[RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

I'd trust that any price you'd quote would be fair, and I'd pay right away.

Let me speak with Keystone Bike about these options and I'll contact you 
off line (PM).  Thanks, everyone

BTW, I came to Riv because my last bike had too long a reach and was 
hurting my neck.  I had no idea that I could swap a handle bar or stem!  
Now look at me saying things like "COGS" and "shifters."



On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> " I'll send you my cog count and address tonight.  The check will be in 
> the mail!  :)"
>
> I didn't even state a price beyond "cheap" for this single left-side 
> shifter.  If you want just a single shifter to play with, cool.  $25 
> shipped for one left side Micro shift thumb shifter.
>
> I did the test-fit and the Shimano left side Bar Con shifter does fit onto 
> the Micro Shift base -BUT- the cable slot does not line up well with the 
> barrel adjuster, so I don't personally recommend using it in that 
> configuration.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 11:24:05 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Well, I cannot say no to an offer like that, especially if I know either 
>> shifter would fit onto that base!  Thanks Bill! 
>>
>> I don't care which shifters I use, as long as they are friction and shift 
>> well.  I did forget to count my cogs.  I'll send you my cog count and 
>> address tonight.  The check will be in the mail!  :)
>>
>> What a great group!  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "I have an albatross handlebar.  "
>>>
>>> Excellent.  That makes it very simple.  Regarding that lustily endorsed 
>>> Microshift product: I have one that you can have for cheap.  Old friend 
>>> Doug handed me a box of parts to sell, because he can't be bothered with 
>>> selling stuff.  I told him what everything was worth and paid him, minus my 
>>> "commission".  
>>>
>>> Or, if you like, I'd be willing to test-fit a Shimano bar-con onto that 
>>> Microshift base, and send you photos.  That would be a cool thing for you 
>>> to know: that you could buy those Micro-shift shifters for ~$70 and try 
>>> them and still have the option to put your Shimano shifters onto the base 
>>> part.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:26:54 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, seems like Microshift are very well liked. I’ll ask my bike shop 
>>>> about them and other options. I’m not against changing the shifter as long 
>>>> as they works well . 
>>>>
>>>> I have an albatross handlebar.  
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 12:42:23 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roberta
>>>>>
>>>>> With the information given so far, there is one big "gotcha".  What 
>>>>> clamp diameter do you need?  There are no fewer than five possibilities 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> what you need, and Paul Thumbies only are made in two of those five 
>>>>> sizes. 
>>>>>  Can you share a photo of your bike?  
>>>>>
>>>>> The five possible sizes are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 22.2mm
>>>>> 23.8mm
>>>>> 25.4mm
>>>>> 26.0mm
>>>>> 31.8mm
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have albatross bars?  Or drop bars?  Albastache?  
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have Albatross bars, those take a 22.2mm clamp, and Paul 
>>>>> Thumbies can go "anywhere" along those bars.  Also, many of the complete 
>>>>> shifters folks have recommended would also fit because they all have 
>>>>> 22.2mm 
>>>>> clamps.  Drop bars and Albastache will want 23.8mm clamps which is 
>>>>> trickier.  If you want to clamp on the sleeve near the stem, you may need 
>>>>> 25.4mm or 26.0mm, which no longer are made in Paul Thumbies (but they 
>>>>> used 
>>>>> to be).  31.8mm is the clamp diameter for modern drop bars on the bulge 
>>>>> near the stem.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 4:04:46 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have Shimano bar end shifte

[RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

Well, I cannot say no to an offer like that, especially if I know either 
shifter would fit onto that base!  Thanks Bill! 

I don't care which shifters I use, as long as they are friction and shift 
well.  I did forget to count my cogs.  I'll send you my cog count and 
address tonight.  The check will be in the mail!  :)

What a great group!  

Roberta

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "I have an albatross handlebar.  "
>
> Excellent.  That makes it very simple.  Regarding that lustily endorsed 
> Microshift product: I have one that you can have for cheap.  Old friend 
> Doug handed me a box of parts to sell, because he can't be bothered with 
> selling stuff.  I told him what everything was worth and paid him, minus my 
> "commission".  
>
> Or, if you like, I'd be willing to test-fit a Shimano bar-con onto that 
> Microshift base, and send you photos.  That would be a cool thing for you 
> to know: that you could buy those Micro-shift shifters for ~$70 and try 
> them and still have the option to put your Shimano shifters onto the base 
> part.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:26:54 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Wow, seems like Microshift are very well liked. I’ll ask my bike shop 
>> about them and other options. I’m not against changing the shifter as long 
>> as they works well . 
>>
>> I have an albatross handlebar.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 12:42:23 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> With the information given so far, there is one big "gotcha".  What 
>>> clamp diameter do you need?  There are no fewer than five possibilities for 
>>> what you need, and Paul Thumbies only are made in two of those five sizes. 
>>>  Can you share a photo of your bike?  
>>>
>>> The five possible sizes are:
>>>
>>> 22.2mm
>>> 23.8mm
>>> 25.4mm
>>> 26.0mm
>>> 31.8mm
>>>
>>> Do you have albatross bars?  Or drop bars?  Albastache?  
>>>
>>> If you have Albatross bars, those take a 22.2mm clamp, and Paul Thumbies 
>>> can go "anywhere" along those bars.  Also, many of the complete shifters 
>>> folks have recommended would also fit because they all have 22.2mm clamps. 
>>>  Drop bars and Albastache will want 23.8mm clamps which is trickier.  If 
>>> you want to clamp on the sleeve near the stem, you may need 25.4mm or 
>>> 26.0mm, which no longer are made in Paul Thumbies (but they used to be). 
>>>  31.8mm is the clamp diameter for modern drop bars on the bulge near the 
>>> stem.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 4:04:46 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that 
>>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of 
>>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on 
>>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone 
>>>> Bikes, 
>>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
>>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
>>>> <https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/>
>>>>  
>>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
>>>> <https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8>is 
>>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both 
>>>> shifters 
>>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>>
>>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
>>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't 
>>>> know 
>>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
>>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the input. 
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

Wow, seems like Microshift are very well liked. I’ll ask my bike shop about 
them and other options. I’m not against changing the shifter as long as 
they works well . 

I have an albatross handlebar.  

Roberta

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 12:42:23 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Roberta
>
> With the information given so far, there is one big "gotcha".  What clamp 
> diameter do you need?  There are no fewer than five possibilities for what 
> you need, and Paul Thumbies only are made in two of those five sizes.  Can 
> you share a photo of your bike?  
>
> The five possible sizes are:
>
> 22.2mm
> 23.8mm
> 25.4mm
> 26.0mm
> 31.8mm
>
> Do you have albatross bars?  Or drop bars?  Albastache?  
>
> If you have Albatross bars, those take a 22.2mm clamp, and Paul Thumbies 
> can go "anywhere" along those bars.  Also, many of the complete shifters 
> folks have recommended would also fit because they all have 22.2mm clamps. 
>  Drop bars and Albastache will want 23.8mm clamps which is trickier.  If 
> you want to clamp on the sleeve near the stem, you may need 25.4mm or 
> 26.0mm, which no longer are made in Paul Thumbies (but they used to be). 
>  31.8mm is the clamp diameter for modern drop bars on the bulge near the 
> stem.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 4:04:46 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
>> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
>> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
>> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
>> <https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/>
>>  
>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
>> <https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8>is 
>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>
>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>>
>> Thanks for the input. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

Dross,

Thanks for the speedie reply.

8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move 
them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?  
This is the web page they sent me:  
https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/  
Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and 
smooth as butta' shifting?

I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on and 
ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know I 
don't like the placement of the current shifter.

Roberta

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you 
> can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters 
> but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There 
> isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction 
> shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters. 
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
>> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
>> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
>> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
>> <https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/>
>>  
>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
>> <https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8>is 
>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>
>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>>
>> Thanks for the input. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 54-56 Sam Hillborne (i think? my first riv!) but open to other Rivs

[Roberta]

It's very exciting especially when the anticipation is high and the 
resulting bike is even better.

Analog Cycles in VT may have some built up.  I think Maine Bike Works is 
also a dealer.  I do believe that there is a Homer riding guy at Keystone 
bikes in Philadelphia, but they aren't a Riv dealer, yet.  Isn't there some 
fabulous dealer in Chicago--Mack's?  
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/dealers?_pos=1&_sid=1f17f0872&_ss=r 

I was lucky enough to be able to try a number of models in my size when 
Analog was located in MD.  I've had enough to know my Riv sizing.  Lastly, 
perhaps a trip to HQ?  You won't even need to rent a car to visit them.  

I think a Sam would be an excellent choice for you based on your needs and 
wants.

Roberta

On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4 jyos...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have admired Rivendell bikes since I first saw a homer parked outside of 
> my local food co op a few years back, set up with nitto albastache bars and 
> I thought what is THAT?! I was enthralled by the lugs, the thin steel road 
> like frame rocking fat tires, and the bars. love at first sight!
>
> My current collection includes a lovely purple waterford road bike i 
> inherited from my grandpa, he had great taste. I love zipping around on 
> that no frills frame. And a '85 schwinn high sierra set up as a commuter. I 
> purchased it for touring but find it a bit unstable and wonky geometry for 
> long rides. 
>
> I'm ready to bite the bullet and purchase a rivendell. I think id be happy 
> on a Sam, I want something with a bit of zip, but still able to load up for 
> tours and exploration. I'm only 150lbs so i feel like i could get away with 
> a Sam for touring as opposed to one of the heavier more dedicated touring 
> models. Would love any input.
>
> My pbh is 86 and I live in Maine right now, but willing to drive some 
> distance for the right bike. I'll be in chicago in mid july as well 
> visiting family, so can set something up there too.
> Side note: I absolutely love the orange colorway on sam frames, thats my 
> dream bike! if you have one and are willing to part with it, you'd make me 
> a happy camper.
>
> Look forward to hearing from you all! 
>

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[RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
<https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/> 
is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
<https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8>is 
cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
and setting the thumb mounts up."

I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  

Thanks for the input. 

Roberta


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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Roberta]

Ted, thank you for the VA Tech article and ratings testing helmets. I’m 
glad you were able to type the info. 

Pam, like you, always wear mine, although a few times I’ve forgotten to put 
it on for my 2 mile ride to work. If I realize within a few blocks, I’ll go 
home to retrieve it. The only fall I’ve had in recent years was solo at 
slow speed and was glad my helmet met the ground directly with a light 
thump, and not my head.

 Still, everyone needs to make that decision for himself. 

What is the thought of when to replace-5 years, 10 years, marketing ploy? 
 My newest helmet is about 5 years old. 

Roberta
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 9:53:57 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> Notes from personal experience. Your experience and views may be different.
>
> Lived for 3 years in the southern Netherlands, and it's wonderful place to 
> cycle both for transit and for exercise. When cycling for transportation 
> (shopping, going out to dinner, etc.), yes, it is common to see people 
> without helmets. Dedicated lanes, slower traffic overall (read - speed 
> cameras work), and again dedicated bike lanes made car/bicycle less 
> worrisome. Plus the cycling is low speed, figure 10-12 mph. 
>
> However, when taking out the road bike for exercise, helmets were common. 
> Nice lanes even outside of the major areas. Loved the path-side garbage 
> nets, set up to have the cyclists toss their banana peels, etc. as they 
> rode by. 
>
> Back here in the US, I was on a dedicated path. No cars. Ran over a stick 
> (apparently, as I remember nothing), which caught in my spokes, and I 
> scorpioned. Fractured skull, and a  range of other fun things. If I was not 
> wearing a  helmet, I'm not typing this today. Even with one, the long term 
> impact of traumatic brain injury (TBI) is not small. 
>
> Back on the bike, and using one of the top rated helmets from VA Tech (
> https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html). 
>
> One can choose not to wear one. 
>
> I'll be wearing mine. 
>
> T
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:04:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is 
>> that it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can 
>> be quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
>> investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
>> reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
>> of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!
>>
>> On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
>> immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
>> riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said 
>> car (unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
>> accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
>> driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
>> people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the 
>>> CA coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
>>> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
>>> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
>>> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
>>> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
>>> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
>>> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. 
>>> I've 
>>> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
>>> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>>>
>>> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
>>> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
>>> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
>>> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
>>> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
>>> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
>>> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
>>> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
>>>

[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Roberta]

Dan,

The Appa looks great. I had one and loved its dreamy ride. I’m sure you’ll 
have lots of wonderful comfortable adventures. 

Roberta
On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 3:44:46 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:

> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. I’ve 
> gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, so 
> it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>
>
> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called Rivendell, 
> I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein in my 
> childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and that they 
> were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read about the 
> bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw was 
> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan 
> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I 
> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
> reality.
>
>
> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit 
> about the other bikes in my stable…
>
>
> *Surly Straggler*
>
> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any research 
> on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all bike, one 
> that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding anywhere and 
> everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all my 
> expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It does 
> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I 
> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, though 
> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this 
> bike.
>
>
> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>
>
> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>
> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more 
> than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen 
> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get 
> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head tube 
> graphic sold me instantly!
>
> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - the 
> wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with me. 
> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that 
> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
> ride upright.
>
>
> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>
>
> *Why Appaloosa?*
>
> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to the 
> explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide plains. 
> I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail head, 
> then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each time. I 
> wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more comfortable 
> and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a touring bike, 
> and the Appaloosa seemed like it. I liked that the 2.2” tyres looked like a 
> balance of speed and comfort, and the long chainstays promised to smooth 
> out bumps and make hair-raising off-road descents more palatable. Spoiler 
> alert: both of these things were true!
>
>
> I’ll spare you the story of sourcing the frame. I’ll only say that I 
> initially hesitated on the purple colour, which in hindsight was absolutely 
> ridiculous. Purple is my favourite colour and THIS purple is amazing. It’s 
> perfect.
>
>
> *First Impressions*
>
> I picked up the Appaloosa on Thursday after my bike shop kindly managed to 
> get it ready before the Easter long weekend. Since then, I’ve taken the 
> bike on a couple of long rides and a handful of short ones. The long rides 
> include a 50km-or-so out and back along the linear trail of Adelaide’s main 
> river, and one of my regular, rocky, single-track heavy foothills climbing 
> l

Re: [RBW] Re: Now officially a member

[Roberta]

Lovely lime-olive!  Enjoy your ride. And, if you can ride with Leah in a 
few weeks you’ll find her happiness infectious. 

Roberta 
On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 5:36:02 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Still needs some racks and other changes, but here she is.
>
> Thinking of having some 44 slicks on for when I’m on the road (opinions 
> welcome). And possibly swapping the Shimano dyno hub and the light with the 
> SON and Edelux I have on my other bike. 
>
> Will likely never be done with accessorizing. Considering Pass and Stow 
> rack instead of the Nitto. And unsure of direction with fenders. 
>
> Relative to the N+1 crowd, heard. Small garage and a mental focus on 
> minimizing the “stuff” I don’t use…I may sell the old bike. It may become 
> something else. Will see….
>
> Ted
>
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Welcome indeed.
> You MUST be new here -- where are the pictures??
>
> Also congratulations on New Bike Day. You added to your quiver, all good.
>
> But where does this "bike to sell" idea come from..? 
> N+1
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 7:18:57 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Welcome T!!
>> Happy Rolling
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Picked up my Platypus today at Mack's Bike and Goods here in Evanston, 
>>> IL. Rode my old bike there, and left it at the shop (maybe forever?). Put 
>>> 30 miles on the tires, and almost 2 hours of smiles on my face. 
>>>
>>> Team at Riv (James in this instance) were supportive in the shopping 
>>> phase. 
>>>
>>> All good. Now I've an old bike to sell.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus = Appaloosa/Atlantis?

[Roberta]

I currently own a platypus, Homer, and Betty Foy. In the past, I’ve also 
owned an Appaloosa. . I’ve ridden. the Sam Hillbourne. but just for testing 
purposes. 

Homer rides most light and nimbly, and Appaloosa rides most “Cadillac “ 
like., very solid, passing over potholes as if they were not there. Platy 
rides more nimbly than Appaloosa but not as mich as  Homer. From my 
recollection, Platy ride feels lighter than Sam did. for ride quality, I’d 
probably liken it closest to Sam but better.   

Roberta
Philadelphia

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:10:51 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Thanks to everyone that's chimed in so far. 
>
> Hoch, thanks for muddying the waters even more now! And the fact that the 
> Platypus can fit larger tires than the Homer and Sam could definitely be a 
> reason for its association with the Atlantis/Appaloosa.
>
> Dave, good point about how the build can really determine the temperament 
> of the bike. And Eben's post was a good read, thanks for the link.
>
> Michael, thank you for the link to the Blue Lug video, had not seen that 
> before. It was really great to see the three of them discuss all the Riv 
> models and chart them accordingly. Super helpful.
>
> If anyone has any first-hand comparisons, would love to hear about them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Kailua, HI
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 6:09:45 AM UTC-10 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>>
>> Blue Lug did a discussion on youtube. Watch the Appaloosa and Platypus 
>> segments
>> https://youtu.be/Yx83uMhIgKA?t=3179
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Paint Color matters! Your favorite?

[Roberta]

Levanguy— 

That is a beautiful color!!! When I was dreaming of getting a Riv custom, 
that was the color I had in mind. 

I hope you enjoy your new ride and post pictures here.

Roberta

On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_3027.jpeg]Rivendell should revisit this wonderful paint color 
> for some of their models.  This is the fork from a 2000 Heron Road bike 
> that I’m building.  The blue/green metallic is fantastic in the sun.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Roberta]

I have the ESI chunky grips I over the bar and shifter cable. Love them. 

My secret is I paid Keystone Bikes to put them on for me. :)  I think they 
used compressed air.  I chose the tan grips to match the head tube, and 
they sort-of match. I think next time I’ll match the grips to the bike 
frame. 

Ergon grips are my favorite but for this application with bar end shifters, 
I really like the ESI grips. 

Tim, Billy bars come wayy back, but the grip angle is superb. 

Roberta


On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:17:49 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'd love to see photos of how you manage to get Ergon or ESI grips over 
> barcon shift cable housing.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> I love my Ergon Bio Cork Grips on my Hunqa
>> Max
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 10:01:43 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Or like Brian said, Newbaum's over ESI's - YUM!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:59:24 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just wrote a whole message privately by accident. Here's a summary:
>>>>
>>>> In my experience ESI grips get very slippery if you sweat. Otherwise 
>>>> cheap and comfy!
>>>>
>>>> Rubber grips can get sticky over time.
>>>>
>>>> I like using rolls of cork sheet from the office or craft store, 
>>>> cutting and fitting that, then covering with Newbaum's. Or using padded 
>>>> Newbaum's similarly as a base layer. Both methods give you grippy cushion, 
>>>> good style, plus easy bar-end installation.
>>>>
>>>> Patch in Oakland.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Roberta]

Ben,

You ARE very lucky to have an Atlantis (the bike I would have bought if I 
had more money years ago--I fell in love with its ride too) and a fun Sarah 
to ride with!  

Not only can we indulge our passions with wonderful riding bikes, but also 
make friends along the way.

Many happy miles to you.

Roberta

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> hey all,
>
> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope fully 
> my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member.  shout 
> out to Zac big thank you.
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
> have to own one at some point".
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
> group within a group.  
> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail and 
> even running errands along the Greenway.
> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are pretty 
> dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid rise 
> that will go on next.
> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
> *pics coming in next post
> Ben R from El Cerrito
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Roberta]

I love it. Such a happy looking bike and I’m sure will bring you a lot of 
joy. I love the nods to your old Rivs, and to your childhood, when you got 
your first bike, sized for someone a foot taller than you. Yet you’ve 
always put on the Leah personalization. I’m looking forward to hearing how 
it rides similarly and or differently than your 55 Platypus, since you PBH 
you’re able to go to either size well. Many happy miles to you!

Roberta
Philadelphia

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 11:43:11 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
> Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
> fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
> hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
> I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
> Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
> found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
> everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
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[RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[Roberta]

Eric,

Thanks for taking the time to post this.  I thoroughly enjoyed 
it--especially your garden.  I love that you put a bit of artistry in 
everything you do.  

Roberta

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 10:40:58 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, thanks for the kind words, Jim! Always a pleasure, sorry this one's 
> so long. The uncut version was like 2 hours. 
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:32:09 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> So good, a pleasure to watch. Thanks for the great work, Eric! 
>>
>> Check it out here:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMf-7Kq-g8k
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Appaloosa Overnighter

[Roberta]

Congratulations on your Appaloosa! My first Riv was one and I absolutely 
loved the ride. This bike is made for adventures like yours, which I loved 
reading about. I wish you many years of great adventures and thanks for the 
write up and pictures.

Roberta
Philadelphia, PA, USA

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 6:12:28 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:

> Thank you for the kind responses everyone.
>
> Randy, Nicholas: I'd love to see photos of your Appaloosas set up for 
> touring, if you haven't shared them already.
>
> Patrick: I enjoy reading the reports from the foreign lands of the USA too 
> ;)
> I wish I could see mountains on the horizon! 
>
> On Wednesday 1 May 2024 at 04:12:22 UTC+9:30 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks for more very interesting report and photos from worldwide 
>> Rivendell riders. The rangeland looks much like the US Southwest but 
>> without the inevitable mountains on the horizon.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 5:44 AM Dan  wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Appaloosa because I wanted a bike for adventures. I wanted a 
>>> bike that could take me and my things anywhere, on or off road. A bike that 
>>> was comfortable enough to ride all day for days.
>>>
>>> To that end, one month after my new Appaloosa rolled out of the shop, I 
>>> departed with a friend on what would be my first ever overnighter!
>>>
>>>
>>> *Disaster strikes*
>>>
>>> On the morning of the ride I felt great. I was packed, I’d made it to 
>>> the 7:28am train, and I was waiting at another station to join my friend on 
>>> a train that would take us to the end of the line. Looking at my bike, I 
>>> noticed the seat was a little crooked. I loosened the bolt, straightened 
>>> the seat, and tightened it. The train arrived, I hopped on, said hi to my 
>>> friend, and noticed the seat was still moving when I tried to twist it. So 
>>> I attempted to tighten it some more.
>>>
>>>
>>> **SNAP**
>>>
>>>
>>> The seatpost binder bolt had snapped. I stared in disbelief at the 
>>> broken bolt in my hands. No!
>>>
>>> I recalled reading on the Analog Cycles website that Rivs use a standard 
>>> bolt for their seatposts, so we spent the remainder of the train ride 
>>> frantically searching for an open hardware store. Unfortunately, it was the 
>>> ANZAC Day public holiday and so all shops only opened at 12pm. We were out 
>>> of luck. Defeated, we resigned to train back to town so I could swap my 
>>> gear over to my Straggler.
>>>
>>> As we neared my front door, my friend had a brainwave. “What if you see 
>>> if you have the right bolt at home?”. It turns out that I did - on an 
>>> unused post-to-IS-mount disc brake adapter - and the Riv was on the road 
>>> again! This time, I made sure to grease the bolt before install, and it 
>>> tightened smoothly and snugly.
>>>
>>>
>>> *On the Road*
>>>
>>> Our destination was a series of seaside holiday towns on the south coast 
>>> of South Australia’s Fluerieu Peninsula. We started our riding at the end 
>>> of the train line, in the picturesque wine region of McLaren Vale. After a 
>>> well-earned coffee, we rode through autumn-hued vineyards before reaching 
>>> the escarpment - our big climb for the day. I learned that even a 24x36 low 
>>> gear doesn’t make for an easy climb of 10+% gravel grades, and we enjoyed a 
>>> walk up the hill in good spirits.
>>>
>>>
>>> Following lunch at the top of the escarpment, we made our way through 
>>> the rolling landscape of the peninsula, passing through a forest plantation 
>>> and several conservation parks on the way. After an unexpected creek 
>>> crossing we ran in to a family of campers, whose comment of ‘I couldn’t 
>>> imagine two bikes better set up for adventure’ left us in smiles. We even 
>>> felt good about the next hour or so of alternately walking and riding 
>>> through the sandy scrubland!
>>>
>>>
>>> Despite the late start, we made it to the coast at the perfect time - 
>>> just as the sun was setting. I’d planned the last few km to follow the bike 
>>> path along the coast, and it was sublime.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1195.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: E0C3AD72-4167-49D8-95CC-B6678632E349.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1221.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1233.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Day Two*
>>>
>>> I’m one of those

[RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Roberta]

Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
scammed?  

BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy directly 
from the seller. 

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Brenton-
> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was not 
> so.
>
> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can help 
> you.
>
> My regards,
> Kim Hetzel.
> I got scammed too last year over these - 
> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>   
> last year.
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
>> pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that I 
>> feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
>> bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 
>>
>> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via *jeff00m...@gmail.com* 
>> who said they were friends with a seller named "Leonard" and I gave my 
>> phone number to that emailer.
>>
>> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
>> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they told 
>> me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have lots of 
>> friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, they 
>> accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>>
>> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this says 
>> *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in my 
>>> ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:
>>>
>>> " @Brenton -
>>> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
>>> Homer under the owner's name of 
>>> *Payton Beargrr* 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
>>> Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I 
>>> am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
>>> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
>>> -Brooks saddle
>>> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
>>> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
>>> -Riv Silver double crankset
>>> -IRD front derailleur
>>> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
>>> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
>>> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
>>> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
>>> -Sackville bag
>>> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, 
>>> noted in the pictures. 
>>> $2500 + shipping. 
>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel."
>>>
>>> Other people seem to also be looking at this bike. Robert Carlton said 
>>> owner confirmed it's a 58. The facebook post has some comments and the 
>>> owner says the bike is in *Fargo ND.*
>>>
>>> I've been texting with someone (who says the bike is in *LA*) and he 
>>> wants a $400 deposit to sell it to me for $1300 (complete bike, insane 
>>> price). The whole thing is odd. They can't send me a pic with measure tape 
>>> to prove a claim of *69cm standover*. It sure doesn't look like a 54.5 
>>> based on every other Riv stack I've seen and studied. Our messages have 
>>> been super cryptic. 
>>>
>>> I just *HOPE* anyone else looking for a blue homer in 58 or 54.5 
>>> doesn't fall for a scam. Posting here amongst people I trust, admire, and 
>>> have become friends with. My Roadini frame and dozens of parts on both my 
>>> Rivs have been purchased from this group. I don't want to stir up any drama 
>>> if this is in fact a legit sale, but the listing is from Jan 2023, 16 
>>> months old, this bike at any price under $2000 should be long gone on it's 
>>> way to a new owner. PS. I'm not sending a deposit.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Roberta]

My company is super cautious about Internet security, having us take lots 
of security courses.  One of the biggest email and internet securities red 
flags is money or action in an urgent timeframe. This sounds scamming to me.

By the way, I have a 54.5 homer and the picture is certainly not of a 54.5 
bike. 
On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 5:47:44 AM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:

> I think if somebody has a problem about you being cautious, they are not 
> somebody you should do business with.
>
> On Friday 3 May 2024 at 05:29:57 UTC+1 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Brenton-
>> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was not 
>> so.
>>
>> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
>> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can help 
>> you.
>>
>> My regards,
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> I got scammed too last year over these - 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>>   
>> last year.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
>>> pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that I 
>>> feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
>>> bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 
>>>
>>> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via *jeff00m...@gmail.com* 
>>> who said they were friends with a seller named "Leonard" and I gave my 
>>> phone number to that emailer.
>>>
>>> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
>>> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they told 
>>> me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have lots of 
>>> friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, they 
>>> accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>>>
>>> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
>>> says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>>
 Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in my 
 ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:

 " @Brenton -
 If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
 Homer under the owner's name of 
 *Payton Beargrr* 
 
  

 Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
 Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. 
 I 
 am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
 -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
 -Brooks saddle
 -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
 -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
 -Riv Silver double crankset
 -IRD front derailleur
 -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
 -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
 -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
 -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
 -Sackville bag
 The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, 
 noted in the pictures. 
 $2500 + shipping. 
 Let me know if you have any questions.

 Kim Hetzel."

 Other people seem to also be looking at this bike. Robert Carlton said 
 owner confirmed it's a 58. The facebook post has some comments and the 
 owner says the bike is in *Fargo ND.*

 I've been texting with someone (who says the bike is in *LA*) and he 
 wants a $400 deposit to sell it to me for $1300 (complete bike, insane 
 price). The whole thing is odd. They can't send me a pic with measure tape 
 to prove a claim of *69cm standover*. It sure doesn't look like a 54.5 
 based on every other Riv stack I've seen and studied. Our messages have 
 been super cryptic. 

 I just *HOPE* anyone else looking for a blue homer in 58 or 54.5 
 doesn't fall for a scam. Posting here amongst people I trust, admire, and 
 have become friends with. My Roadini frame and dozens of parts on both my 
 Rivs have been purchased from this group. I don't want to stir up any 
 drama 
 if this is in fact a legit sale, but the listing is from Jan 2023, 16 
 months old, this bike at any price under $2000 should be long gone on it's 
 way to a new owner. PS. I'm not sending a deposit.




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[RBW] Re: Hello from Ireland

[Roberta]

Lovely. With scenery like that I’d b on my bike all day. I think the Appa 
and Homer are complimentary bikes. (I’m the past , owner of both). Both 
fabulous bikes. 
Roberta

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 3:42:33 PM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> My name's Nick from Dublin, a reformed racer, proud owner of an Appaloosa 
> with an A Homer Hilsen in the pipeline as well. I have a few other bikes in 
> the stable as well, a couple of Mercians namely. One is in bits, and a lot 
> of those bits are on the other. 
>
> Can't say I've seen a lot of Rivs in Ireland but I did chat to a guy on a 
> lovely Quickbeam recently.
>
> When I got the Appaloosa first I had Albatross bars on it but have a 
> stubby stem and 48cm Noodles on there now, I much prefer them. I guess you 
> can take the boy outta the road but you can't take the road outta the boy. 
>
> Anyway, happy to be here, I've been enjoying reading everyone's posts and 
> hope I can contribute something.
>
> Nick
>
> [image: IMG_8523.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Roberta]

Fabulous. I’m glad I got to meet you and the jumbo bike in Philadelphia. 
Happy riding. 
Roberta
Philadelphia 
On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:25:40 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Thanks Johnny!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
>> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Love it!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 
>>>>> Happy shredding!
>>>>> -Kai
>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Couple more:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as 
>>>>>>> I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>>>>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>>>>>> mixte 
>>>>>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>>>>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>>>>>>> myself. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>>>>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city 
>>>>>>> scuzz 
>>>>>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>>>>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>>>>>> what 
>>>>>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>>>>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>>>>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>>>>>> cables.. 
>>>>>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>>>>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>>>>>> couple 
>>>>>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>>>>>> clamp 
>>>>>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>>>>>> working. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Build notes:
>>>>>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>>>>>> old ass oury grips
>>>>>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>>>>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>>>>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>>>>>> stock fsa headset
>>>>>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>>>>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>>>>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>>>>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>>>>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>>>>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>>>>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>>>>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>>>>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>>>>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>>>>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Roberta]

 
(Jock--you probably meant to address this to Emily, but people who might be 
researching might find my comments helpful.)

Yes and I liked the Selle Anatomica one I tried.  Still, it was too 
narrow.  I could feel the saddle between my sitsbones, not under them.

What's the guidelines for saddle width--sitsbones distance + 20 cm? 
Whatever it is, my "perfect number" on paper was more than the 170cm of the 
B17 (I think "perfect number" was 180cm).  That's why I was so interested 
in the new Riv saddle 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/saddle-182-55-plastic-vegan-comfortable  
at 182 cm.   Right now I'm riding B68's and I have a newly reissued B72 to 
put on my Betty Foy.  I ride fairly upright, but not bolt upright.

I think Emily should experiment with the cutouts.  I have a feeling she 
leans more than me (she said "soft tissue" issues).  

On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Roberta, have you experimented with a cut-out saddle? 
>
> Jock
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:20 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> The Philadelphia Trek store can measure sits bones. Perhaps there is one 
>> near you to give you some direction?
>>
>> I prefer a flat top like the B68 to a rounder top B17. I also have wide 
>> sits bones, so B17 too narrow for me.   I tilt the saddle nose up, so I’m 
>> sitting on the flat back part of the saddle.  Otherwise I slide to the 
>> front sitting on the nose part, and that is very irritating.  Where are you 
>> sitting on the saddle?
>>
>> Also take notice where the seams of your underwear are when you’re riding 
>> as sit bones on seams are irritating. 
>>
>> Roberta
>> Philadelphia 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:
>>
>>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
>>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
>>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
>>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
>>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
>>> saddle that won't hurt. 
>>>
>>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
>>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
>>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
>>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
>>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>>>
>>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly 
>>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I 
>>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it 
>>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot 
>>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you 
>>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable? 
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look 
>>> for in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: chainring guard for 38 tooth chainring

[Roberta]

Thanks, Patrick. 

Bashguard comes in some great colors and are quite inexpensive. After I 
wrote the original post, I went to RiV site and they had just gotten them 
back in stock. So, even though the webpage said out of stock, it allowed me 
to order the one I wanted.

Roberta



On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:43:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roberta: If you can't find a Rivendell guard you might consider BBG 
> Bashguard: many designs, most bcds, most look good and are inexpensive.
>
> https://bbgbashguard.com
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:40 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I’m looking for the Riv one 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-chainring-guard?variant=31122825019503
>>  
>> or the New Albion  one or something similar. The Rivendell one is my 
>> preference. Both are sold out. 
>>
>> I'm attaching pics of blue Homer with the Riv one, mermaid Platypus with 
>> the New Albion one, and Betty Foy in need of one. 
>>
>> Shipping to Philadelphia 19106. Please PM me off list. 
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
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[RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Roberta]

The Philadelphia Trek store can measure sits bones. Perhaps there is one 
near you to give you some direction?

I prefer a flat top like the B68 to a rounder top B17. I also have wide 
sits bones, so B17 too narrow for me.   I tilt the saddle nose up, so I’m 
sitting on the flat back part of the saddle.  Otherwise I slide to the 
front sitting on the nose part, and that is very irritating.  Where are you 
sitting on the saddle?

Also take notice where the seams of your underwear are when you’re riding 
as sit bones on seams are irritating. 

Roberta
Philadelphia 

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:

> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
> saddle that won't hurt. 
>
> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>
> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly comfortable 
> long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I figured I'd ask 
> the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it "disappear"? Was it 
> love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot before finding the 
> ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you ride before it 
> becomes uncomfortable? 
>
> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for 
> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

How about an informal meet at the Riv booth right after the show opens?  

I'll be sporting a black Green Guru backpack (made with inner tubes) with a 
Riv triangle.  I have white hair.

I hope to see old friends and meet new ones!

Roberta

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:11:09 PM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:

> There’s more where that came from, I can send them more easily via text. 
> This is more or less its current configuration[image: IMG_0031]
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:05 PM, Bryce Lackey  wrote:
>
> 
>
> <00m0m_3DD3lNnQboh_1320MM_600x450.jpg>
> XL Rivendell Sam Hillborne Frameset W Extras - bicycles - by owner - bike 
> sale - craigslist 
> <https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/philadelphia-xl-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7723301405.html>
> philadelphia.craigslist.org 
> <https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/philadelphia-xl-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7723301405.html>
>
> <https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/philadelphia-xl-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7723301405.html>
>
> Here’s the ad. A couple pictures demonstrating the frame condition and one 
> of it all built up. 
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:18 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I know a guy who would love that . . . not me.  Do you have pics or a 
> link to the CL ad?
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam 
>> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you 
>> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a 
>> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as the 
>> Keystone afterparty. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out 
>>> to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My 
>>> three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross 
>>> Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on two 
>>> wheels. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>>
>>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
>>>> will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If 
>>>> anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>>
>>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

Tim--
The Coffee Outside Philly will be on Saturday or the normal Sunday (lots of 
nice people there).
Roberta

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-5 timothym...@gmail.com wrote:

> I live in Philly but I'll be there with my Sam on Saturday. Would love to 
> get a Riv ride together - maybe to the after party at Keystone?
>
> Also, I'm on the organizers of Coffee Outside Philly and we'll be meeting 
> at our usual time around 9am at Lemon Hill Gazebo. We'll hang out and talk 
> bikes until 11 or so and then there's a 10ish mile mixed terrain ride to 
> the Expo through some of our local trails. Come hang out if you're up for 
> it. 
>
> Also Bryce if I could I'd buy your Sam too. Mines the same size but with 
> canti's and I love it so much
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam 
>> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you 
>> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a 
>> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as the 
>> Keystone afterparty. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out 
>>> to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My 
>>> three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross 
>>> Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on two 
>>> wheels. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>>
>>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
>>>> will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If 
>>>> anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>>
>>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Roberta]

I loved your report.  Thanks so much.


On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:37:38 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> What a fantastic trip — thank for the great writeup. I’ve been wanting to 
> cycle Death Valley as well so this will be a very useful resource as I plan 
> my own future adventures.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:13 AM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great report!
>
>
> Bill S 
> San Diego
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Sounds like an amazing trip!
>> k.
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Diana H  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Is there a way to post photo's? I tried to post just a single photo and 
>> kept getting error's that the message was too long. So here is a link to 
>> some photo's.
>>
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6ymTWsmPXiiwr8P9 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:19:20 PM UTC-8 Diana H wrote:
>>
>>> Map: 
>>> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>>>
>>> Total miles: ~165 miles 
>>> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>>>
>>> *Intro: *
>>>
>>> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- 
>>> Echo-Titus Canyon , 
>>> but Titus Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), 
>>> so we were looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added 
>>> Rhyolite 
>>> Canyon  from 
>>> the Dirty Freehub.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Bicycles*
>>>
>>> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing 
>>> SK Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>>>
>>> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
>>> tires)
>>>
>>> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
>>> Total Miles: 46
>>> Average Speed 8.6mph
>>>
>>> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing 
>>> campground and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, 
>>> hot showers, picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if 
>>> you stay here. 
>>>
>>> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
>>> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
>>> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
>>> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
>>> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
>>> it will be the entire trip.
>>>
>>> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
>>> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
>>> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
>>> patched it up and moved on. 
>>>
>>> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
>>> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
>>> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
>>> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
>>> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
>>> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
>>> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
>>> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>>>
>>> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
>>> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
>>> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
>>> the whole day by ourselves. 
>>>
>>> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
>>> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
>>> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
>>> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
>>> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
>>> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>>>
>>> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
>>> Max Speed: 34.5mph
>>> Average: 8.7mph
>>>
>>> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so 
>>> we decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. 
>>> The road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, 
>>> and many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
>>> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
>>> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
>>> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
>>> climbed a very difficult 1500 

[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Roberta]

If I'm available and it doesn't rain, I'll be there too.I'm up for a 
ride in NJ.  I'm there every month visiting family, and most of NJ is 
within a 2 hour ride from Philadelphia.

Roberta

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:59:10 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> NJ as well! Perhaps we should get an NJ ride together too.
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 9:05:37 AM UTC-5 Melanie wrote:
>
>> I hope to attend also.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>>> I should be around the weekend of 4/6 - keep me posted!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bumping this! Back from the shoot, ready to ramble. 
>>>>
>>>> My birthday is on a Thurs this year (3/21) but if anyone is interested 
>>>> in a ride the following weekend, weather permitting, let's organize!
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

I just noticed that if you get Indego bike share for 50% off here’s the 
information

Need to rent a bike? Our friends Indego are offering a 50% discount on a 
Guest Pass, available March 16-17! Use code PHILLYBIKE24 when you purchase 
your pass online at rideindego.com and enjoy the convenience of bike 
share.Check 
out the city’s latest bike map 
<https://bicyclecoalition.org/ride-your-bike/bike-maps/> and GoPhillyGo 
<https://gophillygo.org/> to plan your route.
On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:22:22 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Tom, I’m looking forward to meeting you
>
> You can rent a Indego bike share bike for about $12 a day. You’ll see 
> spots for them all all over the city probably every other block or so. if 
> you want to go a little bit more upscale contact Shelly at Fairmont Bikes.  
> https://www.fairmountbicycles.com/rentals/  A step. up from the city 
> Bikes.  Fairmont Bikes is located about 2 miles from the convention center 
> on a separated bike lane street. 
>
> Roberta 
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 11:06:00 AM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> This will be my first time at PBE (I missed all of the years of NAHBS). 
>> Regrettably coming from Miami without a bike, but hoping to rent one for at 
>> least one of the rides, and also volunteering for a shift at the show.  
>> Happy to meet up with Rivfolk! (Do we need a secret sign???)
>>
>> Tom (who is looking for a bike-friendly, fly-fishing-friendly new home 
>> somewhere out there)
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 7:02:06 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> It's such a great event, I'm sad work got in the way and I cannot attend 
>>> his year. 
>>>
>>> Be sure to talk to all the vendors you have patronized in the past or 
>>> quietly objectify. It's a fine collection of people who are about bicycles 
>>> that trade shows of the past weren't. The accessibility and warmth of so 
>>> many of these folks, even big names, will surprise you. 
>>>
>>> Take and post lots of pictures!
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>>
>>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
>>>> will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If 
>>>> anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>>
>>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: REI "Microlite" insulated stainless steel water bottles with full cover over spout

[Roberta]

Thanks, Patrick! That looks like a really nice water bottle and it’s bigger 
than most. I couldn’t resist the red Dahlia color to match all the red 
hearts on my Betty Foy. I didn’t realize I had REI points so this cost me 
less than five dollars Roberta.

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 11:04:38 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's hard to find water bottles with lids that cover the entire drinking 
> area but this is one and it's a particularly nice on. And it's on sale.
>
> The only defect is that the locking mech is all plastic, but mine have 
> held up well for 5+ years. It does keep beverages hot for a few hours in 
> cold temps, at least in the ~30 to 40 degree range.
>
>
> https://www.rei.com/product/232074/gsi-outdoors-microlite-720-flip-vacuum-water-bottle-24-fl-oz
>
> BTW, if anyone knows where to find regular uninsulated plastic 
> waterbottles with the full-cover flip-up lid, please let me know. They used 
> to be quite common but I've not been able to find any recently and I'm down 
> to my last one. I use these in warmer weather.
>
> -- 
>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

Tom, I’m looking forward to meeting you

You can rent a Indego bike share bike for about $12 a day. You’ll see spots 
for them all all over the city probably every other block or so. if you 
want to go a little bit more upscale contact Shelly at Fairmont Bikes. 
 https://www.fairmountbicycles.com/rentals/  A step. up from the city 
Bikes.  Fairmont Bikes is located about 2 miles from the convention center 
on a separated bike lane street. 

Roberta 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 11:06:00 AM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> This will be my first time at PBE (I missed all of the years of NAHBS). 
> Regrettably coming from Miami without a bike, but hoping to rent one for at 
> least one of the rides, and also volunteering for a shift at the show.  
> Happy to meet up with Rivfolk! (Do we need a secret sign???)
>
> Tom (who is looking for a bike-friendly, fly-fishing-friendly new home 
> somewhere out there)
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 7:02:06 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> It's such a great event, I'm sad work got in the way and I cannot attend 
>> his year. 
>>
>> Be sure to talk to all the vendors you have patronized in the past or 
>> quietly objectify. It's a fine collection of people who are about bicycles 
>> that trade shows of the past weren't. The accessibility and warmth of so 
>> many of these folks, even big names, will surprise you. 
>>
>> Take and post lots of pictures!
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>
>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>
>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
>>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
>>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>
>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>
>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

I received this from Tom, who said it was ok to post for him. I look 
forward to meet you, Tom. 

   i and friend patty will be there saturday mid morning thru sunday 
afternoon staying  near expo


She ll have her new purple platy and i will have one of my rivs  so looking 
fwd to it  and we d be up for dinner satdy anywhere


Can t reply to all from my phone  so just letting you know


Tom horton  salisbury md
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:39:13 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ll be there! I will be staying with a RivSister in a hotel close to the 
> Convention Center. Not sure which Platypus I’m bringing, but I’ll 
> definitely have one because I plan to do some of the featured rides during 
> the weekend. Let’s all connect!
> L
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>
>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>
>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>
>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

https://phillybikeexpo.com/

Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.

I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will be 
riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  

There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and donations 
accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.

I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.

Roberta

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Re: [RBW] Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Roberta]

Ok, finally I found a handyman to help me install this and some other to-do 
jobs, so I'm ready to purchase.  

Is this still "the bomb?"  this is to hang my bike high in a narrow (3') 
hallway.

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-4 Gina wrote:

> Hello, all!
> I'm getting ready to receive my new Clem from the bike mechanic and trying 
> to think through storage solutions in the garage. I searched the group and 
> found this thread which has shown me something that I didn't know was 
> possible but looks like the perfect solution for me so I wanted to see if 
> anyone had purchased  the Tie Boss and could provide any feedback on its 
> utility. Many thanks in advance! 
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:35:47 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Or, perhaps Laing's suggest is a great one--hook around tire rims on both 
>> front and back...
>>
>> I know accounting software...not so good at physics.
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:33:52 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, such positive feedback on this item!  To me, all these pulley items 
>>> looked the same.  I could put one around my stem and one on the seatpost or 
>>> that area where all the tubes meet at the top of the seatpost.  Or wherever 
>>> the group suggests.  Strength is not my strength and I'll need to pull and 
>>> lower the bike by myself.  I'm looking forward to finding that video.  I 
>>> did see some pictures.
>>>
>>> Laing, I never thought of hooking it somewhere else (knock me on the 
>>> forehead)! perhaps higher than the tire suggestion, like on the 
>>> toptube/seat tub intersection so all the weight is below that point.
>>>
>>> I'll be having an handyman install it, but I have to let him know what 
>>> to install.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Google ...Tie Boss. no  ratchets
>>>> Easy to operate.
>>>> Watch video
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 7:42 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway, 
>>>>> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one 
>>>>> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or 
>>>>> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm 
>>>>> working on the strength part.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to 
>>>>> replace the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the 
>>>>> saddle.  I could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another 
>>>>> option is to just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> rack and then release the pressure on the saddle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the 
>>>>> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to 
>>>>> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling 
>>>>> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at 
>>>>> least once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great 
>>>>> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond 
>>>>> frame) 
>>>>> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Roberta 
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[RBW] Re: Brooks 5J9 Leather Bicycle Saddle

[Roberta]

Brooks just re-issued the B 72 but only in brown and black leather. Also, 
the new rails are black, not like the chrome ones on the eBay saddle.   The 
one on eBay looks like it’s honey colored leather; very pretty. 

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 10:16:40 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> It’s a B72, the 5J9 numbers are a serial. very rare, maybe.
> -Kai
>
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 10:01:30 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This Brooks 5J9 Leather Bicycle Saddle is currently on eBay. I personally 
>> have never seen this model of saddle before. The seller has no background 
>> information on it. 
>>
>> Does anyone herein have any information about this saddle ?
>>
>> I am not interested in purchasing the saddle. I am just curious about it. 
>> It is most definitely for upright riding. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/156031671538?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3D89b1b345406340aeb3f6d1efbd7ba20d%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D296193610948%26itm%3D156031671538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWebV9BertRefreshRanker%26brand%3DBrooks%2BEngland&_trksid=p4429486.c101224.m-1
>>
>> Thank-you.
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Roberta]

SO PRETTY.  

Leah and I were talking and although a great RIDING bike is most important, 
I think it elevates the ride if one also smiles at it too for being so 
pretty/ practical / high end items or whatever makes one smile.

Enjoy the ride!

Roberta

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:18:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I finally got the call to pick up the racing Platypus today! I don’t think 
> the photos I took can capture how great the Paul stuff looks. The mechanics 
> all swooned as the bike was wheeled out to the showroom. It just looks like 
> it was meant to have these brakes and in this rose color.
>
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>
> On Jan 15, 2024, at 11:41 PM, Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
>
> the pencil gifting warms my heart!! thanks for sharing
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 1:38:46 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Love it!
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 4:10:31 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations Leah. Now you have a one of a kind brake set on a custom 
>>> color Platy. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:10:51 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Leah -
>>>>
>>>> I am certain with your new anodized bicycle parts will make you smile 
>>>> loudly with a lot of joy making you go faster than ever before.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy !
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel enjoying my blue 52cm Clem with a lot of joy and smiles. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:40:37 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had the pleasure to meet and converse with Paul at the Philly Bike 
>>>>> Expo. His approachability, perspective and overall friendliness adds to 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> MUSA points and makes me a fan of his parts any time I can use them. I 
>>>>> think I'm dearly holding on to my orange Rambouillet because of the 
>>>>> center 
>>>>> bolt Racer brakes I added years ago to make room for more fender and tire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Name that bike "Varod". 
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy Cheatham 
>>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
>>>>>> came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
>>>>>> brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly 
>>>>>> fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>>>>>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>>>>>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>>>>>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an 
>>>>>> employee 
>>>>>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>>>>>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>>>>>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We colored it all. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of 
>>>>>> it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The 
>>>>>> envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just 
>>>>>> because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever 
>>>>>> seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami 
>>>>>> inside. 
>>>>>> I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So 
>>>>>> beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, 
>>>>>> rose 
>>>>

[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Roberta]

Looks nice.  I also thought the Billies were a perfect bar for the Platy.  
I have it on a tall 10cm stem (it doesn't come longer than 10 cm) and found 
I needed to remove 1cm from the bars to make it perfect.

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> Looking good! I too was pleasantly surprised how silent the rear hub is. 
> You're making me want a frame pump :) 
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:42:45 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4837.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take 
>>> my new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete 
>>> in Sergio Green.
>>>
>>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>>> to the green. 
>>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>>> alone. 
>>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my 
>>> initial impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly 
>>> zippy. The slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>>> great! 
>>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>>
>>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>>> joy so far! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Roberta]

I've ridden the Betty (new to me), Cheviot and Platypus.  I've also ridden, 
but just a little bit (like just to get the feel), the Clem L. You cannot 
go wrong with any of the above. 

Platy rides nicer than the Cheviot.  Clem L is more "Cadillac" like.  Platy 
"seems" faster.  My first Riv was an Appaloosa (more Cadillac than the 
Platy), and I was thrilled beyond belief with it.  If Leah hadn't talked me 
into a Platy step thru, I'd have kept it, as it was such a departure from 
my Specialized Hard Rock., with it's way too long reach.

If her heart is aching towards any one of the above, she should follow her 
heart--I don't think she'll be unhappy with either bike.  My motto "If I 
can afford it, I'll buy what I love."

Perhaps there is someone nearby, perhaps she can test ride.  Or, if you're 
in Philadelphia, give me a PM.

Roberta
Philadelphia

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:

> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>
> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  
> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated 
> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
> the ride with her.
>
> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years old.  
> I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  She is 
> on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems to be 
> just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us 
> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>
> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  
> I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and 
> relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised 
> by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she 
> asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't 
> know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am 
> reaching out to the group.
>
> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the 
> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my 
> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
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Re: [RBW] NYC Riv Ride?

[Roberta]

I'll do either side, but most likely I'll have to drive so safe parking is 
a must (I do always feel funny about driving to go on a bike ride).


On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:39:01 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Anyone in the greater NYC area should feel free to join! Also amenable to 
> a ride over the GWB into NJ if that suits folks. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:24:37 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My home town, Far Rockaway. For safety stay on the boardwalk should you 
>> ride in Far Rockaway. The western part of the Rockaways is much safer these 
>> days. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:31:07 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure about my plans but would love to be kept in the loop. A ride to 
>>> the Rockaways is nice this time of year, if not too windy. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile device. 
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:
>>>
>>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
>>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it! 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] NYC Riv Ride?

[Roberta]

I'll come up if I'm available.  Would you stay on the NYC side?  I know 
there are lots of riders in NYC and quiet a few from NJ and Philadelphia 
(my family lives in Morris County).

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:34:53 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Seconded, especially if we can fold in a stop off at Brennan and Carr's or 
> Roll 'n Roaster <3
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:31:07 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not sure about my plans but would love to be kept in the loop. A ride to 
>> the Rockaways is nice this time of year, if not too windy. 
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device. 
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:
>>
>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it! 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Roberta]

I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
saddle mainly for my Betty. 

I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  

When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
saddles I have.

There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information: 
   https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ

Roberta

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
> worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
> adapter!
>
> James in North Jersey
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
>> model.
>> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>>
>> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
>> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
>> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
>> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
>> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>>
>> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available 
>> as it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist 
>> only mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
>> obtainable soon.
>>
>> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
>> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
>> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
>> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
>> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
>> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
>> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
>> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
>> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>>
>> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
>> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
>> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
>> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
>> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
>> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
>> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
>> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>>
>> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't 
>> fit me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or 
>> traded away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct 
>> difference in the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much 
>> as I did in the overall fit, shape, and design.
>>
>> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
>> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
>> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
>> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
>> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Roberta]

 

John, I will measure when I get home tonight.  

What an interesting thought, Andy.   In fact, pre-Riv I didn’t even know 
you could change a stem or any other component, except for tires.

I took the pics after my ride on Sunday, which I started once the rain had 
stopped.  I've been on several short rides—less than 10 miles each so I’m 
still getting to know the bike.  Platypus wants to surge forward.  Betty 
seems more subdued.  What I'm really looking forward to longer rides and 
more adventures.  Great Dr. Seuss story.  I hadn't read that one before 
last night.

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 11:33:11 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Fantastic bike Roberta! I love the personal touches you put on it to make 
> it your custom Rivendell. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:00:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Yes, all of what Andy said. I have never said these words but I FEEL them 
>> after reading his post. What a lovely thought, that your bike is the 
>> culmination of all of your riding experiences. I’m going to think about 
>> this for awhile…
>>
>> And, I also concur that the bike deserves a better moniker. I’ll also 
>> think on THAT.
>> L
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 6:32 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>> Fantastic Roberta!
>>
>>
>>
>> A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of 
>> all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past 
>> riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have 
>> been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are 
>> specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most 
>> riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is 
>> deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained 
>> knowledge.
>>
>> It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not 
>> working 8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy 
>> appears ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, 
>> validating fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride 
>> report.
>>
>> Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>>>
>>> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>>>
>>> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
>>> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
>>> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
>>> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on 
>>> the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
>>> Homer.
>>>
>>> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince 
>>> suggested a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist 
>>> thread, I drove to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the 
>>> RBW poster.  I think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s 
>>> because only one heart lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the 
>>> seat tube is 58cm.  The color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a 
>>> sage/teal, which I like more.
>>>
>>> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
>>> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
>>> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
>>> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
>>> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
>>> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
>>> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>>>
>>> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
>>> back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick 
>>> tires are as I purchased the bike.
>>>
>>> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little 
>>> girl whose Dad is on the iBob board 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ 
>>> ), red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
>>> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocit

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Roberta]

Well, I certainly am in good company with similar tastes and components.  
Thank you for all your well wishing.  And, good wishes to you, too!

This group has always been so helpful, so supportive.  It also got me into 
colors (Leah, especially, dragged me into the brightness.)!  My first Riv, 
which I loved riding wasn't too much to look at.  Butterscotch Appaloosa 
with a black saddle, cork grips, black luggage.  Rode wonderfully, but I 
think it would look more "fun" if I owned it today.

Now, all I have to do is actually retire...  I think that will be in 2024.  
Where shall I go?  Not sure yet, but I have family in NC, so I might go on 
another Pam Likes to Bike Ride.  Or, perhaps I'll end up in MI on a Bicycle 
Belle Ding Ding Riv ride!  In the meantime, Betty is my daily commuter bike 
and my main weekend ride.  

Roberta 
Philadelphia, PA

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> bought a Jitensha Studio Ebisu for my 50th birthday. But I’ve had my eyes 
> open for a Betty Foy for my oldest daughter. She’s not old/tall enough yet, 
> but I’m jealous of the gem you found! I’m also jealous of your retirement. 
>  Happy riding! 
>
> Best
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> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 3:07 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It just turned out so well! Where will you go? What will you see? Maybe 
>> you will keep a ride journal with places and miles you go on your Betty in 
>> retirement. All the happy miles to you, and I hope to look upon this little 
>> blue-green wonder in March at the Philly Bike Expo!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent, excellent choice.
>>> When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it.  
>>> Neither will you.
>>> Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Roberta]

I just realized I had mistyped the name of the gentleman who painted the 
hearts, circles and dots--his name is Leks.

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
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Re: [RBW] Riv's new handlebar bag

[Roberta]

It's a nice looking bag.  I've been looking for one this size for awhile 
and the best I came up with is Swift's or Brooks.  This one is bigger in 
dimensions and longer (you can fit a bike pump, lunch, additional layer, 
basic flat fixing items and have room left over).  I also like the fact 
that there is an additional internal flap to help protect the contents.

Thanks for the review.  I might put this on my short list.

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 2:44:26 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to all!
> Finally got a ride in on my Clem with the EZPZ mounted & with a light 
> load. Admittedly I have nothing to compare it too but it’s really nice. It 
> does not budge. Solid as a rock & easy to use. It’s really suited to the 
> Clem with the 135 FacePlater & Bosco. Lots of room for it to move (it does 
> not) without coming into contact with the head tube or anything else. No 
> issues with cables either.
> Fit to the Gus with 35mm stem the bag can come into contact with the head 
> tube so I am installing a Swood Twisted T to hold the bag steady in front 
> of the head tube. In short, I highly recommend the bag. First batch sold 
> out so perhaps others will chime in? Will tells me the next batch will be 
> “Olive”.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:46 PM, Nick Payne  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On Friday 22 December 2023 at 7:02:26 am UTC+11 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
> Does the Routeworks bag rattle?
>
>
> Not since I cut a couple of small rectangles of adhesive-backed foam tape 
> about 2mm thick  and positioned them each side of the catch of the lid, to 
> prevent any play between the lid and catch:
>
> 
>  
> You also need to make sure that the bolt and nylock nut that adjust the 
> tightness of the cam that locks the bag to the mount is set correctly.
>
> Nick Payne
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Stuff Day

[Roberta]

Wow it looks great. I didn’t even see the fenders until you pointed them 
out. By being understated, the graceful frame is more of a standout.  I 
haven’t thought of taking my Platy off road, but perhaps I will now. 
Roberta 
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 9:52:21 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> I spent the morning mounting up some bike stuff I've been acquiring 
> recently. A B-17 to replace it's predecessor a C-17 (not a bad saddle, but 
> not in the same comfort league as the B models, though your keister may 
> differ); 42mm RH 650b slicks (stepping up from 38s); a Nitto M-12 (I 
> worried it might collide with the V-brake cable but it fit !); and lastly, 
> a Ruthworks 8" Rando bag (love at first sight). 
> Grabbed some lunch and headed out for a few miles of forest service road, 
> a stretch on the Blue Ridge Parkway and a bit of smooth single track.The 
> weather was perfect..
>
> -- I've only been riding the Platypus since mid-summer and had considered 
> it to be more of a pavement/rail trail bike. Today's ride opened my eyes to 
> just how capable this thing is.  
>
> Steve
>
> [image: 35912B89-A62C-4073-8C64-96850F581815.jpeg]
>
> [image: 22892EC1-62D1-49E3-9A10-E1EE7A6B0F42.jpeg]
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> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Roberta]

And, the difference is...  Leah is super fit and I have a hard time getting 
up hills.

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 2:25:39 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I do. I do bug her. We have Marco Polo so we video message every day, so 
> I’ve had plenty of chances. She is a long-suffering woman, is Roberta. I 
> have a 103 week workout streak on Apple Fitness and maybe I just really 
> want someone else to be on it so I can say, “Ugh, did you do that upper 
> body workout today? Greg nearly killed me.” And then they would tell me 
> what they did, and so on and so forth. 
>
> There are new workouts every week and I get so excited on Monday when they 
> drop and I can see what I’ll be doing for the week…
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I can ride in the winter, but choose to go only if 35 - 40 degrees or 
> warmer and the sun is shining.  Basically, that means going from commuting 
> every day to riding on most weekends, only.
>
> Walking, hiking and I'll be starting weight lifting soon.  I might get 
> back into yoga.  I did love that.
>
> I did an internet session with Tim on LytYoga a couple of years ago and 
> thought it was terrific!  I like that they train their teachers and the 
> developer of the system is a PT.  There are so many yoga "teachers" that 
> just shout out the next pose and don't help at all.  When my local hatha 
> yoga studio, with trained and knowledgeable teachers, closed, I stopped.  
> My body has been unhappy since.
>
> Leah has been bugging me to sign up for Apple fitness.  Like her and 
> Bubba, I like the "tell me what to do and I'll do it" process.  Here in 
> Philadelphia Orange Theory gets fantastic reviews.  They are a bit too far 
> away for me, though.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:07:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> A good friend once said: 'If it doesn't end in a cord of wood or a barn 
>> full of hay, it ain't exercise!' I would add a cleared driveway. Ha!
>>
>> Winter around here brings lots of snow and the following exercise: 
>> clearing a 450m driveway (Thank you Honda!), splitting wood (Thank you 
>> Blaze King!), skiing (downhill, cross-country, touring), snowshoeing, and 
>> yoga. And, my lovely wife loves to bake, so basically all this keeps my 
>> muscles from atrophying and my waistline at a net-zero.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well I live among hills, lots of hills, nothing but hills ! So I go 
>>> walky walky, on the roads and through the forest, up and down and all 
>>> around. I live outside the city so this small subdivision of homes has 
>>> always been closer to rural than any semblance of an organized 
>>> neighborhood. It's a free for all in that people can do most anything with 
>>> their land. Basically the woods are my back yard so in winter I can venture 
>>> in where in summer it's a jungle. Of course I'm riding then, so it works 
>>> out perfectly as in fall all that jungle tumbles down. I generally follow 
>>> animal trails, hey, they know where they're going ! On a topo map this 
>>> whole area looks like closely spaced spider veins, basically all feeding 
>>> the Ohio River, eventually. I like the serenity of the woods as it's just 
>>> me and wildlife, it's a nice change of pace from riding on the road, or 
>>> riding at all. I exert myself as needed to stay warm but no more, as 
>>> sweating the cold is no fun. I can stop wherever and whenever, rock hop 
>>> along the creeks, duck beneath or slide over the fallen trees. The terrain 
>>> is so varied, so wild, it's fun being able to be so creative as to where to 
>>> place your feet. Find a certain rhythm and I feel like I'm just gliding 
>>> along.  My high spot is atop a hill where there is a very tall AEP Power 
>>> company tower. I can see forever up there, all the layers of the hills and 
>>> valleys. When we have winter snow squalls come in from the NW, it's 
>>> especially awesome as you see the various small pockets of snow falling off 
>>> in the distance, often while the Sun is shinning. They're like little snow 
>>> filled clouds that touch the ground. Five minutes layer I''m in a snow 
>>> globe. Hah !  Then it's gone, with more on the way. Those are some of the 
>>> most wonderful walks of all. Anytime its snows is magic, I can't explain 
>>> why, it just is. 
>>>
>>> I don't consider myself an athlete at all, hah hah. I'm more like 
>>> s

[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Roberta]

I can ride in the winter, but choose to go only if 35 - 40 degrees or 
warmer and the sun is shining.  Basically, that means going from commuting 
every day to riding on most weekends, only.

Walking, hiking and I'll be starting weight lifting soon.  I might get back 
into yoga.  I did love that.

I did an internet session with Tim on LytYoga a couple of years ago and 
thought it was terrific!  I like that they train their teachers and the 
developer of the system is a PT.  There are so many yoga "teachers" that 
just shout out the next pose and don't help at all.  When my local hatha 
yoga studio, with trained and knowledgeable teachers, closed, I stopped.  
My body has been unhappy since.

Leah has been bugging me to sign up for Apple fitness.  Like her and Bubba, 
I like the "tell me what to do and I'll do it" process.  Here in 
Philadelphia Orange Theory gets fantastic reviews.  They are a bit too far 
away for me, though.

Roberta





On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:07:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> A good friend once said: 'If it doesn't end in a cord of wood or a barn 
> full of hay, it ain't exercise!' I would add a cleared driveway. Ha!
>
> Winter around here brings lots of snow and the following exercise: 
> clearing a 450m driveway (Thank you Honda!), splitting wood (Thank you 
> Blaze King!), skiing (downhill, cross-country, touring), snowshoeing, and 
> yoga. And, my lovely wife loves to bake, so basically all this keeps my 
> muscles from atrophying and my waistline at a net-zero.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Well I live among hills, lots of hills, nothing but hills ! So I go walky 
>> walky, on the roads and through the forest, up and down and all around. I 
>> live outside the city so this small subdivision of homes has always been 
>> closer to rural than any semblance of an organized neighborhood. It's a 
>> free for all in that people can do most anything with their land. Basically 
>> the woods are my back yard so in winter I can venture in where in summer 
>> it's a jungle. Of course I'm riding then, so it works out perfectly as in 
>> fall all that jungle tumbles down. I generally follow animal trails, hey, 
>> they know where they're going ! On a topo map this whole area looks like 
>> closely spaced spider veins, basically all feeding the Ohio River, 
>> eventually. I like the serenity of the woods as it's just me and wildlife, 
>> it's a nice change of pace from riding on the road, or riding at all. I 
>> exert myself as needed to stay warm but no more, as sweating the cold is no 
>> fun. I can stop wherever and whenever, rock hop along the creeks, duck 
>> beneath or slide over the fallen trees. The terrain is so varied, so wild, 
>> it's fun being able to be so creative as to where to place your feet. Find 
>> a certain rhythm and I feel like I'm just gliding along.  My high spot is 
>> atop a hill where there is a very tall AEP Power company tower. I can see 
>> forever up there, all the layers of the hills and valleys. When we have 
>> winter snow squalls come in from the NW, it's especially awesome as you see 
>> the various small pockets of snow falling off in the distance, often while 
>> the Sun is shinning. They're like little snow filled clouds that touch the 
>> ground. Five minutes layer I''m in a snow globe. Hah !  Then it's gone, 
>> with more on the way. Those are some of the most wonderful walks of all. 
>> Anytime its snows is magic, I can't explain why, it just is. 
>>
>> I don't consider myself an athlete at all, hah hah. I'm more like someone 
>> who does athletic things because I love doing them in the way I do them. I 
>> love bike riding for the way I can ride it, as walking for the way I can 
>> walk. It's everything, the only thing ! 
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:22:10 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I bend an elbow and walk the dog.  Oh, and if there's any snow, there's 
>>> shoveling to be done.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live in Upstate NY, not too far Leah from our friends at Analog 
>>>> Cycles . This translates to lots of snow, long winters and a lot of time 
>>>> off the bike. I do ride indoors on Zwift but the real game changer for me 
>>>> has been yoga. I practice LYT yoga. It was designed by a physical 
>>>> therapist 
>>>> and is rooted in kinesiology. It focuses on  postural alignment, better 
>>>> movement habits and a strong mind body connection.  I've been practicing 
>>>> LYT almost daily for a few 

[RBW] Re: PSA Susie Longbolts 59 available

[Roberta]

Very sad that he is closing.  I got to meet him this summer at the Keystone 
Bicycle (Philadelphia) bike swap and saw the Suzie.  Gorgeous!  He seems 
like a decent guy.

Much of his stock is on sale, but in a prior IG post he said everything but 
Rivendell (and another brand), but it's possible he changed his mind on 
that.

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:25:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> As of early this morning. Hope Cyclery from Johnstown, PA is sadly 
> closing. Jarrod still has this Susie frameset available at (I think) 30% 
> off. The sale price is not actually visible on the website yet but he made 
> an announcement on Instagram. Someone is going to SCORE!
> If it where a 56 I might snag it even though I already have a Gus - love 
> the dark gold!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Velocity Dyad Wheels 32 spoke 650b

[Roberta]

Price drop.  $250 plus shipping, or meetup near Philadelphia or New Jersey.

I don't know anything about wheels.  Is my price wrong or my timing?

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 9:09:46 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I guess my price was too high.  
>
> $300 plus shipping from 19106, or meet up within a reasonable area of 
> Philadelphia or NJ.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> 'Tis the season of new bike builds and you'll need wheels.  "Why buy 
>> retail" when you can get this great pair already built.
>>
>> These are a take off of a Riv bike I recently purchased.  I am putting on 
>> a tubeless tire setup and these are not tubeless compatible; otherwise, I'd 
>> have kept them on my bike.
>>
>> Velocity Dyad Wheels 32 spoke front and rear.  Small discoloration in one 
>> spot on ridge.  See picture.
>> Shimano Deore XT front hub.  I think it says "M775" stamped on it.  
>> Shimano Deore XT rear hub, 135 spacing.  I think it says "M750" stamped 
>> on it.  
>>
>> $350 plus shipping from 19106
>>
>> I'm in Philadelphia and if you're nearby, I can meet you.  I also travel 
>> to Morris County, NJ, so meeting along the way is possible.
>>
>> Roberta
>> Philadelphia, PA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Selling Betty Foy and Yves Gomez

[Roberta]

Betty is beautiful and I think a GREAT price for that package . Good luck 
with your sale 
On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 10:09:56 AM UTC-5 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_0268.jpeg][image: IMG_0288.jpeg]Both Betty and Ives are 
> located in St Petersburg Fl. I have provided a Built summary for the Yves 
> in my prior post. Also included is a new spare rim. I am asking $2500 plus 
> shipping for this bike. 
>
> The Betty was built by Rivendell in 2013 with their component package to 
> which we added a Ladies Brooks saddle and a Nitto rear rack. We are asking 
> $1500 plus shipping for Betty. Also included is a spare set of new Fenders 
> which are no longer available. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:14:17 PM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Those both sound like very nice bikes. Photos added to the post would 
>> really help  (if you're not sure how to do that if you are using the web 
>> interface for this group you can add photos to a post by clicking on the 
>> icon that looks like two small mountains in a square at the bottom of the 
>> posting window), as would information on location and asking price. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 10:37:16 AM UTC-6 wpes...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but 
>>> in our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of 
>>> the line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
>>> bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
>>> handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good condition 
>>> with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
>>> new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
>>> let me know. I can send pictures. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Velocity Dyad Wheels 32 spoke 650b

[Roberta]

I guess my price was too high.  

$300 plus shipping from 19106, or meet up within a reasonable area of 
Philadelphia or NJ.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> 'Tis the season of new bike builds and you'll need wheels.  "Why buy 
> retail" when you can get this great pair already built.
>
> These are a take off of a Riv bike I recently purchased.  I am putting on 
> a tubeless tire setup and these are not tubeless compatible; otherwise, I'd 
> have kept them on my bike.
>
> Velocity Dyad Wheels 32 spoke front and rear.  Small discoloration in one 
> spot on ridge.  See picture.
> Shimano Deore XT front hub.  I think it says "M775" stamped on it.  
> Shimano Deore XT rear hub, 135 spacing.  I think it says "M750" stamped on 
> it.  
>
> $350 plus shipping from 19106
>
> I'm in Philadelphia and if you're nearby, I can meet you.  I also travel 
> to Morris County, NJ, so meeting along the way is possible.
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: Selling Betty Foy and Ives Gomez

[Roberta]

Prices?

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but in 
> our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of the 
> line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
> bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
> handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good condition 
> with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
> new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
> let me know. I can send pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: New bike day: 60cm Sergio Green Platypus complete

[Roberta]

Very nice. Six hour first ride. I guess you like the bike!  Many happy 
miles to you. 
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:27:03 PM UTC-5 BrettG wrote:

> Picked up RBW HQ this morning, put on pedals, grips, saddle, etc. and rode 
> it back to SF (no BART or ferry...took the long way via Richmond and GG 
> bridges - so all day shake-down ride!).
>
> Here are my initial thoughts after the first 6 hour ride and some 
> additional info some may find useful, plus a photo I took along the ride 
> (somewhere around Martinez).
>
> - I have a 86 PBH which puts me in-between 55 and 60 but I absolutely 
> agree about sizing up to a 60cm.  It feels like the perfect size and I like 
> less seat post showing.  I don't see any need at this point for a stem swap.
> - It is very "roomy" and has a completely different feel that riding my 
> 2017 Sam or 2003 Romulus.  As expected it does feel slower than my other 
> bikes but is so comfortable I feel like I could ride all day and had no 
> problems on the long initial ride home.
>
> This is my 4th Rivendell over a span of 20 years and my first "complete"  
> as I normally build-up frames.   I don't buy new bikes often but this one I 
> couldn't resist.  Thanks to everyone's info in the forums which help tip me 
> towards buying.
>
> - Brett in SF
>
> [image: platypusgreen.png]
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/Info Needed. German Mirror Screw

[Roberta]

Thanks, Steve.  I have a local hardware store that I like to patronize.  
They are about 25% higher than the big box store for most things, but 
customer service is superb, I can walk there or bike (1/2 mile) and they 
let me bring my bike into their small store while shopping.  Roberta

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:08:08 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Roberta, I'm betting that if you took your mirror to a hardware store that 
> stocks metric fasteners you'd find a suitable replacement. Over the years 
> I've found pretty much everything I've needed fastener wise at my local Ace 
> Hardware which has a large selection of metric sized stainless steel 
> fasteners, albeit over priced.   
>
> Steve
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I lost the screw that keeps the German mirror housing snugged, so the 
>> mirror doesn't flop around.  Does anyone know what size screw I need or 
>> have one I can buy?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Clean, don't toss, your dull German mirror

[Roberta]

Over the years, these dull.  I always thought they pitted and the lack of 
clarity was too much for me.  I'd toss them and buy more.  At $30 a pop, it 
was a bit much, but I like the low profile of the mirror.

I went to Riv's web site to get another, saw this, tried the baking soda 
with water suggestion and now the mirror reflects as good as new!

>From Riv's site:  " After a couple years the mirror might dull a bit, but 
can be brought back to life by scrubbing it with baking soda and water, or 
toothpaste."

Roberta

PS If anyone knows the size of this housing screw or has an extra one, I'd 
like to know the size or buy the screw. 


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[RBW] WTB/Info Needed. German Mirror Screw

[Roberta]

I lost the screw that keeps the German mirror housing snugged, so the 
mirror doesn't flop around.  Does anyone know what size screw I need or 
have one I can buy?

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

[Roberta]

Yeah, new rivSister. While Leah’s bike is colorful,  mine is subdued — 
colors of black, white and silver. And mermaid green. Im looking forward 
seeing your vision. 

Roberta

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:33:25 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:

> Thanks for your input Bicycle Belle. I do own a few purple shirts but a 
> purple bike would be too much for me! I have a bright blue Velo Orange 
> mixte with orange lettering which is the one I ride to the grocery store 
> and wouldn't mind if it got stolen. I never did care for the color but 
> there were not many other choices when I bought it.
>
> By shorter stem I meant less tall. The head tube on the Platypus is so 
> high that I won't need much stem and the one I have from the other bike is 
> super tall. It might still work but why not have less metal? I am looking 
> at the Choco or Losco bars with a 5 cm stem. I can't really decide until I 
> put the bike together and see how far I want the bars to swoop back. 
> Luckily I have another bike to take measurements from. Figuring out the 
> stem and bars is one of the hardest parts in getting a bike to fit I think.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:51:37 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Happy NBD, RivSister! I really hope you will keep thinking aloud about 
>> your parts and colors and keep us in hearing of it. I think planning the 
>> bike build is as fun as actually getting it. And I love a Platypus. So 
>> beautiful. And you can go any direction with a Platy, I think. I have a 50 
>> in purple arriving Wednesday and I’m on the other end of your spectrum. If 
>> yours is classy mine is crazy. I have wild color all over the bike, but I 
>> think purple can handle it.
>>
>> What handlebars are you considering? If you got Billies they might come 
>> back far enough that you don’t need a new stem. I hope Riv restocks the 
>> olive bag soon so you can complete your look. 
>> L
>>
>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 10:23:37 PM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>
>>> I just unpacked my 50 cm Sergio green Platypus. Gorgeous frame. I love 
>>> the color and am already planning my overall color scheme. So far: Honey 
>>> Brooks B67-S, Velo Orange basket weave grips to match the saddle, cables 
>>> probably gray, and olive Saddlesack XS whenever they are made again. No 
>>> racks to start. Not flashy, pretty classic!
>>>
>>> Awhile back someone started a thread on here about what model bike we 
>>> would like Rivendell to make. I said a mixte like the Cheviot though with V 
>>> brakes in a nice color green. I think someone at Riv must have read my 
>>> entry.
>>>
>>> Next I need to take all the parts off my Soma Grand Randonneur and move 
>>> them over. I decided I'm just not a low trail person. Luckily it is 650B so 
>>> the wheels will fit and everything else should too. I will need new 
>>> handlebars and maybe a shorter stem.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Roberta]

Hi MOAM man!

I have Homer and Platy and think they are wonderfully complimentary bikes. 
I no longer have my Appa as I don’t do off road or loaded touring that it 
shines for. 

Looking forward to hear your impressions. 

Roberta 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:04:01 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Hello Riv Bunch, 
>
> My first Riv was a 2TT Sam Hilborne that I purchased in 2017. I had an 
> Appaloosa that I sold just over a year ago. I've regretted selling my Joe 
> ever since. I even saw my old 2TT silver Appaloosa at this years Nutmeg 
> Nor'Easter. I thought about offering to buy it back but I never did ask the 
> new owner. I doubt he would have sold it back to me anyway. The only 
> consolation is that the new owner told me that he loves the bike and rides 
> it nearly every day. 
>
> While at the NNE I saw so many cool Riv's. I was talking to fellow Riv 
> Bunch member Justin Kennedy about his Platypus. My UBU (unresonable bike 
> urge) has been in high gear ever since. 
>
> I will soon become a proud Man on a Mixte and my 60cm Sergio Green 
> complete will be on the way to me very soon. I'm going to change the bars 
> right away to Billie's and will build a nicer wheelset with a Dyno hub 
> before getting it on the road. I figured if Leah can own 3 Platypus's its 
> got to be a good bike! I'm exciting for it's arrival and can't wait to ride 
> it. 
>
> The second inbound Riv is a A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I'm going to build 
> the Homer up as a drop bar road bike keeping it rackless and light as 
> possible. I am thinking about building it as a retro mod with downtube 
> shifter and some older parts. I still need to decide on that. Anyway I 
> thought I'd share the exciting news with fellow bike nerds. The Sam, Platy 
> and AHH will give me a nice collection.  I am feeling very fortunate to be 
> able to add two new bikes to my collection. N+2!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Roberta]

Yes, Ithink it’s a beautiful build too. Choco moose bars?  I had them on my 
Appa and loved them   What is on your seatpost?

Roberta 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:14:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a lovely bicycle, Dorothy 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:06:48 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0422.jpeg]Here’s mine with a lot of tranferred parts off a 
>> 2019 45cm Clem
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
>>> Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
>>> spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
>>>> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle that 
>>>> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats what 
>>>> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well 
>>>> for 
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dorothy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good question! 
>>>>>
>>>>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close 
>>>>> and the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll 
>>>>> get 
>>>>> a phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert 
>>>>> you:) Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated 
>>>>> there would be a saddle. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sally
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, 
>>>>>> but I didn’t get one with mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete arrived 
>>>>>>> yesterday by UPS!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it 
>>>>>>> closed (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but 
>>>>>>> equally 
>>>>>>> excited for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, 
>>>>>>> twine, etc. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xmas came early here in California! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers to all...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>>>>>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting 
>>>>>>>> a new 
>>>>>>>> frame... 樂
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>>>>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
>>>>>>>>> to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>>>>>>>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! 
>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

[Roberta]

“don't ride anything that you're not WILLING to lose.”— iamkeith

I live in city (Philadelphia) with bike theft issue. I’ve decided on a 
commute/lockup bike that I can replace while loving the ride. I bought a 
She-Devil. If it gets stolen, I can replace it. And, I love the ride for my 
2 mile trek. I can bring it into my office, but didn’t know that when I 
decided on it for commuting. 

I am getting rid of the she-Devil and the bike I’m most likely to ride to 
work and errands , and lock up is my Playpus.  Because I can replace it. 

When I do lock up my bikes, it’s similar to Jason’s method. One krypton 
 New York  ULock on frame wheel and pole. Another ulock wheel to frame. 
Heavy locks but extra protection and peace of mind. I have a third u lock 
if I’m really nervous.  They’d have to work hard to get the bike. It’s too 
easy to cut cable—that’s how my last bike got stolen. 

I also will have pitlock on seatpost and saddle ( when I get around to 
installing them). Need to protect myB68 saddle. 

whatever bike you decide to ride, you should enjoy the ride. 

Roberta 

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> I've been leaving my Cheviot locked up with a single Kryptonite mini 
> U-lock around the frame in NYC for the past few month since I started 
> working there again
> [image: 002062 New-U Evolution Mini-5.jpg]
> I've got Pitlock skewers on my wheels so I'm not concerned with my kind of 
> expensive dynamo wheel set. ...don't even run cable through them.
> I should run some sort of permanent cable through my saddle loops to my 
> seat stays to prevent my seat post and my 20-year old B68 from being ripped 
> offWill do that next.  I think I can get a Pitlock for the seat cluster 
> bolt that is keyed the same as my skewers..  *note to call Peter White
> Yes, the U-lock can be cut, but I'm not leaving the bike out 
> overnight...and I think where I park it , it would be pretty glaring if 
> someone showed up with a angle grinder.
> Maybe there's a better more secure option for the U-lock.
> JS
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 8:53:33 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Armand - Hexlox are a good idea. My locking technique is pretty solid 
>> too. Also, not worrying just discussing. It’s not going to keep me up at 
>> night it just sort of dawned on me that I was riding a great, but somewhat 
>> less enjoyable bike for much of my riding and leaving my favorite bikes at 
>> home. I like your “just do it and stop worrying about it” mentality.
>>
>>
>> Kim - That’s a good point. I’ll give that one a read too. I liked the 
>> thread about not being precious with these bikes. They are both very 
>> applicable. 
>>
>>
>> Leah - Thanks for chiming in. After starting this thread someone posted 
>> to yours about being precious with Rivs and pushed it back to the top. I’ve 
>> read through that and it was exactly what I was looking for. You are 
>> correct in that Ana and Pam are prime examples. You can add Dorothy in 
>> SoCal, we’ve got Cody in Chicago, Patrick in Querque, Josiah in Missoula, 
>> Bill in the manager’s parking spot, Luke in San Fran, Armand in LA, and so 
>> on riding these things all over and locking ‘em up out in the wild. Count 
>> me in. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 8:32:23 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Dorothy - Beautiful bike and thanks for the rec on the Nutfix. I had 
>>> heard of Hexlox and Pinhead but not these from Abus. Those crafty Germans…
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve also heard of people putting a ball bearing down in the hex bolt 
>>> divots with a dab of super glue. I guess the theory is that it can be dug 
>>> out pretty easily once you're back home but would deter a would-be saddle 
>>> thief or the like. I’ve never worried much about this personally. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I do a fat U-lock through the rear wheel and frame, then a flex cable 
>>> through the front wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 8:30:28 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love this advice the best. I bought the same Hexlox products as 
>>>> Armand, and though I’m not in a high-risk area, so far, so good. I started 
>>>> a thread on this topic months ago after Grant wrote a post saying that 
>>>> it’s 
>>>> such a bummer to a maker when he sees his creation relegated to being an 
>>>> ornament. (Not that you are doing that, OP, I know you ride your Rivs 
>>>> other 
>>>> ways!) All that work Grant poured into making bikes that are comfortable 
>>>> and capable of life’s daily demands is wasted if the b

[RBW] Re: NEW BIKE DAY ! - My blue 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle

[Roberta]

Looks great!  For only a few dollars, fancy wrap can really set a bike as 
"fancy."  (RBW Blue is my favorite Riv color.)

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 10:41:10 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Steve,
> I thank-you for your best wishes on my Clem. This shoe fits, if you will, 
> better by far than the 59cm. I am appreciating my Clem more so. 
>
> Skip Montanaro, the administer over on the IBOB group posted an eBay link 
> for vintage bicycle fender ornaments a while back. Then I went down a 
> rabbit hole and found one that was made out of metal and most appealing to 
> my liking. 
>
> Yes, very similar thought to vintage car hood ornaments. It is a very cool 
> bling to my bike.   
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:48:41 AM UTC-8 Steve wrote:
>
> Kim, congrats on the Clem. The best bikes are always the ones that fit.  
>
> That fender ornament is too fun !!! There must be a story behind it. 
> Reminds me of a classic Packard. 
>
> [image: Antique Packard Automobile Hood Ornament Jigsaw Puzzle by Vintage 
> Images]
>
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 11:03:19 PM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_1393.JPG]
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:11:18 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
> @Jason,
> Thank-you. 
> Gotta be prepared with all the water I can carry, if I loose track of how 
> far I have gone down the trail.
>
> Kim.
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:06:07 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Looks great, I love the fancy tape wrap located in several spots on the 
> bike.  Never going to have to go thirsty while on this bike, also! 
>
> On Sunday, 3 December 2023 at 16:54:20 UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I was very fortunate to buy this bike as a "demo" form RBW headquarters in 
> Walnut Creek, California less than a month ago to end my hunt to own one in 
> my favorite color. 
>
> I already had a 59cm lime olive Clem "L" that I declared was too big for 
> me  The time and effort to swapped out parts from one bike to another and 
> selling the 59cm Clem took awhile.  
>
> I can happily report that this 52cm Clem rides, handles and fit me far 
> better than the 59cm Clem. It is a wonderful feeling. 
>
> Thank-you Will Keating.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> [image: IMG_1386bbb.JPG]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Roberta]

Looks great.  Happy riding.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 11:04:40 AM UTC-5 Ben C wrote:

> Closing the loop here, here's a pic of my lime olive 55cm Platypus on a 
> fun trail ride Brian and I did up on the Little Miami airport, at Lunken 
> Airport. What a fantastic bike!
>
> ben
> lex ky
>
> [image: IMG_4672.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Finally…….got a Saluki

[Roberta]

Gorgeous! Congratulations. 
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Ok. Last year I sold my Bleriot to a friend who really needed a bike and 
> was grieving so I sold it to her for a good price and took refuge in my 
> steel rando bike. A red and crème saluki popped up on Facebook in my size 
> and I grabbed it. I have literally been looking for one for fifteen years 
> and was never able to find one. I will be making some changes to it so stay 
> tuned for future build photos.
>
> -Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
>

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[RBW] Tigr locks--do you like them? On sale today

[Roberta]

What do you think of these locks for high bike theft area?

I got an email for Tigr locks 20% off if purchased today using code 
CyBrMonday23.  The website is tigrlock.com . 

Looks like they have two types-- the "blue" type around $115 and the 
regular one, $160.

Right now, I use an Arbus and a Kryptonite New York.  Very heavy lock, but 
I know my bike will be there when I come out of the store.

Thanks,
Roberta


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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Roberta]

I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
know how to do it.  

Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.

I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience putting 
them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The drivers were 
quite nice about that.

Roberta

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
> would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require unscrewing 
> the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider tires 
> can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
> requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
> contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to sway 
> back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
> frequently.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Bob :) , 
>>
>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
>> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
>> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>
>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, like 
>> a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to lift it up 
>> a foot or so to the hook.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>>
>>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when hanging 
>>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On the 
>>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
>>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since my 
>>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus would 
>>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>>
>>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the same 
>>> bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just fine!
>>> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>>>
>>> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and get 
>>> on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago:
>>> https://mysouthshoreline.com
>>>
>>> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they have 
>>> temporarily suspended  bringing bikes on board:
>>> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/
>>>
>>> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and similar 
>>> to what Roberta mentioned, as in most commuter lines there are open spaces 
>>> at the ends of each car, or sets you can flip out of the way, to store your 
>>> bike; perhaps the South Shore Line has a similar set-up?
>>>
>>> Bob E
>>> Cranford, NJ
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm ok with it! 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
>>>>>> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
>>>>>> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm 
>>>>>> going 
>>>>>> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! M

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Roberta]

Hi, Bob :) , 

How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.

When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, like a 
wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to lift it up a 
foot or so to the hook.

Roberta

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of storage 
> the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>
> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when hanging 
> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On the 
> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since my 
> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus would 
> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>
> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>
>
> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the same 
> bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just fine!
> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>
> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and get 
> on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago:
> https://mysouthshoreline.com
>
> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they have 
> temporarily suspended  bringing bikes on board:
> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/
>
> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and similar to 
> what Roberta mentioned, as in most commuter lines there are open spaces at 
> the ends of each car, or sets you can flip out of the way, to store your 
> bike; perhaps the South Shore Line has a similar set-up?
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm ok with it! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
>>>> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
>>>> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
>>>> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
>>>> Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry 
>>>>>> on (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 
>>>>>> 50 
>>>>>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if 
>>>>>> she 
>>>>>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
>>>>>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they 
>>>>>> might 
>>>>>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, 
>>>>>> but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> try to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang 
>>>>>> it.   
>>>>>> I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who 
>>>>>> does 
>>>>>> alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
>>>>>> Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
>>>>>> bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it 
>>>>>> on a

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Roberta]

I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
(roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they might 
say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.

In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, but 
there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and try 
to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.   I 
don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on a 
bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
the country, the bus racks are longer?

So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.

Roberta  

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically we 
> have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got stuff 
> and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's on 
> there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
> vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 
>
> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my custom" 
> Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
>> Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
>> but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
>> that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard bike 
>> (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
>> you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
>> if anyone has had issues.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the Amtrak 
>>> line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, in a 
>>> box. 
>>>
>>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in southern 
>>> Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this line there 
>>> is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike lockers 
>>> available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel must be 
>>> removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to lash the 
>>> frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and damaging the 
>>> frame’s finish.
>>>
>>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>>> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>>>
>>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your 
>>>> bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking 
>>>>> amtrak to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. 
>>>>> Can someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train 
>>>>> without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
>>>>> Platycisions Leah! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes 
>>>>>> (a number you are certain to have opin

Re: [RBW] Bike Rack

[Roberta]

Jacob,  Hopefully no harm to bike or others.  

I had a Kuat beta and for a hanging bike rack, I though it was terrific.  I 
now have a Saris Freedom (tray) and like it even better.  The part that 
touches the frame has flexible channels for the wires to sit in, so very 
little actually touches the frame. Reasonable price too.

All my bikes have fenders.

Roberta



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wrote:

> I have a Kuat and do yourself a favor and stay VERY clear of them. It fell 
> apart and my bike almost fell off on the freeway. 
>
> On Nov 5, 2023, at 06:03, Ron Cramer  wrote:
>
> 
>
> IMHO the Kuat Sherpa. Had other racks, but this is my favorite. The Sherpa 
> is light, therefore easy to mount. But I would use an additional cable lock.
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 1:35 PM SallyG <3mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>> Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 
>> cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help!
>> Sally
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Roberta]

I'll post pics when it's put together.  :)

In the meantime, perhaps Chung's wife can try a Platy.   

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:32:50 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Steve -
> Roberta is not telling us yet. She is keeping it a secret, until she's 
> ready to share it with us.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 5:18 AM Steve  wrote:
>
>> What did Roberta get ???   Inquiring minds want to know !!!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:16:34 PM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> The suspense grows. I can hear it now.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:35:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m waiting for some of the parts to come in. I’ll post a new bike day 
>>>> when done, with story. In the meantime, try a Platy!  I think she’ll love 
>>>> it. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:16:13 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And I am now dying to know what Roberta got.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:15:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fit is a factor too. Rivendell has limited sizes that they stretch to 
>>>>>> work for everyone. I happen to sit oddly in the spectrum and can either 
>>>>>> be 
>>>>>> at the top of the range or at the bottom of a larger one. I had a 
>>>>>> S.Hillborne and it didn't even kind of sit in the zippy camp for me. No 
>>>>>> matter what bars I threw on it or tires or wheels it just wasn't 
>>>>>> exciting. 
>>>>>> My Clem is infinitely better in ride quality. I am very convinced it had 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> do with the sizing on the SH not working for me. I sized down when I got 
>>>>>> my 
>>>>>> Proto Gallop and that rides fantastic as well. Honestly its so 
>>>>>> subjective 
>>>>>> and I respect everyones experience but in the end its personal. If it 
>>>>>> were 
>>>>>> me I would 100% upgrade the Clem first. If it doesn't work you will have 
>>>>>> nice parts to move over to a Platy frame. That way you can try things 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> less of an investment and it will still be usable if she decides it 
>>>>>> doesn't 
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and 
>>>>>>> then down the list, Clem, Cheviot 
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Roberta]

I’m waiting for some of the parts to come in. I’ll post a new bike day when 
done, with story. In the meantime, try a Platy!  I think she’ll love it. 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:16:13 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> And I am now dying to know what Roberta got.
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:15:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Fit is a factor too. Rivendell has limited sizes that they stretch to 
>> work for everyone. I happen to sit oddly in the spectrum and can either be 
>> at the top of the range or at the bottom of a larger one. I had a 
>> S.Hillborne and it didn't even kind of sit in the zippy camp for me. No 
>> matter what bars I threw on it or tires or wheels it just wasn't exciting. 
>> My Clem is infinitely better in ride quality. I am very convinced it had to 
>> do with the sizing on the SH not working for me. I sized down when I got my 
>> Proto Gallop and that rides fantastic as well. Honestly its so subjective 
>> and I respect everyones experience but in the end its personal. If it were 
>> me I would 100% upgrade the Clem first. If it doesn't work you will have 
>> nice parts to move over to a Platy frame. That way you can try things with 
>> less of an investment and it will still be usable if she decides it doesn't 
>> work.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and then 
>>> down the list, Clem, Cheviot 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Roberta]

 Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and then down 
the list, Clem, Cheviot 

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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Roberta]

My favorite Riv Mixte rides in order are Betty Foy, Platy, ClemL, Cheviot.  

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:23:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I have a 55 Platy and have ridden a Clem L.  Leah, BicycleBelleDingDing, 
> has both.  Clem L is significantly longer and heavier, but let Leah weigh 
> in.  
>
> Platy is a perfect pavement bike--looks pretty and feels great.  However, 
> it is long (although it is 5 inches shorter than 52 Clem L) and will not 
> fit on my city's bike bus rack.  I've had no issues on the commuter trains.
>
> If you're near Philadelphia and you want to try my "everything but the 
> kitchen sink" Platy, you're welcome to try.  It will be up for sale soon.  
> Why the sale?  The ONLY reason is I cannot fit it on my city's bus rack and 
> I live in the city where bus transportation is a must.  It's a non issue 
> for just about everyone else.  (Replacement bike is also a Riv, but it's 
> not finished yet, so haven't posted.)
>
> Feel free to contact me off list for a lot more details about different 
> Riv mixte's and step thrus--I've tried them all.  BTW, I also have this for 
> sale 
> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/2019-handsome-cycles-55cm-she-devil/7670046879.html
>   
> and LOVED riding it until my new Riv purchase.   Not quite a Riv but a 
> great commuter bike.
>
> Roberta, seems like I've tried all the mixtes I could, from Philadelphia
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-5 chungeu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
>> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
>> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
>> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
>> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
>> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
>> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
>> setup to make it more zippy?
>>
>> Best,
>> Chung
>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Roberta]

I have a 55 Platy and have ridden a Clem L.  Leah, BicycleBelleDingDing, 
has both.  Clem L is significantly longer and heavier, but let Leah weigh 
in.  

Platy is a perfect pavement bike--looks pretty and feels great.  However, 
it is long (although it is 5 inches shorter than 52 Clem L) and will not 
fit on my city's bike bus rack.  I've had no issues on the commuter trains.

If you're near Philadelphia and you want to try my "everything but the 
kitchen sink" Platy, you're welcome to try.  It will be up for sale soon.  
Why the sale?  The ONLY reason is I cannot fit it on my city's bus rack and 
I live in the city where bus transportation is a must.  It's a non issue 
for just about everyone else.  (Replacement bike is also a Riv, but it's 
not finished yet, so haven't posted.)

Feel free to contact me off list for a lot more details about different Riv 
mixte's and step thrus--I've tried them all.  BTW, I also have this for 
sale 
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/2019-handsome-cycles-55cm-she-devil/7670046879.html
  
and LOVED riding it until my new Riv purchase.   Not quite a Riv but a 
great commuter bike.

Roberta, seems like I've tried all the mixtes I could, from Philadelphia
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-5 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
> setup to make it more zippy?
>
> Best,
> Chung
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Re: [RBW] Re: Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Roberta]

 Along Ted's line of "be prepared" and my "peace of mind" I forgot to 
mention Dyno light. 

Bill, I you might have been able to find gems you wouldn't have know 
otherwise.

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:56:14 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> > One year, I tried tubeless and the piece of mind of not getting flats 
> was fabulous.  My commuter got a flat once and I had to walk home in the 
> rain pushing the bike.  I wasn't so happy.  When I went tubeless on the 
> Appa, I changed the tires to Gravel King slicks and the entire ride changed 
> for the better, bringing back more fun.  I couldn't wait to jump on it 
> every day, it was like a new bike.  So, perhaps new fabulous tires for a 
> different feel?  How about riding different bikes, perhaps for a week at a 
> time. I do that.
>
> This reminds me, being prepared for every (most?) eventualities is a huge 
> part that I think some people tend to overlook. Being stranded or having to 
> push your bike because of a mechanical failure is a quick way to ruin your 
> commuting experience. I run tubeless, knobby tires on my Appaloosa for the 
> same reason mentioned above: flat protection. Having knobby tires reduces 
> the changes of a flat in my experience and tubeless tires have a lower 
> likely hood of going flat due to the common, small punctures I experience 
> around town. In my experience, tubeless tires have added flat protection 
> compared to strictly tubed tires. You have sealant in the tire to 
> automatically seal any small punctures. In the case of punctures too big to 
> seal automatically, I carry tire plugs (also called "bacon strips"). If all 
> else fails, I also carry a spare tube and patch kit; you can always run a 
> tubeless tire with a tube if all else fails. I've also seen tire repair 
> kits that include a sewing kit for repairing sidewall tears, but I've never 
> seen a need to include that in my kit.
>
> To avoid getting stranded on the side of the road due to a mechanical 
> failure, I carry the following on my bike at all times:
> * spare tube
> * tire plugs (bacon strips, not darts)
> * tire/tube patches
> * frame pump
> * bike-specific multi-tool
> * Wolftooth (yes, branded) Pack Pliers
> * Spare quicklinks
> * Tire levers
> * Spare tubeless valve and at least one spare valve core
> * a couple of M4 bolts of various lengths
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Michael.
>>
>> I'm a city girl and a newer commuter (< 2 years) and each way is 2 
>> miles.  The traffic and rudeness can really drain a person.  The Brompton 
>> idea is pretty funny, but I had a similar thought at the beginning of my 
>> commute--ride a city bike to work and then walk home (or in your case, ride 
>> the subway to work and ride home).  The one way trip options is why I 
>> subscribe to city bike.  I love the freedom, but the bikes less so.
>>
>> I also had an Appaloosa (2016 version) and it was a fantastic bike, a 
>> perfect commuter, I think.  One year, I tried tubeless and the piece of 
>> mind of not getting flats was fabulous.  My commuter got a flat once and I 
>> had to walk home in the rain pushing the bike.  I wasn't so happy.  When I 
>> went tubeless on the Appa, I changed the tires to Gravel King slicks and 
>> the entire ride changed for the better, bringing back more fun.  I couldn't 
>> wait to jump on it every day, it was like a new bike.  So, perhaps new 
>> fabulous tires for a different feel?  How about riding different bikes, 
>> perhaps for a week at a time. I do that.
>>
>> For me, sometimes (but not enough), I take the "long way" home, having 
>> the ride feel more like a bike ride than a commute.  Or, I'll go on sightly 
>> different routes, even if they are only one block away from standard route, 
>> the scenery is different.Also, for me, I don't like riding in the rain 
>> or extreme cold, so I just don't, as I don't want to equate "ride bike" 
>> with "chore."  I'll take a bus to work and walk home.  Walking is still 
>> good exercise and it feels good to do something different.
>>
>> You'll find in my office a selection of shoes, socks and pants and I 
>> change at the office.  I got over the pack up everything everyday pretty 
>> quickly.  One of the best pieces of advice I got on this board.  Pack 
>> everything into a big bag--in my case one of the $2 cheapie backpacks with 
>> the string-- and put THAT into the pannier or the saddle bag or basket of 
>> that day's ride.  Pannier might get dirty, but that bag is always clean, 
>> big enough and easy enough to bring to my room or kitchen.
>

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Roberta]

Here's a post on iBob.  Mark from Beacon,  NY reviews his new Lightning 
Bolt. You'll need to sign in as a member to read it:   
https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/nUQKRYSsyw8

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:04:51 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Max - maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent, but while the Paul site does 
> suggest the Racers are designed for direct mounting (the center mount 
> adapter plate is optional),  direct mount centerpulls can't be used on 
> cantilever brake posts. For one the positioning for centerpull brake pivots 
> and cantilever brake posts is different (centerpull pivots are above the 
> rim, cantilever / v-brake posts are below the rim). These days there aren't 
> too many non-custom frames that have centerpull brake mounts, it's more 
> common to use centerpulls with a plate for central mounting like a standard 
> road caliper brake.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 9:50:15 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Wow, thank you all for the overwhelming response and for sharing your 
>> experience. I love the photos, keep 'em coming!
>>
>> Matt, thanks for the detail on the Tektros, I ordered a pair but also 
>> decided to pull the trigger on Alex' Mafacs (thanks Alex!) to try out the 
>> conversion.
>>
>> Here is what I'll try: 
>> 1) New 700C RH tires - Bon Jon Pass in standard casings
>> 2) Swap out Paul Racers Medium for MAFAC RAID and install 650b Wheels 
>> with Loup Loup Pass tires or with Hetres (650x42) depending on what fits
>>
>> I'm not sure when, but I will get to it... I have too many half baked 
>> projects at the moment, including my half-built Gallop on the stand right 
>> now, a brakeless Wilbury that will lose its wheels soon and a MMM bubbe 
>> with an Xtracycle that also needs a 650b conversion - I hope I can use the 
>> Paul Racers directly on the canti posts, I'm not sure if the plate where 
>> the bolt sits is removable.
>>
>> Thanks again to everyone and I'll report back.
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:33:13 PM UTC-4 
>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>
>>> Careful with offset brake pad’s 
>>> If tires are wide pad my rub on tire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> --
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>>> behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt 
>>>  
>>> I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe 
>>> Pass tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for 
>>> the toe overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads 
>>> to get a little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be 
>>> able to be combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Alex, 
>>>
>>> Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, 
>>> Tektro R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad 
>>> holders on the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you 
>>> need a bit more reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset 
>>> brake-pad holders.
>>>
>>> Evan
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Roberta]

Hi, Michael.

I'm a city girl and a newer commuter (< 2 years) and each way is 2 miles.  
The traffic and rudeness can really drain a person.  The Brompton idea is 
pretty funny, but I had a similar thought at the beginning of my 
commute--ride a city bike to work and then walk home (or in your case, ride 
the subway to work and ride home).  The one way trip options is why I 
subscribe to city bike.  I love the freedom, but the bikes less so.

I also had an Appaloosa (2016 version) and it was a fantastic bike, a 
perfect commuter, I think.  One year, I tried tubeless and the piece of 
mind of not getting flats was fabulous.  My commuter got a flat once and I 
had to walk home in the rain pushing the bike.  I wasn't so happy.  When I 
went tubeless on the Appa, I changed the tires to Gravel King slicks and 
the entire ride changed for the better, bringing back more fun.  I couldn't 
wait to jump on it every day, it was like a new bike.  So, perhaps new 
fabulous tires for a different feel?  How about riding different bikes, 
perhaps for a week at a time. I do that.

For me, sometimes (but not enough), I take the "long way" home, having the 
ride feel more like a bike ride than a commute.  Or, I'll go on sightly 
different routes, even if they are only one block away from standard route, 
the scenery is different.Also, for me, I don't like riding in the rain 
or extreme cold, so I just don't, as I don't want to equate "ride bike" 
with "chore."  I'll take a bus to work and walk home.  Walking is still 
good exercise and it feels good to do something different.

You'll find in my office a selection of shoes, socks and pants and I change 
at the office.  I got over the pack up everything everyday pretty quickly.  
One of the best pieces of advice I got on this board.  Pack everything into 
a big bag--in my case one of the $2 cheapie backpacks with the string-- and 
put THAT into the pannier or the saddle bag or basket of that day's ride.  
Pannier might get dirty, but that bag is always clean, big enough and easy 
enough to bring to my room or kitchen.

Roberta
Philadelphia

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Lately I have been biking to work again, from my home in Queens to work in 
> Manhattan. Unfortunately, my commute is less than ideal. There are few bike 
> lanes in my neighborhood. I leave at 6:30, when it’s dark and cold outside. 
> There are lots of big trucks and fast drivers. It’s hilly. Then, when I get 
> to the bike lane section of the ride, it’s crowded with electric bikes, 
> deliveristas, and stand-up electric scooters. 
>
> My commute is 7.8 miles point to point, and I make it in about 53 minutes. 
> I started keeping track of my times on Strava. I like looking at my records 
> (eastbound across Central Park in 1:40!) but I feel Strava is mostly a 
> record of how long I get stuck at red lights. There are so many stoplights 
> that I struggle to raise my average speed over 11 MPH. 
>
> I use one Ortlieb bag, and I’ve tried to lighten my load as much as 
> possible. Yet, I still feel like I am carrying a lot to work. One thing 
> I’ve been doing is rolling my work clothes and putting rubber bands around 
> them. That helps with the organization.
>
> I’m riding my Rivendell Appaloosa with a big back rack and fenders. 
> Fortunately, even after riding it for about 7 years, the bike still feels 
> amazing. I also feel great getting so much exercise, and I find I feel I 
> have more energy on days I ride compared to when I take the subway.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any bike commuting advice? I’m finding it 
> hard to stay motivated. I want advanced level advice - not just “keep your 
> tires pumped up,” but more along the lines of “Buy 5 Bromptons and have 
> your wife drop them off at work every Sunday so you can ride one home per 
> day.” One thing I might try is a lighter wheelset on the same bike. As Bill 
> Lindsay said, “If everybody had a gravity knob on their bike, we would all 
> peg it to the minimum.”
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Member New Riv

[Roberta]

Congratulations, Jim. Bike looks perfect. My first Riv was an Appaloosa 
too. I couldn’t believe how great a ride could be. One day you might take 
it on a long unhindered and think “ this bike can do everything 
comfortably.”  

Roberta 

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:19:47 AM UTC-4 jim.me...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: WIN_20231025_10_45_26_Pro.jpg][image: 
> WIN_20231025_10_41_35_Pro.jpg]
> My Joe is finally finished. I plan to tape the bar after the cockpit is 
> dialed in. I did have a vintage XTR front mech, but it was a top pull and 
> did not work. Other than that the bike is fantastic. Well - the vintage 
> Wright saddle, given to me by a neighbor cleaning out his garage, is not 
> great, but I will give it some time to break in.  This is the first bike I 
> have ridden in years that is not clip in, and I am impressed with the grip 
> of the MKS pedals. The IRD brake levers are a joy to operate. Also loving 
> the dynamo and not having to worry about charging. This bike is my around 
> town ride. 
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Welcome Jim! I also bought one of the recent Appaloosas. I went with 
>> Purple and Marks build option. Im glad to hear you’ve received yours as I’m 
>> eagerly awaiting mine. Make sure to share a pic once it’s built up.
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:53:32 AM UTC-4 jim.me...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi this is my first post. My lime green Appaloosa arrived last week and 
>>> I am looking forward to getting it built and ridden. I plan to use is as my 
>>> commuter rig. 
>>> Jim
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

I think you were smart waiting for the right size.  I was lucky enough to 
try Leah's husband's (now son's) Clem H and I thought it rode a lot like my 
Appaloosa, just no lugs.  Like you, I'd rather be mid size than on the 
cusp, although if I had to choose, I'd rather be on the low PBH end, like I 
am with my A Homer Hilsen, than on the high end, like I was with Appaloosa.

Also, I had the cork grips on my mustard Appa.  They looked OK, but your 
white ones really made the color pop.  The cork grips, themselves, were 
pretty, organic, but the color really did nothing for the bike in 
general.   My third bike (also a Riv) has Ergon grips, as did all my 
previous bikes.  Next to actually learning about Riv and buying one, Ergon 
grips were the best investment I made to help alleviate my neck pain while 
riding.

Roberta

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks, Roberta!  The Clem build has evolved a bit both deliberately and 
> circumstantially.  I've also periodically added stickers when the mood 
> strikes to further personalize it... between an overflowing sticker 
> envelope begging to be emptied and as further deterrent to ever selling.  
> Not that I've *really* thought about selling, but as my only current bike 
> of actual value I may have debated it now and then to offset other 
> expenses.  I know I'd regret it, especially if my other and much older 
> bikes end up failing (which is somewhat expected with unknown history of 
> two frames being 40 years & older and a 3rd having always been mine but 
> used heavily on and off since 1994.  I was very close to ordering a mustard 
> 62cm Appaloosa when they were first released.  I ultimately passed knowing 
> I'd be on the max end of the fit range of the 62cm and would strongly 
> prefer to be at the middle or bottom end of the fit range having a history 
> of too small bikes.  I'd later join the 65cm Clem H presale but even before 
> the Mustard was announced as an option.  I just thought I'd end up with the 
> dark green that was already being used until an unexpected email from Dave 
> at Riv offering the Mustard option for those already set with the pre-sale 
> with that batch.  Having previously considered the mustard Appaloosa and 
> with another dark green bike already in my possession I didn't hesitate to 
> opt for the mustard yellow, even though I still hadn't seen it in person.  
> I was ultimately pleased with the color and it really does seem to change 
> depending on the lighting, surroundings, and components.  When paired with 
> my mix of upcycled olive canvas bags they really pull out green shades in 
> the paint.
>
> After a game of musical grips between a couple of my and my spouse's bikes 
> I ended up with a need for new grips on the Clem and choice between the 
> white silicone and Portuguese cork grips... or various bar tape options in 
> the grip box.  I've been saving a few things including those cork grips for 
> far too long for some 'final' builds, once fully settled on 
> bar/lever/shifter arrangements.  The other saved item is the now 
> discontinued Velo Orange elkhide sew-on leather tape (the longer ones sized 
> for drops.)  I *almost* used the cork grips here but went white silicone 
> instead knowing that although I do like the feel of cork (it's admittedly 
> an existing preference carried over from fishing rod grips... both textural 
> and aesthetic)  but because I have not yet tried any of these ESI type 
> grips I figured it was time to give these a try.  They are not actual ESI 
> grips but another brand Riv briefly had listed in the garage sale and added 
> to a previous order.  I do like the way the white pops in a way he cork 
> would not and even kind of complements the cream text in the Clem Smith 
> decal.  I have one set of actual Ergon grips (GP1, maybe) and another set 
> of similar style that ended up on my wife's bike but recently found Ergon 
> also now offers a GC1 model specifically made for swept back bars between 
> 30 and 60deg backsweep and may eventually give those a try on either my 
> Bullmoose or Jones bars to compare to my existing set or Ergons but not 
> looking to make any immediate changes.  I have not seen any white colors 
> offered recently with Ergon and believe you are correct that they must have 
> been discontinued.  They seem to offer their round style grips in multiple 
> colors but not with the other models.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:17:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
>> mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
>> has made me change my mind about the color and how the 

Re: [RBW] Carrying groceries on your bike

[Roberta]

I don't do too many grocery runs by bike anymore, since I can go to a 
selection of stores within 1/2 mile, so a walk with backpack is fine.  
Still,  I'm set up like Carolyn, with basket on rack and panniers if I need 
more space.  I found that I don't like to be too unequal with weight when 
hauling.

However, when I did use my bike for rides to the co-op, I had collapsible 
Wald rear panniers and loved them.  Not in the way when not needed, there 
when I do!  No one was going to steal them off my bike either, so I was 
always prepared.  I think I still have them, so if anyone wants them, let 
me know and I'll check my stash. 

Roberta

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I am fortunate to live in a development adjacent to one of the trail heads 
> to an expansive area of preserved grass and woodlands (much of it former 
> farmland) with a growing network of multiuse paths.  That particular 
> location in the photo is not necessarily along my usual route, but a short 
> detour onto one of the unmaintained alternate trails.  A large part of the 
> main trail has been paved with many others now packed gravel and stone dust 
> but this is still a good example of the scenery I do get to experience 
> whenever I do get out on the bike.  
>
> These trails now account for a significant % of my total mileage and I do 
> certainly get to turn most bike errand runs into a pleasant outing.  
> Unfortunately, my actual frequency of bike based errands or grocery runs 
> has greatly decreased lately so the majority of my recent rides have become 
> a variety of quick out and back loops or weekend family biking.  With a 
> trout stocked brook and a decent size lake on the opposite side of the park 
> system just a few miles away we can arrange some extended bike based family 
> outings so I've continued to experiment with various gear and kid hauling 
> combinations the past few years, whenever time permits or when our growing 
> child warranted adjustments with seating arrangements.  Kid hauling has 
> since been simplified to a second hand seat post mounted tag-a-long tandem 
> type attachment now that he's outgrown the rear mounted child seats and 
> started riding on his own.  The tandem attachment is only fitted right now 
> to my old 90's rigid MTB which lacks a front rack or basket and could use 
> some revisiting for gear hauling solutions but I was otherwise happy to 
> find a new use for the frame that had been at risk of offloading for 
> sometime.
>
> The Schwinn does make a very nice beater grocery bike but I've honestly 
> been tempted on a few occasions to strip it down and give it a spray.bike 
> repaint.  It's paint is in the worst condition of all my current bikes and 
> after having it serviced and aligned at a local shop after some initial 
> handling issues with the first build, I've since enjoyed it enough to think 
> a fresh coat of paint and re-build could be entirely worthwhile.  On the 
> other hand, I continue to appreciate it's current state and a complete lack 
> of concern for it's cosmetics so I eventually reconsider and leave it 
> alone.  It was an unexpected and opportunistic acquisition from a co-op 
> that was a short ride from my former office.  I would occasionally drop in 
> there to bring donated boxes of no longer needed parts and/or spend time 
> digging through the bins for occasional needed items for other projects 
> when I happened to see the huge frame in the rafters.  Brought it home that 
> day and it's served me well ever since so I may just end up giving it a 
> full makeover one of these days if I find the time.
>
> Brian Cole
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:01:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the background, Brian. The Schwinn looks like the idea beater 
>> grocery bike and if your shopping route includes that background you 
>> certainly make a chore into a pleasant outing.
>>
>> I tried big front baskets on a couple of bikes but failed to reinforce 
>> the very inadequate Wald hardware and so got poor results. I did try a big 
>> and stiff and heavy porteur rack on the front of a 1958 low trail Herse 
>> (far from being a collectors' item this was an orphan rejected by 2 
>> previous owners including Jan Heine who brought it in from France; tubing 
>> too thick or something. More below*) with a big custom bag for the rack, 
>> but with the sorts of grocery weights I often carry -- 30 or 35 lb is 
>> common, I've carried up to 50 lb -- even the Herse complained. I went back 
>> to rear loads which my Rivendell road bikes and various old road/racing 
>> frames handled with decorum and even aplomb. But if I were riding just a 
>> couple of miles to the store and had to lock a 

[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Roberta]

Congratulations to everyone who are getting bicycles for those of you that 
this is a first Riv.  This is the ultimate Riv that I’ve never owned.  My 
bet is that you’ll ride it for two minutes,  and then wonder what you 
waited for.  I wish you all the most happiness in the saddle.

Roberta 
PS  Pam, in another thread,  is looking for a B68s in Honey, so if any of 
you can buy the saddle with your complete build, she will buy you your 
preferred saddle so you can do a trade with her.  she’s petite so there’s 
very few things that she’s able to trade when it comes to riding her Bike, 
a Betty Foy. 

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:22:16 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s 
> mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my 
> first Riv, a Platypus. 
>
> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver 
> for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
> various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
> with more than enough comfort. 
>
> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
> 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
> practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
> appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
> which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
> singletrack ;). 
>
> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help 
> bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into 
> that realm.
>
> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider 
> to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. 
> Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all 
> know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it 
> my own. 
>
> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
> color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
> different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
> too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
> gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
> been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
> Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”
>
> I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride 
> report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
> engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 
>
> Good luck to all! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
>> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that 
>> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
>> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
>> different purples. 
>>
>> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, 
>> casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an 
>> Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply 
>> doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. 
>> She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
>>> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
>>> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
>>> fantastic in that color. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going 
>>>> to be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's 
>>>> Platypus Day tomorrow:)
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
>>>>> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>>>>>
>>>>> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is getting one?
>>>>>
>>>>> What color?
>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Roberta]

Congratulations to everyone who are getting bicycles

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:22:16 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s 
> mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my 
> first Riv, a Platypus. 
>
> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver 
> for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
> various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
> with more than enough comfort. 
>
> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
> 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
> practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
> appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
> which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
> singletrack ;). 
>
> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help 
> bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into 
> that realm.
>
> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider 
> to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. 
> Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all 
> know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it 
> my own. 
>
> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
> color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
> different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
> too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
> gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
> been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
> Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”
>
> I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride 
> report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
> engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 
>
> Good luck to all! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
>> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that 
>> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
>> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
>> different purples. 
>>
>> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, 
>> casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an 
>> Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply 
>> doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. 
>> She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
>>> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
>>> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
>>> fantastic in that color. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going 
 to be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's 
 Platypus Day tomorrow:)

 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>
> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>
> Who is getting one?
>
> What color?
>
> What plans for the bike?
>
> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bobish/Riv-ish 55cm mixte She-Devil

[Roberta]

Bump and price drop to $500 for board friends. I’m willing to drive a 
reasonable distance to meet a serious buyer. I loved riding this bike but 
it needs to go to make space for my new Riv, which I’ll post shortly. I’m 
5’7” with PBH of 83cm. 
On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 8:32:46 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Oops!  I forgot to include the craigslist link:  
> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/handsome-cycles-55cm-she-devil-city-16/7670046879.html
>
> $700
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 8:29:01 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I procured what I think will be my retirement/forever bike (I'll post 
>> pics when it's all built up and I think you all will like it).  In the 
>> meantime, I'd like to make space and some $$ to help pay for the new one, 
>> so I hope you won't mind me posting this here.
>>
>> I hope this finds a new owner who enjoys it as much as I did the past few 
>> years.
>>
>> Roberta
>> Philadelphia, PA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

Ryan,

I love the white grips with your mustard colored Clem.  I once had a 
mustard Appaloosa and was never crazy about its color. However, your Clem 
has made me change my mind about the color and how the accessories can 
really change the look— your Clem is like a well thought out and put 
together outfit. 

I recently installed light tan ESI grips on my Homer to hopefully match my 
head tube, although it turns out that the head tube is more yellowy-tan. 
It’s close enough for me although I might go for the aqua color next time 
as it’s a fairly close match to my bike frame. 

I have the same Ergon white grips as Leah on my mermaid Platy. They were 
hard to find and I’m not sure if they’re made any longer. I LOVE her new 
grips but I think they might look too heavy on my Platy, which has a more 
 lightness vibe. 

Roberta 
Philadelphia 

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:59:34 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Two Big Bullmoosed Clems, too! 
>
> I honestly kind of miss my Ergon style grips on the bullmoose though 
> (after those I had were donated to another build.)  I eventually do plan to 
> swap my round silicone foam grips at some point but not just yet.  Well 
> done with the harlequin wrap and I like the orange fenders too.  I haven’t 
> had a fendered bike since moving on from a too small Sports 3-speed.  If I 
> do add fenders anywhere it’ll either be on the Clem if I move to a more 
> slick tire or my replacement Raleigh that ended up a single speed (if I 
> could fit 45mm fenders over the 32mm tires under the long reach calipers).  
> I’d still like to build an alternate 700c 3-speed wheel with my AW hub 
> collecting dust on the shelf for that Raleigh but just haven’t made it a 
> priority yet.
>
> Looking forward to seeing your new rear rack creation!
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_7125_Original.jpeg]
>> Big Clems in New Jersey!! 
>> I need to rewrap my left grip, but you can’t see it in this photo taken 
>> earlier today during one of my rare commutes out to Jersey. Working on a 
>> new rear rack for this, but it’s moving slow. Rack makeover soon though…
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> Finally documented the current state of the Clem with its unseasonably 
>>> white grips after sneaking out for a lunch ride earlier.  
>>>
>>> With another saddle/seatpost swap, front and rear racks back on, and 
>>> finally getting around to the front v-brake swap to get the needed 
>>> noodle/straddle wire clearance with the fork crown mount with slightly 
>>> shorter arms.  Haven’t switched rear v-brakes and may not unless my wife 
>>> objects to the black and silver brake mullet.  But it was easy enough to 
>>> swap the arms with leaving cables and noodles intact so will see.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

Beautiful.  She has basically. New bike. Love the cream head tube and the 
filled in hearts. 
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Before & after for my honey's bikie...  This Yves Gomez was advertised in 
> "as new" condition, which was a fine claim, except it turned out to not be 
> remotely true. All the components were heavily worn / unusable, and 
> everything associated with the drivetrain (and front wheel) had to be 
> replaced. I converted it into an easy 1x1 with a front basket. It got only 
> a few miles in that state, partly because the frame got gouged quite 
> severely in shipping. (Some of you may recall my quest for the "mustard 
> Clem" color code...) I sent the bike to Jack Trumbull of Franklin Frame for 
> repair and repaint, after which, I rebuilt it. Now it's been suped up with 
> a nice seat, grips, fancy crank, other nice components, custom Riv bags, 
> and metal fenders. 
>
> - Max 
>
> [image: Yves Gomez original ad.jpg][image: Yves Gomez green basket 
> driveside.jpg]
> [image: Yves Gomez repaint 1x9 fenders driveside.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

Thanks, John.

I must have said it wrong.  I moved my saddle AWAY from the bars, towards 
the rear end of my bike.  I think that's called aft (I had to look it up).  
the bars were still too close, so I cut off 1cm (after a year of trying to 
feel OK).  If the stem had come in an 11cm, I would have just done that.  

I ended in a good position, so like you said " then all is good in life."

Roberta

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Roberta
>
> Pushing the saddle BACK to the back of the clamp, moves the saddle FORWARD 
> the maximum amount.  This indicates the saddle to bar distance is too long 
> and your needed to reduce the reach.   Maybe you pushed it too far forward, 
> most Brooks have only 20 to 30mm of total fore/aft motion..  
>
> Did you cut 1cm off the bars after pushing forward the max amount??.  
>  Cutting the bars indicate the saddle to bar distance is too short, the 
> opposite of your original action (push saddle forward).   The 1 cm cut is 
> within the range of Brooks adjustability.
>
> But if you ended in a good position, then all is good in life.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:26:10 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I've had a few emails with other RivSisters who own Platys and there are 
>> quite a few of us who've commented on having to push one's saddle back as 
>> far as the rails could take it.  
>>
>> I'm on a 55 Platy with 83cm pbh--one or two more than Leah AND I like my 
>> saddle high-- and would probably like mine back a touch more, but I'm 
>> unwilling to buy a new seat post.  My stem is one of the Nitto extra tall 
>> ones with 10 cm, the longest they make for the extra high model.  I ended 
>> up cutting (*"the horror"*) 1 cm off my Billie Bars.  Her 
>> saddle/seatpost would be shorter than mine, closer to the handlebars, 
>> right?, so she might feel it more.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:02:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What’s weird is that I sized up! My PBH would technically fit the 50!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Reflecting on all the setback talk, I *do *think the reach may be 
>>> inherently a tad short for the rider in question. I'm the same height as 
>>> Leah - possibly even shorter, I'm aging and shrinking! - and Grant designed 
>>> my Rivendell with a 54.2 ST, 63 ETT to work with Boscos up way high. It's 
>>> perfect. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:33:09 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love the new look. I also love the old look! Basically I just love 
>>>> that Raspberry Racing Platy ❤️❤️❤️
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 6:52:55 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>>>> thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
>>>>> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
>>>>> Platypus, 
>>>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>>>
>>>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
>>>>> me the unvarnished truth. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather 
>>>>> grips 
>>>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

I've had a few emails with other RivSisters who own Platys and there are 
quite a few of us who've commented on having to push one's saddle back as 
far as the rails could take it.  

I'm on a 55 Platy with 83cm pbh--one or two more than Leah AND I like my 
saddle high-- and would probably like mine back a touch more, but I'm 
unwilling to buy a new seat post.  My stem is one of the Nitto extra tall 
ones with 10 cm, the longest they make for the extra high model.  I ended 
up cutting (*"the horror"*) 1 cm off my Billie Bars.  Her saddle/seatpost 
would be shorter than mine, closer to the handlebars, right?, so she might 
feel it more.



On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:02:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> What’s weird is that I sized up! My PBH would technically fit the 50!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Reflecting on all the setback talk, I *do *think the reach may be 
> inherently a tad short for the rider in question. I'm the same height as 
> Leah - possibly even shorter, I'm aging and shrinking! - and Grant designed 
> my Rivendell with a 54.2 ST, 63 ETT to work with Boscos up way high. It's 
> perfect. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:33:09 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love the new look. I also love the old look! Basically I just love that 
>> Raspberry Racing Platy ❤️❤️❤️
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 6:52:55 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Makeover Thread

[Roberta]

Your bike looks smashing--ready for all autumnal adventures.  Very rich 
looking.   Those grips are beautiful.

I think that bag does a good job camouflaging the less appealing seat post.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:52:55 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
> thread.
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
> the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
> interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to 
> match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>
> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Roberta]

BTW, "couldn't get enough opinions" meant "I got a lot of opinions, but 
even more would have been even better."  You knowmore is more.  :)  
This is a great board full of wonderful people.  Thank you!

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 1:50:36 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I know this is an older thread, but I used this board a lot when I was 
> researching which "one" Riv to buy and couldn't get enough opinions.  
>
> In 2017,   I decided on the 2016 51 cm Appaloosa.  Strong, stable, 
> smooth.  I was in heaven.  Then, I purchased a 2019 54.5 Homer to keep at a 
> second location.  Light, lively, sprightly.   I've come to love this bike 
> more.  It now has racks and fenders like the Appa (same tire--Gravel King 
> slicks) but still rides like it did before, much more fun for me than the 
> Appa, For me out of 10, Homer is a 10, Appa is a 9.
>
> I'd guess that the Sam/Platy/Cheviot all ride similarly.  Appa/Atlantis 
> ride most similarly.  the only "lighter" bike I've ridden is Homer.
>
> Not a bad decision in the bunch.
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:52:13 AM UTC-4 shu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own three steel bikes: A 2003 Independent Fabrication Independence 
>> (their full touring frame, designed by Mike Flanigan), a low trail rando 
>> frame with 650b wheels made by a small builder, and a 2020 Roadini.  The 
>> Indy Fab is a miraculous bike for loaded touring; incredibly stable with 
>> full panniers and surprisingly light and quick when stripped, given its 
>> stout tubing.  I rode it across the US in 2004, and it has seen many, many 
>> miles since.  I have converted my rando frame to function as  errand 
>> runner, for I determined over the course of thousands of miles, that I just 
>> don't like the feel of 650 wheels.  Since acquiring the Roadini in 2020, 
>> I've ridden nothing else.  It felt, in so many ways, like the perfect bike 
>> for my needs.  Exactly what I wanted from a "road + gravel" bike.  The vast 
>> majority of my riding is done alone, on some combination of gravel and 
>> road, rides falling between 20-70 miles.  I'm not as fast as I was in my 
>> twenties, thirties, or forties, but I keep a fairly brisk pace.  I 
>> generally ride with a lightweight frame bag (made by Swift Industries) with 
>> no other bags or racks on the bike.  I'm running Paul centerpulls which 
>> allows me to comfortably fit Rene Herse 38's, my favourite tires to date. 
>>  Until last week, I sort of figured that the Roadini would be the bike that 
>> I would ride for the rest of my life.  But then, after a short fifteen mile 
>> ride on mixed surfaces, on a different bike, everything changed.  
>>
>> My wife and I finally caved and bought our son a great bike, as he is 
>> almost sixteen and wishes to join me on longer rides.  He has just 
>> surpassed my height, so we bought him an A. Homer Hilsen as it will fit him 
>> longer if he keeps growing, and it seemed the most versatile of choices. 
>>  After the build was finished, I took the bike out to make sure that 
>> everything was working properly, and within a few miles, I quickly 
>> determined that this was *without question*, my favourite bike that I 
>> had ever ridden in my life.  No, it did not feel as quick as my Roadini, 
>> but it didn't feel as sluggish as my unloaded Indy Fab; which struck me as 
>> odd, given that the chain stays are MUCH longer on the Homer.  The comfort 
>> level was astounding.  There are moments on the Roadini where I hit a 
>> smooth stretch of recently paved road, the feeling of flying is accentuated 
>> and I think to myself, "this is such a glorious sensation!"  The Homer felt 
>> that way the* entire* ride.  On both road and gravel, I felt like I was 
>> simply gliding.  The steering felt a bit slower and the bike didn't 
>> accelerate as quickly, but the stability and comfort were so incredible 
>> that I just didn't care.  I live in New England and some of the old gravel 
>> roads can be rough, such that I normally lift off the saddle over bumps and 
>> hold the bars lightly.  Not so with the Homer.  It was, to my great 
>> surprise, even smoother than my Indy Fab.  I should note that I was using 
>> the same Rene Herse 38's.  
>>
>> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
>> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame 
>> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, 
>> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to 
>> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 

Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Roberta]

I know this is an older thread, but I used this board a lot when I was 
researching which "one" Riv to buy and couldn't get enough opinions.  

In 2017,   I decided on the 2016 51 cm Appaloosa.  Strong, stable, smooth.  
I was in heaven.  Then, I purchased a 2019 54.5 Homer to keep at a second 
location.  Light, lively, sprightly.   I've come to love this bike more.  
It now has racks and fenders like the Appa (same tire--Gravel King slicks) 
but still rides like it did before, much more fun for me than the Appa, For 
me out of 10, Homer is a 10, Appa is a 9.

I'd guess that the Sam/Platy/Cheviot all ride similarly.  Appa/Atlantis 
ride most similarly.  the only "lighter" bike I've ridden is Homer.

Not a bad decision in the bunch.
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:52:13 AM UTC-4 shu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own three steel bikes: A 2003 Independent Fabrication Independence 
> (their full touring frame, designed by Mike Flanigan), a low trail rando 
> frame with 650b wheels made by a small builder, and a 2020 Roadini.  The 
> Indy Fab is a miraculous bike for loaded touring; incredibly stable with 
> full panniers and surprisingly light and quick when stripped, given its 
> stout tubing.  I rode it across the US in 2004, and it has seen many, many 
> miles since.  I have converted my rando frame to function as  errand 
> runner, for I determined over the course of thousands of miles, that I just 
> don't like the feel of 650 wheels.  Since acquiring the Roadini in 2020, 
> I've ridden nothing else.  It felt, in so many ways, like the perfect bike 
> for my needs.  Exactly what I wanted from a "road + gravel" bike.  The vast 
> majority of my riding is done alone, on some combination of gravel and 
> road, rides falling between 20-70 miles.  I'm not as fast as I was in my 
> twenties, thirties, or forties, but I keep a fairly brisk pace.  I 
> generally ride with a lightweight frame bag (made by Swift Industries) with 
> no other bags or racks on the bike.  I'm running Paul centerpulls which 
> allows me to comfortably fit Rene Herse 38's, my favourite tires to date. 
>  Until last week, I sort of figured that the Roadini would be the bike that 
> I would ride for the rest of my life.  But then, after a short fifteen mile 
> ride on mixed surfaces, on a different bike, everything changed.  
>
> My wife and I finally caved and bought our son a great bike, as he is 
> almost sixteen and wishes to join me on longer rides.  He has just 
> surpassed my height, so we bought him an A. Homer Hilsen as it will fit him 
> longer if he keeps growing, and it seemed the most versatile of choices. 
>  After the build was finished, I took the bike out to make sure that 
> everything was working properly, and within a few miles, I quickly 
> determined that this was *without question*, my favourite bike that I had 
> ever ridden in my life.  No, it did not feel as quick as my Roadini, but it 
> didn't feel as sluggish as my unloaded Indy Fab; which struck me as odd, 
> given that the chain stays are MUCH longer on the Homer.  The comfort level 
> was astounding.  There are moments on the Roadini where I hit a smooth 
> stretch of recently paved road, the feeling of flying is accentuated and I 
> think to myself, "this is such a glorious sensation!"  The Homer felt that 
> way the* entire* ride.  On both road and gravel, I felt like I was simply 
> gliding.  The steering felt a bit slower and the bike didn't accelerate as 
> quickly, but the stability and comfort were so incredible that I just 
> didn't care.  I live in New England and some of the old gravel roads can be 
> rough, such that I normally lift off the saddle over bumps and hold the 
> bars lightly.  Not so with the Homer.  It was, to my great surprise, even 
> smoother than my Indy Fab.  I should note that I was using the same Rene 
> Herse 38's.  
>
> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame 
> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, 
> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to 
> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 
> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike 
> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with either. 
>  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the 
> feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no comparison. 
>  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a 
> weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits 
> nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as 
> you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out 
> in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.  
>
> Good luck!   
>
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:08:07 PM UTC-4 

[RBW] Re: FS: Double Kickstand

[Roberta]

This has been spoken for.  Thanks!

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Forgot the link:  https://www.cl-massload.com.tw/products_detail/82
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:41:33 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Massload CL-KA56 Kickstand in silver with black "feet."  
>>
>> Takeoff from another bike.  I don't need anything this hefty.
>>
>> $20 + shipping.  
>>
>> I just shipped similar size and weight from Philadelphia, PA to Illinois 
>> and it was only 8.80.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Double Kickstand

[Roberta]

Forgot the link:  https://www.cl-massload.com.tw/products_detail/82

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:41:33 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Massload CL-KA56 Kickstand in silver with black "feet."  
>
> Takeoff from another bike.  I don't need anything this hefty.
>
> $20 + shipping.  
>
> I just shipped similar size and weight from Philadelphia, PA to Illinois 
> and it was only 8.80.
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Double Kickstand

[Roberta]

Massload CL-KA56 Kickstand in silver with black "feet."  

Takeoff from another bike.  I don't need anything this hefty.

$20 + shipping.  

I just shipped similar size and weight from Philadelphia, PA to Illinois 
and it was only 8.80.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Technomic 12cm stem, Sackville Banana Sacks

[Roberta]

Everything has been spoken for, pending payment.  Thanks and I hope 
everyone loves their purchases!

Roberta

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:45:24 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Stem has been spoken for. Two banana sacks remain. 
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:32:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Stem--take off from Riv bike. 12cm.  Light scratches,   $25+shipping.  It 
>> was holding an Albatross handlebar.  Nothing wrong with it, just too long 
>> for me.  
>>
>> Two Sackille Banana Sacks--one new in box (the one that looks smaller in 
>> the pics--its just not puffed up, one barely used.  My receipt calls them 
>> "blue" but I'd call them navy.  I love the size of the bag, but prefer 
>> transverse shaped bag. They also have a stiffener and a flap to cover your 
>> goods before securing the toggle.  Love the flap. New: $105 + shipping, 
>> barely used: $90 + shipping.  
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sackville-banana-sax?variant=40595319062639
>>
>> Please PM me with interest or additional questions.  Shipping from 19106
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>> Philadelphia, PA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Technomic 12cm stem, Sackville Banana Sacks

[Roberta]

Stem has been spoken for. Two banana sacks remain. 

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 2:32:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Stem--take off from Riv bike. 12cm.  Light scratches,   $25+shipping.  It 
> was holding an Albatross handlebar.  Nothing wrong with it, just too long 
> for me.  
>
> Two Sackille Banana Sacks--one new in box (the one that looks smaller in 
> the pics--its just not puffed up, one barely used.  My receipt calls them 
> "blue" but I'd call them navy.  I love the size of the bag, but prefer 
> transverse shaped bag. They also have a stiffener and a flap to cover your 
> goods before securing the toggle.  Love the flap. New: $105 + shipping, 
> barely used: $90 + shipping.  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sackville-banana-sax?variant=40595319062639
>
> Please PM me with interest or additional questions.  Shipping from 19106
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
> Philadelphia, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bobish/Riv-ish 55cm mixte She-Devil

[Roberta]

 Oops!  I forgot to include the craigslist link:  
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/handsome-cycles-55cm-she-devil-city-16/7670046879.html
   
$700

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 8:29:01 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I procured what I think will be my retirement/forever bike (I'll post pics 
> when it's all built up and I think you all will like it).  In the meantime, 
> I'd like to make space and some $$ to help pay for the new one, so I hope 
> you won't mind me posting this here.
>
> I hope this finds a new owner who enjoys it as much as I did the past few 
> years.
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bobish/Riv-ish 55cm mixte She-Devil

[Roberta]

Oops!  I forgot to include the craigslist link:  
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/handsome-cycles-55cm-she-devil-city-16/7670046879.html

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 8:29:01 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I procured what I think will be my retirement/forever bike (I'll post pics 
> when it's all built up and I think you all will like it).  In the meantime, 
> I'd like to make space and some $$ to help pay for the new one, so I hope 
> you won't mind me posting this here.
>
> I hope this finds a new owner who enjoys it as much as I did the past few 
> years.
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia, PA
>

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[RBW] FS: Bobish/Riv-ish 55cm mixte She-Devil

[Roberta]

I procured what I think will be my retirement/forever bike (I'll post pics 
when it's all built up and I think you all will like it).  In the meantime, 
I'd like to make space and some $$ to help pay for the new one, so I hope 
you won't mind me posting this here.

I hope this finds a new owner who enjoys it as much as I did the past few 
years.

Roberta
Philadelphia, PA

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[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Roberta]

Fabulous. Looking forward to seeing ride report and pics. 
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:30:31 PM UTC-4 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My one year anniversary of ownership of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle.

[Roberta]

Wow, she’s a looker—a beautiful retirement bike. I never thought of 
handlebar tape where your foot might strike the frame (probably though that 
never happens on a Clem L) but I like the extra pop of personality.   Happy 
retirement riding.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:00:48 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just want to share that today marks a one year anniversary of my 
> ownership of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle.  This is my first Rivendell 
> bicycle. 
>
> Over the course of a year, I have learned to fully appreciate it in every 
> way as a senior cyclist. I delight in the upright riding position with the 
> Nitto Bosco handlebars and Nitto Techomic long stem, the elongated chain 
> stays and wheelbase of almost 80" for stability and sure-footedness on and 
> off road riding. Furthermore, I appreciate the low gearing that I have 
> customized thanks to the Avid Micro-adapter. I now have 34/20T on Silver 
> crankset and a SunRace 11-40T 9-speed cassette, of which allows me with a 
> wide gear ranges.
>
> My bike is not fast. I do not mind. I can see the world around me better. 
> It is comfortable and that in itself matters a lot. It is a keeper. I do 
> not plan selling anytime soon. It is my retirement bike. 
>
> I am in love.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> The two pictures below are:
> 1). The bike what it looked like from the seller before he sold it to me.
> 2). My bike after one year of ownership with all of my personal upgrades. 
>
> [image: Paul Shin's Clem Smith Jr. L I bought from him (2).jpg][image: 
> 20230829_155025zzz September 2023 2.jpg]
>
> Thank-you, Paul.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bicycle Works new saddle coming out in September 2023

[Roberta]

I don’t know but if anyone can get one in black, and ia willing I can swap 
a VGC one + $$ in honey or brown. I’d like a black one. Two, actually. 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:44:16 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone know what’s the price for a B68 if you buy it with a 
> frame/bike at Riv?
>
> Thanks
> Max
>
> On Aug 30, 2023, at 12:21 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Smitty, your description of how you sit on a Brooks sounds like you don't 
> have the nose high enough. I had the same problem for ages until I took a 
> cue from Rich @ Riv (the wheelbuilder) and pointed mine way up. The trick - 
> which is admittedly very hard to tolerate long enough for it to work - is 
> too start with it so high that it feels weird..then don't touch it. Keep 
> riding like 10 miles and and you may find it feels great and you're sitting 
> near the center of the saddle. If not, drop it a very minor amount and do a 
> few more miles that way. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 4:15:53 PM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I always find myself (uncomfortably) sitting far back on Brooks and 
>> similar saddles, on the rivits or hard support structure. Or I find myself 
>> sliding into the nose. I wonder if the wider and slightly more modern shape 
>> of this new RBW saddle would be helpful. Not running bars above saddle 
>> height though. 
>>
>> Smitty in DC
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:03:26 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Kim. This is so interesting to me. I find the B-17’s and 
>>> other saddles of similar width, like the Selle Anatomica, to be a bit too 
>>> narrow. Currently I’m happy riding B67 on my commuter and in-town bike, 
>>>  and B68s on my  Rivs,   However, I’d like to have a less fancy saddle on 
>>> my commuter, as I’m nervous about locking it up. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>> Philadelphia 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:47:42 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found this on the sub-Reddit site r/xbiking;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/161zcw8/looks_like_rivs_new_plastic_saddle_is_coming_in/?utm_source=share_medium=android_app_name=androidcss_term=10_content=1=63131
>>>>
>>>> Looks interesting with possibilities.
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>>
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