Re: [RBW] Atlantis 55 for sale

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Bump and price drop. 
Frame and fork for *$1300*.  I can also sell the complete bike. We can 
negotiate the price depending on wheel set. The bike is available in 
Danville, CA for test rides/local pick up. Shipping can be arranged through 
a local bike shop. 

Thanks for looking . 

Deepak

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:04:49 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> Bump and an update .
> I have decided to offer frame and fork for $1500.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 20:26 atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have decided to sell my Atlantis to fund for Sam. I believe that this 
>> is 2019 model. I am the second owner. The bike is excellent condition and 
>> may be with normal wear and tear (See photo, no dents or scratches visible 
>> to naked eyes). Also the original owner had seat tube reamed to 27.2. The 
>> only reason I am selling is that for my weight and riding habits Sam would 
>> probably suit me better and the new color is very tempting! Asking for 
>> $1600 frame (I would like to keep all the components for Sam build) ,pre 
>> shipping. I might be persuaded to sell cranks, we can discuss.  I am based 
>> out of east bay, CA  and would prefer local sale. Now the big caveat! I 
>> will only sell if the new Sam frame (54) is still available at the time of 
>> sale! 
>>
>> thanks for looking. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_0797.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Handle bars, stems and saddle (Nitto, Brooks , IRD and Vello Orange)

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Bump. Handle bars, stems and Saddle are still available. 

Thanks ,
Deepak 

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 9:23:34 AM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> All, 
> Wanted to give a quick update on what's remaining. 
>
> *Handlebars*
>
> 1.Chocos (x1) - $90 (< 100 Miles) – 1 left 
>
>  
>
> *Stems*
>
> 1.IRD faceplater  100m - $70
>
> 2.Nitto talllux 70 mm -  $70
>
> 3.Vello orange 120 mm stem with quill adapter - $50
>
>  
>
> *Saddle*
>
> B17 special in honey $110 (<200 miles still lots of life)
>
> Thanks,
> Deepak Atreya
>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 10:05 PM atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello, 
>>
>> I am clearing out my parts bin. These would make nice components for the 
>> upcoming Sam builds.  All the prices mentioned below are excluding 
>> shipping. We can finalize the shipping based on destination and USPS 
>> delivery.  It's available in east bay, CA for pick up. Thanks for looking. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/76PBS7P8V2
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Handlebars*
>>
>> 1.Chocos (x2) - $90 (< 100 Miles)
>>
>>  *Stems*
>>
>> 1.Nitto faceplater 80mm - $100 
>>
>> 2.Nitto faceplater 100mm - $100 
>>
>> 3.IRD faceplater  - $70
>>
>> 4.Nitto talllux 70 mm -  $70
>>
>> 5.Vello orange 120 mm stem with quill adapter - $50
>>
>> *Saddle*
>>
>> B17 special in honey $110 (<200 miles still lots of life)
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deepak 
>>
>> Danville, CA
>>
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[RBW] FS: Handle bars, stems and saddle (Nitto, Brooks , IRD and Vello Orange)

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Hello, 

I am clearing out my parts bin. These would make nice components for the 
upcoming Sam builds.  All the prices mentioned below are excluding 
shipping. We can finalize the shipping based on destination and USPS 
delivery.  It's available in east bay, CA for pick up. Thanks for looking. 

 

https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/76PBS7P8V2

 

*Handlebars*

1.Chocos (x2) - $90 (< 100 Miles)

 *Stems*

1.Nitto faceplater 80mm - $100 

2.Nitto faceplater 100mm - $100 

3.IRD faceplater  - $70

4.Nitto talllux 70 mm -  $70

5.Vello orange 120 mm stem with quill adapter - $50

*Saddle*

B17 special in honey $110 (<200 miles still lots of life)


Thanks,

Deepak 

Danville, CA

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[RBW] 2019 55 CM Atlantis for Sale

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Folks,
A week ago I put the frame only for sale to see if I could fund a Sam. 
Fortunately another bike has come my way and I am selling the entire bike. 
It is in excellent condition and may be minor scratches barely visible to 
naked eyes. I could spot only one and my camera had tough time focusing on 
it! 

Its been built with premium components , Paul levers, Moto lite , Paul 
skewers. It has quill wheels with onyx hub built by Rich. I can't recommend 
these hubs enough!. The brooks b68 saddle on it is brand new (less than 10 
miles ).  Everything on bike can go except for bells and lights . 

I am asking $3500 and buyer can arrange shipping with a local bike shop. I 
believe this is a great deal.  I am based out of east bay and would prefer 
local sale. 

Links to the photo below. 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/96AS68M194

Let me know if you have any questions. 

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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

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Phew! Bike looks so good. Good luck on our ride tomorrow. Keep us posted.

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>
> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>
> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
> broke loose! 
>
> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>
> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
> shop.
>
> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
> into one functioning part!
>
> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>
> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>
> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
> Michael
>

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[RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

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Folks, 
Want to give drop bars one more time on my homer. 

 Long background and context , I had drop bars set up TRP RRL but never got 
comfortable . But I think it had do more with the reach. I had around set 
back and 7 cm stem . Also I have short torso and long legs. I am 5'8.5 but 
have pbh of 86.5 . Out of curosity I tried Knee over pedal spindle with 
plumb bob. On my homer I had to set it up with zero set back and push 
saddle forward. ( interestingly same thing on my Atlantis translates to 
around 20 mm set back , didn't realize .5 degree change in seat tube could 
make such difference ). More importantly with  this saddle position it 
feels like my reach has significantly increased. I can comfortably reach 6 
-7 cm beyond hooks of albatross set up on 100 mm Nitto faceplater. So I am 
thinking of trying 52 cm noodles with 7cm stem. 

I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used both? 
Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the upgrade 
worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to the 
reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking 
performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price. 

I would really appreciate your experience and insights. Happy weekend !

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[RBW] Re: FS: spring cleaning!

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Do you still have noodles by any chance ?
On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 7:44:39 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> *52cm Nitto Noodle (Mod. 177) - 26.0 — $90*
>
>- Mounted for a week or so, then taken off. Basically new but there's 
>residue from the standard newbaum/shellac combo here at Riv.
>
> *Panaracer GravelKing Slick, BROWNwall, folding 700x38 — $80*
>
>- Used for one 25 mile ride.
>
> *Velocity A23 rims, Silver, 700/NMSW — $120*
>
>- Purchased in 2012 and sat around ever since, was told it was built 
>and then unbuilt. Looks basically new to my eyes but will ask Rich to 
>double-check if there's any interest. 
>
> *Thomson Elite Setback, Black/27.2/330mm — $45*
>
>- Looked like a well-used post before I got it. Used for 250-ish miles 
>with no issues.
>
> *Paul Shimano Thumbies, Silver, 22.2 — $95*
> *Shimano Dura Ace 11spd bar end shifters — $95*
> *SOLD - Brooks C17 Carved — $80*
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 5:19:13 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> Shipping not included, but free if picked up in Oakland or at Rivendell. 
>> Venmo preferred.
>>
>> Most items are like-new, unless otherwise noted. Will try to get photos 
>> up on Wednesday.
>>
>> *52cm Nitto Noodle (Mod. 177) - 26.0 — $90*
>>
>>- Mounted for a week or so, then taken off. Basically new but there's 
>>residue from the standard newbaum/shellac combo here at Riv.
>>
>> *Panaracer GravelKing Slick, BROWNwall, folding 700x38 — $80*
>>
>>- Used for one 25 mile ride.
>>
>> *Velocity A23 rims, Silver, 700/NMSW — $120*
>>
>>- Purchased in 2012 and sat around ever since, was told it was built 
>>and then unbuilt. Looks basically new to my eyes but will ask Rich to 
>>double-check if there's any interest. 
>>
>> *Thomson Elite Setback, Black/27.2/330mm — $45*
>>
>>- Looked like a well-used post before I got it. Used for 250-ish 
>>miles with no issues.
>>
>> *Paul Shimano Thumbies, Silver, 22.2 — $95*
>> *Shimano Dura Ace 11spd bar end shifters — $95*
>> *Brooks C17 Carved — $80*
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 55 for sale

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Apologies everybody, didn't mean to spam. But the list let me attach only 
one photo at time. Happy to send more photos  over email. 

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:59:48 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0797.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

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The build and aesthetics are perfect! very well thought out. Enjoyed all 
the beautiful pics. Thanks for sharing

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:51:38 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Greetings fellow Rivendell Lovers!
>
> I’m happy to introduce to you my very first Rivendell, an Ana Purple 
> Platypus built up as my forever bike (#3). As someone who worked in bike 
> shops growing up with a current background as a designer and engineer, I 
> went all out with designing the optimal riding experience, crafting a 
> versatile bicycle intended to be ridden every day, and most importantly, to 
> be loved for life.
>
> [image: IMG_3263.JPG]
>
> I’ve never done a full “balleur” build before, and had a few intentions in 
> mind with this. Make it as lightweight as possible with zero compromises. 
> Embrace the Rivendell ethos of simplicity in the mechanical components. See 
> how versatile an upright bicycle can be not just for commuting, but both 
> supreme pleasure rides and also longer, more demanding routes. Make it 
> timeless, gorgeous, and utterly practical. 
>
> So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I’ve ridden it every day as my 
> primary vehicle since completion. Most look at the swoopy “cruiser” (as 
> many call it) handlebars and assume it is a pretty pleasure bike for brief, 
> simple rides. I explain to them the vibe is moreso *performance Cadillac,* 
> where rides from 20-30+ miles are done with ease and comfort. The 
> combination of the upright position, long chainstays, slightly slacker 
> headtube, luxurious touch points, and made in USA/japan mechanical 
> components result in a riding experience that can be playful, relaxed, 
> spirited, or *fast* all with a shift of a mindset and handlebar position. 
> I LOVE the contrast of performance with comfort, particularly as a stronger 
> rider. It is a delightful combination that is rare and overlooked, as most 
> upright bicycles feature low-end components or compromised geometry.
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 55 for sale

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I was not able to attach all the photos in original resolution. If 
interested, please email me for more pics. 

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:36 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have decided to sell my Atlantis to fund for Sam. I believe that this is 
> 2019 model. I am the second owner. The bike is excellent condition and may 
> be with normal wear and tear (See photo, no dents or scratches visible to 
> naked eyes). Also the original owner had seat tube reamed to 27.2. The only 
> reason I am selling is that for my weight and riding habits Sam would 
> probably suit me better and the new color is very tempting! Asking for 
> $1600 frame (I would like to keep all the components for Sam build) ,pre 
> shipping. I might be persuaded to sell cranks, we can discuss.  I am based 
> out of east bay, CA  and would prefer local sale. Now the big caveat! I 
> will only sell if the new Sam frame (54) is still available at the time of 
> sale! 
>
> thanks for looking. 
>
> [image: IMG_0797.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homer 6 months review and questions

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My Atlantis with chocolate moose is little slow steer compared to my homer 
. I love the moose for aesthetics and all the additional mount space . Is 
the slow steering function of handlebar , geometry , tires , headset ? Or 
all of the above .
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:30:39 AM UTC-7 divusi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not a bike designer, but the weight gain seems easy to understand. 
> Extending the chainstays for more wheelbase means having to beef up the 
> tubing. The trade-off for a "better" ride is more weight. In other words, 
> if you flatten out the traditional diamond frame shape, you need heavier 
> tubes to keep the same strength.
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 12:14:06 AM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have had my homer for 6 months . After lot of experimenting , obsessing 
>> qnd tweaking i am almost 99% there ( in the process I have a mini nitto 
>> shop with almost all variations of handlebars !which I will try to find a 
>> good home for when I get  to it ) . The more I tweak and better it 
>> gets,  more I obsesss , funny how that works !
>>
>> I love this bike ! It is super comfortable but yet super responsive in 
>> handling . I am invariably smiling and instantly in a good mood every time 
>> I ride it even if just for 10 minutes! 
>>
>> It feels super nimble and responsive compared to my Atlantis ( which is 
>> my first love and forever bike for different reasons ) and want to further 
>> differentiate between the two .So this brings me to my question 
>>
>>1. Compared to my Atlantis it weighs just 4 lbs less (28 vs 32 ) . 
>>How much of this handling difference is due to weight compared geometry 
>> and 
>>tubing stiffness ? I am also pretty light weight between 160-165 lbs so 
>>might be little more sensitive to weight changes on bike . 
>>2. If it’s weight ? Is it worth to chase some more weight savings ? I 
>>want to set it up as lightweight go around town for fun type of bike 
>> while 
>>Atlantis would do longer touring/hauling , trails etc. I am surprised 
>> when 
>>I see numbers close to 25lb or under . I have no racks or fenders , so 
>>where can those weight saving come from ? I am not willing to sacrifice 
>>comfort ( pedals and leather saddle ) and definitely not my kick stand 
>> :-) 
>>. Below is my current set up 
>>
>> Size : 54.5 
>>
>> Wheels : pacenti brevet with son28 dynamo and 
>>
>> Tires : RH squanomie pass standard (tubeless)
>>
>> Shimano hub ( I have realized the use case for dynamo for my riding is 
>> pretty limited so wouldn’t mind losing it ) .
>>
>> Crank : silver cranks 42-28 
>>
>> Brake set up : Paul racers and canti levers
>>
>> Cock pit : albatross bar , nitto talux stem .
>>
>>
>> Appreciate your thoughts !
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS- Nitto Handlebar, stems and seat post ** Further Price Drop **

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This is what is remaining. I have further reduced price on few items.

Handlebars

   1. Nitto Bosco - 55 CM CroMo : $50 (Installed and used less than 10 
   miles) 
   2. Nitto Losco - 54 CM * 25.4: $80 (Installed and used less than 50 
   miles) 
   3. Passchier Gump Bambo - 760 *31.8  : $180  Installed and used less 
   than 10 miles) - very nice and comfy , really absorbs tiny vibrations of 
   road but the sweep didn’t work for me. I have realized I like sweeps 
   similar to choco. Read bike snobs review here (
   https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/01/13/bamboo-you/) 
   4. Nitto Choco Moose - $160 :  (Installed and used less than 50 miles). 
   Currently on my Atlantis. I love this ! And what actually introduced me to 
   Choco which I think I really like, but doesn’t work with my stem bag. Using 
   the funds from sale to switch to regular Choco 
   5. Nitto M151  46 * 26.0  - $50: Functionally similar to Noodle but 
   shorter reach. (installed and used less than 50 miles) 

 

Stem 

 

   1. Nitto Tallux 70 mm *26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 10 miles) 

 

Seatpost

Nitto S92 Zero Setback seat post $70  -(Installed and used less than 10 
miles)

 

Brake Lever

 

Gran Compe Brake Lever Set GC202H Brown Hood - $40 (Installed and used less 
than 10 miles)

 

Rack 

Soma Rack Champs-Elysees Stainless Rear - $90 (Installed and used less than 
50 miles)

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 8:03:36 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am clearing my stack of handlebars , stems and posts  and hoping to find 
> a good home for these. I finally settled on handlebars and stems that I 
> like. The price doesn’t include shipping. I am based out of *Danville, CA* 
> if anyone is interested in local pick up. Handlebars might have some minor 
> scuff from install and bar tape residue that I can clean up before 
> shipping. Happy to send photos if interested, PM me
>
>  
>
> Handlebars
>
>1. Nitto Bosco - 55 CM CroMo : $60 (Installed and used less than 10 
>miles) 
>2. Nitto Bull bar - 70 * 31.8  : $100 (Installed and used less than 10 
>miles) 
>3. Nitto Losco - 54 CM * 25.4: $90 (Installed and used less than 50 
>miles) 
>4. Passchier Gump Bambo - 760 *31.8  : $200  Installed and used less 
>than 10 miles) - very nice and comfy , really absorbs tiny vibrations of 
>road but the sweep didn’t work for me. I have realized I like sweeps 
>similar to choco. Read bike snobs review here (
>https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/01/13/bamboo-you/) 
>5. Nitto Choco Moose - $180 :  (Installed and used less than 50 
>miles). Currently on my Atlantis. I love this ! And what actually 
>introduced me to Choco which I think I really like, but doesn’t work with 
>my stem bag. Using the funds from sale to switch to regular Choco 
>6. Nitto Albatross - $60 : My second favorite, currently on my homer 
>.  Using funds to switch to choco. Most used may be 700 miles. Scuffs from 
>install and brake lever swaps but functions as it should. 
>7. Nitto M151  46 * 26.0  - $50: Functionally similar to Noodle but 
>shorter reach. (installed and used less than 50 miles) 
>
>  
>
> Stem 
>
>  
>
>1. Nitto Tallux 70 mm *26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 10 
>miles) 
>2. Nitto Tallux 50 mm *26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 10 
>miles) 
>3. Nitto Tallux 120 Mm * 26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 50 
>miles) 
>
>  
>
> Seatpost
>
> Nitto S92 Zero Setback seat post $80  -(Installed and used less than 10 
> miles)
>
>  
>
> Brake Lever
>
>  
>
> Gran Compe Brake Lever Set GC202H Brown Hood - $50 (Installed and used 
> less than 10 miles)
>
>  
>
> Rack 
>
> Soma Rack Champs-Elysees Stainless Rear - $100 (Installed and used less 
> than 50 miles)
>

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Re: [RBW] Homer 6 months review and questions

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Wow thanks for the detailed response Max!
I am still on the fence with  dyno and lights ; along with that , seat post 
(may be Thompson masterpiece )  and cassette I think I can shave off 
another 2lbs without sacrificing on comfort/utility. But still debating 
about it.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 8:10:32 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Well, I made the mistake of purchasing a fish scale and weighing my bikes 
> recently... The lightest I had was ~20 lbs, fixed gear at that, and there I 
> was thinking it was crazy light. But they are all ~ 59 cm frames and 
> threaded steerer forks with tall stems, fattish tires, and no krazy karbon 
> bits (even the pair of carbon wheels I have are super deep and weigh ~1,500 
> g). Guess what – my fastest times up some local "climbs" are on the 
> lightest of my bikes, especially when I am running the aero wheels. No 
> surprises there. The nicest "feeling" bike is my fixed gear – until the 
> week that a dirt road gets re-graded, and then the skinny 30 mm tires make 
> it a bit too... under-bikey. An
>
> Anyhow, I think it's fun to consider what weight savings can be obtained. 
> People have almost always made the mistake of conflating safety with weight 
> or comfort with weight or reliability with weight. If you read Henry Ford's 
> biography, he talks about this quite a bit, and one of the greatest things 
> he accomplished for breaking that conventional trade-off was to use 
> lighter, yet stronger steel alloys. The cars got lighter, they became more 
> reliable, less expensive to operate, etc. Much the same thing happened when 
> people started drawing lightweight steel tubes for bicycles – using 
> heavier-walled gas pipe does nothing to help your bike be more enjoyable, 
> comfortable, or reliable. Same with pneumatic tires – lighter weight, more 
> comfort than solid rubber tires. 
>
> So, let's consider the extra weight carried by some of the "comfort / 
> utility" driven components and decide if it's worth it... Some ballpark 
> numbers, give or take: 
>
> Kickstand – 0.5 lb to take it off – I rarely find kickstands increasing my 
> enjoyment of cycling. 
> Tires – 0.3 lbs for lighter (35 mm) tires – lightweight tires *can* be 
> more comfortable and faster rolling!
> Dyno – 0.6 lb to switch to regular front hub – hey, 3-10 watt savings in 
> drag right there! 
> Lights – 0.5 lb to switch to battery powered LEDs – same brightness, less 
> weight, less bulk, occasional charging, why not? 
> Bars – 0.5 lb to switch to lighter (e.g., straight bar) – some people find 
> non-sweepy bars more comfortable, believe it or not! 
> Saddle – 1 lb to switch to modern plastic / carbon saddle – some modern 
> saddles are remarkably good! 
> Seatpost – 0.25 lb for lighter options – as long as it doesn't brake and 
> puts your saddle in the right position... 
> Cranks – 0.5-1 lb to switch to lighter crank & bb (e.g., SRAM Red) – it 
> just works. 
> Cassette & Derailleur – 0.5-1 lb differential for some combos – lighter 
> bike, now you can pedal bigger gears for those hills! 
> Everything else on a "diet" (brakes, headset, bell, skewers, levers, 
> shifters, etc.) can be futzed with to get another pound. 
>
> So, I think you can get things lighter weight, down to about 24 lbs, with 
> those substitutions, and it wouldn't even cost you any net extra, if you 
> sell the items you substitute – may even come out cash positive. William 
> Lindsey has a thread about making his Legolas sub-20 lbs with conventional 
> components. The only real difference from his build and what the above 
> substitutions would produce is that the Legolas frame & fork & stem combo 
> would shave ~2-3 lbs more of yours. 
>
> But just having lighter and skinnier tires will make it feel a lot 
> sprightlier. 
>
> - Max "going fast is also fun!" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>>
>> I often wonder how much of my lightening up project (I only did what was 
>> practical) that brought me so much more joy in riding was that I got better 
>> rims and tires, so the bike just rode better.  Many people in my original 
>> thread pointed that out.  I'm still glad I did the full project, but none 
>> of us here are weight weenies--we ride Rivs, happily, after all.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 5:49:06 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice!  I had the same thing happen with the Nitto parts bin :) 
>>>
>>> Weight plays a surprisingly small part of the experience of riding a 
>>> lighter bike. Most of the benefit of the lighter tubing is how it performs 
>>> due to the thinner wall thickness (resulting in a "snappy" feel from light 
>>> flexing), and the geometry differences between the two. The few ounces 
>>> saved in the process are quite secondary. 
>>>
>>> That said, the same logic tends to apply to other parts - even though 
>>> the mass difference might not do a lot by itself, it can result in a 
>>> quicker action (ie a derailleur with

Re: [RBW] Homer 6 months review and questions

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Bingo! Well said. I think what I am chasing is the handling or response on 
my homer. The actual weight I don't really care much.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:49:06 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Very nice!  I had the same thing happen with the Nitto parts bin :) 
>
> Weight plays a surprisingly small part of the experience of riding a 
> lighter bike. Most of the benefit of the lighter tubing is how it performs 
> due to the thinner wall thickness (resulting in a "snappy" feel from light 
> flexing), and the geometry differences between the two. The few ounces 
> saved in the process are quite secondary. 
>
> That said, the same logic tends to apply to other parts - even though the 
> mass difference might not do a lot by itself, it can result in a quicker 
> action (ie a derailleur with less inertia to its moving parts) or better 
> feel (ie less rotating mass in your wheels, reducing the gyroscopic effects 
> fighting your steering input) 
>
> On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 04:45:30 UTC-7 Steve Cole wrote:
>
>> Deepak,
>> What a wonderful ride.  I have both a Homer (Toyo) and an Atlantis (MIT). 
>>  I love them both.  First, I wonder whether the under-25 pounds figures you 
>> have seen are for Toyo (1st gen) or Waterford (2nd gen) Homers.  They had 
>> different geometry and used different tubes that may explain the gap 
>> between your 28# and the 25# yo've seen.  
>>
>> Second, I often think about replying to questions about how one might cut 
>> the weight of their bike but have never replied.  I strongly believe how 
>> one builds their bike, the components they select, should reflect its 
>> intended primary use.  If going as fast as you can (e.g., racing) is 
>> paramount, cutting weight without sacrificing strength, handling or safety 
>> is sensible.  On the other hand, as is the case for me, if you ride for 
>> exercise, fun and health, I can't think of a good reason to look for ways 
>> to pare the bike's weight.  How much bike/rider weight you push around, as 
>> Grant Peterson has noted, is mostly a reflection of the rider's weight even 
>> in your case. In addition, pushing around a  25# bike is a weight savings 
>> to you of only about 1.5% of total (bike+rider) weight.  While this is 
>> pretty negligible, the added weight should be better for health, strength, 
>> stamina, etc.  Not much better, I admit, but this thinking has stopped me 
>> from focusing on weight and not the joy of riding.
>>
>> I don't know whether this is any help. I hope so.
>> Steve Cole
>> Arlington, Virginia
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 5:19:01 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Your Homer looks perfect and I would second everything that Roberta has 
>>> just said.
>>> Looking at your build in that photo the only things you could lose 
>>> weight on are all utility comfort things. 
>>> The saddle, Dyno, kickstand and brass bell are all weight saving 
>>> opportunities but also things that I personally would consider 'worth the 
>>> weight'.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Homer 6 months review and questions

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Thanks Steve.  I really don't care about speed , I think the speed 
difference between my homer and atlantis at my level of fitness is probably 
0.5 miles / hr :P . I like the nimble handling of homer and super stable 
/smooth feeling of atlantis  (depending on my mood )

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:45:30 AM UTC-7 Steve Cole wrote:

> Deepak,
> What a wonderful ride.  I have both a Homer (Toyo) and an Atlantis (MIT). 
>  I love them both.  First, I wonder whether the under-25 pounds figures you 
> have seen are for Toyo (1st gen) or Waterford (2nd gen) Homers.  They had 
> different geometry and used different tubes that may explain the gap 
> between your 28# and the 25# yo've seen.  
>
> Second, I often think about replying to questions about how one might cut 
> the weight of their bike but have never replied.  I strongly believe how 
> one builds their bike, the components they select, should reflect its 
> intended primary use.  If going as fast as you can (e.g., racing) is 
> paramount, cutting weight without sacrificing strength, handling or safety 
> is sensible.  On the other hand, as is the case for me, if you ride for 
> exercise, fun and health, I can't think of a good reason to look for ways 
> to pare the bike's weight.  How much bike/rider weight you push around, as 
> Grant Peterson has noted, is mostly a reflection of the rider's weight even 
> in your case. In addition, pushing around a  25# bike is a weight savings 
> to you of only about 1.5% of total (bike+rider) weight.  While this is 
> pretty negligible, the added weight should be better for health, strength, 
> stamina, etc.  Not much better, I admit, but this thinking has stopped me 
> from focusing on weight and not the joy of riding.
>
> I don't know whether this is any help. I hope so.
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, Virginia
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 5:19:01 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Your Homer looks perfect and I would second everything that Roberta has 
>> just said.
>> Looking at your build in that photo the only things you could lose weight 
>> on are all utility comfort things. 
>> The saddle, Dyno, kickstand and brass bell are all weight saving 
>> opportunities but also things that I personally would consider 'worth the 
>> weight'.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Homer 6 months review and questions

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Thanks Brendonoid. I agree! Brooks saddle, brass bell and  kickstands makes 
the bike so much more fun and useful.  Though I am not using the dyno nmuch 
I think I will leave it alone. It always there when I need it

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:19:01 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Your Homer looks perfect and I would second everything that Roberta has 
> just said.
> Looking at your build in that photo the only things you could lose weight 
> on are all utility comfort things. 
> The saddle, Dyno, kickstand and brass bell are all weight saving 
> opportunities but also things that I personally would consider 'worth the 
> weight'.
>
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Re: [RBW] Homer 6 months review and questions

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Thanks Roberta. That was a very interesting read. How convinent are those 
kick stands? 

PS: I have choco moose on my Atlantis. I love them! It introduced me to 
chocos and I think they are my # favorites right now. But I am thinking of 
swapping to regular chocos as they dont play well with my stem bag. 


On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 1:55:04 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Deepak,
>
> Congratulations on your Homer/Atlantis combo. I had a Homer/Appaloosa 
> combo, with nearly the same setup (and same order of ownership), size and 
> impressions as as you. I think these two bikes complement each other well.  I 
> even did the lightening up process. I’m glad I did because it helped both 
> bikes ride better, yet still different from each other. Love the dynamo 
> lights and tubeless.  I rode both bikes equally.  You can read about it 
> here:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/pWpMrkiVUlk/m/eVByOom6CQAJ 
>  
>
> The only thing I changed after the project was that I put the original 
> choco moose handlebar back on th Appa, as that bar was the perfect bar for 
> me on that bike. 
>
> I’m still in love with my lively riding Homer but sold the Appaloosa to 
> have room for a Platypus. The decision to sell the Appaloosa rather than 
> Homer was that I don’t ride off-road or tour, not that I didn’t like it’s 
> smooth buttery ride. 
>
> Btw, bikes can lose a lot of weight for free with lighter saddles, smaller 
> bags, lighter or no fenders and racks. I have a 1.25 lb vs Nitto 2.5 lb 
> rack. I changed Flyer for Selle Anatomica. Banana sac vs Carradice bag. 
> Some items are worth the weight, like your  aforementioned kickstand—so 
> darn practical. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 12:15:22 AM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here is pic from my evening ride today :-)
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Cheers ,
>> Deepak
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 21:14, atreya...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have had my homer for 6 months . After lot of experimenting , obsessing 
>> qnd tweaking i am almost 99% there ( in the process I have a mini nitto 
>> shop with almost all variations of handlebars !which I will try to find a 
>> good home for when I get  to it ) . The more I tweak and better it 
>> gets,  more I obsesss , funny how that works !
>>
>> I love this bike ! It is super comfortable but yet super responsive in 
>> handling . I am invariably smiling and instantly in a good mood every time 
>> I ride it even if just for 10 minutes! 
>>
>> It feels super nimble and responsive compared to my Atlantis ( which is 
>> my first love and forever bike for different reasons ) and want to further 
>> differentiate between the two .So this brings me to my question 
>>
>>1. Compared to my Atlantis it weighs just 4 lbs less (28 vs 32 ) . 
>>How much of this handling difference is due to weight compared geometry 
>> and 
>>tubing stiffness ? I am also pretty light weight between 160-165 lbs so 
>>might be little more sensitive to weight changes on bike . 
>>2. If it’s weight ? Is it worth to chase some more weight savings ? I 
>>want to set it up as lightweight go around town for fun type of bike 
>> while 
>>Atlantis would do longer touring/hauling , trails etc. I am surprised 
>> when 
>>I see numbers close to 25lb or under . I have no racks or fenders , so 
>>where can those weight saving come from ? I am not willing to sacrifice 
>>comfort ( pedals and leather saddle ) and definitely not my kick stand 
>> :-) 
>>. Below is my current set up 
>>
>> Size : 54.5 
>>
>> Wheels : pacenti brevet with son28 dynamo and 
>>
>> Tires : RH squanomie pass standard (tubeless)
>>
>> Shimano hub ( I have realized the use case for dynamo for my riding is 
>> pretty limited so wouldn’t mind losing it ) .
>>
>> Crank : silver cranks 42-28 
>>
>> Brake set up : Paul racers and canti levers
>>
>> Cock pit : albatross bar , nitto talux stem .
>>
>>
>> Appreciate your thoughts !
>>
>>  
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[RBW] FS- Nitto Handlebar, stems and seat post

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Hi,

I am clearing my stack of handlebars , stems and posts  and hoping to find 
a good home for these. I finally settled on handlebars and stems that I 
like. The price doesn’t include shipping. I am based out of *Danville, CA* 
if anyone is interested in local pick up. Handlebars might have some minor 
scuff from install and bar tape residue that I can clean up before 
shipping. Happy to send photos if interested, PM me

 

Handlebars

   1. Nitto Bosco - 55 CM CroMo : $60 (Installed and used less than 10 
   miles) 
   2. Nitto Bull bar - 70 * 31.8  : $100 (Installed and used less than 10 
   miles) 
   3. Nitto Losco - 54 CM * 25.4: $90 (Installed and used less than 50 
   miles) 
   4. Passchier Gump Bambo - 760 *31.8  : $200  Installed and used less 
   than 10 miles) - very nice and comfy , really absorbs tiny vibrations of 
   road but the sweep didn’t work for me. I have realized I like sweeps 
   similar to choco. Read bike snobs review here (
   https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/01/13/bamboo-you/) 
   5. Nitto Choco Moose - $180 :  (Installed and used less than 50 miles). 
   Currently on my Atlantis. I love this ! And what actually introduced me to 
   Choco which I think I really like, but doesn’t work with my stem bag. Using 
   the funds from sale to switch to regular Choco 
   6. Nitto Albatross - $60 : My second favorite, currently on my homer .  
   Using funds to switch to choco. Most used may be 700 miles. Scuffs from 
   install and brake lever swaps but functions as it should. 
   7. Nitto M151  46 * 26.0  - $50: Functionally similar to Noodle but 
   shorter reach. (installed and used less than 50 miles) 

 

Stem 

 

   1. Nitto Tallux 70 mm *26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 10 miles) 
   2. Nitto Tallux 50 mm *26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 10 miles) 
   3. Nitto Tallux 120 Mm * 26.0 - $60 (Installed and used less than 50 
   miles) 

 

Seatpost

Nitto S92 Zero Setback seat post $80  -(Installed and used less than 10 
miles)

 

Brake Lever

 

Gran Compe Brake Lever Set GC202H Brown Hood - $50 (Installed and used less 
than 10 miles)

 

Rack 

Soma Rack Champs-Elysees Stainless Rear - $100 (Installed and used less 
than 50 miles)

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[RBW] Homer 6 months review and questions

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I have had my homer for 6 months . After lot of experimenting , obsessing 
qnd tweaking i am almost 99% there ( in the process I have a mini nitto 
shop with almost all variations of handlebars !which I will try to find a 
good home for when I get  to it ) . The more I tweak and better it 
gets,  more I obsesss , funny how that works !

I love this bike ! It is super comfortable but yet super responsive in 
handling . I am invariably smiling and instantly in a good mood every time 
I ride it even if just for 10 minutes! 

It feels super nimble and responsive compared to my Atlantis ( which is my 
first love and forever bike for different reasons ) and want to further 
differentiate between the two .So this brings me to my question 

   1. Compared to my Atlantis it weighs just 4 lbs less (28 vs 32 ) . How 
   much of this handling difference is due to weight compared geometry and 
   tubing stiffness ? I am also pretty light weight between 160-165 lbs so 
   might be little more sensitive to weight changes on bike . 
   2. If it’s weight ? Is it worth to chase some more weight savings ? I 
   want to set it up as lightweight go around town for fun type of bike while 
   Atlantis would do longer touring/hauling , trails etc. I am surprised when 
   I see numbers close to 25lb or under . I have no racks or fenders , so 
   where can those weight saving come from ? I am not willing to sacrifice 
   comfort ( pedals and leather saddle ) and definitely not my kick stand :-) 
   . Below is my current set up 

Size : 54.5 

Wheels : pacenti brevet with son28 dynamo and 

Tires : RH squanomie pass standard (tubeless)

Shimano hub ( I have realized the use case for dynamo for my riding is 
pretty limited so wouldn’t mind losing it ) .

Crank : silver cranks 42-28 

Brake set up : Paul racers and canti levers

Cock pit : albatross bar , nitto talux stem .


Appreciate your thoughts !

 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Double Cranks 42/26

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The item is now sold. Thanks for all your interest.
On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 12:31:20 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Hi Deepak,
> I've sent you an email.
> What length arms are the cranks? (This number will be stamped into the 
> back of each arm.)
> Thanks much,
> David dot Lipsky at Me dot com
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:47:27 AM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am seeing if I get any interest for my RH cranks currently on my homer. 
>> I reckon it has around 400 miles on it. I am hoping to sell it for $300 
>> excluding shipping. I am based out of east bay CA, so local pick up is fine 
>> as well. Outer ring is 42 and inner is 26
>>
>>
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/cranks/rh-double-crank/
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud saddles, Lugged seat post and Nitto Stem

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Update : saddle , saddle top and seat post is sold .
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:17:04 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Having issues uploading photos. Happy to send photos to interested buyers.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud saddles, Lugged seat post and Nitto Stem

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Having issues uploading photos. Happy to send photos to interested buyers.

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[RBW] FS: Berthoud saddles, Lugged seat post and Nitto Stem

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I am selling few stuff from my parts bin. The price quoted below excludes 
shipping. I am based out of Danville, CA (east bay) and open to pick up as 
well.

1. Berthoud Aravis Saddle (Titanium rails) - $200
Have used it for around 600 miles.  Still not totally broken in / conformed 
.Please see attached photos.

2. Berthoud Aravis/Aspin Cut out top in brow - $80
Used for less than 50 miles

3. Rivendell Lugged Seat Post - $100
Used for 6 months. Please note that the post has been knurled  to prevent 
seat post slipping. Fun fact : It was knurled by Grant himself when I was 
at HQ :) 

4. Losco handle bar 54 * 25.4 - $80
Used for <20 miles. Has some residue from bar tape (which I can clean up if 
requested)

5. Bosco Bar Cromo 55 *25.4 - $50
Used for  < 20 miles. 
 


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[RBW] Surly corner bars on rivbike

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Has anyone tried surly corner bars on homers . Currently I am running Paul 
racers center pull on my homer with trp rrl sr. The braking is good but not 
as grabby as my v brakes on Atlantis . Would using mountain bike brake 
levers like Paul canti with Paul racers make a difference in feel?

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[RBW] Re: Drop bar - Fit question

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Thanks Jeremyfordetailed response.I am usingb17. Though I also have GB 
Aspin. 
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 9:24:57 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> You also don't mention which saddle are you are using, which in my 
> experience is a key determinant in how much setback you need to achieve 
> through frame and seatpost setback. The Nitto Lugged post was developed by 
> Riv when most of their designs used a 72 degree seat angle, and some people 
> had trouble getting a Brooks B.17 far back enough to be well balanced and 
> comfortable. I've also seen it used to get Brooks saddles in a better 
> position on older steel road bikes with 73 degree or steeper seat angles. 
> Brooks leather saddles have very short usable rail adjustments which is 
> biased towards the rear of the saddle, meaning it can be hard to get it far 
> enough back on bikes with steeper seat angles. However, on the newer 
> Rivendells with slacker seat angles, like your Homer, the lugged post might 
> be overkill.
>
> Personally, I use a zero setback Thomson seatpost on my 59cm Clem H, 
> which, if I remember correctly, also has a 71.5 degree seattube. However, I 
> also use a WTB Pure saddle, which in my experience has a lot more 
> "built-in" setback--it's rails are longer, and more biased towards the 
> middle of the saddle, so I have no problem getting enough setback with that 
> post. If you're currently using a Brooks and the Nitto lugged post, you 
> might try one of the Nitto posts with a more moderate amount of setback 
> (the S65 or S83) before going to a zero setback. 
>
> After many years of trial and error and recently getting more precise 
> about the way I measure and set up my saddles, I've come to the conclusion 
> that I need a similar amount of setback whether I am sitting upright or 
> using drop bars. As others have said, it's best to figure out what that 
> setback is for you before adjusting the reach to the handlebars to get 
> comfortable. If you have another bike that on which you are basically 
> comfortable, measuring its setback and replicating it on your Homer 
> (assuming the same or similar saddles) might be a good starting point.  
>
> Also, setback should be adjusted in conjunction with saddle height. The 
> farther back your saddle is, the lower it should be to keep your leg 
> extension relatively constant. If you're experiencing tight hamstrings, 
> that might be part of it. I've heard fitters say the ratio is roughly 3:1, 
> that is, for every 3mm of increased saddle setback, the seat needs to come 
> down 1mm, and vice versa.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:24:22 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Group , need your thoughts on drop bar fit . I recently bought homer 
>> Hilsen ( most recent batch ) . I have short torso but long legs and arms . 
>> My height is 5’8.5 ish and pbh is 86.5. I have homer in 54.5 , which has tt 
>> of 57.5. I am running a short stem 50mm and nitto m151(75 mm reach) . I am 
>> also using nitto lugged seat post , which I understand has a lot of set 
>> back.The reach seems to be working fine , however I do find my hamstrings 
>> are getting taxed way more than I like compared to my quads especially on 
>> climbs in the saddle . My understanding is that homer has a slack seat tube 
>> angle of 71.5. Will running a zero set back seatpost help ? Has anybody run 
>> zero setback posts on rivs. I understand that general recommendation is to 
>> have more set back .
>>
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[RBW] Re: Drop bar - Fit question

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Forgot to mention , the current set up described in my original post I do 
have the saddle all the way forward.

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Before swapping the post, have you tried sliding the saddle all the way 
> forward on the lugged seatpost and trying that? 
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 2:44:06 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Dang it, I wish there was a way to edit these things. I'd swap the post 
>> first and see what you think. You may end up happy with the reach without 
>> changing anything else. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 11:39:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Since no one with more knowledge than dumb-old me has answered yet: I 
>>> don't know anything about hamstrings and quads but I do know that is indeed 
>>> a very setback post you're using on a rather slack seattube. Considering 
>>> that you're also using a short stem I think you could keep your current 
>>> reach by shifting your whole body forward. Maybe not a zero-setback post, 
>>> I'm thinking a Nitto S65 post and 7cm stem.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:24:22 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Group , need your thoughts on drop bar fit . I recently bought homer 
>>>> Hilsen ( most recent batch ) . I have short torso but long legs and arms . 
>>>> My height is 5’8.5 ish and pbh is 86.5. I have homer in 54.5 , which has 
>>>> tt 
>>>> of 57.5. I am running a short stem 50mm and nitto m151(75 mm reach) . I am 
>>>> also using nitto lugged seat post , which I understand has a lot of set 
>>>> back.The reach seems to be working fine , however I do find my hamstrings 
>>>> are getting taxed way more than I like compared to my quads especially on 
>>>> climbs in the saddle . My understanding is that homer has a slack seat 
>>>> tube 
>>>> angle of 71.5. Will running a zero set back seatpost help ? Has anybody 
>>>> run 
>>>> zero setback posts on rivs. I understand that general recommendation is to 
>>>> have more set back .
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Drop bar - Fit question

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Group , need your thoughts on drop bar fit . I recently bought homer Hilsen 
( most recent batch ) . I have short torso but long legs and arms . My 
height is 5’8.5 ish and pbh is 86.5. I have homer in 54.5 , which has tt of 
57.5. I am running a short stem 50mm and nitto m151(75 mm reach) . I am 
also using nitto lugged seat post , which I understand has a lot of set 
back.The reach seems to be working fine , however I do find my hamstrings 
are getting taxed way more than I like compared to my quads especially on 
climbs in the saddle . My understanding is that homer has a slack seat tube 
angle of 71.5. Will running a zero set back seatpost help ? Has anybody run 
zero setback posts on rivs. I understand that general recommendation is to 
have more set back .

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[RBW] FS: Noodles, Losco, Grancompe Non Aero Brake lever, Shimano 105 FD

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I am clearing up some of my barely used components. The price quoted 
excludes shipping. Buyer pays for the shipping. 



   1. Nitto Losco bar - 54cm x 25.4 (B614AA)(used less than 30 miles) - $90 
   2. Nitto Noodle - 56 CM - $90 (used less than 30 miles) 
   3. Gran Compe 202 Non-Aero Brake Levers, Drilled brake lever (used less 
   than 30 miles ) - $50 
   4. Stem - Nitto Tallux - 25.4mm / 10cm (used around 400 miles) - $50 
   5. Shimano 105 FD Bottom Pull Clamp on ( Used for around 200 miles) - $30 


I am based out of East Bay, California so local pick up is fine as well.


Thanks,

Deepak

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

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Will beat me to it !!
Here is the link to gallery of my bike , in case you missed Will's email 
update.

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/deepaks-54-5cm-homer?mc_cid=3ccbea4dfa&mc_eid=e5cf5c56ab
On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> The color in person is truly amazing . I think it’s much deeper and richer 
> blue than the previous one . My jpeg shot from the camera is highly 
> stylized and does not represent the color accurately . I will post 
> additional pictures later this week .
>
> Calvin,
> Yes they are berthoud saddle - aspin model. They worked well with 
> albatross bar on my Atlantis but are great with drop bars on homers! . I 
> think with more upright position you are probably better off with 
> Berthoud’s wider model or brooks b17. I personally could never get along 
> well with brooks b17 ; no matter how I angled the saddle I would either 
> feel like I am sliding off or start hurting .
>
> Cheers ,
> Deepak
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:59 Calvin Yolo  wrote:
>
> Amazing looking ride! Is that a Berthoud saddle? I am debating if I want 
>> to give up my Brooks for a natural Berthoud, but don't know many people who 
>> ride it.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:33:01 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow that bike is gorgeous! That new shade of blue looks amazing! Well 
>>> done!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:25:10 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for inputs to my components and build . Picked up my 
>>>> bike today and it exceeds my expectations ! Here are some quick pics with 
>>>> Grant and James , who built my bike . My initial impression base on around 
>>>> 15 mile ride back home is that it’s sublime ! The set up is just perfect . 
>>>> I might lower the bar a little  above saddle or at saddle height , just 
>>>> for 
>>>> the ride back home I jacked it up to max . 
>>>>  I will post detailed pictures and impressions shortly .
>>>>
>>>> Thanks 
>>>> Cheers ,
>>>> Deepak
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 08:10, Calvin Yolo  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Here's some more details on the parts list: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Velocity Quill with SON/VO rear hub to RH Baby Shoe Pass (measures 
>>>> 40mm) - went tubeless this time around
>>>> Pass & stow rack with a Edelux II mounted on it
>>>> 10 speed Shimano 105 rd-5700 + fd-5700 + cs-5700 (11-28) 
>>>> Silver cranks low/low (34/24)
>>>> Shimano SL-BS79 10-speed shifters mounted on Paul thumbies
>>>> Paul Love Levers
>>>> Bosco bars + Nitto Tallux 120mm stem
>>>> Tektro R559 brakes
>>>> Copper Crane headset mounted bell
>>>> Forager Cycles cables cherries
>>>>
>>>> Notes: We barely made the rd-5700 work with the 34/24 chainring, 
>>>> there's only a few mm of clearance at the chain stay as shown in the pic 
>>>> below.
>>>> [image: CBE94B07-A268-43C2-B675-68721612E9D5-15002-117ABD907430 
>>>> Large.jpeg]
>>>> [image: 2FA4A8FE-AFEA-407F-92E6-E9B84F784EC3-15002-117AAFE46887 
>>>> Large.jpeg]
>>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:41:47 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously gorgeous build Calvin.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

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Forgot to mention that I think the biggest adavantage of Berthoud is 
it’sset serviceable . It is very easy to replace the top. I initially had a 
top with cut out that I replaced with solid . 

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> The color in person is truly amazing . I think it’s much deeper and richer 
> blue than the previous one . My jpeg shot from the camera is highly 
> stylized and does not represent the color accurately . I will post 
> additional pictures later this week .
>
> Calvin,
> Yes they are berthoud saddle - aspin model. They worked well with 
> albatross bar on my Atlantis but are great with drop bars on homers! . I 
> think with more upright position you are probably better off with 
> Berthoud’s wider model or brooks b17. I personally could never get along 
> well with brooks b17 ; no matter how I angled the saddle I would either 
> feel like I am sliding off or start hurting .
>
> Cheers ,
> Deepak
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:59 Calvin Yolo  wrote:
>
> Amazing looking ride! Is that a Berthoud saddle? I am debating if I want 
>> to give up my Brooks for a natural Berthoud, but don't know many people who 
>> ride it.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:33:01 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow that bike is gorgeous! That new shade of blue looks amazing! Well 
>>> done!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:25:10 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for inputs to my components and build . Picked up my 
>>>> bike today and it exceeds my expectations ! Here are some quick pics with 
>>>> Grant and James , who built my bike . My initial impression base on around 
>>>> 15 mile ride back home is that it’s sublime ! The set up is just perfect . 
>>>> I might lower the bar a little  above saddle or at saddle height , just 
>>>> for 
>>>> the ride back home I jacked it up to max . 
>>>>  I will post detailed pictures and impressions shortly .
>>>>
>>>> Thanks 
>>>> Cheers ,
>>>> Deepak
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 08:10, Calvin Yolo  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Here's some more details on the parts list: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Velocity Quill with SON/VO rear hub to RH Baby Shoe Pass (measures 
>>>> 40mm) - went tubeless this time around
>>>> Pass & stow rack with a Edelux II mounted on it
>>>> 10 speed Shimano 105 rd-5700 + fd-5700 + cs-5700 (11-28) 
>>>> Silver cranks low/low (34/24)
>>>> Shimano SL-BS79 10-speed shifters mounted on Paul thumbies
>>>> Paul Love Levers
>>>> Bosco bars + Nitto Tallux 120mm stem
>>>> Tektro R559 brakes
>>>> Copper Crane headset mounted bell
>>>> Forager Cycles cables cherries
>>>>
>>>> Notes: We barely made the rd-5700 work with the 34/24 chainring, 
>>>> there's only a few mm of clearance at the chain stay as shown in the pic 
>>>> below.
>>>> [image: CBE94B07-A268-43C2-B675-68721612E9D5-15002-117ABD907430 
>>>> Large.jpeg]
>>>> [image: 2FA4A8FE-AFEA-407F-92E6-E9B84F784EC3-15002-117AAFE46887 
>>>> Large.jpeg]
>>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:41:47 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously gorgeous build Calvin.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

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Calvin,
Looks like ithe brakes are Paul Racers, wanted to confirm . Also , what 
size tires are you running ?
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:14:19 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congratulations Calvin. Your bike looks amazing. Ride in good health .
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 08:41 Calvin Yolo  wrote:
>
>> Here's my Homer from this latest batch. Decided to go with Velocity Quill 
>> instead of Brevets, and used my old 10 speed Shimano 105 derailleurs for 
>> this build. 34/24 up front and 11-28 in the back makes for some pretty fun 
>> riding. 
>>
>> Riv mentioned something different about the paint, more luster or 
>> something. I'd have to agree with them on that. The color of this bike is 
>> phenomenal.
>> [image: 6493664D-164F-4111-BAE3-4E2AF7C8FCAC-15002-117AA43B2E39 
>> Large.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

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Thanks so much for all the inputs . It was very helpful. I will start of 
with downtube for front and bar end for rear, so that I get a feel for what 
works  and a later point convert if need be . I am planning to route cable 
housing for barends outside the handle bar wrap , may be secure it using 
twine . I am also doing non aero brake levers ; so this should save me from 
re-wrapping while I settle on final configuration.

Thanks,
Deepak 

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 11:21:17 AM UTC-8 steve wrote:

> I guess I’m not the only one still using Inolights!
>
>
> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:11:48 AM UTC-5 KenP wrote:
>
>> I have tried four ways.  I like thumb shifters the best on upright bars 
>> because my hands are usually on the grips and there is immediate reach.  
>> The second choice for upright bars are the bar ends which are close at 
>> hand.  This is important because when I used down tube shifters and had to 
>> stop very quickly I have ended up in a too tall gear on startup.  When I 
>> have tried to downshift first, I have almost missed the traffic stoplight.  
>> It's not too difficult to remove the grips to change upright bars. For the 
>> wrapped drop bars I find I prefer the stem mount solution and have learned 
>> to reach them quickly.  That has made bar swap easier and gives me room to 
>> put a bar end mirror.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
>>> build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
>>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
>>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
>>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
>>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
>>> groups thoughts and experience.
>>
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[RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

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I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. I 
like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
“inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
groups thoughts and experience.

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Re: [RBW] Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

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Thanks everyone one for the suggestions. I have yellow + amber on my 
Atlantis which I do like a lot. This time around I am leaning towards white 
+ amber (just slightly different). Will post the picture of the final 
build!. Homers should be in anytime now. The wait is agonizing yet 
wonderful! :)

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:33:33 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like Rich's idea! Yellow or white tape with amber shellac looks great. 
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Deepak,
>>
>> Try yellow bar tape + amber shellac. Here is an in-progress image of just 
>> that with five coats of amber. I used the same combination on a previously 
>> owned Homer. Looks very nice paired with Homer blue. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>   
>>
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:13:29 AM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric for your inputs . I might just go with white bar tape and 
>>> amber shellac ( classic French constructeurs style ) to add little warmth 
>>> to homer blue. If anyone else any other ideas or combination that works 
>>> well with Homer let me know . 
>>>
>>> Cheers ,
>>> Deepak
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:28, atreya...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried cloth bar tape and shellac combination to get close to 
>>> the cream details on Rivendell. I am thinking of these two options
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. White + Clear shellac : I am assuming that clear shellac will 
>>> slightly tint the white 
>>> 2. Viva toshi off-white tape + clear shellac.
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried any of these combinations? What was the result ? If you 
>>> have pics would be great  !
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Deepak
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[RBW] Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

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Has anyone tried cloth bar tape and shellac combination to get close to the 
cream details on Rivendell. I am thinking of these two options

1. White + Clear shellac : I am assuming that clear shellac will slightly 
tint the white 
2. Viva toshi off-white tape + clear shellac.

Has anyone tried any of these combinations? What was the result ? If you 
have pics would be great  !

Thanks,
Deepak

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

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Wow! I could just keep staring at those bikes forever. Very interesting 
placement of shifters. Looks like a good compromise between aesthetics and 
comfort . Are those stem mounts?

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:01:02 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> The are the Weinmanns with Cane Creek hoods:
> [image: IMG_0032 (2).JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 12:21:29 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow Liang! That's a very pretty bike. Those levers do look damn good! Now 
>> I have to decide between ergo and looks.  I keep hearing great thing about 
>> TRP RRLs but definitely prefer the looks of non aero levers...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have the drilled VO versions on my Frank Jones SR on traditional Maes 
>>> Bend Nittos. I went with NOS Weinmanns on my Custom because the are wider 
>>> (on Randonneur bars).
>>> [image: IMG_1754 (3).JPG]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had the Velo-Orange version on a build. ( 
>>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled
>>>>  
>>>> ).  They are very narrow, not at all like todays style of brake hood.  
>>>> They 
>>>> also seem to work best with drop bars with a traditional shape/bend rather 
>>>> than the modern styles.  Mounted further down on the bend rather than up 
>>>> towards the ramps.
>>>>
>>>> Not my bike but an example of traditional bar/brake lever.
>>>> [image: viner-special-professional-red-vintage-road-bike-1.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would 
>>>>> fit with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones 
>>>>> being thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare 
>>>>> snoqualmie , which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I got those final few paul racers online !
>>>>> I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
>>>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
>>>>>  
>>>>> . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these 
>>>>> ? 
>>>>> Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably 
>>>>> ? 
>>>>> I am not digging the looks of trp. 
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time. 
>>>>>>  Had to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 
>>>>>> 559s.  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The 
>>>>>> smooth treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down 
>>>>>> tube 
>>>>>> took a beating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame 
>>>>>>> purchase! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My thoughts: 
>>>>>>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires 
>>>>>>> run bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd 
>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>>>>>>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
>>>>>>> realized. 
>>>>>>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so 
>>>>>>> your Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>>>>>>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not 
>>>>>>> up on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that 
>>>>>>> Paul pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>>>>&

[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Wow Liang! That's a very pretty bike. Those levers do look damn good! Now I 
have to decide between ergo and looks.  I keep hearing great thing about 
TRP RRLs but definitely prefer the looks of non aero levers...

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I have the drilled VO versions on my Frank Jones SR on traditional Maes 
> Bend Nittos. I went with NOS Weinmanns on my Custom because the are wider 
> (on Randonneur bars).
> [image: IMG_1754 (3).JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I had the Velo-Orange version on a build. ( 
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled
>>  
>> ).  They are very narrow, not at all like todays style of brake hood.  They 
>> also seem to work best with drop bars with a traditional shape/bend rather 
>> than the modern styles.  Mounted further down on the bend rather than up 
>> towards the ramps.
>>
>> Not my bike but an example of traditional bar/brake lever.
>> [image: viner-special-professional-red-vintage-road-bike-1.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would fit 
>>> with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones being 
>>> thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare snoqualmie 
>>> , which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .
>>>
>>> I think I got those final few paul racers online !
>>> I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
>>>  
>>> . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these ? 
>>> Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably ? 
>>> I am not digging the looks of trp. 
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time. 
>>>>  Had to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 
>>>> 559s.  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The 
>>>> smooth treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down 
>>>> tube 
>>>> took a beating.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame 
>>>>> purchase! 
>>>>>
>>>>> My thoughts: 
>>>>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires 
>>>>> run bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd 
>>>>> be 
>>>>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>>>>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
>>>>> realized. 
>>>>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
>>>>> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>>>>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not 
>>>>> up on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that 
>>>>> Paul pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>>>>>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>>>>>> RH Oracle ridge
>>>>>> Shimano nexave RD
>>>>>> RH 42-26 cranks
>>>>>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>>>>>> Silver bar end shifters
>>>>>> Nitto noodle bars
>>>>>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>>>>>> TRP rrl brake levers
>>>>>> Paul components racers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you 
>>>>>> have ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

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Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would fit 
with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones being 
thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare snoqualmie 
, which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .

I think I got those final few paul racers online !
I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
 
. Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these ? 
Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably ? 
I am not digging the looks of trp. 
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time.  Had 
> to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 559s. 
>  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The smooth 
> treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down tube took a 
> beating.
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame purchase! 
>>
>> My thoughts: 
>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires run 
>> bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd be 
>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
>> realized. 
>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
>> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not up 
>> on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that Paul 
>> pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>>
>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>>
>>>
>>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>>> RH Oracle ridge
>>> Shimano nexave RD
>>> RH 42-26 cranks
>>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>>> Silver bar end shifters
>>> Nitto noodle bars
>>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>>> TRP rrl brake levers
>>> Paul components racers
>>>
>>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
>>> ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

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Have you considered Pacenti Brevet? I also pre-ordered homer and Rich 
recommended them to me. I am going to set it up tubeless with 48 mm RH 
Oracle Ridge. 
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:18:39 AM UTC-8 John G. wrote:

> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>
> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
> crank? 
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with 650b 
>> tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with 700c 
>> tires and downtube bosses? 
>>
>> Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,  the 
>> 58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an 
>> otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very 
>> tempted by the newer frame. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oooops, 2019 specs.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
 standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the 
 Bleriot 
 may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   

 On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of 
> a big geo chart written on cardboard. 
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been 
>> cleared of charts and says...
>>
>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call 
>> us with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>
>> -will"
>>
>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 
>>> 2019.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem 
> on the 
> way...
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy 
>> if I 
>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

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Hi Liang,
Have you considered Pacenti Brevet? I also pre-ordered homer and Rich 
recommended them to me. I am going to set it up tubeless with 48 mm RH 
Oracle Ridge. 

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:43:50 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? - Neither - Quills are lighter and take a wider 
> tire and are supposed to be stronger than A23s.
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-5 John G. wrote:
>
>> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
>> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
>> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
>> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
>> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
>> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
>> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
>> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>>
>> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
>> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
>> crank? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel size on MIT Homer 58

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Thanks so much for the response folks. My original was delayed in showing 
up. After the new update I was sized at 54.5. Pre-ordered one and I am 
super excited. Now comes the tough but fun part of waiting for the frame 
and obsessing over the components !

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:18:54 AM UTC-8 jtallman wrote:

> The webpage says 700c.
>
> Jon
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 12:33:36 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the wheel size on 58 homers 700C or 650B? The homer 
>> webpage on rivbike states 700 but geometry chart seems to suggest 650b . I 
>> think the geometry chart might be outdated but just wanted to confirm .
>
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[RBW] Upcoming AAH -build

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Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off ideas 
on the components planned for the build. Here is my list


Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
RH Oracle ridge
Shimano nexave RD
RH 42-26 cranks
11-36 9speed cassette 
Silver bar end shifters
Nitto noodle bars
Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
TRP rrl brake levers
Paul components racers

What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
ordered one too how are you building it ?






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[RBW] Wheel size on MIT Homer 58

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Does anyone know if the wheel size on 58 homers 700C or 650B? The homer 
webpage on rivbike states 700 but geometry chart seems to suggest 650b . I 
think the geometry chart might be outdated but just wanted to confirm .

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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

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I would also check the tension the D-ring . I typically start tightening 
all the way , put the shifter under max tension and start loosening it 
until it barely holds it in that position. I have found that this gives me 
the right balance of tension. 

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:22:33 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
>> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
>> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
>> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>
>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
>> time.
>>
>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
>> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
>> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
>> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
>> things).
>>
>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
>> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>
>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

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