Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Frame - Susie W. Longbolts / Wolbis Slugstone 53cm!

[Paul Budnitz]

Thanks Mark.

It’s a super-cool bike. If nobody buys it soon I’m tempting myself to keep it 
and use it as a second gravel bike. :)

I’d probably have to throw out our lawnmower to fit another bike in our shed, 
however!

☆ Paul
On Oct 9, 2020, 9:05 PM -0400, Mark Roland , wrote:
> That's a really nice deal on a new bike that is out of stock. Plus bonus 
> parts. Plus, lest we forget, it's also a Wolbis Slugstone (see ye olde head 
> badge)!
>
> I got my 56 Susie last week and just took it out of the box yesterday.  What 
> a sweet frame, beautiful fillet brazing and lots of fun details. I am 
> determined to build the wheels this weekend after overhauling and adjusting 
> the hubs.
>
> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 11:47:58 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > Hello Everyone!
> >
> > I have a beautiful BLUE Susie W. Longbolts frame for sale in the (now sold 
> > out) 53cm size.
> >
> > Comes with a 73cm square taper Shimano 113 BB installed, which will pair 
> > perfectly with most Sugino or Rivendell cranks. If you need a seatpost I am 
> > happy to throw in a new 26.8 Rivendell Seatpost as well, as I have an extra 
> > here.
> >
> > (Susies don't come with seatpost of bottom bracket like other Riv frames, 
> > Will told me it's because they figure some people might want to use modern 
> > cranks).
> >
> > You can see images here.
> >
> > Price is $1500 and I'll ship it anywhere in the continental US for free. 
> > Trying to keep the price fair as this board has been such a useful source 
> > of advice for me!
> >
> > Nothing bad to say about the Susie! Received the frame new a few weeks ago 
> > from Rivendell, figured as a replacement for the Atlantis that I use as a 
> > gravel/dirt road bike. After building it up and riding the Susie a dozen 
> > miles (on Asphalt) I realized I just prefer the Atlantis — I'm probably 
> > just used to my old bike. We live in town now, and I have limited storage 
> > so can't keep it for fun as I'd wish.
> >
> > The frame is in perfect condition besides being built up once and ridden 
> > for a few hours. I'm a fairly experienced builder, and mainly tested the 
> > bike on the road. There are no scuffs or marks I can find. I don't think 
> > this Susie would come off as anything but brand new once it is built it up 
> > by you!
> >
> > Images attached, LMK if you've questions. :)
> >
> > Much love,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Frame - Susie W. Longbolts / Wolbis Slugstone 53cm!

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Mark.

Will you please post pictures once you’re done with your build? I’d like to see 
that!

☆ Paul
On Oct 10, 2020, 8:18 PM -0400, Mark Roland , wrote:
> Looks great Paul. Makes sense to give it a try, such a unique bicycle. Since 
> Susie's first cousin, El Clem, already has Boscos, I wanted something 
> different. I've got a few options, including Choco-Moose, but I decided to 
> try VO's Klunker bars. It goes well with my BMX homage build, even though I 
> never road BMX. Got inspired by a Kooka crank (not really bmx either) and 
> went from there.
> I love the new Nitto faceplate stems, thinking of a 65 or 85 in case I get 
> tired of the bmx setup. Should work with wavies or other flatish bars, or 
> drops even. I tend to leave most bikes be once I finish a build, but I may 
> mess around with the Wolbis over the winter. Now back to that wheel build...
>
> On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 6:02:54 PM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > Hello Everyone.
> >
> > Thanks for your kind words about the frame.
> >
> > This is kind of embarrassing. 😌 I'm keeping the bike.
> >
> > After thinking about why the Susie wasn't working for me, and getting 
> > inspired by Mark's post — and some friendly nudges from my wife who (she's 
> > amazing) supports my endless obsession with bicycles!!! — I decided to give 
> > the Susie another chance.
> >
> > First I spent some time measuring the frame and comparing with my other 
> > bikes. They key issue, for me at least, was that the frame is so long it 
> > sort of begs you to to put Boscos on it to get the bars back. That's what I 
> > did the first build, but I ended up with a super-upright ride with nearly 
> > ya 90-degree back. I know that's what Grant and the Deacon and everyone 
> > seems to love, and power to you! But I don't have enough power that way, I 
> > really need a little more lean for power in the flats.
> >
> > For the re-build I used much lower and slightly narrower bars (inverted 
> > Chocos instead of Boscos), higher but shorter stem (Dirt drop 100 instead 
> > of Technomic), and different saddle (Narrow Berthoud). And it all came 
> > together! Just rode 10 miles over a mess of dirt racing a storm, and this 
> > Susie may turn into one of my favorite bikes of all time. I need more time 
> > on it to really be sure, but the long wheelbase is ridiculously great.
> >
> > Image of semi-finished Susie attached. Think I'm going to order one of 
> > Grant's new 110mm faceplate stems to get a tiny bit more reach, and add 
> > some bar-extenders to give another 20mm back for more hand positions with 
> > some even longer BMX grips. Maybe big ass fenders. Then it should be 
> > perfect for back-country Vermont, at least until the snows hit soon enough.
> >
> > Jim, I'm so sorry I can't sell this frame to you, at least right now. I'll 
> > let you know if I change my mind after a few more rides, but so far I'm 
> > excited.
> >
> > PS: It's likely a 2018 53 MIT Atlantis frame will be on the market soon 
> > instead! It's still that or my lawnmower.
> >
> > Image attached with Chocos upside down.
> >
> > Much love to all.
> >
> > ⭐︎ Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 3:51:38 PM UTC-4 Jim Plaugher wrote:
> > > > Hi Paul,
> > > > Sent PM
> > > > Jim in Lansing Iowa
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 11:38:01 AM UTC-5 Ash wrote:
> > > > > > This's a very good deal!  The next batch is probably 18 month out 
> > > > > > or longer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of the two Rivs and two other bikes I have Susie is the one that 
> > > > > > gets ridden the most these days.  Gravel rides with kid's trailer 
> > > > > > attached, grocery runs, bring take out food from next town, a 
> > > > > > 8-mile quick fitness ride during lunch breaks.. this bike can be 
> > > > > > used so many ways.  I even did a 100k a month ago.  Now I'm 
> > > > > > planning a loaded multi-day tour on Susie sometime this year.   
> > > > > > Best of luck Paul.
> > > > > > > On Friday, 9 October 2020 at 08:47:58 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Everyone!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have a beautiful BLUE Susie W. Longbolts frame for sale in 
> > > > > > > > the (now sold out) 53cm size.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Comes with a 73cm square taper Shimano 113 BB installed, which 
> > > > > > > > will pair perfectly with most Sugino or Rivendell cranks. If 
> > > > > > > > you need a seatpost I am happy to throw in a new 26.8 Rivendell 
> > > > > > > > Seatpost as well, as I have an extra here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Susies don't come with seatpost of bottom bracket like other 
> > > > > > > > Riv frames, Will told me it's because they figure some people 
> > > > > > > > might want to use modern cranks).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can see images here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Price is $1500 and I'll ship it anywhere in the continental US 
> > > > > > > > for free. Trying to keep the price fair 

[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Paul Budnitz]

After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
have two.

I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in fast, 
however.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
> don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
> saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
> Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>
> Michael M
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 650b Atlantis Sizing for an 85PBH

[Paul Budnitz]

Hi Y'all.

I have both a 53 and a 56 Atlantis (though the 53 may go up for sale soon). 
 My PBH is also 85-86.

Both actually fit well for me, but the 56 allows me to get bars higher more 
conveniently.  

I should add that they are both 2018 MIT, so slightly shorter reach!!

Best.
Paul

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 5:00:59 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Welp.  The 56 was a bit too big.  It went back on the RBW site and sold 
> real quick.  Thanks for all your help, made the decision SO much easier. 
>  If anybody has a 53 Atlantis 650b frame or complete laying around, holler 
> at me!!!
> Happy trails all.
> Alex
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex
>>
>> There was at least one run of MIT 650b 56 Atlantis, I have one. PBH 87. 
>> They removed it from the current geo charts but you can find it here: 
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20190224110651/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>>
>> I do like the bigger bike feel, and almost feel like my Atlantis is 
>> small-ish, but I feel part of that might be the 650b wheels. You can 
>> probably make your 56 work but if you prefer the smaller bike feel maybe 53 
>> is better (if you can find one).
>>
>> mike
>> not much help in austin
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all.  I know Atlantis sizing is a hot topic around these parts.  At 
>>> the risk of being redundant, I am trying to figure out which Atlantis is 
>>> the one for me.  I recently bought a 56cm Atlantis 650b frame from the RBW 
>>> Garage Sale, thinking that it was the perfect size for me.  Now that I am 
>>> getting close to building it up, i’m starting to doubt myself.  I have an 
>>> 85 PBH.  I tend to like bikes a LITTLE bit on the smaller size.  Wondering 
>>> if perhaps the 53 Atlantis is actually the one for me.   Anybody have ANY 
>>> advice at all?  Thanks a bunch.
>>> Alex
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Pass & Stowe 3-Rail Rack

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Everyone. I *think* this is sold as I have a couple people 
interested. Will post here if that falls through!!

:) Paul
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:28:28 AM UTC-4 Paul Budnitz wrote:

> a nice Pass& Stowe 4-rail rack for sale. Only real significant marks on it 
> are on the side where the adjustment bolt slides around.
>
> $125 includes shipping anywhere in the US.
>
> This rack has standard sized side-rails, which will fit any 26'er or 650B 
> tire up to 2.5" tires, or up to 2" with fenders, and 29'er bikes up to 
> about 2-inch tires.
>
> Images attached! Send me a note directly if you are interested.
>
> Size specs are here:
>
> https://www.passandstowracks.com/specs
>
> Paul
>
> [image: IMG_1202.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1203.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Nitto Faceplater Stem... or similar riser stem! 110mm!!

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello All.

Title says it all. I actually ordered one of these, then cancelled, now too 
late and I feel real dumb.

If anyone has a 110mm version of Rivendell's new riser stem (see it here 
, 
it's sold out in my size) or equivalent riser stem I'd be super grateful.

I have a dirt drop, but it's a little too short.

THANK YOU!
Paul


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[RBW] Re: Clem L... Awesome Handicapped Edition !!

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Everyone.

Sorry for the slow reply. For some reason my account now requires my posts 
to be approved so it takes a while after I write.

My wife loves her bike. Finally riding with no pain. And yeah, I kind of 
surprised her. Just told her a bike was coming and built it up one 
afternoon while she was out, but it took a few weeks/tries to get the stem 
right. This super tall one is from eBay (ie. China), just Google "tall 
quill stem" and a bunch come up!

:). Paul

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 4:37:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> What an awesome adaptation you have made for this Clem! Where on earth did 
> you discover this stem?! I’m sure your wife is thrilled, as you must also 
> be, as you will now have a cycling partner. I hope you two roll over hill 
> and dale together and post some selfies. #cutecouplealert 
>
> How does she like the ride of her new bike? Did you surprise her or did 
> she pick it out? I’m so glad you posted; such a great story. ❤️
>
>
> Leah, who also has a Rivendell Blue Clementine

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Re: [RBW] Clem L... Awesome Handicapped Edition !!

[Paul Budnitz]

Hi Patrick!

Thanks!! Yeah I kind of like it as a chopped-out Clem.

The stem was on eBay. Just search for "tall quill stem" and keep searching 
and you'll find it. Took about 3 weeks to get here, seems to be solid 
steel. :0) Cheap from China I think!

Paul

On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 1:30:50 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm glad you found a solution, and an elegant one.
>
> What it the world is that stem? It actually looks perfect on that bike, 
> even though I think tall quills, at least on road bikes, detract from the 
> bikes' visual harmony. On this bike, it looks normal and even proprotional. 
> It certainly looks better than "ape hanger" bars.
>
> But what is make and model?
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:10 PM Paul Budnitz  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> I promised Grant a photo of the Clem L I built up for my wife, and 
>> figured I'd post it here too.
>>
>> She's handicapped due to a genetic inflammation in her joints, and can 
>> only deal with very limited weight on her forearms and wrists. We've 
>> struggled for years to sort out a decent bike for her, the problem being 
>> that almost all new bikes use treadless stems, and have limited bar height 
>> and adjustability.
>>
>> Here's a picture of her Clem with the highest and shortest stem I could 
>> find, plus Boscos. This is the first bike she's been able to enjoy riding 
>> in ten years!! 
>>
>> Oddly it kind of reminds me of a chopper Schwinn I had as a teenager, but 
>> grown up. 
>>
>> Go Rivendell!! 😍
>>
>> Love,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> [image: IMG_1237.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Blue Riv Banana Sax or similar

[Paul Budnitz]

Hey Ben

I have an X-small saddle sack in Royal if you're interested in it. Happy to 
sell it at 50% retail, it is pretty much unused. My wife got a new funky 
saddle and it doesn't fit the saddle sack!

Paul

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 9:36:05 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gotcha. I have the x-small saddle sack in Royal and kind of want the 
> banana sack for a handlebar bag and want them to match. My guess is the 
> TrunkSack is photographed under artificial light and the banana sack looks 
> to be shot out in the alley where they shoot all their bikes. I'd be 
> surprised if Sackville used different materials for these two bags. 
>
> The best idea I can give anyone of color is this...oddly, the Newbaum's 
> navy tape is VERY close to the royal color Sackville used on the x-small 
> saddlebag. 
>
> Unrelated...I noticed you're in Raleigh? My sister-in-law lives there and 
> my wife and I LOVE visiting...in fact, we were the week before Covid shut 
> down the country. Huge fan of Trophy Brewing, Players Retreat, Rise 
> biscuits...I could go on, but I'll leave it at this - I can't wait to visit 
> Raleigh again! 
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 11:29:31 AM UTC-6 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> Thanks for the help. I was aware that Riv does have the Banana Sax in 
>> royal in stock right now, I was just hoping to find one used and save some 
>> cash. 
>>
>> However, when you look at pictures of the royal blue Banana Sax on Riv's 
>> website, and then compare them with the pictures of the royal blue small 
>> TrunkSack, the TrunkSack looks to be a noticeably lighter shade of blue (at 
>> least to my eyes anyways). Maybe it's just a trick of the camera/screen. 
>> Anyone else notice this? 
>>
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh , NC
>>
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 12:19, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but has Rivendell sold blue bags 
>> that are different color that the ones they call "Royal"? 
>>
>>
>> The only reason I ask is because the Royal banana sacks are available on 
>> Riv's website still. If you already knew that, wanted used, it's not the 
>> right blue, etc..., I apologize! 
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 11:00:06 AM UTC-6 esoter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just a bump to see if anyone's got a suitable bag for sale.
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:
>>>

 Howdy all,

 I'm in the market for a blue Sackville Banana Sax. I'm also open to 
 other brands with a similar "banana"-type bag, but my preference is for 
 the 
 Sackville. Gotta be blue. PM me to let me know whatcha got! Thanks,

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Mark.

What an awesome build.

Forgive me if you posted this and I missed it — what stem and handlebars 
are those?  I'm looking for a bar just like that one!

Paul
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 8:49:38 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

>
> Before all the lovely new Sams get built up and steal the show, a few 
> photos of my new Wolbis, finished up a couple weeks ago. I was waiting on 
> the forks for the size larges. And of course took that opportunity to NOT 
> build up the wheels. Anyway, done!
>
> [image: IMG_20201023_080117425.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20201023_080153725.jpg]
> Photo album HERE. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Paul Budnitz]

Thanks for the info Mark.

Well all I can say is, that is one badass beautiful bike!!
On Nov 8, 2020, 6:22 PM -0800, Mark Roland , wrote:
> I know what you mean, Paul. In today's world, sometimes it's the most 
> sensible, conservative things that seem the most wacky.
>
> When my son and I are out on the single track and jeep roads of Stewart State 
> Forest and we come upon the occasional gaggle of "serious" mountain bikers on 
> full suspension hydraulic disc carbon bikes with full xcountry gear, I think 
> they look...pretty darn wacky. Especially since both me, a mostly ex-roadie, 
> and my son, who will be eleven this month, have zero problem on any of the 
> trails, despite riding steel rigid bikes with rim brakes.
>
> I feel like there is a sweet spot in many technologies, where the use and 
> function seems most appropriate and human scale. I think the original 
> mountain bike concepts hit that sweet spot, and in many ways represent the 
> pinnacle of useful, appropriate bicycle design for the vast majority of stuff 
> the vast majority of people would want or need to do on a bicycle. What I 
> love about the Hillibikes, is that they take the original mountain bike 
> concepts and reimagine and redefine them.That someone in 2020 would design 
> and produce bicycles like the Hillibikes is indeed wacky and wonderful!
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 8:35:49 PM UTC-5, Paul Richardson wrote:
> > looking great.  love the wild direction you went with the build--really 
> > suits (what i consider to be) a totally whacky frame.  good synergy!!
> >
> > paul
> > takoma park, md.
> >
> >
> > > On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 6:10:33 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
> > > > Sorry, did not fully answer Andrew's  questions. I have Cliffhangers on 
> > > > my Hubbuhubbuh, which is also new to me, so could not give you a 
> > > > comprehensive comparison. They are fine, a rounded profile with a flat 
> > > > silver finish and no eyelets. The Rhynos have eyelets and a more 
> > > > traditional boxy profile, and are made by the company that puts out the 
> > > > venerable CR-18 rims, always a  solid choice. I imagine they are both 
> > > > good reliable rims. My aesthetics favor the Rhynos (yes, even in white) 
> > > > but if I had to wait on one and wanted the wheels I would probably get 
> > > > the other and not worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Andrew Stevens wrote:
> > > > > Nice! I'm waiting on mine, and have been stumped looking for rims. 
> > > > > How do you feel about the Rhyno XLs? Those are the 36 hole right? I 
> > > > > don't believe they came in a 32. Would you recommend them over 
> > > > > waiting for Velocity Cliffhangers to come back in stock?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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[RBW] WTB: Gus Boots size Large🌲

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Hello All.

If anyone has a size L Gus they'd like to part with, I'd love it.

Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Gus Boots size Large🌲

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Yay! Found one. Thanks all!
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 2:12:55 AM UTC-5 Paul Budnitz wrote:

> Hello All.
>
> If anyone has a size L Gus they'd like to part with, I'd love it.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Leather saddle recommendation for upright Sam H?

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Hi Joe.

That is a wise answer.

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On Jun 11, 2020, 4:24 PM -0400, Joe Bernard , wrote:
> You've knocked out everything I could possibly think of so let me say this: 
> Comfort is everything in a saddle and no one can see it while you're riding. 
> If that Brompton saddle works, go for it!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo Bleriot S&S 57cm

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Thanks Ted!

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On Jul 17, 2020, 5:38 PM -0400, Ted Durant , wrote:
> On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 4:30:05 PM UTC-5 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > Ted, maybe I missed it in your post, but where did you get the S&S 
> > > couplers added?
> >
> > Bilenky Cycle Works, Philadelphia
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

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Hello Ash.

This is so helpful. Thank you!!!

Gonna hunt up a 53!

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On Sep 10, 2020, 8:27 AM -0400, Ash , wrote:
> Paul,
>
> As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out the 
> front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
> stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
> market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)
>
> 3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the front. 
> One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It requires a 
> tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT Atlantis I had 
> owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with overall wheelbase 
> than front-center or fork-rake.   That small inconvenience gets you a ton 
> extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend (or maybe the overall angle 
> contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of dance when you go over gravels 
> and other road imperfections.  I think it acts like a micro shock-absorber.  
> The feeling is simply delightful.  It makes me often avoid the smooth side of 
> the trail and ride on the bumpy side, if available.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
> > On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > Hello Ash
> > >
> > > Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
> > >
> > > Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> > > measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> > > short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> > > turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> > > front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
> > >
> > > Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> > > and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Paul,
> > > >
> > > > It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
> > > > thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two 
> > > > cents.
> > > >
> > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
> > > > attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly 
> > > > realized that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the 
> > > > first place. I've had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even 
> > > > longer. This bike runs large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for 
> > > > Riv's top notch customer service.  They happily exchanged the frame for 
> > > > a 50cm version, which fits me much better.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
> > > > relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even 
> > > > with Bosco!).
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar 
> > > > is too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the 
> > > > frame happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean 
> > > > option to bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ash
> > > >
> > > > PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
> > > > used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took 
> > > > the picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, 
> > > > due to low light.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Y'all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 
> > > > > > 75.5 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and 
> > > > > > they'd both work for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to 
> > > > > > double check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 
> > > > > > 52 Clem L, and I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a 
> > > > > > bit low. It would require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up 
> > > > > > where I like them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is 
> > > > > > it working for you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you upload a photo?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to 
> > > > > > ask for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top 
> > > > > > of seat tube height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer 
> > > > > > than on the Clem L, and that I don't have to have a crazy high stem 
> > > > > > on the Susie if I buy the 53.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope I'm making sense here.
> > >

Re: [RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

[Paul Budnitz]

Hi Joe!!

Was thinking about your note.

You are right the Losco bars make no sense except they look awesome.

But for me making your bicycle look the way you want it to (and perform just 
right too) can be half the fun.

The tension between trying to make a bike both ride and look great is part of 
the challenge, and why I love bikes so much.

Bicycles are one of the last things left on earth you can build up out of 
individual components made, all by different people, and make something truly 
individual and your own.

☆ Paul
On Sep 23, 2020, 11:12 PM -0400, Joe Bernard , wrote:
> Btw aside from looking cool Loscos don't make a lick of sense. I have them on 
> a really tall stem which...why not just get Boscos?? 😋
> > On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 5:49:37 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
> > > Hi Roberta and Kim the Flowerfang!
> > >
> > > Yeah I've been draggin` hard the last 6 weeks or so. First the smoke then 
> > > I tweaked my back lifting this way when I should have lifted that 
> > > way..it’s been one damn thing after another this year! But I'm on the 
> > > mend and my oomph should be back soon. I gotta finish this bike!
> > >
> > > > On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
> > > > > Garth and Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for confirming that the rise is less than the Albatross.  Not 
> > > > > exactly what I wanted to hear. But perhaps the bike  has a taller 
> > > > > headtube that would make up for this.  Or, get one of those 
> > > > > super-duper tall stem that BBDD loves on her Clem L.  But, I 
> > > > > understand they are sold out everywhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe, are you OK?  This doesn't sound like you:  ..."Bombadil which 
> > > > > will apparently never be completed..my bike building skills have lost 
> > > > > their oomph!"  Perhaps it's just the bad air?
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberta
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:36:12 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Roberta, from what can tell in the write up and photos between 
> > > > > > > Riv and BL websites, it is indeed a Bosco bar shape but with much 
> > > > > > > less rise. Judging from the side views it's less rise than an 
> > > > > > > Alba, about the same rise as a Billie, give or take 5mm. Whatever 
> > > > > > > you can fit onto a Bosco bar would apply to the Losco.  If 
> > > > > > > whatbars.com showed them they ought to appear the same shape as 
> > > > > > > the images are only from above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 3:47:50 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anyone have rise information, especially on how it 
> > > > > > > > compares to the Albatross?    These bars aren't published on 
> > > > > > > > the excellent site whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for 
> > > > > > > > the Albas at 50 on the site.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like 
> > > > > > > > there's more room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips 
> > > > > > > > than the Albas.  It might even be better because it comes back 
> > > > > > > > a little more and I'm expecting the Platypus to be long in the 
> > > > > > > > middle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Roberta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

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Thanks Joel. Do you know when that is?  And when they will ship?

Is it frame only? Sorry if I’m repeating questions that have been answered 
elsewhere!

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On Sep 30, 2020, 11:16 AM -0400, Joel Stern , wrote:
> You have to wait till they are on the site.
>
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:34 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
> > > Hey all. How do we order one of these? Just don't see them on the Riv 
> > > site!  Just curious. My daughter might love one.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
> > > > > The color looks great - the red equivalent of the new HH gold color.  
> > > > > I guess I'll need to wait until tomorrow to find out the production 
> > > > > colors.
> > > > > Are there rack mounts on the top of the fork crown? It looks like 
> > > > > there's something there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Paul Budnitz]

Really like that custom color too!

On the site it says it fits “50c smooth tires with wiggle room”. Does anyone 
know if that means 50c with fenders?

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On Oct 1, 2020, 7:03 AM -0400, Mark Roland , wrote:
> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size within 
> a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" yet? I 
> always get confused with this.
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> > I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
> > Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
> > another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
> > Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
> > Leah
> >
> > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are 
> > > > > > lovely for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my 
> > > > > > favorite bicycle colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for 
> > > > > > missing out on Leah's luscious razz, it goes well with red accents. 
> > > > > > And the blilver is really nice too, more green than recent blues. 
> > > > > > Try it with white grips and pedals!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
> > > > > > > Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as 
> > > > > > > special as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the 
> > > > > > > light aqua blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me 
> > > > > > > one in a 55.  I'm really looking forward to riding a mixte!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 
> > > > > > > > 'ol.  Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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