Re: [RBW] FS: Hubbuhubbuh M complete tandem - $2,500 - SF Bay Area

[René Sterental]

Tandem has sold and has shipped to a new owner who did a great job
figuring it out!

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 3:33 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a red hot tandem! and deal. You cut that housing length around the
> seat tube perfectly! Mine was a little long, I just removed it in favor of
> running housing under the stoker's top tube (as my stoker at 8 can't reach
> the pedals yet, next summer), that way the stoker's feet don't rest on the
> rear brake cable. His mom thought the tandem was terrifying, so patiently
> waiting for his legs to get there...
> Until then I'm pedaling it by myself, whether or not I've got the 8 & 5
> year olds out back. It's a fun bike solo, skids being super easy. So
> please, keep it! It's orange!! But if you're thinking of buying this bike
> and you're paused for lack of a stoker or any other crazy reason? Don't
> wait for him to change his mind, grab it.
> Good luck
> -Kai
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[RBW] FS: Hubbuhubbuh M complete tandem - $2,500 - SF Bay Area

[René Sterental]

This was an emotional purchase, an exciting and fun experience building and
riding it, but the reality is that I haven’t anyone to ride it regularly
and it’s just sitting in my garage taking space.

Price includes local pickup or delivery combination, and I’m throwing in
the Thule tandem roof bike carrier as well, which sells for $480 list
price:
https://www.thule.com/en-us/bike-rack/roof-bike-racks/thule-tandem-carrier-_-3286

Photos of the tandem:
https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103

If you’re in the greater SF Bay Area or even further away and interested,
let me know as I’d be happy to coordinate whether I drive it to you, you
come to pick it up, or we meet in the middle.

René

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[RBW] FS- 700c wheel set - $500 + shipping

[René Sterental]

Getting rid of parts an extras... In perfect condition:

Front:
- Son Widebody dynamo hub
- Altas 36 holed polished rim
Rear:
- White Industries MI5 chrome
- Altas 36 holed polished rim

Local pickup in SF Bay Area preferred, but can ship.

René

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[RBW] Cheviot 60cm for sale - $2,500 + shipping

[René Sterental]

Hello again!

Life has happened and with it, a serious health wake-up call, which has set
me again on the bike stable reduction path, among other reductions.

I have decided to put my wonderful Cheviot 60cm for sale, hoping that a
miracle will happen and someone wanting to get one just like it, will
pop-up in the SF Bay Area (ideally), or else I'll ship it. If no one
appears, I'll then do the usual disassembly and offer the frame and parts
separately. I put too much love into it, so would rather have someone enjoy
it as is, instead of all parted. But it will be what it is meant to be.

At this time, the bike is assembled with:
- Standard BB and headset as assembled in RBW.
- Sugino double (plus chain) guard crankset
- Vault platform pedals (chrome)
- 9 speed XT cassette
- 9 speed downtube shifters mounted on the stem with the adapter RBW
sells/sold.
- Sun XCD rear derailer 8,9 & 10 speed compatible
- Sun XCD front derailer
- Paul Racer F/R brakes chrome
- Paul Cantilever brake levers chrome
- Nitto Mark front rack
- Nitto Big Back Rack Medium
- King Iris cage
- Edelux II dynamo light
- Front SON dynamo hub (For Peter White) laced to a chrome 36 hole Velocity
Atlas rim
- Rear White Industries MI5 hub laced to a chrome 36 hole Velocity Atlas rim
- Nitto Choco bar and stem
- Brooks leather grips
- Compass Snoqualmie 700x44 tires
- Honjo smooth fenders
- Nitto lugged S84 setback seat post
- Brooks B17 Select saddle or B67 Select sprung saddle

Photos available here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157674336110365

Everything is in perfect condition. Asking for $2,500 + shipping
separately. If shipping, I'll have the bike packed at my LBS, which would
add around $50-100 for their packing. Shipping to CONUSA via Bike Flights
should be another $100 or so.

With a heavy heart,

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell West and East Meet Up

[René Sterental]

Wonderful!

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:17 AM T Cal  wrote:

> Thank you for sharing -- I really enjoyed looking through the photos.
> I've never been to Japan, but it is on my bucket list.
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[RBW] Re: Bump FS: 61cm A. Homer Hilsen - Frame + Fork + Headset or Almost Complete

[René Sterental]

Sold: Frame, fork, headset, rack, fenders, tires and cages.

Wheels, crankset, shifters, derailers, bottom bracket, cassette still
available.

René

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 1:08 PM René Sterental  wrote:

> Had several inquiries but no concrete offers, so reposting again.
>
> René
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:06 PM René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Continuing on my (slow) downsizing project, I've decided to sell my 61cm
>> Waterford built AHH. The bike is in excellent condition with just a few
>> paint chips.
>> - Frame, fork & DuraAce headset: $ 1,000 + shipping via Bike Flights
>>
>> While the bike is still assembled, I can include:
>> - Sugino XD2 Triple crankset: $110
>> - Phil BB: $100
>> - Shimano XT / Mavic A719 36 spoked Rich-built Wheelset: $300
>> - Paul Center-pull brakes with Yokozuna pads: +$200 for the set F/R
>> - Shimano DuraAce 9 speed downtube shifters: $50
>> - Shimano RD-M772 9 speed rear derailer: $50
>> - Campagnolo Mirage triple front derailer 9 speed: $30
>> - Shimano 9 speed cassette 12-36: $20
>> - Nitto Mark's Rack original (with front tab): $100
>> - Compass BonJon Pass 700x35 Extralight tan sidewall with lots of life
>> left (center grooves very visible): $100
>> - King Iris bottle cages: $12 each or both for $20
>>
>> If the frame sells alone, these plus other parts will be available for
>> sale individually.
>>
>> Not including seat post, saddle, pedals or cockpit. For local pickup in
>> the SF Bay Area, I'll leave the Honjo fenders mounted, if shipping, most
>> likely will need to remove, but will include for free if you want them.
>>
>> Offers accepted.
>>
>> Photos here:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/42609611155/in/album-72157622508702300/
>> Scroll to the left to see more details.
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Bump FS: 61cm A. Homer Hilsen - Frame + Fork + Headset or Almost Complete

[René Sterental]

Had several inquiries but no concrete offers, so reposting again.

René

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:06 PM René Sterental  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Continuing on my (slow) downsizing project, I've decided to sell my 61cm
> Waterford built AHH. The bike is in excellent condition with just a few
> paint chips.
> - Frame, fork & DuraAce headset: $ 1,000 + shipping via Bike Flights
>
> While the bike is still assembled, I can include:
> - Sugino XD2 Triple crankset: $110
> - Phil BB: $100
> - Shimano XT / Mavic A719 36 spoked Rich-built Wheelset: $300
> - Paul Center-pull brakes with Yokozuna pads: +$200 for the set F/R
> - Shimano DuraAce 9 speed downtube shifters: $50
> - Shimano RD-M772 9 speed rear derailer: $50
> - Campagnolo Mirage triple front derailer 9 speed: $30
> - Shimano 9 speed cassette 12-36: $20
> - Nitto Mark's Rack original (with front tab): $100
> - Compass BonJon Pass 700x35 Extralight tan sidewall with lots of life
> left (center grooves very visible): $100
> - King Iris bottle cages: $12 each or both for $20
>
> If the frame sells alone, these plus other parts will be available for
> sale individually.
>
> Not including seat post, saddle, pedals or cockpit. For local pickup in
> the SF Bay Area, I'll leave the Honjo fenders mounted, if shipping, most
> likely will need to remove, but will include for free if you want them.
>
> Offers accepted.
>
> Photos here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/42609611155/in/album-72157622508702300/
> Scroll to the left to see more details.
>
> René
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm A. Homer Hilsen - Frame + Fork + Headset or Almost Complete

[René Sterental]

Thanks!

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 5:56 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:

> Beautiful bike and tempting. Hope someone snaps it up quick.  I have a
> saluki and a romulus that I think I'd have to get rid of to justify this
> one. which just seems like a massive headache. And then the fear of
> regret...
>
> Best of luck with the sale. It looks to be in fantastic condition.
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
> On Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:06:48 UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Continuing on my (slow) downsizing project, I've decided to sell my 61cm
>> Waterford built AHH. The bike is in excellent condition with just a few
>> paint chips.
>> - Frame, fork & DuraAce headset: $ 1,000 + shipping via Bike Flights
>>
>> While the bike is still assembled, I can include:
>> - Sugino XD2 Triple crankset: $110
>> - Phil BB: $100
>> - Shimano XT / Mavic A719 36 spoked Rich-built Wheelset: $300
>> - Paul Center-pull brakes with Yokozuna pads: +$200 for the set F/R
>> - Shimano DuraAce 9 speed downtube shifters: $50
>> - Shimano RD-M772 9 speed rear derailer: $50
>> - Campagnolo Mirage triple front derailer 9 speed: $30
>> - Shimano 9 speed cassette 12-36: $20
>> - Nitto Mark's Rack original (with front tab): $100
>> - Compass BonJon Pass 700x35 Extralight tan sidewall with lots of life
>> left (center grooves very visible): $100
>> - King Iris bottle cages: $12 each or both for $20
>>
>> If the frame sells alone, these plus other parts will be available for
>> sale individually.
>>
>> Not including seat post, saddle, pedals or cockpit. For local pickup in
>> the SF Bay Area, I'll leave the Honjo fenders mounted, if shipping, most
>> likely will need to remove, but will include for free if you want them.
>>
>> Offers accepted.
>>
>> Photos here:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/42609611155/in/album-72157622508702300/
>> Scroll to the left to see more details.
>>
>> René
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: 61cm A. Homer Hilsen - Frame + Fork + Headset or Almost Complete

[René Sterental]

Hi all,

Continuing on my (slow) downsizing project, I've decided to sell my 61cm
Waterford built AHH. The bike is in excellent condition with just a few
paint chips.
- Frame, fork & DuraAce headset: $ 1,000 + shipping via Bike Flights

While the bike is still assembled, I can include:
- Sugino XD2 Triple crankset: $110
- Phil BB: $100
- Shimano XT / Mavic A719 36 spoked Rich-built Wheelset: $300
- Paul Center-pull brakes with Yokozuna pads: +$200 for the set F/R
- Shimano DuraAce 9 speed downtube shifters: $50
- Shimano RD-M772 9 speed rear derailer: $50
- Campagnolo Mirage triple front derailer 9 speed: $30
- Shimano 9 speed cassette 12-36: $20
- Nitto Mark's Rack original (with front tab): $100
- Compass BonJon Pass 700x35 Extralight tan sidewall with lots of life left
(center grooves very visible): $100
- King Iris bottle cages: $12 each or both for $20

If the frame sells alone, these plus other parts will be available for sale
individually.

Not including seat post, saddle, pedals or cockpit. For local pickup in the
SF Bay Area, I'll leave the Honjo fenders mounted, if shipping, most likely
will need to remove, but will include for free if you want them.

Offers accepted.

Photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/42609611155/in/album-72157622508702300/
Scroll to the left to see more details.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Thanks again for every suggestion and insight, and especially to the super
awesome person who had a bike map delivered/dropped at the hotel for me. I
wish you had signed your name, as I certainly was touched by the gesture.
Regrettably, the work plans got all complicated and I ended up leaving the
bike home. However, I expect to be able to make some room on Monday to rent
a bike and go for a ride.

With all the new guidelines and suggestions plus my brand new map, I’ll
certainly try to ensure I can bring my bike whenever another chance comes
up to come to DC.

You guys all rock!

René


On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:55 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> “I’m just a bill. And I’m sittin’ here on Capitol Hill.”. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Awesome! Thanks!

That route looks great. I'm still working on the logistics but all the info
everyone sent has been very helpful.

René

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:

> While you're doing that night ride it's worth going up to the White House
> and the Capitol too.  You'll find a bunch of routes in RWGPS if you search
> for "moonlight monument" within 10 miles of Alexandria, including several
> of mine.  This one https://ridewithgps.com/routes/2312 starts at the
> Renaissance Hotel.
>
> On 04/30/2018 07:33 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>
> Got it. Thanks!
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
> elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> I just meant that DC is pretty much encircled by off-street, multi-use
>> paths (the Capital Crescent Trail; the Mount Vernon and the Custis Trails;
>> the Anacostia Riverwalk Trail [although technically a lot of that is
>> through the city -- it's just along one of the rivers]), as well as by two
>> that go through the city (Rock Creek Park Trail, although that one is in
>> such poor condition in some spots that it's really only fun to ride on the
>> weekends, when they close off the adjacent Parkway to cars; and the
>> Metropolitan Branch Trail, which doesn't go for very far before you have to
>> go onto city streets). The map makes it clear where those are and which
>> city streets best get to them...
>>
>> I would include Hains Point in that list, but technically it is a street.
>> :-) But since it's a loop around a park, there isn't traffic, per se.
>>
>> And I'll add my +1 for riding around the Mall/the monuments at night!
>> They're beautiful.
>>
>> Enjoy the city!
>>
>> -- Liz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 4:06:38 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Liz! I'll do that.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "access to and from the off-street trails"?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
>>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>
>>>> The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the
>>>> shops in the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC
>>>> bicycle map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more
>>>> important, access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are
>>>> quite a few. BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=440+K+Street+Northwest+%28K+Street+NW=gmail=g>,
>>>> between 4th and 5th Streets).
>>>>
>>>> Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper map):
>>>> http://godcgo.com/bike/
>>>>
>>>> Have a lovely visit!
>>>>
>>>> Liz Sherwood
>>>> Washington, DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting,
>>>>> and was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get 
>>>>> some
>>>>> nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel
>>>>> Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although 
>>>>> I
>>>>> could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an
>>>>> option as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of
>>>>> traffic that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth
>>>>> exploring? Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long 
>>>>> at
>>>>> most.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Got it. Thanks!

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rene,
>
> I just meant that DC is pretty much encircled by off-street, multi-use
> paths (the Capital Crescent Trail; the Mount Vernon and the Custis Trails;
> the Anacostia Riverwalk Trail [although technically a lot of that is
> through the city -- it's just along one of the rivers]), as well as by two
> that go through the city (Rock Creek Park Trail, although that one is in
> such poor condition in some spots that it's really only fun to ride on the
> weekends, when they close off the adjacent Parkway to cars; and the
> Metropolitan Branch Trail, which doesn't go for very far before you have to
> go onto city streets). The map makes it clear where those are and which
> city streets best get to them...
>
> I would include Hains Point in that list, but technically it is a street.
> :-) But since it's a loop around a park, there isn't traffic, per se.
>
> And I'll add my +1 for riding around the Mall/the monuments at night!
> They're beautiful.
>
> Enjoy the city!
>
> -- Liz
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 4:06:38 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Liz! I'll do that.
>>
>> What do you mean by "access to and from the off-street trails"?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rene,
>>>
>>> The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the shops
>>> in the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC bicycle
>>> map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more important,
>>> access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are quite a few.
>>> BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW
>>> ,
>>> between 4th and 5th Streets).
>>>
>>> Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper map):
>>> http://godcgo.com/bike/
>>>
>>> Have a lovely visit!
>>>
>>> Liz Sherwood
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting,
 and was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get some
 nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel
 Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although I
 could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an
 option as well.

 What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of
 traffic that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth
 exploring? Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long at
 most.

 Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,

 René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Night riding... worth considering! Thanks all!

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Liz! I'll do that.
>
> What do you mean by "access to and from the off-street trails"?
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
> elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the shops
>> in the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC bicycle
>> map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more important,
>> access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are quite a few.
>> BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=440+K+Street+Northwest+(K+Street+NW=gmail=g>,
>> between 4th and 5th Streets).
>>
>> Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper map):
>> http://godcgo.com/bike/
>>
>> Have a lovely visit!
>>
>> Liz Sherwood
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting, and
>>> was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get some
>>> nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel
>>> Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although I
>>> could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an
>>> option as well.
>>>
>>> What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of
>>> traffic that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth
>>> exploring? Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long at
>>> most.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Thanks Liz! I'll do that.

What do you mean by "access to and from the off-street trails"?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
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> Hi Rene,
>
> The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the shops
> in the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC bicycle
> map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more important,
> access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are quite a few.
> BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW
> ,
> between 4th and 5th Streets).
>
> Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper map):
> http://godcgo.com/bike/
>
> Have a lovely visit!
>
> Liz Sherwood
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting, and
>> was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get some
>> nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel
>> Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although I
>> could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an
>> option as well.
>>
>> What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of
>> traffic that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth
>> exploring? Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long at
>> most.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,
>>
>> René
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Thank you all!

Sounds like a plan.

René

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Howard Hatten  wrote:

> Hi Rene,
> I stayed at the Renaissance for a couple days at the end of my Gap-C
> tour. They had no problem with me taking my bike up to my room every day.
> As far as the riding I had no problem around town. Most of the main streets
> have bike lanes. I enjoyed riding around the mall. Since your close you
> might as well go ride some miles on the tow path.
> Have fun
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
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[RBW] Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[René Sterental]

Hi all,

I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting, and
was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get some
nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel
Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although I
could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an
option as well.

What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of traffic
that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth exploring?
Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long at most.

Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,

René

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Re: [RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[René Sterental]

Wow! Just awesome.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Carla, Mark only swapped out the verticals dropouts for the track style
> Quickbeam dropouts. Had I been thinking it through better I would have also
> had him remove the derailire cable guides and downtube shifting posts. But
> those make good reminders of where he’s come from, just like all my
> oddities. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Low Trail 61 cm Atlantis frame, fork and CK headset for sale - 700c

[René Sterental]

Sold.

On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 4:34 PM René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Hope everyone has had a very hice holiday!
>
> I’ve decided to break down the bike and move some of the parts to my
> Homer, so in this post I’m offering my custom painted (original color but
> custom details) 61 cm (700c) frame, low trail fork made by Tom Matchak and
> Chris King silver headset. The condition of the paint is perfect, except
> for the typical area behind the crank where the chain marks the paint when
> it gets sucked and stuck between the ring and the chain stay.
>
> Please note, the custom low trail fork is made for a maximum of a 50mm
> fender - maximum tire width of 42 - 44, unlike the original that can take a
> 60mm fender and a 50 mm tire.
>
> Asking $2,200 + shipping via Bike Flights.
>
> Will be listing the rest of the parts separately, but if interested in
> some of the following, I won’t need to remove them:
> - Paul Comp Touring Cantilever polished front and rear brakes - $200
> - Front and Rear Nitto 27F low-rider racks - attached to the brakes above
> $500 (including the brakes as I won’t have to go through the hassle of
> removing them) - I’m selling the racks alone for $400 including shipping,
> but have two interested buyers so waiting on them in case the buyer of the
> frame doesn’t want the racks. First priority will go the the buyer of the
> frame as I’d rather not detach the racks and brakes at all.
>
> I have yet to disassemble the bike, will do so by the end of the week and
> detailed photos will be provided.
>
> If interested in any other parts, let me know. I’ve decided to keep the
> wheel set and the RH crankset to put on the Homer.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> René
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[RBW] Re: Bump - FS: 61cm Waterford Atlantis frame, low trail custom fork and CK headset - $1,500 OBO

[René Sterental]

Sold.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:31 PM René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The upcoming lower cost Taiwanese Atlantii calls for a reduction in the
> asking price for my beloved frame. Now asking $1500 including shipping to
> CONUSA or pickup in the SF South Bay for $1400.
>
> Included is the Chris King headset with a drilled cable stop I was using
> to attach the Berthoud decaleur so it wouldn't interfere with the height or
> type of handlebar, plus a fork mounted cable stop for the cantilever brakes
> you'll probably use.
>
> Note: The custom low trail fork has a maximum tire size or 700x40 and 50mm
> fenders. The original fork has a capacity of 50mm tires, and is also
> included. Even though the paint color is theoretically the same, it doesn't
> quite match the new custom paint job I had done when the custom fork was
> made and painted.
>
> Photos:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/38814361130/in/datetaken-public/
> Keep scrolling for more detailed photos.
>
> Photos of the Atlantis during its lifetime with me:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157625129486363
>
> Other parts will be posted in time, when I have time to clean them nicely,
> but if you're interested, contact me off-list.
>
> I'll have the frame packed by my LBS and shipping will be via Bike Flights.
>

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Re: [RBW] Pre-MIT Atlantis vs. Hunq for more roadish riding

[René Sterental]

Hi Tom,

For whatever it's worth, I had a Hunqapillar and (still) an Atlantis. When
I had to decide which one to keep, and since I was doing pretty much just
road riding, the Atlantis won hands down. I don't really know what it was
exactly that made the difference, but riding the Atlantis was heaven to
earth compared to riding the Hunqapillar on the road for me.

I'm trying to downsize, which is why now the Atlantis frame is for sale.
Even though my custom and my Atlantis have the same tubing, the custom fits
so perfectly that again, I perceive its ride quality to be much more suited
to me. Without the custom, only my Homer was superior to the Atlantis for
road riding.

René

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:38 PM, tc  wrote:

> For those who've owned both, or have significant time on both, how would
> you compare them for road riding?
>
> I get the idea that a lot of people (no, not all) use their Hunq's for
> more roadish ventures than not.
>
> I imagine that as off-road riding veers toward rougher stuff, the Hunq
> would perform better.
>
> Does the pre-MIT Atlantis perform significantly better as the riding veers
> toward more road riding?
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis fork axle to crown

[René Sterental]

Hi Mike,

Sorry about the delay, I was out of town.

My original Atlantis fork for my 61cm 700c frame measures about 39.4cm
(hard to get an exact measurement) in a straight line from the top of the
crown (right above the middle white dot) to the center of the axle, and
when trying to measure along the curve of the fork, the measurement comes
to about 41cm.

If you need more precision than that, I can try using a string and then
measuring the string, but I'd need to enroll my wife to help me out.

Hope this helps,

René

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> Mike,
> 400mm...tape end hooked on a pencil in the dropouts to the crown race.
> - Frank
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[RBW] Bump - FS: 61cm Waterford Atlantis frame, low trail custom fork and CK headset - $1,500 OBO

[René Sterental]

Hi all,

The upcoming lower cost Taiwanese Atlantii calls for a reduction in the
asking price for my beloved frame. Now asking $1500 including shipping to
CONUSA or pickup in the SF South Bay for $1400.

Included is the Chris King headset with a drilled cable stop I was using to
attach the Berthoud decaleur so it wouldn't interfere with the height or
type of handlebar, plus a fork mounted cable stop for the cantilever brakes
you'll probably use.

Note: The custom low trail fork has a maximum tire size or 700x40 and 50mm
fenders. The original fork has a capacity of 50mm tires, and is also
included. Even though the paint color is theoretically the same, it doesn't
quite match the new custom paint job I had done when the custom fork was
made and painted.

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/38814361130/in/datetaken-
public/
Keep scrolling for more detailed photos.

Photos of the Atlantis during its lifetime with me: https://www.flickr.com/
photos/orthie251/albums/72157625129486363

Other parts will be posted in time, when I have time to clean them nicely,
but if you're interested, contact me off-list.

I'll have the frame packed by my LBS and shipping will be via Bike Flights.

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis fork axle to crown

[René Sterental]

Do you want a straIght line measurement or along the fork?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:04 PM  wrote:

> Hey there group,  specifically Atlantis owners, would a couple of you be
> able to take measurements of the axle to criwn length on your Atlantis
> forks?   Im sure they are going to differ slightly because of all the
> different versions over the years.   Thank you!!   -Mike
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[RBW] Re: Low Trail custom paint 61cm 700c Atlantis FF+CK headset - $1,800 shipped OBO

[René Sterental]

Refreshing the thread. I'm open to offers. Want to find a nice home for it.

René

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:03 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgot to clarify shipping in CONUSA is included.
>
> René
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:00 PM René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The time has come. I finally had some time to dissasemble the bike and am
>> posting the frame, custom low trail fork + original fork for sale. Included
>> is the Chris King headset with a drilled cable stop I was using to attach
>> the Berthoud decaleur so it wouldn't interfere with the height or type of
>> handlebar, plus a fork mounted cable stop for the cantilever brakes you'll
>> probably use.
>>
>> Note: The custom low trail fork has a maximum tire size or 700x40 and
>> 50mm fenders. The original fork has a capacity of 50mm tires, I believe.
>> Even though the paint color is theoretically the same, it doesn't quite
>> match the new custom paint job I had done when the custom fork was made and
>> painted.
>>
>> Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/38814361130/in/datetaken-
>> public/
>> Keep scrolling for more detailed photos.
>>
>> Photos of the Atlantis during its lifetime with me:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157625129486363
>>
>> Other parts will be posted in time, when I have time to clean them
>> nicely, but if you're interested, contact me off-list.
>>
>> I'll have the frame packed by my LBS and shipping will be via Bike
>> Flights.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions or other offers.
>>
>> René
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Low Trail custom paint 61cm 700c Atlantis FF+CK headset - $1,800 shipped OBO

[René Sterental]

Forgot to clarify shipping in CONUSA is included.

René

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:00 PM René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The time has come. I finally had some time to dissasemble the bike and am
> posting the frame, custom low trail fork + original fork for sale. Included
> is the Chris King headset with a drilled cable stop I was using to attach
> the Berthoud decaleur so it wouldn't interfere with the height or type of
> handlebar, plus a fork mounted cable stop for the cantilever brakes you'll
> probably use.
>
> Note: The custom low trail fork has a maximum tire size or 700x40 and 50mm
> fenders. The original fork has a capacity of 50mm tires, I believe. Even
> though the paint color is theoretically the same, it doesn't quite match
> the new custom paint job I had done when the custom fork was made and
> painted.
>
> Photos:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/38814361130/in/datetaken-public/
> Keep scrolling for more detailed photos.
>
> Photos of the Atlantis during its lifetime with me:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157625129486363
>
> Other parts will be posted in time, when I have time to clean them nicely,
> but if you're interested, contact me off-list.
>
> I'll have the frame packed by my LBS and shipping will be via Bike Flights.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions or other offers.
>
> René
>

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[RBW] FS: Low Trail custom paint 61cm 700c Atlantis FF+CK headset - $1,800 shipped OBO

[René Sterental]

The time has come. I finally had some time to dissasemble the bike and am
posting the frame, custom low trail fork + original fork for sale. Included
is the Chris King headset with a drilled cable stop I was using to attach
the Berthoud decaleur so it wouldn't interfere with the height or type of
handlebar, plus a fork mounted cable stop for the cantilever brakes you'll
probably use.

Note: The custom low trail fork has a maximum tire size or 700x40 and 50mm
fenders. The original fork has a capacity of 50mm tires, I believe. Even
though the paint color is theoretically the same, it doesn't quite match
the new custom paint job I had done when the custom fork was made and
painted.

Photos:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/38814361130/in/datetaken-public/
Keep scrolling for more detailed photos.

Photos of the Atlantis during its lifetime with me:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157625129486363

Other parts will be posted in time, when I have time to clean them nicely,
but if you're interested, contact me off-list.

I'll have the frame packed by my LBS and shipping will be via Bike Flights.

Let me know if you have any questions or other offers.

René

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Re: [RBW] Bar wrap direction

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ted!

Makes perfect sense. I'm not riding drop bars now, but if I ever switch
back, I'll give this a try.

René

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:08 PM, RonaTD  wrote:

> René asked:
> > Just out of curiosity, when wrapping the tape this way, how do you hold
> both ends under the brake lever so they don’t unwrap?
> > And how do you ensure there are no gaps between both tapes on the
> opposite side of the lever?
>
> Good questions. I should have noted that I’m talking about standard drop
> bars and brake levers with hoods. The tape ends at the brake lever and runs
> up the side of the body. I orient the wrap direction so that the two halves
> end on each side of the lever body. If I want to ensure no gaps, I use a
> short piece of tape run at a bit of an angle from one side of the lever
> body to the other. The brake hood covers all the ends and holds them in
> place. I have also removed the brake lever body, leaving the clamp band in
> place, taped the bar, then installed the brake lever on top of the tape. It
> only works with thin tape, and some levers make that easier than others.
> If you don’t have hoods on the brake levers, you could try that.
>
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Re: [RBW] Bar wrap direction

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Just out of curiosity, when wrapping the tape this way, how do you hold
both ends under the brake lever so they don’t unwrap? And how do you ensure
there are no gaps between both tapes on the opposite side of the lever?

René - trying to wrap my mind around this...

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> Both! I wrap from the end to the brake lever and from the stem to the
> brake lever. No twine or tucking necessary. Works especially well if doing
> a weave.
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Re: [RBW] Oddly Harmonic Pastel Brutal Chill: Riding into the New Year

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Beautiful. Happy New Year!

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:05 AM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> In which the clay of creation reveals the violence and pain and tears of
> this fallen world are not the final answer.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/oddly-harmonic-pastel-brutal-chill
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> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Happy Hogmanay! (Scottish New Years)

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Happy New Year Patrick!

As always, you’re a beacon to guide us.

All the best in the new year!

René

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> In which sunrise on the last day of the year is spectacular, a wee bit of
> dandruff falls, we discover fixing a flat at 10˚F is not as fun as it
> sounds, and the adventure of it all remains a wondrous gift.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Low Trail 61 cm Atlantis frame, fork and CK headset for sale - 700c

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Hi Tom,

The short version of the story (you can look for the long versions by
searching for my old posts) is that when riding my Atlantis initially with
a medium saddlebag for my commute, I discovered it would shimmy when going
faster, especially on slight downhills. A search online for shimmy (first
time I encountered it) led to an article that someone had posted earlier
about curing the shimmy on their Atlantis with a custom low-trail fork.
That led to a search and education on what fork trail meant, a discovery of
Jan’s (and others) writings, etc.

Some time later, perhaps a year or so, can’t remember exactly now, I asked
Tom Matchak to make two custom low trail (40mm based on Jan’s
recommendations) forks for my Atlantis and Hunqapillar. That led to a
custom repaint job for both bikes as well. I never liked the gray/plum
original Hunqapillar colors, so I had it repainted in pewter and cream
which I loved, but on both the Homer and the Atlantis, I think the original
colors selected by Grant and painted by Waterford were so perfect I
couldn’t do better, so the custom details were the down tube panel and the
decals the painter (RBW official painter) had.

I loved how both bikes handled with their low trail forks, switched to
front loading and the rest is history... :-)

Needless to say, I’ve never had shimmy on the Atlantis again. Whether it
was the low trail fork, switching to front loading vs rear loading, a
combination of both or whatever, is not important to me. IMHO, the ride of
the Atlantis as I rode it, improved significantly. I’m not contesting
people who front load their bikes with the original geometry and say it’s
fine; this is not the point. But, for those who would like to get a better
handling (again IMHO) front loaded Atlantis, this is a significant
improvement.

BTW, I’m also including the original fork with the frame, so any buyer is
welcome to do their own tests and compare.

And, if current asking price feels too high, please feel free to make an
offer.

Happy (almost) New Year to you as well! :-)

René

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 5:12 AM tc  wrote:

> Hey René,
> I'm curious about the low trail fork, what you expected out of it vs. the
> stock fork, and how it ended up affecting handling of this bike.  Thanks.
> It's a beautiful bike.
>
> Happy (almost) new year to you, too!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My low-trail Atlantis is coming up for sale...

[René Sterental]

Apologies for any confusion I may have created. I probably shouldn’t have
sent out this “feeler” to the group. After a few days of more careful
consideration, I’ve decided to disassemble the bike and sell the frame/fork
and parts separately, while keeping some of them to move to my Homer, which
I’m going to be keeping for now. At some point in the future, there may be
a decision between keeping the Homer vs. the Cheviot, but each of these is
unique enough on its own and aside from riding preferences, distinct enough
to my custom as well.

I’ve created a separate thread for the frame and fork and even though the
timing isn’t optimal, right after Christmas, and given that I’m in no rush,
we’ll see what happens.

You can imagine how I’m battling my emotions on this issue, after putting
so much love, care and money on my Atlantis. It’s just that this is what I
need to do now, so please, excuse my clumsiness.

Sometimes it’s not easy to do the right thing, but I want this bike to be
ridden and enjoyed, not just remain hanging in my garage. And I also want
to own less stuff.

Happy New Year!

René

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> This is more like a museum piece than a mere 'bike'!  Wow.
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[RBW] Low Trail 61 cm Atlantis frame, fork and CK headset for sale - 700c

[René Sterental]

Hi all,

Hope everyone has had a very hice holiday!

I’ve decided to break down the bike and move some of the parts to my Homer,
so in this post I’m offering my custom painted (original color but custom
details) 61 cm (700c) frame, low trail fork made by Tom Matchak and Chris
King silver headset. The condition of the paint is perfect, except for the
typical area behind the crank where the chain marks the paint when it gets
sucked and stuck between the ring and the chain stay.

Please note, the custom low trail fork is made for a maximum of a 50mm
fender - maximum tire width of 42 - 44, unlike the original that can take a
60mm fender and a 50 mm tire.

Asking $2,200 + shipping via Bike Flights.

Will be listing the rest of the parts separately, but if interested in some
of the following, I won’t need to remove them:
- Paul Comp Touring Cantilever polished front and rear brakes - $200
- Front and Rear Nitto 27F low-rider racks - attached to the brakes above
$500 (including the brakes as I won’t have to go through the hassle of
removing them) - I’m selling the racks alone for $400 including shipping,
but have two interested buyers so waiting on them in case the buyer of the
frame doesn’t want the racks. First priority will go the the buyer of the
frame as I’d rather not detach the racks and brakes at all.

I have yet to disassemble the bike, will do so by the end of the week and
detailed photos will be provided.

If interested in any other parts, let me know. I’ve decided to keep the
wheel set and the RH crankset to put on the Homer.

Happy New Year!

René

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[RBW] My low-trail Atlantis is coming up for sale...

[René Sterental]

Hello all and Happy Holidays!

As part of my ongoing journey with life and cycling and other stuff, the
next step in downsizing has arrived. The short story is that I'm going to
put my custom fork low-trail 61cm Atlantis (custom painted) for sale. I
know the odds of selling it complete are very low, but nevertheless, if
anyone is interested in making any offers, please e-mail me privately. Most
likely, it will be disassembled to sell as frame + fork + headset + any
additional parts the buyer wants, since most people in this list have tons
of parts and want to build the bike to their specs. Still, there may be
someone who says "I was just looking for something like this for my 
and this was meant to come my way"... :-)

Photos of the complete bike are here: http://alturl.com/apw7q

I've made some minor changes since these photos were taken and will upload
the most recent photos with the Chocomoose bars and a Brooks saddle.

Here are the details of the complete build:
- 61 cm custom painted (original color + downtube panel & decal with low
trail fork (I'll include the original fork as well, although the paint
looks different)
- 700c 36 spoked polished Atlas rims with rear White Industries MI-5 hub
and front Sondelux Widebody Dynamo hub with 700x38 Compass Barlow Pass
tires.
- 10 speed drivetrain with the René Herse triple crankset, 24/38/46 and
11/36 cassette, and Shimano 10 sp XT chain
- Campagnolo FD
- Shimano XT long cage RD
- Shimano 10 speed downtube shifters
- Smooth Honjo fenders
- King bottle cages
- Nitto S83 seatpost (not the lugged seatpost shown on some of the photos)
- Brooks Cambium C17 saddle
- Choco Moose handlebar
- Shimano brake levers (not the Paul's shown on the images)
- F/R Paul polished Touring Cantilever brakes
- Front Nitto Campee 27F low rider pannier rack
- Rear Nitto Campee 27F  pannier rack
- Edelux 2 polished front light

The main reason for my decision is that after I got my Steve Rex Custom,
this bike truly fits me wonderfully and has exceeded all my expectations in
terms of fit, comfort, feeling one with the bike, etc. There is a ton of
overlap between my custom and my Atlantis, which actually was instrumental
in helping me understand how I wanted my bike to fit me and feel when
riding it. I've also been moving lately to downsize and reduce clutter, and
having so many bikes (for me) is one of the areas that I strongly feel I
need to address. I don't want to have a wonderful bike just hanging from a
rack because I don't ride it but am too egotistical to let go so it can do
for someone else what it did for me.

And, I'd still have the Homer, the Cheviot, and the Hubbuhubbuh around to
deal with. Plus my Bike Friday Lama to take when traveling and my carbon
Santa Cruz Tallboy LT for MTB, which I haven't done in several years... so
plenty of opportunity to keep what I need and let go what I don't need.

Anyway, if anyone is interested in the whole bike or parts, please e-mail
me privately. I'm in no rush, but want to actually take the next steps.

Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanzaa, and again,
Happy Holidays in case I'm missing any other!!!

Rene

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbubhubbuh tandem report

[René Sterental]

Great photos and stories!

How did you attach the rear rack so it would not interfere with the rear
disc brake?

René

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:47 PM, M G  wrote:

> Hi - those are WTB slicks - they're excellent.  I found them in the UK on
> super special for approx $50 each.  I've seen them anywhere up to around
> $70.  If I could fit the WTBs on my 650b single [which fits Hetres +
> fenders] I would...i think they're great tires [can't lose the fenders
> because rain bike / city bike].
>
> I have compass tires on some other bikes / i like them, but there are a
> lot of other options out there, esp for heavier bikes like tandems / city
> bikes etc.
>
> +1 on the fork bends - really beautiful, and perhaps that's a piece of the
> smooth / suspended feeling [though those tires must be a piece of it!]
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 1:27:14 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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>> Congrats
>>
>> Love those fork leg bends. Nice.
>>
>> What tires are those and how much do they cost? From the pics they look
>> like they may be a nice alternative to the Compass slicks tires.
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Re: [RBW] Latex 650b Tubes

[René Sterental]

I tried latex tubes on my Homer. Loved the feel, hated the fact I had to
pump the tires up every day, as compared to once a week with the thin
Schwalbe tubes. Then I got a flat... didn't know how to fix it quickly...
that was it, back to the ultra-light Schwalbe tubes.

René

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> I saw those, too.  Might be the best option if 650b is unavailable.
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Re: [RBW] Wtb Nitto Bullmoose

[René Sterental]

Which version are you looking for? There are three Bullmoose bars that I'm
aware of:
- The original MTB like
- The Bosco Bullmoose
- The Choco-moose

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> Hi All, anyone interested in selling me their handlebars?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hitch rack recommendations?

[René Sterental]

+1 for the 1UP. If you get the single one (which can have another one or
two added for a total of 3), you don't even need to open it to get to the
rear door if you have an SUV. Must be the same with a car, but haven't
tested it. I leave mine on permanently and folded; no interference on my
Highlander.

René

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:45 AM, dstein  wrote:

> I highly recommend 1UP. 100% MUSA. They sell adapters to work with
> fenders. I also really like it because it's easy to take on and off. I
> usually leave mine in the back of my car and only put it on the hitch when
> i'm going on a bike ride, it's that easy.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How much drop from the bar can I get out of a Berthoud decaleur?

[René Sterental]

I've gotten them in the past from:
- Ben's Cycles
- http://www.boulderbicycle.bike
- The Touring Store

Sometimes, based on availability, you have to order the correct length but
a different version and then separately, order the adapter to convert it to
yours. Boulder has that configuration in the 121mm, I believe.

If, by any chance, your brakes don't need a cable hanger (V-brakes) or some
other configuration where the rack doesn't attach to the fork crown and you
have the cable holder placed there (like I do in my Atlantis), you can
adapt a normal cable colder to be the holder for the decaleur:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/27565556620/in/album-72157625129486363/

This has the added advantage that the handlebar height/type doesn't
interfere with the decaleur.

René

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Dave, I always loop it.  - even had a photo with it closed
>
> 
> it wrinkles there a bit but everything works fine.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ron.  I've been curious about an aspect of decaleur use and this is
>> perfect time to ask.
>>
>> I use Acorn front bags with the stabilizer straps that came with it,
>> looped around my drop handlebars below the brake hoods.  When the lid is
>> closed, the top is laying over the bag's opening and the rearward flap
>> slips down behind the bag and I fasten the elastic band to the hook on the
>> bag.  In your picture and in many other pictures I've seen of decaleurs
>> installed, the 2 bars going from the stem to the bag occupy the same space
>> as the lid flap does when it's closed.
>>
>> How do you handle this---do you always leave your lid unfastened and
>> never loop it in?
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis Fender recommendations

[René Sterental]

Berthoud makes 60mm steel fenders, which are excellent as well. I had them
on my Hunqapillar before I sold it.

René

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:56 PM Bill  wrote:

> I'm using 52mm Velo Orange Zeppelins on Snoqualmie Pass tires with no
> issues. They're not overly roomy but I'm OK with what I've got. They'd be
> good with anything smaller, i.e., 42, 40, or 38. I've wrangled with Honjo
> installations before and these were much easier, even though they employ
> the same type of attachment.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Headbadge Poster Update - Help Needed

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Good!

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:02 AM MartyG  wrote:

> Rene - I have what I need for Hubbuhubbuh. Thanks.
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 5:40:13 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
>> Will do tomorrow when I get home. Traveling now.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:34 PM MartyG  wrote:
>>
> Thanks Rene - yes a better closeup would be great. Best if it's straight
>>> on, and a bit closer. If you have a macro setting, that would be even
>>> better. Or, just send the bike to me and I'll take care of it!
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 1:04:49 PM UTC-4, MartyG wrote:

 About time I updated the poster. Anyone have a good pic of the
 Hubbuhubbuh headbadge? Can't seem to find on anywhere. Others in the queue
 since this version are the Clem Smith, Roadini, ROscoe Bubbe and Frank
 Jones Sr., although that doesn;t seem to have been used yet. Any others I'm
 missing? PRefer hi-res shots from straight on, with a little space around
 the badge for cropping. Look at all these and you'll get the idea. PM me if
 you have questions and to get my email address.

 Thanks Bunch!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Headbadge Poster Update - Help Needed

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Will do tomorrow when I get home. Traveling now.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:34 PM MartyG  wrote:

> Thanks Rene - yes a better closeup would be great. Best if it's straight
> on, and a bit closer. If you have a macro setting, that would be even
> better. Or, just send the bike to me and I'll take care of it!
>
> Marty
>
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 1:04:49 PM UTC-4, MartyG wrote:
>>
>> About time I updated the poster. Anyone have a good pic of the
>> Hubbuhubbuh headbadge? Can't seem to find on anywhere. Others in the queue
>> since this version are the Clem Smith, Roadini, ROscoe Bubbe and Frank
>> Jones Sr., although that doesn;t seem to have been used yet. Any others I'm
>> missing? PRefer hi-res shots from straight on, with a little space around
>> the badge for cropping. Look at all these and you'll get the idea. PM me if
>> you have questions and to get my email address.
>>
>> Thanks Bunch!
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] You meet the nicest people on a Rivendell, even if ....

[René Sterental]

Indeed!

I went on vacation for a week with my wife, my son, his high school friends
and a few other parents to Mission Bay, San Diego. It was what my son
wanted as a graduation trip and I really needed a lot of doing nothing to
recover, so not having had a chance to ride much this year and having had a
serious setback with my weight loss battles, I decided to take the Cheviot
to ride around the area.

The rides were on the paved trail/lane/sidewalk that pedestrians and
cyclists on beach cruisers and skateboarders share, so it was nice, slow
and friendly. Most people ignored everyone else around them but there were
no accidents, no impatient riders and barely any lycra roadies. Needless to
say, I got complimented a few times by old ladies and regular guys on how
beautiful the bike was. No one seemed to know anything about Rivendell,
they just said "Beautiful Bike!".

I smiled back and rang my Spur bell every now and then to alert people who
were hogging the trail.

René

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... [even if] you are pushing it through the Saturday afternoon crowd in
> the narrow aisles of a discount Trader Joe's/Whole Foods clone (Sprout's;
> formerly Sunflower, until the owner of the latter got nailed for
> naughtiness of some sort).
>
> I was pushing the '03 through the crowded aisles of Sprouts Corrales this
> early afternoon; old ladies looks askance as if I'm dangerous; young
> matrons sniff and shove past; you are buttonholed everlastingly by the odd
> old codger.* But I had leaned the bike against the cheese island, for
> forays to the west end of the bulk aisle and north to the sodium nitrate
> (sausage and so forth) case, and west and south to the drinks section.
> ("Drinks" -- wine, beer, spirits -- the fizzy rotgot is far to the east.)
>
> I came back to home base and a young 40-something with potbelly was
> staring pensively at the Riv. He saw me and asked, "Is that a Raleigh"? I
> said, "No" and explained about small northern CA builder, had several
> customs, blah blah blah, and he replied, "I thinks bikes are just so
> beautiful." At which point I launched into my screed about how sure, the
> lugs are nice, and man, you should have seen the original $800 (?) paint
> job before Dave and Chauncey altered the frame and I had it powdercoated;
> and that the signature Riv feature is the fit, handling, ride.
>
> And that's not all! Down by the dairy case, a youngster, red headed lad
> all of 11 or 12, piped up and said, "Neat bike!"
>
> Bah! to all you frightened old ladies and hard faced soccer moms!**
>
> * Tho' I've had some very interesting conversations when buttonholed by
> old has-beens -- stock car racers, spies, fantasists ...
>
> **I generally lock it outside at busy times, but I had forgotten the lock.
> I do conscientiously defer to the old beldames (despite a tendency
> adequately described my my brother's retort to an old lady in line at the
> checkout, way back when and far far away, when she was being rude: "Just
> because you're old doesn't mean you have to be nasty".)
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Re: [RBW] The Gift of the Smile and Wave?

[René Sterental]

Very interesting! I had no idea...

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> https://www.minnpost.com/stroll/2016/02/rural-drivers-
> hi-sign-great-how-do-you-respond-if-youre-foot
>
> This is or was very common in the rural South a generation ago. It's not
> "meh" at all; it's a genuinely friendly greeting, but with dignified
> aloofness; no overeagerness; like tipping your hat to a woman in 1930 --
> sincere, but you are not being forward. It certainly means that you are
> considered part of the normal or legitimate landscape; you are accepted;
> you are one of our kind; you are not an uitlander.
>
> However, if transferred to the roadie environment, its meaning can vary
> from greeting friendly but generic, to subtle putdown; rather as if, riding
> your knobby tired mountain bike and pulling a trailer, you pass a rider
> obviously working hard on his Merckx and lift that Oh! so casual finger! in
> greeting, meaning both "Hi!" as well as "I just passed you, you loser!"
>
> Way back in 1978 my father retired to Carrolton, GA, NW corner, tail end
> of Appalachia; small college town. I recall driving around the very rural
> parts of the county as a last-gap fill-in for the 1980 census; slant-eyed
> outsider knocking on your door asking personal questions for the Federales.
> My brother, about the same time -- he was a regional class middle distance
> runner in So Cal and trained with the Greats -- trained out and around the
> rural roads wearing currently fashionable running gear, short shorts in
> bright colors, neon tights. Neither of us got anything except friendly
> fingertip waves like that described.
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> For some years now I’ve been riding the back roads to the backer roads
>> and trails and early on I became very intentional in waving and smiling to
>> every car/driver that passes me in either direction whenever it is safe for
>> me to do so. I did this for the selfish reason that it is going to help
>> drivers see me both now and thus be more likely to see me and others in the
>> future.
>>
>> For the first year I got “meh” equivalents in wet-noodle index finger
>> waves if I got anything at all.
>>
>> Year two, I began to get an occasional enthusiastic wave. I even saw
>> another person or two on a bicycle. In regular clothing, not the spandex
>> racing crowd just passing through.
>>
>> Year three, nearly every driver waves enthusiastically, sometimes even
>> initiating it, sometimes out the rolled down window, or the peace sign, or
>> thumbs up. I have met five or six people in street clothes riding their
>> bike, some now running errands, on the trail and roads that I used to have
>> all to my own.
>>
>> It’s all corollary, I know, yet strongly so. Prior to this we’d never
>> seen cyclists in street clothes, kids out riding. Is this the gift of a
>> whacky guy on a bicycle with bags, sometimes full, smiling and waving
>> wearing normal(ish) clothes? Either way, it is wonderful to see.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[René Sterental]

+3 for the WI hubs. I'm running them on 3 of my bikes with excellent
results so far. And they are beautiful as well. I have the polished silver
ones.

René

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:00 PM Kurt Manley  wrote:

> If you're going to use an XT hub make sure it's an older one. The newer
> ones, like others have mentioned, are crap. I shattered the freehub body in
> half twice on mine in a matter of a few months. I had it replaced with a
> nos older xt that still uses the steel axle. I have tortured those and they
> are good. I have another wheelset with LX hubs and they've been ok too but
> have not put a tremendous amount of miles on them.
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace
>> of mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider
>> the relative merits of these two "high end" options
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Re: [RBW] Rear rack adapter for Hubbuhubbuh tandems?

[René Sterental]

I called RBW and spoke to Roman. He knows there are plans to do one but it
hasn't happened yet. Grant was unavailable for more details, so I'll have
to call again.

René

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:26 AM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Does anyone recall mention of an adapter for putting a rack on the HHH
> tandems!
>
> I seem to recall reading that there would be some sort of adapter but I
> could be mistaken.
>
> Thank you,
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Re: [RBW] BQ Icon: First Rivendell Lugs

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Simply beautiful!

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 7:08 AM Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I agree!
>
> ​
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:
>
>> In every *Bicycle Quarterly*, we present an "Icon" - a part that we feel
>> is among the best of its kind. Some are classics, like the JOS headlight or
>> the Huret Jubilee derailleur, others more recent like the Shimano M-737 SPD
>> pedals, or even timeless, like the Brooks B-17 saddle. Together with a
>> beautiful studio photo, we talk about the history and significance of the
>> part.
>>
>> The Summer 2017 "Icon" are the first Rivendell lugs, originally designed
>> by Richard Sachs for Bridgestone, and used on the very first Rivendell Road
>> frames way back in 1994. You could say that the resurgence of lugged bikes
>> began with this lugset, and for good reason: It's still one of the most
>> elegant curly lugsets ever made. My linked attachments don't always come
>> through, so I posted a photo on our Instagram:
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/bikequarterly/
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Century

[René Sterental]

Awesome! You are an inspiration!

René

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:22 PM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Ha! Yes. Well put, Kai.
>
> My low gear (I have more combos, but really just use high and low) is
> 32x19 (with a 22t bail out gear I've only used climbing Pikes Peak), and I
> use the 32x19 for the long steady climbs. So Roughly miles 1-5, 85-90,
> 98-102. That 10 mile climb out of Deckers is interesting -- easy the first
> three miles, medium steep the next 5, and "I almost need to stand and
> pedal" steep for the last 2. But coming after 80-90 miles are already done,
> it feels steeper than it is to a wimp like me.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 6:52:43 PM UTC-6, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>>
>> 40x16÷100=awesomeness!
>> Beautiful country you got there
>> -Kai
>> BK NY
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Cheviot Day

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That looks like a mean Cheviot! You brought up its dangerous inner soul!

René

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 6:40 PM REC  wrote:

> They (the bike and the view) look beautiful.   The bike looks so "natural"
> in the setting, too
>
> Ride well!
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 3:25:55 PM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:
>
>> Hey RBW GG!
>>
>> I got a new Cheviot on Friday, built and rode on Saturday (yesterday). I
>> love how the frame and the paul racer's clear the 50mm Schwalbes. Going to
>> use this as a moderate mountain shredder klunker and commuter. It
>> complements my Hunqapillar and four other non-rivendell bikes. I officially
>> have too many bikes (so what). Pictured halfway down Bernal Heights Park or
>> Bernal Hill in SF just before golden hour or whatever.
>>
>> The crank situation is messed up because the non-driveside matching
>> Ritchey crankarm has a ruined taper, so I'm using a different one that has
>> a different Q-factor. Also the crank arm hits the front derailer when it's
>> in the big ring. Two problems I will solve if you have some Sugino XD2 arms
>> in 175mm to offer me. I also need a wider BB.
>>
>> Build highlights include:
>> Bullmoose bars with Oury Moto Grips
>> Paul Racer Center Pulls
>> Schwalbe big ben's in cream 700Cx50mm.
>> MKS Sneaker Pedals
>>
>> Thanks for looking.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing a few photos of my Sam with Albatross bars

[René Sterental]

Very nice!

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 6:42 PM REC  wrote:

> Beautiful!  Happy riding.
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 7:49:34 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
>> Hey All, Wanted to share a few photos to show off my Sam with the
>> Albatross set up. So far I really like them. This was also my first ride
>> with an incredibly awesome saddle bag made by Makeshifter Canvas Works from
>> Portland, OR.
>> https://goo.gl/photos/BejKUhvrGdmBAAQo6
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuh is finished!

[René Sterental]

Michael and Patrick,

Thanks for all the tips and suggestions. My son and I just completed our
first one hour ride on the trail at Shoreline Park and things got smoother
and smoother as the ride progressed. We both loved it and discovered quite
a number of subtleties to continue working on.

Michael, that chainring in the middle of the timing chain is genius! Like
an act of magic!


Thanks again!

René

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:41 PM Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Congratulations and welcome to the world of tandemming.  You have a pretty
> bike.  Don't get up tight with it; things will get easier as you relax into
> it.
>
> Here's a tip I use for keeping the timing chain adjusted.  Our Bilenky is
> a very long custom, with a very long stoker TT which puts the timing chain
> adjustment between links, much as you described. I put an old, 50 tooth
> chainring in the middle of the timing chain and then tighten the eccentric
> around it.  Since ours bike has couplers it's important to be able to get
> the timing chain off easily and quickly.  The extra chainring simply spins
> in place, when it's not starting conversations with curious strangers.
>
> I don't want to start a war on the RBW list but there's one compelling
> reason for using either straps or clips on a tandem.  If one rider looses
> contact with the pedal, e.g, from hitting a pot hole, then the other rider
> will keep pedaling which will bring the crank arm around and whack an ankle
> until their back in place.  As you can see from the picture my wife prefers
> straps & sneakers; I go with Frogs and Austin pedlars, which look like
> shoes and allow me to walk around & clip in quickly.
>
> We tour with our bike & more than once we have had crowds gather to watch
> how two people, four paniers, and two HB bags get going.  Easy.  Pat sits
> in, straps her feet, lowers the left pedal & tells me she's ready.  I clip
> in my left foot & say "UP", she lifts the pedals ( and usually asks me if
> the brakes are on) I say "Away" and push off with my right foot as we push
> down with the left.  I clip in on the right and away we go.
>
> BTW, people have been asking about tires.  We really like the Compass
> Slumgullion Pass. at 45 MM they are cushy on the dirt roads, fast on
> pavement, and quiet all the time.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 12:29:18 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
>> After being away for two weeks for work and waiting for parts, the
>> Hubbuhubbuh is finally finished!
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/Vpyjod - keep scrolling.
>>
>> I still want to add Fenders, and the front one will be Rinkoed, but I
>> need more time for that.  In the meantime, it's ready to roll and start us
>> on the tandem riding learning curve.
>>
>> First maiden ride was with my son, and it quickly highlighted the fact
>> that we do need to learn how to coordinate our action and do the team
>> dance. Very short maiden ride in front of the house, and by the end things
>> were much improved. I still was petrified to take my hands off the grips,
>> no shifts were done, starting and stopping successful but not smooth yet.
>>
>> It has made me realize that he and I need to practice plenty before I'm
>> comfortable enough to try to go for a try with my wife. I don't think it's
>> going to take long, but it's going to take some work for sure. Tandem
>> riding seems to be an exhilarating experience, it just adds another
>> dimension to the experience of riding a bike.
>>
>> I'm very happy I followed my "gut" and ordered the Hubbuhubbuh when
>> announced. If you're thinking about getting one on the next order, do so.
>> It's a whole new experience.
>>
>> A few notes:
>>
>> - The recommendation to use the Spar Urethane for the cork grips was
>> excellent. I really like how they turned out after three coats. Beautiful,
>> very smooth and great feeling when holding them.
>>
>> - On my frame, it seems the disc brake tab is not perfectly parallel to
>> the disc rotor. I swapped the Paul disc brake that like most mechanical
>> disc brakes only has one piston on the outside which would run the rotor a
>> lot, with a TRP Spyke mechanical disc brake which has pistons on both
>> sides, and after adjusting it, almost all of the ribbing was removed, with
>> the wheel spinning freely. I'm sure the little rubbing that remains will
>> disappear once I brake-in the pads and rotor, but I'm going to explore how
>> difficult it would be to straighten that tab, or what can be done about it.
>> I have a lot of experience with disc brakes on my mountain bikes, but have
>> never had to deal with this issue before.
>>
>> - I tried to use a quick link on the timing chain with the idea that it
>> would make it easy to open the chain to try different front/back pedal
>> positions, but found that it didn't allow me to get the proper chain
>> tension, essentially resulting in a extra link. So I removed it and now
>> only need a very minor twist to the eccentric. With the link and the
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuh is finished!

[René Sterental]

Julian, thanks for the video!

I had already read about that method as I bought the original book and also
found the information online. However, seeing the video clarified the one
element I was struggling with when applying the technique. It will also
help tremendously to show both my son and my wife.

Regarding the disc brake tab, aside from the alignment issue, which I don't
know if it's common or not, probably the main issue I forgot to mention is
that the caliper is already pushed all the way to the side to try to clear
the rotor; on the Paul brake, it just wasn't enough. On the TRP Skype,
while also being completely pushed outwards, there is somewhat slightly
more "adjustability". Neither of the Paul or TRP calipers come with washers
to allow the caliper to be rotated, the caliper can just slide in or out,
which requires the tab/adaptor to be perfectly parallel to the rotor.
Having used Avid's mechanical brakes in the past, I know they do come with
the washers, just like rim brake pads do, that allow the pads to be set
perfectly parallel to the rotor, even if the caliper/adaptor isn't. For
now, it's working well. I just want to see if there is a way to adjust for
this discrepancy. It may have been an individual quality variation on my
frame, or it's just the normal variation in the process, I don't know that
part. I'm sure I'll figure out how to completely solve for it as I research
the topic more.

Thanks again!

René

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Rene,
>
> Congratulations on the first ride!
>
> Bill McReady of Santana tandems is a promoter of what he calls "the proper
> method" for starting and stopping. I can't find a link on their website to
> his now old original article, but did find a short Youtube video of a
> couple demonstrating the method.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=pm4Hf4izxtw
>
> I find it really works to make things smooth -- that plus communication to
> your stoker of bumps, etc. as much as possible.
>
> You might want to take it out for a few short rides on your own w/o a
> stoker just to get the feel for the long bike in turns, stopping, etc.
>
> As far as your disk mount goes, I'm not sure I follow. On my setup the
> brake caliper is attached to an mount/adaptor, which is attached to the
> frame bosses. The mount/adaptor has a fair amount of side to side
> adjustment possible so a parallel setup of the caliper is fairly easy. Does
> your setup not have that adjustability?
>
> As far as the tire pressure goes, what is the recommended max on the
> Switchback Hills? We ride Hetres on our Bilenky -- usually at 50 +/- psi,
> even loaded and pulling a trailer I do not go over 60 psi, and we're (at
> least me) not a small team. On the HHH I'm running Maxxis Re-Fuse at
> about 45 psi so far, although they're a bit wider than
> the Switchback Hills.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> After being away for two weeks for work and waiting for parts, the
>> Hubbuhubbuh is finally finished!
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/Vpyjod - keep scrolling.
>>
>> I still want to add Fenders, and the front one will be Rinkoed, but I
>> need more time for that.  In the meantime, it's ready to roll and start us
>> on the tandem riding learning curve.
>>
>> First maiden ride was with my son, and it quickly highlighted the fact
>> that we do need to learn how to coordinate our action and do the team
>> dance. Very short maiden ride in front of the house, and by the end things
>> were much improved. I still was petrified to take my hands off the grips,
>> no shifts were done, starting and stopping successful but not smooth yet.
>>
>> It has made me realize that he and I need to practice plenty before I'm
>> comfortable enough to try to go for a try with my wife. I don't think it's
>> going to take long, but it's going to take some work for sure. Tandem
>> riding seems to be an exhilarating experience, it just adds another
>> dimension to the experience of riding a bike.
>>
>> I'm very happy I followed my "gut" and ordered the Hubbuhubbuh when
>> announced. If you're thinking about getting one on the next order, do so.
>> It's a whole new experience.
>>
>> A few notes:
>>
>> - The recommendation to use the Spar Urethane for the cork grips was
>> excellent. I really like how they turned out after three coats. Beautiful,
>> very smooth and great feeling when holding them.
>>
>> - On my frame, it seems the disc brake tab is not perfectly parallel to
>> the disc rotor. I swapped the Paul disc brake that like most mechanical
>> disc brakes only has one piston on the outside which would run the rotor a
>> lot, with a TRP Spyke mechanical disc brake which has pistons on both
>> sides, and after adjusting it, almost all of the ribbing was removed, with
>> the wheel spinning freely. I'm sure the little rubbing that remains will
>> disappear once I brake-in the pads and rotor, but I'm going to 

[RBW] The Hubbuhubbuh is finished!

[René Sterental]

After being away for two weeks for work and waiting for parts, the
Hubbuhubbuh is finally finished!

https://flic.kr/p/Vpyjod - keep scrolling.

I still want to add Fenders, and the front one will be Rinkoed, but I need
more time for that.  In the meantime, it's ready to roll and start us on
the tandem riding learning curve.

First maiden ride was with my son, and it quickly highlighted the fact that
we do need to learn how to coordinate our action and do the team dance.
Very short maiden ride in front of the house, and by the end things were
much improved. I still was petrified to take my hands off the grips, no
shifts were done, starting and stopping successful but not smooth yet.

It has made me realize that he and I need to practice plenty before I'm
comfortable enough to try to go for a try with my wife. I don't think it's
going to take long, but it's going to take some work for sure. Tandem
riding seems to be an exhilarating experience, it just adds another
dimension to the experience of riding a bike.

I'm very happy I followed my "gut" and ordered the Hubbuhubbuh when
announced. If you're thinking about getting one on the next order, do so.
It's a whole new experience.

A few notes:

- The recommendation to use the Spar Urethane for the cork grips was
excellent. I really like how they turned out after three coats. Beautiful,
very smooth and great feeling when holding them.

- On my frame, it seems the disc brake tab is not perfectly parallel to the
disc rotor. I swapped the Paul disc brake that like most mechanical disc
brakes only has one piston on the outside which would run the rotor a lot,
with a TRP Spyke mechanical disc brake which has pistons on both sides, and
after adjusting it, almost all of the ribbing was removed, with the wheel
spinning freely. I'm sure the little rubbing that remains will disappear
once I brake-in the pads and rotor, but I'm going to explore how difficult
it would be to straighten that tab, or what can be done about it. I have a
lot of experience with disc brakes on my mountain bikes, but have never had
to deal with this issue before.

- I tried to use a quick link on the timing chain with the idea that it
would make it easy to open the chain to try different front/back pedal
positions, but found that it didn't allow me to get the proper chain
tension, essentially resulting in a extra link. So I removed it and now
only need a very minor twist to the eccentric. With the link and the
eccentric at its maximum chain length adjustment, it still seemed the chain
had too much slop. I saw a chain length recommendation from Mark/Grant but
have yet to count the number of links I currently have. I'll still bring
the Hubbuhubbuh to my LBS mechanic so he can check it and review the disc
brake tab issue.

- Love the Compass SwitchBack Hill 48mm tires. They roll super smooth and
fast. They come to about 50mm mounted on the Hubbuhubbuh rims. I did have
to inflate them beyond their recommended maximum since the tandem plus
riders is so much higher. I'll experiment with the pressure over time to
find the best one. How do folks with tandem experience deal with the tire
pressures?

This is all for now. I'll report as I get more riding experience.

René

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Re: [RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[René Sterental]

I can't really add anything meaningful regarding which bike to keep/get. My
personal preference is 100% Atlantis over Hunqapillar, but I'm not you.

What I would recommend is for you to ask yourself. "What will I regret the
most?
Selling the Hunqapillar to get the Atlantis or keeping the Hunqapillar?
The answer will probably become obvious to you fairly quickly. It's not
about what you want most or reasons for wanting it, but what you will
regret the most in the future.

René

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:04 PM William deRosset 
wrote:

> Dear Drew,
>
> It really depends on how you use your bikes.
>
> For example, if you own no car (or lack access to it during the week),
> commute farther than easy walk/run distance, and do not have good access to
> transit, then having two machines that at least overlap in this vital
> function is a very good idea.
>
> If you are not riding a bike, and you do not have space for it
> (wax+apartment decoration? Consider the possibilities of all that wall
> space...), and you have no real emotional attachment to it, then sell it.
> If it later turns out you Needed That Bike, then you have your lost
> treasure. It is good to have one or more that get away.
>
> The One Bike solution works well enough if you can find one that is good
> enough at everything you do on a bike. Most enthusiasts (and I tried hard
> to settle on one for years) end up with at least two, especially if they
> both do practical stuff and ride in pacelines.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M deRosset
> Fort Collins CO
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Re: [RBW] To shim or not to shim?

[René Sterental]

My experiences with the Nitto shims to try to fit 25.4 bars on 26mm stems
is the following:
- Once everything is set, they work very well.
- Installing them is a total PIA, as I end up scratching the bar since it's
so hard to slide them and adjust them in place when the center of the bar
is inside the stem. And I use the Nitto stem stretcher tool to open the
jaws of the stem to try to slide the three pieces in (2 shims + bar).

Maybe I haven't figured the way to do it correctly, which may require two
people + who knows what else, but as I stated, I end up scratching the bars
multiple times.

If anyone knows of a procedure to do it without scratching the bars, please
share.

René

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Sheldon Rothenberg 
wrote:

> I seek  wisdom on the mysteries of shims. I get that shims are a device
> that enable one to use different dimensioned handlebars for your bike. Does
> using one compromise safety or integrity? Would using one make it harder
> for a klutzy non-mechanic to remove handlebars for shipping and reinstall
> as in packing a bike for shipment and unpacking for the ride?
>
> The context is my preparing for an overseas bike camping trip. The
> moustache handlebars (handlbar mustache shaped)that are on my Rivendell
> All-Rounder are not very compatible with my Ortlieb handlebar bag. In
> looking for alternative handlebars that would give more clearance and  have
> slight drops  in-between road and mountain bars, I  found different but
> suitable bars from two sources. A Nitto model sold by Rivendell would
> require a shim. A one sold and made by Velo-Orange would not. In other
> words, should I make shim or non-shim a deciding factor or is it irrelevant
> in ease of packing and unpacking?
>
>
> Shelley
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Re: [RBW] Rear disc question for Hubbuhubbuh

[René Sterental]

For a 180mm rotor, you need the rear version of this adapter:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Brake-Adapters-1/Shimano-180mm-Is-Disc-Brake-Adaptor

René

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 7:48 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> I don't have much experience with disc brakes.
> I'm planning to run a cable actuated disc as a drag brake on the HHH.
>
> There was a Blug post that said to run a 40mm bracket with a 180mm rotor
> on the small size tandem.
> The bracket on mine measures 50mm on center for the mounting screws.
> To confuse matters further, the Avid BB7 180mm rotor I was looking at has
> no mention of bracket size but lists 74mm in the description.
> Is that a pad measurement?
> Is the 40mm bracket the de facto standard for that brake size or is this a
> case of caveat emptor?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Hubba disc adapter size

[René Sterental]

This is the adapter you need for a 200mm rotor:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-R203PS-Disc-Brake-Adaptor-Rear-203mm-Rotor-74mm-Caliper-51-Frame

René

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 11:19 AM Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Anybody know what size disc adapter I'd need for a hubba? Is the spacing
> 51mm?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[René Sterental]

Leah, you are the Biking Queen!!! See that girl, watch that bike, she is
the Biking Queen!!!

And that's an awesome Hat!

René

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM Ian A  wrote:

> What a great story! It reminds me of a time when I was touring and was
> accordingly in good shape and was riding along quite happily one day when a
> person, similarly attired to your carbon racers, but on a fast modern
> mountain bike, hopped close on my back wheel without asking. I was a little
> annoyed (I don't mind someone jumping on my wheel if they ask first), so
> pulled away and heard him breathing hard, I gave that pace a little time
> then sped up further.  A couple of miles down the road, I stopped (quite
> winded) and relaxed at a pull out, looking like I was enjoying the scenery.
> He came by looking very annoyed and didn't return my greeting. So I caught
> him and passed him! I was on a long tour and was riding a lot of hours a
> week, so I had an unfair advantage.
>
> IanA
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and
>> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of
>> humor ought not proceed.*
>>
>> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up
>> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their
>> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and
>> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the
>> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts
>> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really
>> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have
>> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like
>> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the
>> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision.
>> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and
>> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst
>> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I
>> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I
>> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do
>> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into
>> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill.
>>
>> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed
>> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said
>> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day,
>> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind
>> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me.
>>
>> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me.
>> "I don't know. It's friction shifting."
>> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
>> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best
>> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them
>> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I
>> will be riding it still in 40 years."
>>
>> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me,
>> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of
>> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look
>> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars
>> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love
>> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell,
>> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog
>> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear
>> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I
>> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had.
>> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right;
>> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details
>> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how
>> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally,
>> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is
>> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.
>>
>> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off
>> his bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me
>> the side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having
>> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor!
>>
>> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend.
>> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, 

Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[René Sterental]

I'm talking about their Fender Cushion:
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/

They don't damage the fenders at all, and the bike is kept quite snug. To
allow for the wide Honjo (650b 62mm) on my custom, I also installed their
Fat Tire adapters, so the fender cushions "float" within the wider adapter,
but it still works very well.

I'll post photos when I get home, during the Memorial Day Weekend.

They sell a roof rack variant, so you could do the same thing, although to
be honest, it may be quite cumbersome to operate on the roof of a car
without a step ladder; don't know for sure, unless the mechanism is
different.

The roof rack I used to use for my fender bikes before, was a Thule rack
that held the bike by the downtube and has apparently now been replaced by
the ProRide model. Since the bike is held by the downtube and the wheels
are tied to the rack, it allows fenders.

René

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:29 PM Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rene - what are the covers your refer to that interface with metal fenders
> on the 1up? I've been looking for a solid roof rack for fully fendered
> Rando machines and the 1up seems likely to damage fenders, no?
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[René Sterental]

I think the choice of the rack depends on whether you mind/don't mind the
rack attachments to touch your frame. If you don't, then the 1UP is the
best choice (only choice) for fendered bikes and with metal fenders
(haven't tested on plastic) their little covers hold the bike very solidly
even though you are clamping over the rear fender. I've driven hours on the
freeway with my fendered bike(s) on the 1UP with no issues at all.

If you don't mind the bike being held by the frame + tires, then any of the
tray + top tube racks work. Saris, Thule and Yakima offer variations on the
theme.

IMO, the one huge practical advantage of the single 1UP (you can manually
add up to three racks for those occasions, is that as I stated, I can leave
it permanently attached to the rear of the car and don't need to be
folding/unfolding it every time I need to put something in the back. Since
most of the time I'm just taking my bike somewhere for a ride, and it's
only on special occasions that I drive more people/bikes, this works
stupendously for me.  And, as stated, the 60 Cheviot fits perfectly.

René

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:41 PM Howard Hatten  wrote:

> 2. I second the saris freedom for the 60 Cheviot. I use it weekly and it
> is a solid platform for the step through frame.
>
> 3 I'm using the VO Zepplin 52 fenders with Compass Snoqualmie pass tires.
> The rear fender fit under the tectro r559 brake but I had to use a Paul
> racer brake on the front for clearance.  I don't ride this bike off road
> much but if I did I would look for smaller tires to get some more clearance.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/136422809@N08/R436zw
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> Enjoy the Chevs
> Howard
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[René Sterental]

I'm using the 1up rack with no issues on my 60cm Cheviot with the 44mm
Compass tires and 51mm Honjo fenders.

I bought the 1up Super Duty 2" single carrier + 1 bike extension which
allows me to leave it permanently on my Highlander and doesn't interfere
with opening the rear hatch when folded up. I add the second one only when
necessary.

Haven't measured the exact wheelbase, can do it when I go home on Friday
(traveling on business this week) but haven't had any issues. There are
some tips I can give you on positioning the bike with the fenders, but
they're very easy to figure out.

Those who've used wider tires can only fit them with plastic fenders, that
have less wraparound coverage in terms of width.

With Honjo, the ideal tire is the 38mm for perfect safe clearance, but for
city riding, you can get away with the 44mm tires comfortably. If you check
my photos, you can see it clearly. You do need to go with wider centerpull
brakes. https://flic.kr/p/N3JTfB

René


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Re: [RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[René Sterental]

Yes, excellent setup. I'll do mine next weekend when I'm back home.

Hurrah for the orange Hubbuhubbuhs!!!

René

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> I'm using Maxxis Re-Fuse 27.5 x 2.0 tires --they measure just over 51mm
> mounted after a week or so on the rims.
>
> The fenders are VO 700x63 fluted aluminum fenders. Did a slight massage of
> the fenders following Anton Tutter's tutorial  http://tinyurl.com/n8wy8cb
>  to get the fender line where I wanted it -- but they were pretty close
> out of the box. I've got plenty of clearance --as you can see in this
> closeup of the front wheel. In the back I spaced out from the kickstand
> plate about 1 cm using an old cork.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 5:22:13 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful!
>>
>> What tires and fenders are you using? I'm going to try to install (and
>> rinko the front fender) the Honjo smooth 650b x 62mm fender over the
>> Switchback Hill tires, even though Compass recommends going with a wider
>> one that they don't have or know about yet. They recommend going 40% wider
>> but also stated to ensure there are at least 25mm of clearance between the
>> fender and the tire.
>>
>> On the fork, there is currently 25mm of clearance (plenty more in the
>> rear) so I need to go with a really thin daruma, or else, use an L-bracket.
>>
>> How much clearance do you have?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:37 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Cool, thanks for that !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:

 KJ,

 From the pedal axle to the top of the saddle is  105.5 cm.

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL

 On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:17:52 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile
>> shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay
>> with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well.
>>
>> This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a
>> custom S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be 
>> lots
>> of fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing 
>> on
>> us.
>>
>> It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived
>> last week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun.
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[René Sterental]

Wonderful!

What tires and fenders are you using? I'm going to try to install (and
rinko the front fender) the Honjo smooth 650b x 62mm fender over the
Switchback Hill tires, even though Compass recommends going with a wider
one that they don't have or know about yet. They recommend going 40% wider
but also stated to ensure there are at least 25mm of clearance between the
fender and the tire.

On the fork, there is currently 25mm of clearance (plenty more in the rear)
so I need to go with a really thin daruma, or else, use an L-bracket.

How much clearance do you have?

René

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:37 PM Kieran J  wrote:

> Cool, thanks for that !
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> KJ,
>>
>> From the pedal axle to the top of the saddle is  105.5 cm.
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:17:52 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:

 I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile
 shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay
 with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well.

 This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a
 custom S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be lots
 of fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing on
 us.

 It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived
 last week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun.

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL

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Re: [RBW] What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[René Sterental]

I did mount the Compass Switchback Hill, 650b x 48mm and they look perfect.
I got the regular version, not the super light at their recommendation.
Haven't really ridden it yet, other than coast in my backyard as I'm still
waiting for the Motolites (Paul had some issue with one of their machines
and it has caused a big delay in making the parts that hold the brake pads,
apparently; they promised they'd ship by the end of this week, but I'm not
traveling on business and won't be home till Friday. I expect to be able to
go on my first tandem ride during the Memorial Day Weekend!

René

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> Good call on the Beat Farmers
>
> I'm using a set of Pacenti Quasi Motos
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

[René Sterental]

As I understand it, the Greenfield is an American copy of the Pletscher.
Maybe I'm wrong... I have both, and in my experience, the Pletscher is a
bit "tighter" meaning there's less play between the leg and the base.

René

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:52 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> FWIW, back when I had a more or less dedicated grocery beater, after
> trying 2 or 3 different types of 2-legged stands and finding that none held
> the bike up securely with asymmetrically and heavily (>15 lb each) rear
> panniers (and even with symmetrical loads, the bike could easily be knocked
> over), I switched to a cheap Greenfield stand mounted at the left rear
> dropout, and found that this did hold up unevenly loaded rear panniers, at
> least, it did so better than the 2-leggers.
>
> I recall trying the Pletscher and VO 2-leggers, but I know that there is
> another that is said to be considerably wider. At any rate, the Greenfield
> worked better for me than the first 2. And it's cheap. *And* it allowed
> me to wheel the bike thru the aisles with the stand down -- something you
> can't do with other types of stand and a fixed drivetrain.
>
> If I were to use a stand again (and I'm not planning to), I'd go back to
> the Greenfield; in fact, I kept it -- still have it.
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, be aware of the obvious few facts that the more loaded your bike
>> the more challenging it is on the stand, as well as the rougher/looser the
>> terrain the less useful a stand. For the riding I do, I gave up stands as
>> they were more often than not "delayed falls" rather than stands. Grin. But
>> I'm a big ogre with big ogre loads in big ogre terrain, so I'm likely the
>> exception.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>>> I haven't had a kickstand on a bicycle since...I don't remember when.
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Re: [RBW] Kickstand Props

[René Sterental]

Beware that the double stand when used against the kickstand plate in the
frame alone is not recommended by RBW since a few plates have been
bent/broken. They only recommend the single one. If you want to use the
double, they recommend using the top/bottom plates that attach to the chain
stays, but may marr them.

I have switched all my bikes to single kickstands, although for several
years I used the double on my Atlantis with no ill effects.

René

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:40 AM Surlyprof  wrote:

> Doug,
>
> I really liked the pletscher double as long as you have tire clearance.  I
> encountered a little tire rubbing during hard pedaling.  I was using Smart
> Sam 45s on a Hillborne so the clearances were already a little tight.
> Swapped it for a single and picked up a few more mms of clearance.
>
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Re: [RBW] Sam got hitched: breaking in the Cheviot with a C overnight

[René Sterental]

Wonderful! Her smile in the bike is priceless!

René

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 9:24 PM John Stowe  wrote:

> I've had my Sam Hillborne almost 5 years ago now, and I've been hoping to
> get my wife on a Riv since then. Our upcoming Erie Canal trip this summer
> provided the perfect excuse. Partial build from Gravel & Grind in
> Frederick, MD (co-owner Tracy generously offered us hers after a test ride,
> as there's currently a shortage of orange frames) with other parts
> scrounged from this list and the local coop (the second set of Dura Ace bar
> ends I've found there!) to keep costs down. A few minor refinements to
> make, but overall she's very happy with the pretty standard "Riv-ish"
> build. I liked the Spank Oozy pedals on the test ride and got an extra pair
> for my Sam.
>
> I finished building in time for a Friday morning (three Fridays ago, I'm
> slow sorting through pictures) "shake-down" commute, during which nothing
> broke, so it was off to Hagerstown to drop the kid with grandma. After
> Saturday morning's rain let up, we loaded up the bikes and went for a spin
> on the C Canal. We discovered a folk festival at Fort Frederick, with
> lots of canvas tents and colonial-era costumes, and ate dinner at a diner
> in Hancock, MD. Since we were trying some new camping gear as well as the
> new bike, we only went a couple of miles further to the next campsite,
> which we had all to ourselves, to leave time to make some mistakes and
> still get set up in daylight. Plus, 34 miles seemed like enough for a first
> outing on the Cheviot. In the morning we ate breakfast at the same
> restaurant, and did part of the return trip on the Western Maryland Rail
> Trail. Again, pretty deserted - maybe we're just used to the high weekend
> traffic in DC and Alexandria!
>
> Perhaps the rain kept a few people away, but we were surprised at how
> empty the trail was. There were stretches of an hour or more where we
> didn't encounter anyone else. There were some mud puddles here and there,
> but nothing too challenging despite our slick-ish tires. Definitely a
> confidence booster for us both looking forward to the Erie Canal in July.
>
> Coupla pics:
>
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Hubbah head badge question

[René Sterental]

Mine were already placed, but I picked it up in person.
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:38 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Fedex delivered the tandem on Saturday. The head badges came in the box,
> but not attached to the bike. I just wondered if everyone got theirs that
> way. It's not even remotely a big deal, just curious. To show the
> not-at-all-big-dealness of this: Many months ago, maybe even a year or
> more, I noticed the head badge on the AHH was loose. Of course, me being
> me, I did nothing. Since I always have my Berthoud handlebar bag on the
> bike, I never really see the head tube. So while doing maintenance and
> having the bag off, I noticed it was now gone. I emailed Will at Riv back
> in April and asked if I could pick one up when I'm in the bay area (Bay
> Area?) in June. He said that's too long to be without a head badge and
> mailed me one, gratis. They are the best!!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuh Gears

[René Sterental]

I'm using the Shuman 9 speed 12/36 on my Hubbuhubbuh to ensure I have a low
enough gear.

René
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 6:46 AM Daniel Jackson <
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> Hey Julian,
>
> Thanks for the reply. My main gearing question is whether or not gearing
> preferences from a single machine translate to a tandem. We know what we
> like on our own single machines but are unsure how to extrapolate this to a
> tandem.
>
> Re: drag braking I was simply concerned about the safety of using a
> shifter cable to actuate disc calipers - a big no no on mechanical lever
> driven discs. But someone pointed out that the forces are likely less at
> any given time and their application is gradual, which allayed my concerns
> a bit.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Redwood Identity Crisis. Tire recommendations needed.

[René Sterental]

+1 on the Barlow Pass tires and + everything on Patrick's experienced
feedback!

René

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 4:27 PM ted  wrote:

> Concur. My SimpleOne with Compass 700x35 does great on the SF bay levies.
> Google Strada Bianca (the race not the tire), even moderate road tires are
> fine for gravel tires.
>
>
> On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 3:51:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Barlow Pass IS a gravel tire, and top of the heap at that. In my
>> experience (Clement MSO, Barlow Pass), the Barlow Pass grip at least as
>> well as the Clement and are far smoother and quieter. Hands down, they are
>> the top of the 'gravel' category in this width for me.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 4:12:57 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>>>
>>> Monstercross is setup as a single speed, Thunder Burts, will soon have
>>> Albastaches.
>>> The Redwood has had Barlow Pass tires on it before, and they do fit
>>> fine. Those certainly are an option, I am curious about 'gravel' category
>>> tires that may fit as well.
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 3:36:53 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:

 How do you have the BMC set up? Mine is great for trails wearing 700x45
 knobbies. Personally, I would listen to the Redwood, put on some EL Barlows
 and let it be a road bike.

 KJ


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>
> My Riv Redwood has been fickle over the past couple years. It wanted
> to be a road bike, then it got the idea that it could fit 650b in the 46mm
> range. It went back and forth between those personalities for awhile.
> Lately it's been intimidated by other bikes that fit large volume tire
> bikes it shares garage hooks with. Riv Clem and BMC Monstercross are 
> making
> it feel unsure of its large volume tire capacities.
> So, it wants to go back to being a road bike, but has moved out of the
> city near gravel/dirt trails and wants to get some riding time in.
> I heard it talking about wanting to wear some 700x35 Panaracer Gravel
> King SK's. It feels comfortable wearing up to actual 38mm 700c tires.
>
> What tires would you recommend to the Redwood in its ongoing identity
> crisis?
> I'll pass along the info.
> David
> River Grove, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mudbeam Rides Rampart Reservoir

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Awesome report and photos!

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:13 PM Ian A  wrote:

> Really nice photos, Deacon. Great write up. My favorite sentence started
> "When I arrived at my pipe spot..." I like the idea of having a pipe spot,
> even if I don't smoke.
>
> IanA.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:48:50 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Today’s adventure, in which mud spouts were spotted on the skirts of
>> Pikes Peak, catkins begin emerging, crocus make a brilliant show, we visit
>> Pipe Peninsula, a bolt bolts, and an Irish Strap comes off the bench to
>> save the day and make a name for himself. Enjoy!
>>
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/mudbeam-aka-quickbeam-rides-rampart-reservoir
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Excellent!

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I don't
>> like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish on top of
>> it?
>>
>> René
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I don't
like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish on top of
it?

René

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> I have spar varnish (gloss) on my cork grips. One ride I forgot my gloves
> and thought my hands would be slipping off the grips when my hands  started
> sweating.
> No so... Gripped like glue.
>
>
> On May 11, 2017 3:55 PM, "René Sterental" <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So did I when I started it! Who knew?
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM Clayton.sf <clayton...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought this thread was almost silly when it first started, but I am
>>> learning a lot more than expected! Thanks!
>>>
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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So did I when I started it! Who knew?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM Clayton.sf  wrote:

> I thought this thread was almost silly when it first started, but I am
> learning a lot more than expected! Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] O/T pretty drivetrain

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Wow! Impressively awesome work and result. Brilliant!

René

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:34 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> You guys have complimented me more than once on my drivetrain photos.  I
> must show my latest, which I'm most proud of.
> Recently finished project, and a labor of love - hey I put a
> thousand-dollar wheelset on a hundred dollar frame, but it was exactly what
> I wanted.
> No more delays, the drivetrain.
>
>
> 
> 
>
>
> This *3x5
> *
> uses a cyclotouriste triple, half-steps plus granny, and 5-sp IRD
> freewheel.  Raleigh-branded Suntour VGT RD, Cyclone FD.
>
> I figured how to attach a Simplex chain guard to a the Cyclone FD, by by
> replacing the band-clamp bolt with an M5 (computer board) standoff.  The
> chainguard was made for a piston FD, but by picking the right standoff
> length, it centers the FD parallelogram in the chainguard hump.  The rest
> of the mounting hardware is all stock Simplex, with the exception I tapped
> one piece to replace a wussy French M4 with a stouter M5.
>
>
> The thousand dollar wheelset?  Well, this frame is a '57 Raleigh Lenton
> Grand Prix, bought as bare frame and fork, and I built the whole bike as
> bolt on without altering the frame in any way.  The frame was gun-metal
> blued beneath the paint, essentially making it rustproof, and the patina of
> the once-silver paint and faded decals is too pretty to change.
>
> The rear dropout spacing is close enough to 115mm, and the axle slots are
> 8mm (can't tell you how much time I spent filing the shouldered RD hanger
> nut and, especially, the opposite side dropout spacer).  The hubs are Phil,
> custom built on 115mm rear dropout spacing with 8mm bolted axles.  The hubs
> were designed by me and Michael R. at Phil.  Had to use an off-center
> Synergy rear rim to to get acceptable dish, approved by Phil Engineering.
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Learned a lot in the project - the single R/S shifter braze-on boss is
> very English and won't fit Huret, though I used a single Huret band clamp
> for the L/S shifter.  I couldn't stand the bare light mount boss on the
> fork, so I fitted it with a speargun tip converter, 5/16-24 to M6, and a
> Soma light mount, which put my Cygo lite in just the right place (Paul Gino
> also tapped to M6).
>
>
> 
> 
>
>
> And here's the rest:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> I've knocked off 250 mi, and the bike is a joy.  Fast, a great climber,
> and turns heads like the exorcist.
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Well, I decided to test the waters for the group and just placed an order
for the U-40. It would be great if it preserved the feel of the cork but
made it very easy to clean. We'll soon find out.

René

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:40 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Good thing your tandem has four grips.  You could pick another coating
> option for that one and do some real science.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
>> Yes, seriously considering all three now. Hm...
>>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:09 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
> Rene,
>>>   That may be the best option yet.
>>> Who knew.
>>>
>>> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Yes, seriously considering all three now. Hm...

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> Rene,
>   That may be the best option yet.
> Who knew.
>
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Actually, I found a large number of threads regarding using a product
called U40 (I think) to seal and restore cork in fishing rods and
Birkenstock sandals.

René

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM Ray Varella 
wrote:

> I did it for vanity Ryan.
> I've used the cork grips in their raw state and they end up looking dirty.
>
> They probably function better with no coating since the cork maintains
> it's nice dry texture.
>
> I'm sure very few, if any, fishermen shellacked the cork handles on their
> fishing rods.
>
> Ray
> Vallejo CA
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Re: [RBW] Orange Hubbuhubbah WOW!

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Thanks Ray! I'll look for some.

René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

>
> No need to adapt them Rene.
> They were very common on mountain bikes in the 80s.
>
> I attached a pic. If it doesn't show up I can send it privately.
>
> Lots of companies made them and they can still be found.
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 7:44:37 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
> > How are you going to adapt the quick releases for the seat posts?
> >
> >
> > René, still waiting on my polished Motolites...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:56 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
> > I got to see the orange tandem in the steel today.
> >
> > Anyone getting one is in for a great experience.
> >
> > All the colors are great but that orange just screams Funhouse.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mine is blue and it will take a little while before I can gather
> everything to build it.
> >
> >
> >
> > These really are some of the best tandems ever.
> >
> > Unless you are part of a team that always rides together, these FAT
> tired cruiser tandems will be the most versatile, most fun bikes.
> >
> > I'm putting quick releases on my seat binders to facilitate quick
> adjustments for anyone wanting to try it out.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm curious how people like the Bullmoose Boscoe bars.
> >
> > The only misgivings I have are due to the fixed angle.
> >
> > I'm sure it's not an issue if you dial in the fit for the captain but
> what about other people who are taller or shorter.
> >
> > Does the fixed angle present any issues in the real world?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > Vallejo CA
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Re: [RBW] Orange Hubbuhubbah WOW!

[René Sterental]

How are you going to adapt the quick releases for the seat posts?

René, still waiting on my polished Motolites...

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:56 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> I got to see the orange tandem in the steel today.
> Anyone getting one is in for a great experience.
> All the colors are great but that orange just screams Funhouse.
>
> Mine is blue and it will take a little while before I can gather
> everything to build it.
>
> These really are some of the best tandems ever.
> Unless you are part of a team that always rides together, these FAT tired
> cruiser tandems will be the most versatile, most fun bikes.
> I'm putting quick releases on my seat binders to facilitate quick
> adjustments for anyone wanting to try it out.
>
> I'm curious how people like the Bullmoose Boscoe bars.
> The only misgivings I have are due to the fixed angle.
> I'm sure it's not an issue if you dial in the fit for the captain but what
> about other people who are taller or shorter.
> Does the fixed angle present any issues in the real world?
>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ron! I'm now leaning to try it. We'll see.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 3:43 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> no Rene, Spar varnish won't get soft and run and it won't be any slicker
> than shellac - but it will be more flexible and will never peel off
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 4:49:26 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Hmmm... now in a conundrum... which should I use?
>>
>> Don't like the idea of the varnish getting slick (and sticky or running
>> off?) with soggy leather gloves as when riding in the heat or rain (no
>> plans for that now), wondering how sticky or slippery shellac may get on
>> the same conditions, but then again, RBW has countless uses and its what
>> they use again and again...
>>
>> Perhaps it's just "safer" to go with shellac, especially since the
>> captain grips will get twined to hold the cable for the barend shifters.
>>
>> Any last minute strong recommendations? Those like RonMc who suggest
>> using the varnish, did you first use shellac and found it lacking?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to oxygen.
>>> To keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen to blow over the
>>> top.
>>> But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and think
>>> about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.
>>> It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats are
>>> absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over the absorbed
>>> layers.
>>> If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard shell, it
>>> becomes a very viscous oil.
>>>
>>> Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better
 and what the flexibility you describe means?

 René

>>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
 row.n.2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I agree with RonMc..
> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5
> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never
>> exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Hmmm... now in a conundrum... which should I use?

Don't like the idea of the varnish getting slick (and sticky or running
off?) with soggy leather gloves as when riding in the heat or rain (no
plans for that now), wondering how sticky or slippery shellac may get on
the same conditions, but then again, RBW has countless uses and its what
they use again and again...

Perhaps it's just "safer" to go with shellac, especially since the captain
grips will get twined to hold the cable for the barend shifters.

Any last minute strong recommendations? Those like RonMc who suggest using
the varnish, did you first use shellac and found it lacking?

René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

> spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to oxygen.
> To keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen to blow over the
> top.
> But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and think
> about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.
> It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats are
> absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over the absorbed
> layers.
> If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard shell, it
> becomes a very viscous oil.
>
> Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better
>> and what the flexibility you describe means?
>>
>> René
>>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
>> row.n.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> I agree with RonMc..
>>> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5
>>> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
 Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never
 exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats


 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] HubbuHubbuH stoker storage compartment

[René Sterental]

Very cool. Let us know about the clearance for the stoker as you test it
with several people. I'm going to use the Carradice roll bag, but the RBW
would have been a preferable choice if it came in blue. I'd have put the
small blue saddlesack in the back.

Bag matching is awesome!

René

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> Very cool-looking, Bill.  The Saddlesack Small is a wonderful bag --
> unbelievable volume in a compact package, with that superb Sackville
> quality construction, and no rack required!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 10, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 1.  I'm a bag matcher
> 2.  I believe that Rivendell has a hard time keeping the Sackville sewers
> employed on their own, and I believe that too few people are willing to pay
> a premium for MUSA products, and that combination puts the Sackville supply
> chain in question
> 3.  I believe that the Saddlesack Small is a unique bag in the marketplace
> in that it's a saddlebag designed to fit a small laptop computer.
> 4.  I discovered that there were very few Saddlesack Smalls in stock in
> Olive
> 5.  Investing in stoker-creature-comforts is a smart investment, in my
> experience
> 6.  My B-17 captain saddle paired with the Nitto Stoker Stem on my
> HubbuHubbuH seemed made for a Saddlesack Small
>
> So, I bought an Olive Saddlesack Small with the intent to run it as a
> stoker storage compartment.  I had to lower the stoker stem just a little
> bit to make vertical room, but the sack is definitely resting on top of the
> stem.  I'll have to do some testing to see what types of stokers will have
> knee-clearance issues, but I'm confident that stokers under 5'6" will be
> totally fine.  I really like the idea of having easy access to whatever you
> want to throw in there.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better and
what the flexibility you describe means?

René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
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> I agree with RonMc..
> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5
> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate
>> - 6-7 thin coats
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Many thanks for the quick replies!

I think I'll go with amber, as Philip's photo shows. I agree that the
Selects will darken fairly quickly, and will follow the (unknown to me)
advice of the steel wool between coats.

René

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:59 PM drew  wrote:

> I think it depends on the age of the select. Those get dark pretty quick.
> I like clear on cork, but it will be less matchy to a honey colored brooks.
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[RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

I need to shellac the cork grips I'm using in th Hubbuhubbuh. First time
using them. Will they look nicer and match the B-67 Select saddles better
with clear or with amber shellac?

Any suggestions and/or photos?

René

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ryan. I can't wait to start my "adjustments" phase and prove Grant
did hit a homerun with the Hubbuhubbuh.

René

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:13 AM Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> your HHH looks really neat, too. Very exciting...looks like RBW has hit
> another one out of the park
>
>
> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 4:05:02 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Maiden voyage today. My son wanted to meet friends at Bart for a Berkeley
>> adventure. So we rode across the east bay hills and dropped through the
>> cemetery. Then I did a grocery run and rode up the hill solo. It was really
>> pleasant. It's amazing to be on a tandem that rides like a Rivendell but
>> there you are.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Hi Patrick,

On my Medium, I chopped off 5 inches from the super long steerer tube,
which leaves about 63mm above the headset. The height of the threadless
Bullmoose stem is about 42mm, which leaves me with plenty of room to play
with with spacers above and below the stem to fine tune the height. If I
ever want to change to Choco bars, for example, I have the Nitto high rise
stem from RBW as well, which will provide the necessary height at the bar
ends.

I have just been able to (and actually couldn't resist) rolling on the bike
in my patio to verify that the height of the bars was fine, as I still
haven't received the brakes. More parts are arriving today, but I'll have
to check on those brakes again.

René

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:33 PM Patrick Cronin 
wrote:

> Many thanks for posting these pics. I've been having sage envy and blue
> regret after seeing the first and even latest photo from Grant. I'm now
> really excited for this blue. Can't wait to put it up against the original
> Hunqapillar blue. Riv 'dealer', Gravel & Grind just took my deposit for
> parts and found a NOS xtr v-brakeset, which should look smart on the blue.
> Curious about the Paul Klamper, as I've never used.
>
> What did Riv say about the steerer length? It looks astronomic in height.
> Anyone else have thoughts about an ideal height for the Medium w/
> bosco-bullmoose?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:48:03 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset,
>> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra
>> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super
>> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the
>> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I
>> was waiting.
>>
>> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next
>> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment.
>> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels
>> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver
>> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts
>> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when
>> she rides with me.
>>
>> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the different
>> options being considered.
>>
>> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the
>> showroom. One color is still not displayed.
>> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> René
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Re: [RBW] On rear racks for the Hubbuhubbuh...

[René Sterental]

Eager to see how it works out!

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I did go ahead and order a Saddlesack SMALL to run as a stoker stowage
> compartment.  Public Service Announcement, there were three 3 Olive
> Saddlesack Smalls in stock.  Now that I've bought one, only two remain.
> I'll post photos when my stoker stowage comparment is in place.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 9:32:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm just going to run an R-14 as a saddlebag support in the back. I
>> almost got it on there but I didn't have long enough struts.
>>
>> I'm also THIS CLOSE to ordering a saddlesack small to hang off the
>> captain saddle. My stoker will have access to anything imaginable and it'll
>> rest there right on top of the bullmoose stoker stem.
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Re: [RBW] Re: On rear racks for the Hubbuhubbuh...

[René Sterental]

Interesting little adaptor. And thanks for the compliment, I too had
doubts, which is why I installed a piece on the frame first, and then ran
the cable to the disc brake. We'll see once all the cables are run.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I had disc brakes on a mountain bike that had rack braze-ons.  I found a
> threaded standoff at my local hardware.  Looked like this:
> http://www.newark.com/ettinger/05-16-409/standoff-
> hex-m-f-ss-40mm-m6/dp/58Y7674
>
> John
>
> PS: Rene, I love the blue cable housings on your orange Hubbuhubbuh.  I
> had just returned some I had ordered for my orange Sam because they seemed
> too much.  After seeing your photos, I am now kicking myself.  They look
> great.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>> I just realized that none of my racks, possibly with the exception of the
>> R14 will fit on my Hubbuhubbuh due to its disc brake. I did a quick search
>> online, and found what I consider ugly black disc compatible rear racks,
>> with the exception of the Tubus Disco Rear Rack, which can be found in
>> silver in the UK. However, I can't tell if it's the version that is painted
>> in silver and has a coating on top, which I dislike, or true silver metal
>> like the Tubus Nova (unlikely because that one is stainless steel) or
>> chromoly like the Nitto racks.
>>
>> I have no urgent need for a rear rack right away, and similar to what
>> Bill did, was planning on installing the Nitto Mini F32 so I can add a
>> basket or just a small front bag, plus the Tubus Nova lowriders, where I
>> can load front/small panniers. Will need to check how the handling is
>> affected, if at all.
>>
>> As stated, for the type of riding I'll be doing initially, with my wife,
>> children and friends, I won't need to carry a lot, and I plan on having
>> Carradice roll bags on each handlebar plus a Barley saddlebag, all
>> matching, of course... :-)
>>
>> Anyway, this might be a consideration/concern for those of you getting
>> Hubbuhubbuhs and are planning to run the disc drag brake and want a silver
>> rack. There are plenty of black racks available with different pros and
>> cons, it's just that I don't like much like them.
>>
>> Will let you know if the R14 fits, which would allow me to swap the
>> Burley for the large Sackville Saddlebag as necessary.
>>
>> René
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Re: [RBW] On rear racks for the Hubbuhubbuh...

[René Sterental]

Wow. I had missed that and nothing came with the tandem, so I'll call RBW
and inquire. Thanks for pointing it out!

René

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:23 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From the blug:
>
> REAR RACK: The HHH frame comes with a widget that allows you to fit most
> or all standard racks, as opposed to “disc-compatible” racks made for
> tandem-width rear hub spacing. We designed the rakkadapta, but haven’t
> actually seen or used it yet. Good luck to us all on that, but in any case,
> you will be able to mount a rack to it. At worst, it’ll be like all other
> tandems in that way. (At best, the rakkadapta will work as well on the bike
> as it does on the CAD program!)
>
>
> So, I take it things didn't work out?
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[RBW] On rear racks for the Hubbuhubbuh...

[René Sterental]

I just realized that none of my racks, possibly with the exception of the
R14 will fit on my Hubbuhubbuh due to its disc brake. I did a quick search
online, and found what I consider ugly black disc compatible rear racks,
with the exception of the Tubus Disco Rear Rack, which can be found in
silver in the UK. However, I can't tell if it's the version that is painted
in silver and has a coating on top, which I dislike, or true silver metal
like the Tubus Nova (unlikely because that one is stainless steel) or
chromoly like the Nitto racks.

I have no urgent need for a rear rack right away, and similar to what Bill
did, was planning on installing the Nitto Mini F32 so I can add a basket or
just a small front bag, plus the Tubus Nova lowriders, where I can load
front/small panniers. Will need to check how the handling is affected, if
at all.

As stated, for the type of riding I'll be doing initially, with my wife,
children and friends, I won't need to carry a lot, and I plan on having
Carradice roll bags on each handlebar plus a Barley saddlebag, all
matching, of course... :-)

Anyway, this might be a consideration/concern for those of you getting
Hubbuhubbuhs and are planning to run the disc drag brake and want a silver
rack. There are plenty of black racks available with different pros and
cons, it's just that I don't like much like them.

Will let you know if the R14 fits, which would allow me to swap the Burley
for the large Sackville Saddlebag as necessary.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

As I've been doing some research on the subject, it's apparent that this is
just how people have been setting up their drag brakes forever, at least as
far back as I've been able to research, which is several decades. Remember,
it's not that you have to press hard to stop the bike, you just need to
pull the brake lever to get some friction on the disc. Drum brakes which I
think need a higher level of force compared to large disc brake rotors have
been set up this way with no adverse issues.

Perhaps someone else knows more?Fed

René

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 11:43 AM Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have we already had the discussion about the relative safety of using a
> shifter cable to actuate a mechanical drag disc brake?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Renés orange Hubbuhubbuh

[René Sterental]

Thank you!

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 AM RichS <rshannon6...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Olof, I'm in your camp on the orange color but yes, Rene's tandem looks
> amazing.
>
> Nice work Rene!!! Your HuaHubba looks like it'll be a ton of fun!
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 4:15:49 PM UTC-4, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
>> With bigger and bigger astonishment have I read all post with praise of
>> orange bicycles. Orange is not my choice for a bicycle, let´s put it that
>> way.
>>
>> But now, looking at Renés tandem. It´s right, it´s even awesome! If it
>> rides anything like it´s looks it´ll be a fantastic bike.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> Olof Stroh
>>
>> Uppsala Sweden
>>
>>
>>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *René Sterental
>>
>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 9:25 PM
>>
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>
>
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!
>>
>
>>
>> Progress photos:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157680299609103/with/34450768136/
>>
>>
>>
>> After a long day at work getting, among other things the Betty ready to
>> ship to its new home (bittersweet), I came home in the evening and started
>> the build of my Hubbuhubbuh. By midnight, I had accomplished everything you
>> can see in the photos, where by the way, you can also see the awesome
>> decals it sports.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had not trouble anywhere, except on the installation of the rear disc
>> brake, where the rotor I had chosen rubs the Shimano adapter. If the mount
>> on the frame was a mm or two more outward, it would have worked perfectly.
>> This is a hope rotor that has the new isolation or whatever for the disc
>> rotor, probably total overkill for the tandem, but I had it from another
>> project. A standard flat rotor won't rub, so I'm getting one of those. No
>> biggie here.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Silver cranks are totally awesome. I had mixed feelings when I
>> ordered them based on the photos, but didn't feel like putting it all
>> together from scratch with Sugino cranes, and the René Herse I love on my
>> single bikes are just too expensive and unjustifiable at this time. But
>> when I took them out of the box and installed them, I was blown away. They
>> look fantastic and the guards are just so cool. You can see them in the
>> photos.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can also see where I'm planning to place the thumbie for the disc
>> brake, a place where it's easy to use yet doesn't get in the way of the
>> hand positions. I'm planning to use barend shifters on the tips of the
>> handlebar so I can easily shift without potentially compromising the
>> control of the bike, and so I keep the handlebars free. Over time, I'll see
>> if the preferences change.
>>
>>
>>
>> The new Bosco treadless handlebar is awesome as you can see. I was
>> planning on going with Chocos, but I think it'll stay this way, at least
>> for now. I had already purchased the Nitto high rise stem to use with the
>> Chocos, so when the new wider sleeved Chocos arrive, I'll get one to have
>> as backup alternative, just in case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had a big family debate regarding the pedal and cabling colors. I think
>> the cabling will be blue as shown, white turned out to be too bright and
>> out of context, gray is boring and in most of my bikes anyway, so I was
>> concerned the blue cables would look too weird, but I think it looks good
>> and my wife and son liked them. So we'll see when it's all cabled. Got some
>> blue pedals as well, but they don't match the color of the cables and it's
>> just too much, so they're going back and will use silver pedals. These
>> Vault pedals are just my favorite. Wide, grippy, very comfortable.
>>
>>
>>
>> The saddles are a matching pair of B67 and B67S Select, so I'm hoping my
>> wife will love it. If necessary at first, I'll add some padded cover. Rides
>> are going to be very short initially anyway. She's quite nervous about it,
>> but I told her everything that went wrong would be my fault, and there
>> would be no pressure to ride on the street until she's absolutely ready for
>> it, however long it takes.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Compass 48mm wide tires look awesome and should ride like that as
>> well, based on how all my other Compass tires ride on my bikes. These,
>> however, are not the ultra-light,

Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

They were announced in the Blug, nowhere else nor via e-mail. They're going
to ship for free, so no harm done!

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 7:42 PM Ryan Thompson 
wrote:

> I didn't know Riv had a theadless bull moose bosco. I just ordered the
> rest of my parts on Friday for the tandem and would have certainly added
> that to the cart as well. I guess I'm making a call on Monday.
>
> I'm also waiting for an orange HHH and it's nice to see your progress
> photos.
>
> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

If by the time I'm done yours doesn't have the disc brake, I'll consider
mine completer than yours!!! Ja ja ja ja!!!

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 7:50 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> WINNING!
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Congratulations Bill! I think you're the first owner to have a fully
functioning Hubbuhubbuh!

René

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> My build is pretty much done.  Those of you who followed on Instagram saw
> it in progress.  I deleted the progress shots that showed how messy my
> garage is.
>
> Anyway, here's the complete bike after my first ride around the block
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> And here's a shot with my Nitto big front rack installed.  I'm running
> vintage XTR V-Brakes, which strike me as providing AMPLE braking power.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> We're pretty psyched in the Lindsay household.  Bill might be the most
> psyched, but everyone agrees it's a great looking bike.
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:30:30 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had everything else already, including my Rich-built tandem wheelset.
>> I'm going to go without a disc brake to start.
>>
>> I saw the Orange and I like it, but I would not call it Creamsicle.  It's
>> much more vibrant than a Creamsicle orange.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha.  I called Will and had a little guilt-therapy.  He said come on
>>> by, so I'll drive by and pick up my SMALL Sage tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:28:51 PM UTC-7, René wrote:

 Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)

 On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked
> with bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make
> everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a 
> couple
> weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing
> builds and showing them off.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Thank you all for the compliments!

I had no idea there was a brown cabling option, but like you, now everyone
in my house is pretty excited with the blue cabling. Let's see how if once
all the cables are run, the effect is the same or it becomes overwhelming.

Can't wait for the rest of the parts to arrive.

René

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:20 PM Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> René,
>
> Your build-so-far looks terrific!
>
> We're going with B17 and Flyer S in honey. I've been looking for cream
> cable housing with no luck (anyone know of any?) -- I would like to match
> the decals, but am considering going with Velo-Orange's brown or perhaps a
> silver.
>
> I must admit I sort of like the boldness of the blue on yours -- despite
> myself!   :)
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had
>> an epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today,
>> almost every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw
>> the first silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is
>> why my custom is configured that way.
>>
>> This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!
>>
>> René
>>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:12 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>> Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat
>>> tires, double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel,
>>> lots of rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. René, nice
>>> job on the build so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away
>>> from too much black on the orange builds. Because, Halloween.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had an
epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today,
almost every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw
the first silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is
why my custom is configured that way.

This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!

René

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>
> Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat tires,
> double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel, lots
> of rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. René, nice job on
> the build so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away from too
> much black on the orange builds. Because, Halloween.
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Re: [RBW] Re: seeking Rivendell Saluki reviews...and maybe a lead

[René Sterental]

Nice!

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:57 PM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> I apologize for bringing up an old thread, but just want to follow up with
> the group to thank everyone who responded.  As you can see in the photos, I
> didn't just get a Saluki, I got the very one that I had been thinking of.
> Special thanks to Bill.
>
> Cheers,
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