>condition: $40
>- Blackburn Wayside handlebar bag, used: $25
>- La Vie Claire "Mondrian" jersey replica from onlinecyclinggear.com, 
>2XL, lightly used: $20
>- Rivendell Roadini frame/fork/headset/seatpost, 61cm, normal wear 
>from a year's use but slightly crunchy headset: $500
>
>

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[RBW] FS: sturdy wheelset, 61cm Roadini frame, Gravelking EXTs, Brooks C15, handlebar bag, etc.

2020-04-20 Thread Matt Dreher


Some riv-ish (like the frame, obviously), some not, but I still think it 
belongs here. Feel free to make an offer, particularly if you want to buy 
multiple things along with the frame. I've been trying to sell the thing 
but nobody's quite biting yet... pictures of everything on request. 
Shipping included.


   - 2x Gravelking EXT, 700x35 brownwall, very lightly used: $50 for the 
   pair
   - Wheelset: 700c Alexrims G6000 on RS400 (Tiagra) hubs, 36-spoke front 
   and rear, all-silver: $120
   - Brooks Cambium C15 carved, dark grey: $40
   - Fizik Antares FSX, chartreuse/purple test saddle: $30
   - Nitto B136 bars, 26.0 clamp, 40cm: $35
   - Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleur, new Shimano pulleys, like-new 
   condition: $40
   - Blackburn Wayside handlebar bag, used: $25
   - La Vie Claire "Mondrian" jersey replica from onlinecyclinggear.com, 
   2XL, lightly used: $20
   - Rivendell Roadini frame/fork/headset/seatpost, 61cm, normal wear from 
   a year's use but slightly crunchy headset: $500

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[RBW] Re: Tires

2020-01-10 Thread Matt Dreher
If you find that Compasses end up too fragile and expensive for your taste 
I highly recommend Panaracer's other tires, as they are Compass' 
manufacturer and many elements of them show up in cheaper tires. 

The Pasela is a regular mostly slick road tread with a very thin, flexible 
sidewall similar to Compass' regular casings and the Gravelking slick is a 
file tread with a less flexible but still supple reinforced sidewall 
comparable to the Endurance casings on newer Compass tires.

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 2:43:23 PM UTC-6, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> In the winter I run narrower tires because of fenders and I'm currently 
> using Jack Brown Blue. I really like Compass tires and have not tried the 
> Compass tires in the same width. I ride mixed surfaces but mostly pavement. 
> If you have what did you think and which model?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-09 Thread Matt Dreher
Whoops, didn't see this before the reply went through.

Yes, chainstays aren't the whole story. Front end geometry is a big deal 
for sure but in turns above 20mph where the wheel is deflected less I think 
the other elements of the geometry start to make themselves known. Not 
scientific, just a certain feeling I get,

Well, here'll be an interesting experiment. I'm currently building up a 
43cm Black Mtn. Monstercross. As you can see from bikeinsights here 
<https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries[]=5bb29e327581960016665a33[]=5a1e39d43db1cb0014c51ab4[]=[]=>
 
it has 43cm stays, 17mm higher bottom bracket, but a pretty similar 
front-end geometry with slightly higher trail. I'll be migrating the 
wheelset from my Roadini so it'll be as neutral a comparison as one can 
really get without making a whole new frame.

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 3:36:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Matt: First, this is a question, not a contradiction
>
> I don't doubt that significantly lengthening chainstays affects ride, but 
> do a couple of cm in the stays affect steering as much as you say? I ask 
> because I've had several (6 -- I keep updating this number; at least 6 ) 
> bikes with 44-45 cm stays, and many others with 42-43 cm stays, and at 
> least as far as my memories go, I don't recall that all the longer stayed 
> bikes were slower to turn than all of the shorter stayed bikes; or that all 
> the shorter stayed bikes were faster than all the etc etc. In fact, some of 
> the longer stayed bikes turned more quickly -- "felt more nimble" -- while 
> at least 1 of the short-stayed bikes (and, come to think of it, this one 
> may have had 40 or 39 cm stays -- old Schwinn Tempon; could cram a 25mm 
> tire in there only after taking a gentle hammer to the st bridge) handled 
> very sweetly; better, or at least more to my taste, than 2 of those with 
> 44/45 stays, and some with 42 cm stays handled more sedately than others 
> with the longer stays.
>
> Comparing all of these bikes in memory (well, not entirely in memory, 
> since I still have 2 of the 44/45s), their handling is all over the place, 
> so cs length is apparently not a sole determining factor in overall 
> handling experience. Other factors in my own experience are wheel diameter, 
> head angle, wheel weight, and tire width.
>
> Funny: I owned a first edition Sam Hill, and that did indeed exhibit the 
> "swoopy" feel that someone else described, but IMO, too much so, in that, 
> while it "carved a turn" so very nicely, once it was in the turn, it was 
> hard to adjust your line -- a quality that I did not like, as exhibited on 
> that bike. OTOH, one reason I didn't like the Herse was that it *didn't* 
> "carve a turn" as much as I like; it felt vague in turns. My 2 remaining 
> custom Roads give me, at least, exactly the balance between "natural" turn 
> in and "ease of adjustment." My first custom Road was *very slightly* too 
> twitchy. All these Roads use light, small 24" to 25" diameter wheels (559 
> or 571, 24 3/4" with the 559 X 28 Elk Passes).
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:25 PM Matt Dreher <99m...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I finally concluded that the chainstays on my 61 Roadini are just a hair 
>> too long at 46cm. I'm not opposed to longer chainstays, it's just that it 
>> would be nice if there were a Rivendell option other than the Roadeo that 
>> had slightly more traditional road geometry. If they had capped it at 44cm 
>> for the large sizes or specced horizontal dropouts to allow a bit of 
>> adjustability I probably wouldn't have a real issue with it. 
>>
>> I don't buy the line that wheelbase doesn't affect handling 
>> significantly. I have an 90s road bike with 41cm stays that's exhausting to 
>> spend a long while on. The handling feels significantly more confident to 
>> me on that bike. I know that you can take the same lines but taking the 
>> same line on the long-stayed bike requires a good bit more lean than the 
>> other. It makes me a lot more hesitant to take corners as quickly on loose 
>> surfaces. Of course once you've lost traction it's easier to control and 
>> recover from skids with long chainstays but I'd rather not lose traction in 
>> the first place, you know?
>>
>> As someone who adjusts their bars below the saddle I'm also not really 
>> representative of the typical Rivendell rider, though. I suppose that at 
>> this point complaining about no shorter-chainstay'd Rivendells is like 
>> complaining that Cervelo doesn't have a steel option any more. Both 
>> companies once had the option for it but the type of riders they're 
>> intended for necessarily led them 

[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-09 Thread Matt Dreher
Fair, I was a bit rushed writing that. I think it's a sort of a modern 
vernacular thing, using 'you' where one should really be using 'one.' This 
should make it clearer.

*I don't buy the line that wheelbase doesn't affect handling significantly. 
I have an 90s road bike with 41cm stays that's exhausting to spend a long 
while on. The handling feels significantly more confident to me on that 
bike. I know that one can take the same lines but taking the same line on 
the long-stayed bike requires a good bit more lean than the other. It makes 
me a lot more hesitant to take corners as quickly on loose surfaces. Of 
course once I've lost traction it's easier to control and recover from 
skids with long chainstays but I'd rather not lose traction in the first 
place.*


Something I've considered that may be coloring my perceptions: my height. 
I'm 6'5", proportioned just so that 61 to 62cm frames are what fits me 
right. Leaning further when one is tall must necessarily put more lateral 
force on the tire, right? It seems that there's just more at stake when 
your center of mass is further from the ground. Long wheelbases mean that 
you necessarily must lean further. Maybe the confidence I feel on the SWB 
bike is just a matter of not having to dig as far into my reserve of grip?

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 1:42:11 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hey Matt! I got confused in your middle paragraph. Too many pronouns that 
> seem reversed of what I thought you were saying for me to follow. Would you 
> mind clarifying please?
>
> I've not heard anyone say wheelbase doesn't affect handling, significantly 
> or otherwise. The entire experience I've had with longer wheel base is 
> significantly better handling. It DOES require adjustment and different 
> lines. There may be a learning curve, but a sharp lad could easily suss 
> that out and not need to slow down, and likely go yet faster if desired. 
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 12:25:24 PM UTC-7, Matt Dreher wrote:
>>
>> I finally concluded that the chainstays on my 61 Roadini are just a hair 
>> too long at 46cm. I'm not opposed to longer chainstays, it's just that it 
>> would be nice if there were a Rivendell option other than the Roadeo that 
>> had slightly more traditional road geometry. If they had capped it at 44cm 
>> for the large sizes or specced horizontal dropouts to allow a bit of 
>> adjustability I probably wouldn't have a real issue with it. 
>>
>> I don't buy the line that wheelbase doesn't affect handling 
>> significantly. I have an 90s road bike with 41cm stays that's exhausting to 
>> spend a long while on. The handling feels significantly more confident to 
>> me on that bike. I know that you can take the same lines but taking the 
>> same line on the long-stayed bike requires a good bit more lean than the 
>> other. It makes me a lot more hesitant to take corners as quickly on loose 
>> surfaces. Of course once you've lost traction it's easier to control and 
>> recover from skids with long chainstays but I'd rather not lose traction in 
>> the first place, you know?
>>
>> As someone who adjusts their bars below the saddle I'm also not really 
>> representative of the typical Rivendell rider, though. I suppose that at 
>> this point complaining about no shorter-chainstay'd Rivendells is like 
>> complaining that Cervelo doesn't have a steel option any more. Both 
>> companies once had the option for it but the type of riders they're 
>> intended for necessarily led them away from that.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-09 Thread Matt Dreher
I finally concluded that the chainstays on my 61 Roadini are just a hair 
too long at 46cm. I'm not opposed to longer chainstays, it's just that it 
would be nice if there were a Rivendell option other than the Roadeo that 
had slightly more traditional road geometry. If they had capped it at 44cm 
for the large sizes or specced horizontal dropouts to allow a bit of 
adjustability I probably wouldn't have a real issue with it. 

I don't buy the line that wheelbase doesn't affect handling significantly. 
I have an 90s road bike with 41cm stays that's exhausting to spend a long 
while on. The handling feels significantly more confident to me on that 
bike. I know that you can take the same lines but taking the same line on 
the long-stayed bike requires a good bit more lean than the other. It makes 
me a lot more hesitant to take corners as quickly on loose surfaces. Of 
course once you've lost traction it's easier to control and recover from 
skids with long chainstays but I'd rather not lose traction in the first 
place, you know?

As someone who adjusts their bars below the saddle I'm also not really 
representative of the typical Rivendell rider, though. I suppose that at 
this point complaining about no shorter-chainstay'd Rivendells is like 
complaining that Cervelo doesn't have a steel option any more. Both 
companies once had the option for it but the type of riders they're 
intended for necessarily led them away from that.

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[RBW] Re: 1/1/20 Blahg

2020-01-02 Thread Matt Dreher
Agreed on both counts but especially LWB. There's a lot of things he's 
right about and it doesn't take a stretch to get on his side regarding, 
like steel, rim brakes, threaded steerers, leather saddles, and so on. 
Asking the average cyclist with Rivendell money to take a chance on a bike 
with way-long stays is a lot, though, and it drives away people who would 
otherwise be on board with the aesthetic and philosophy of Rivendell. How 
many people out there have Surlies with $1000+ of Paul and Phil and White 
onboard? More than you think, at least in Japan if Blue Lug's flickr is 
anything to go by. Why not give your average Crosscheck owner a nicer frame 
to aspire to as well without asking them to give up the quick handling?

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 3:55:08 PM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
> Well, I love Grant and he's right a lot of the time about a lot of things, 
> but it's my personal belief is index shifting ain't one of them.
> I really don't think index shifting was intended for "lazy" people. I 
> never really appreciated index shifting until I started riding mountain 
> bikes; and honestly in that context especially, it's indispensable. When 
> you drop down into a gully or a roller and you need  a lower gear to get 
> out then what you used to get in, you've got to RAPIDLY  move through the 
> gears to get to the one you need! There's no time to feel it through. 
> Additionally,  if you can have index shifting, then why wouldn't you? I 
> have plenty of bikes with friction shifting and in a general sense it's 
> fine, but it's a tool to shift gears; very simple that. Index or not why is 
> it even a talking point? Last night I changed the Dia Compe friction 
> shifter off my Atlantis & installed a new MicroShift bar con. So now I have 
> index; yeah!
> This wasn't so much to get index as it was to get a bar con, because the 
> old shifter was down tube mounted which I find to be a pain most of the 
> time.
> OK, that said where does one draw the line. Problem is shifting quickly 
> went from 7 speed thumb shifters to the push-push trigger monstrosities. 
> Those I absolutely don't dig very much! Why, because they don't really 
> bring anything to the game, they don't improve anything, in fact they 
> create problems, because they are fragile, wear quickly & break! But, maybe 
> that's the idea? Planned obsolescence.
>
> Second, I think this whole long wheelbase thing is getting completely out 
> of hand. I agree that a super short wheelbase is sort of overkill, but 
> there's no reason a Clem should have the wheelbase it does. In fact all 
> sorts of reasons it shouldn't. I can say that, not as someone whose never 
> ridden a long wheelbase Rivendell, but as someone who owns two! (Formerly 
> three!) Unfortunately, I have no way to make a head to head comparison, 
>  but I feel pretty safe postulating that I'd love my Medium Clementine more 
> if the chainstays were 3/4 shorter. Which I should add; would still be 
> considered long.
> I am sorry if I come off contrarian; I am not in favor of change for 
> changes sake and there's loads of "technical Improvements" in the bike 
> industry that make me ask why? But in the last 10 years I've probably 
> bought 10 bikes; the Only ones that didn't have threadless 
> stearers/headsets, Disc Brakes, etc. Have been Rivendells; I didn't buy the 
> Rivendells because they didn't have those things, but in spite of them not 
> having those things. As a former bike mechanic and person who wrenches my 
> own bikes, I recognize an improvement over pointless gadgetry. I've 
> recently bought not one, but two bikes with thru-axles and I can honestly 
> say I dig'em a lot! Prior to that a good vertical drop out was my favorite, 
> but these thru-axles are undoubtedly an improvement. 
> Anywayz, I realize I'm tilting at windmills here, but there's a certain 
> amount of catharsis.
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2019-12-28 Thread Matt Dreher
CHG will be intended for the new V-brakes. No way it won't be. Just you 
watch!

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 6:27:35 PM UTC-6, Paul M wrote:
>
> Grant's blog (blahg) early November No. 30 starts off with a partial 
> schematic of a frame design that isn't labeled but looks like part 
> Roadini/Clem/Suzie Longbolt. The top tube attaches higher up on the seat 
> tube than the Suzie and the wheels show 700c x 2.0. With the lack of being 
> able to view the brakes it could be intended for long reach Tektro caliper 
> brakes! A mixed-use lower priced compete. Sounds like Charlie H. Gallop.  
>
> On Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:38:04 UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>> Unless designed around some leftover Appaloosa... or Sam forks!  I’m of 
>> course joking, but you never know... 
>>
>> Come to think of it, wasn’t Roman’s Med Rosco Mtn Mixte 650b but with an 
>> Appaloosa crown?  I know Will’s Huge version was a Hunq fork but wonder if 
>> that Med was a one-off fork?  Sorry, Not trying to derail the topic and the 
>> brain’s a little fuzzy after a long few days/weeks/months. 
>>
>> Either way, very curious to see how Charlie turns out.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo closing in January

2019-12-26 Thread Matt Dreher
It's a terrible world that doesn't have a place for a shop that sells nice 
bicycles and cameras and Bob Dylan records, but unfortunately we live in it.

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 8:25:24 PM UTC-6, velomann wrote:
>
> From Instagram today: https://www.instagram.com/rivelo_pdx/
>
> As a local and regular, I'm pretty bummed by this. It felt as close to 
> clubhouse as I've experienced in awhile, and there's really nowhere else 
> around like it in terms of Rivendell, Dylan, film photography, and 
> fascinating wide-ranging musings of political, musical, and just about 
> everything else you care to discuss. 
> I get that the business model was only ever going to appeal to a narrow 
> clientele, and hopefully JB will elaborate on the decision. But I'm sad to 
> see this development.
>
> On a related note, if there's anything Riv-ish you didn't get under the 
> tree, I'm sure your patronage would be appreciated.
>
> Mike M
>

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 on a Roadini?

2019-12-02 Thread Matt Dreher
I'm running 1x8 on mine... well, sort of. 46-30 double with no front 
derailleur and an 12-28 cassette. Works fine, no complaints here in flat 
Louisiana and in not-so-flat St. Francisville. I would say that Roadinis 
make uniquely good candidates for 1x because their long chainstays decrease 
your chain angle at either end of the cassette. If I were using a wider 
range cassette with a low end up in the 40s I would likely need two chains 
on my 61 with 46cm chainstays, though.

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 1:08:39 PM UTC-6, Robert Gardner wrote:
>
> Is anyone running a 1x11 on a roadini? Thinking of building one for some 
> centuries and/or light rando rides. Wondering if anyone has done this and 
> has any tips. 
>
> Yes, I know, compact doubles and/or 2x is kind of standard. Let me live my 
> life people!  
>
> Thanks ahead of time — 
>
> Rg 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: Nitto stem comparo picture

2019-11-21 Thread Matt Dreher
The Dynamic is sort of a lower-budget Pearl in that it's a road stem with a 
shorter usable length in the quill than a Technomic. It's not a direct 
replacement, though. The extension has a wider profile that thickens as it 
approaches the clamp, which is in turn about 5mm thicker on each side than 
a Pearl or Technomic. This means that some bars that fit Pearls and 
Technomics fine can't be threaded through, the Noodle among them.

I've tried it against a Technomic and that thickness does in fact translate 
to noticeably more lateral stiffness. Great for a bike that you intend to 
be a hard-sprinting goon on, which is what I use mine for.

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