Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[brizbarn]

I started with SimWorks Little Nick bars with a 80mm 7 shaped stem on my 
Appaloosa. Decided to try Billie bars after a few months just to see if I 
would like a more upright position.  For me, they felt too upright, and 
made pedaling hard / standing up to climb feel awkward. I put the SimWorks 
bars back, but changed to a Nitto Periscopa stem and have been happy with 
that. 

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 5:30:11 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> I clearly too WAY too long pondering my response, Garth nailed it here 
> IMHO...
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 4:27 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Now that I see Ted's bike the picture is more clear. the VO bars are the 
>> Grand Randonneur version which is markedly different from the Nouveau 
>> version.  The difference in reach is 35mm, 120mm down to 85mm. I was going 
>> to mention this but I assumed you had the Nouveau version. That bar or one 
>> like it, as there are many shorter reach and relatively normal looking drop 
>> bars these days, plus a bit more narrow width @46cm(hoods) may be enough 
>> without a different stem. The Salsa Cowbell, Zipp Service Course 70 XPLR, 
>> and some Ritchey versions come to mind as having 68-70mm reach and very 
>> slight flares. 
>>
>> see here : https://bikepacking.com/index/gravel-bars/ 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sail to the trail

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That sounds and looks like an awesome time!  I recently took a ferry to 
Orcas Island in the San Jaun Islands of Washington.  Had my BMX and my Riv 
(in van).  Mostly rode the skatepark out there with friends, but rode the 
Riv around the campground too.  I'd like to go back and instead get on the 
ferry with just my Riv (no van) and do some touring. 

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:27:25 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I thought y'all might dig this overnighter I went on on Memorial Day 
> weekend. We loaded the bikes on to my friends' sailboats and boated to the 
> a cove along the Karst Loop at Hobbs State Park here in northwest Arkansas. 
> We spent the afternoon anchored in the cove, swimming and hanging out. We 
> cooked a feast for dinner on the grills on their boat and slept on the 
> boats. Then in the morning, we rafted the boats to shore, rode the 7.5 mile 
> IMBA epic trail, and eventually made our way back to the marina. It was a 
> fantastic trip with some great folks. Highly recommend combining biking and 
> boating if you get the chance.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> [image: 20230528_122416.jpg]
> [image: 20230529_085456.jpg][image: 20230529_091729.jpg][image: 
> 20230529_091745.jpg][image: 20230529_095831.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[brizbarn]

Thanks for the diagram Christian.  I'll give that a try when I get a rear 
light, just having a hard time wanting to spend 80 some dollars on a tiny 
rear light at the moment.

Nice set up Ted.  Looks similar to mine, I just skipped the a few steps. 
 It's working great for me so far.

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:20:25 AM UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:

> Hey Brizbarn,
>
> Correct, tail light should be powered through the appropoite connector on 
> the headlight. I believe the tail light has a lower power requirement than 
> what the dynamo provides. 
>
> I attached a diagram that is the same wiring scheme as my bike and what 
> your message discribes, its easier for me to understand if I draw it than 
> to write it out (electrical peeps, forgive me for the + and -). Sounds like 
> what you described would work though! You can pull those little red caps 
> off the ring terminals (loop crimp) and use heat shrink for a cleaner look. 
> The connections can be soldered or crimped in place. 
>
> Christian
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Hey Christian and Matthew, thanks for the posts.  Wow, that frame routing 
>> looks great Matthew, didn't realize you could go through the chain stay, 
>> good work.  I'm planning something very similar, but not sure I'll go 
>> through the frame.  B IQ-XS front light, B U, My, Mini (whatever it's 
>> called) rear, with Shutter Precision hub. 
>>
>> Some follow up Christian:  My understanding is that you should not power 
>> a rear light straight from the dynamo hub, but rather from the front light. 
>> Not sure if that is what you meant.  My thought was to use the existing 
>> spade connectors from front light (you can see in first pic), ground one of 
>> those to the front rack, and run one strand of Velo Lumino thin wire to 
>> rear light via the other spade connector.  Then connect it with a spade 
>> connector to the rear light, and ground the rear light to the frame (via a 
>> rack eyelet where I'll be mounting the light).  You said running two stands 
>> of Velo Lumino wire is more straight forward, but do you think my plan 
>> would work?
>> [image: IMG_0129.JPG] 
>> [image: IMG_0131.JPG]for reference: Left is Velo Lumino 22 wire. Right 
>> is B double strand. If I need to run two strands of Velo L wire from 
>> front to rear light, its not much thinner than running B double strand, 
>> just more pliable and better insulated is my understanding.
>> [image: IMG_0133.JPG]for reference in this pic: B double strand wire 
>> with spade connectors, two spade terminals, a banana connector, a loop 
>> crimp for grounding.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:46:41 PM UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Matthew, 
>>>
>>> I’m replying on my phone so apologies in advance for any typos or 
>>> non-standard formatting. 
>>>
>>> Running two wires to the taillight from the dynamo is probably the best 
>>> and loner straightforward way to do it. It’s a closed system and easy to 
>>> track down any issues if they arise. 
>>>
>>> I’m not sure which model B light you have but you can certainly try 
>>> grounding one side of the dynamo and one side of light to the fork and 
>>> frame respectively. I’ve heard the anodizing on some higher quality 
>>> cartridge bearing headsets (Chris King, etc) can prevent the continuity 
>>> between the fork and the frame. In the past folks have suggested removing 
>>> the anodization around the neck of the headset cup to allow current to pass 
>>> through. It’s easy to check for continuity between frame and fork; set a 
>>> multimeter to resistance (ohms) and touch one probe to bare metal on the 
>>> fork, and the other probe to bare metal on the frame (eyelet or dropout 
>>> works well). If the needle or number is close or on zero you shouldn’t have 
>>> a problem. If there’s no change in reading then you don’t have continuity, 
>>> probe around and start troubleshooting :)
>>>
>>> Splitting a single length of Velo Lumino wire into two and adding spade 
>>> terminals would not work, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean by the above. The Velo Lumino wire that I have is 
>>> a single strand. One of the headlight companies includes a two stranded 
>>> 22ga wire that can be split into single strands. The insulation on that 
>>> wire is less durable and larger in diameter making it difficult to pull 
>>> through small holes. One strand is black and the other is white, bare wire 
>>&g

Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[brizbarn]

Looking pretty darn tough with those new Mars tires on it.  Looks great 
either way tho.

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:06:12 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> A couple of pics from last week - Bombadil with new wheels (thanks Rich!) 
> and rubber (thanks Ron!) around the Fresh Pond in Cambridge, MA
>
> [image: IMG_0361.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_0362.jpeg]
>
> I'm still debating whether to keep the UD Mars on it or to move them to 
> another bike.
>
> Max
>
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 2:46:05 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:
>
>> The Hunqa is a 58, so more standover clearance for sure than the 60 Bomba 
>> (see below). I think they both max out at around 2.1 - 2.3" for tire width 
>> depending on your comfort of tightness.
>>
>> As for weight, I moved the Nitto 32 rack from the Hunqa to the Bomba, 
>> thinking that lighter might be more fun in rougher terrain, but they are 
>> both similar frames and not super heavy - at least not for me. The Bomba 
>> currently weighs around 43 pounds with racks, bags and double kickstand.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> [image: comp.jpg]
>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:05:41 AM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max!
>>>
>>> I love that you consider the sanity of shipping bars back and forth 
>>> across the country. Thank you for that.
>>> I have similar concerns with buying direct from Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> Oh I remember the confusion about the wheel size! And thats quite a 
>>> hefty thread there.
>>>
>>> I was in a similar boat as you before: multiple Rivs that were kind of 
>>> similar. I used the wrong solution: I sold one that I really regret.
>>> Ideally the bike with the most standover clearance (/lowest/slopest top 
>>> tube) also fits the widest tires and is maybe the heavier of the two bikes, 
>>> becomes the trail bike. It gets the widest tires, no fenders. Thats just my 
>>> thinking. And the other bigger-but-lighter bike gets the skinnier tires - I 
>>> like min 42 mm, max 2.1" (units ... sorry) 
>>> Consider the Maxxis Ikons 2.2" (or 2.35"?) for your wider tire. But 
>>> people really like the Thuderburts you already have.
>>> Maybe make the Bombadil and Atlantis as different as possible in how you 
>>> set them up.
>>>
>>> And enjoy!!
>>> -Matthew, San Diego - Kumeyaay Land 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matthew; the paint is really something! 

 It’s a 60 - take a look at the initial confusion I had before getting 
 it - here’s the thread: 
 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jK5Le9uiJ3E/m/mkygvvKuAAAJ

 It’s a 700 wheel size and I think 2.1” would be comfortable and 2.3” or 
 more would be ambitious, particularly with knobs.

 Following the Radavist’s bomba build, I had originally ordered MARS 
 2.3” from ultradynamico but I got the wrong size (650) before getting the 
 bike… I returned them but still wonder how that would handle/look like, so 
 I might reorder at some point - what tires you would you use?

 I’m lucky that I have a 58 Hunqapillar with 2.1” thunderburts and no 
 fenders as my hillibike, so I’m not in a hurry to make the change on the 
 Bombadil right now.

 The seller said he got it from Riv in 2016, based on the serial, I 
 think it was made in ‘09 which seems in line with the timeline of when 
 they 
 were being sold.

 I’ll keep you in mind if I decide to swap the bullmoose bars although 
 it seems silly to have these huge heavy bars shipped from Riv to the east 
 coast to have them shipped back to CA.

 Cheers!
 Max
 On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 AM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Hey there Max!
>
> I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a 
> reasonable price. I love that paint!
> What is the frame size and wheel size?
> I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide 
> can you go? You think about trying that?
> Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
> Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)
>
> Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!
>
> -Matthew P in San Diego
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare 
>> beast. It looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. 
>> It's not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the 
>> Bullmoose 
>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't 
>> ideal 
>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable 
>> for 
>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the 
>> Nullabar. 
>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Plea for help with photos

[brizbarn]

I've had some luck with clicking the picture icon (mountains), rather than 
the paper clip to post photos.  However, I can usually only post one or two 
photos max into each post.  If I try to post more photos in one posting, it 
tells me my message is too long and to try again.  I always prefer the 
photos being here in the conversation, rather than a link to somewhere 
else, so it would great to know how some people post a larger group of 
photos here in one conversation post.  I am using a MacBook pro usually, 
not an iPhone.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> When you say you create the link and "paste it" are you specifically 
> saying you "invite people" in google photos? I can copy the link but can't 
> "invite" rbw owners bunch.
>
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:04:56 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> For sure I can see it!
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:55:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Permit me to try this. I had an existing album in my Google photos app. 
>>> I was able to “copy link” & paste it here; can you see it?
>>>
>>> [image: 
>>> Y7zHoTXLwdayjp7XYedS6IWnpL43mQJymaeOZBBuMNFxGuB-4UWdOMJ0h1NMSSZoPbKNIoNeN_W28QchXfrv70ULpDUMhMZwB_mUgBRFTvpf40IIVgmSM7m4e684nLrtS67Fk3K5mw=w600-h315-p-k.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Gus! 
>>> app.goo.gl 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2023, at 3:50 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
>>> rmmose:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the thoughts. In my case, I create a link to my album but 
>>> can't share it because my phone (apple) doesn't recognize the riv owners 
>>> bunch. As in, it is not listed in my contacts, even though I added it to my 
>>> contacts. Make sense? Sort of?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi John. That is what I do. I create a Google photo album and then 
 paste a link to that album. A bigger frustration for me is not being able 
 to create a new post or “conversation” from my phone. I am sure there is a 
 good reason for this but I don’t get it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 24, 2023, at 1:30 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

 Hi Rivsters.


 I'm soliciting help in attaching photos to messages. In the past I have 
 used the paperclip to attach singular photos from my computer.

 Now, I'm thinking it should, theoretically, be easier to attach 
 multiple pictures by using google photos (which I've just installed on my 
 apple phone). I am under the impression I can create a link to my album 
 (selected photos only of course) and then "share" the link to the group 
 members.

 Am I getting this right? Any recommendations before I proceed further?

 Thanks all.

 John

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[brizbarn]

Christian, thanks for the pics and example.  I have some of the Velo Lumino 
wire.  With a a B light, would I need to run two wires to a rear B 
light?  Or do something similar to what you show in your pics, grounding to 
the frame on both the headlight and taillight ends, and just running one 
length of wire to the rear light?   Splitting a single length of Velo 
Lumino wire into two and adding spade terminals would not work, right?

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 9:57:03 AM UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:

> Hey Matthew, 
>
> Smaller wire is fine. The wire that Velo Lumino sells is perfect. Any 22  
> or 24gauge multistrand wire would work but the Velo Lumino wire is flexible 
> and has very durable insulation. You could also seperate the BM dual strand 
> wire. The insulation is thicker and less durable but works fine. 
>
> If the hole diameter is too small to pull two wires you can ground through 
> the frame. Ground one side of the dynamo to the fork eyelet 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xBqTJ575zxQkeUC49 then ground one side of the 
> light to the mount or other hard point 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wPGMviZF9n5cYycn6. Run a single wire through 
> the fork and connect to the light. 
>
> Hope that makes sense! I can draw up a diagram if thats helpful. How much 
> wire do you need? I might have some to spare if needed. Also what light and 
> dynamo are you using?
>
> Christian
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:53:38 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> In the weeks to come I’m going to be revisiting the wire-inside-the-fork 
>> trick. However, the hole is too small for the existing dynamo wires and I 
>> do not want to enlarge the hole.
>>
>> What would happen if I used a smaller-gauge wire inside the fork, to 
>> connect the dynamo to the headlight?
>>
>> Will a smaller-gauge wire be unable to handle the voltage/amperage from 
>> the dynamo? Will the headlight and taillight outputs be weaker? Or will the 
>> difference between the existing/stock wire and a smaller gauge be 
>> imperceptible?
>>
>> As always, your wisdom, advice, experience, and opinions are appreciated!
>>
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 10:13:40 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone, 
>>
>> Most bikes I see with the SON dynamo have the wire wound around the right 
>> front fork blade. I want to run the wire inside the fork using the small 
>> hole near the dropout. 
>>
>> I’ve already fished a thin wire through the fork as a leader i.e. I can 
>> attach the leader to the SON dynamo wire and pull it through the fork, 
>> unless the dynamo wire is too thick. Below are photos of the leader wire I 
>> fished through the fork. 
>>
>> Is this possible, or is it a bad idea? Has anyone here managed to achieve 
>> this setup? If so, how did you do it, and please post photos of your 
>> internal wiring setups! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[brizbarn]

Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell?  Or 
has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.

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[RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[brizbarn]

I had the same problem with my Appaloosa.  I did not grease the binder bolt 
at the head, or the threads. It slipped on my first ride, then broke when 
trying to tighten it down more.  I had an extra nut and bolt at home that I 
grease in both spots, and it has held tight since.  Something easy to 
overlook on a build.  
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Update - I put some park tool super grip on there for a little extra 
> stickiness. Anyone have experience with this stuff? Do you just use this 
> alone on a seat post or is it combined with some grease on the lower part 
> of the post? 
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 7:57:02 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Whelp greasing the clamp bolt worked, much to my amazement, which will at 
>> least hold me over until the nitto seat post and carbon paste shows up. One 
>> of the great things about bikes is one tiny thing can make all the 
>> difference. And one of the great things about this group is all the 
>> knowledge to be shared.
>>
>> Speaking of greasing the bolts, here is the new sam waiting at the 
>> swinging bridge over the Duwamish River this morning. Those in the Seattle 
>> area know that this bridge was recently closed to replace a hydraulic 
>> cylinder that allows the bridge to swing open. This is the main bike route 
>> out of West Seattle and it was a major pain to commute with it out of 
>> commission. Thankfully it's back in action!
>> [image: Image.jpeg]
>> [image: Image (3).jpeg]
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:23:56 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the 
>>> Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, 
>>> and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all 
>>> those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave up 
>>> and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The 
>>> Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's 
>>> infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with 
 the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
 shakedown ride yesterday. 

 I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
 curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
 the park tool super grip?




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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[brizbarn]

Nice job.  Incase anyone else is doing a similar fender job, I used a 
shradder valve cap as a spacer at the chain stay bridge fender mounting 
point to get better fender/wheel alignment.  Drilled a hole in the closed 
side and its a perfect fit. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:02:28 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thanks all! Let’s just say that if it could go wrong, it did. I was able 
> to sort it out and I’m stoked on how they look. The bike’s so big that many 
> think these tires aren’t as big as they are, especially with the addition 
> of the fenders. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:53:27 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Looks great. Enjoy staying dry and clean!
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks much, Keith!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
>>> Great looking bike, Luke!
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are some photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/tkZLp8Wi7N2VJyfc8> 
>>> from the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to 
>>> leave some extra strut just in case. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish 
>>> the rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front 
>>> fender with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a 
>>> certain level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to 
>>> finish adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite 
>>> satisfied with the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the 
>>> daylight tomorrow for reference. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
>>> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
>>> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
>>> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
>>> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO 
>>> lists the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into 
>>> his Platy)
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders 
>>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: A Santa Fe Christmas

[brizbarn]

When I was in Santa Fe it was more of meandering van trip, not too much 
bike riding. My partner and I van camped at the ski area outside town (not 
in ski season). And also near an amazing hot spring in the Santa Fe 
National Forest, that area was incredible and definitely enchanting.  We 
spotted a bear paw print in the dirt near our camp spot, and were pretty 
spooked by that but lived to tell about it.  I remember loving the Georgia 
O'keeffe museum in town, downtown in general was really cool.  We also 
visited Gila NF, the Carlsbad Caverns, and Roswell (rode bikes outside 
Roswell somewhere, but didn't spot any UFOs).

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:26:43 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thanks much, John!
>
> Re: the sunsets – totally agree. Lovely snap there. How long have you 
> lived in NM? You like it?
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-7 John M wrote:
>
>>
>> Those are great photos Luke-- I love the trash-hauling rainbow-tubed 
>> Atlantis.  I live in southern New Mexico (Silver City) but spent last 
>> Christmas in Santa Fe.  The sunrises/sunsets there really are incredible.  
>> Here's a Christmas Eve sunrise from the rail-trail south of town.
>>
>> [image: IMG_20211224_070932_DRO_2.jpg]
>>
>> john
>>
>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> The local stuff (trails, riding into town, visiting nearby spots) was 
>>> rad. Hearing about stuff north of me, Las Cruces bikepacking, and the 
>>> thought of touring from pueblo to pueblo… I want to come back. 
>>>
>>> Whereabouts did you stay/visit when here last?
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:43:48 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Santa Fe is an absolutely beautiful place, as is New Mexico in general. 
>>>>  I'd love to get back there some day, it's been years.  Seems like a great 
>>>> place for a bike tour, or some local rides like you did. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 4:56:35 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: B2090650-3E4F-459A-82EC-FD6DA03A56D9.jpeg]
>>>>> [image: 63A83374-5AC0-4289-9768-D78A0143FA87.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> 660ED454-3A54-48A2-8245-B4A4A1D7DE25.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> FED68E11-EEC6-42D4-92E0-D24009437792.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> FC34AB69-8452-4C23-A843-506F8F24E821.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> I traveled to Santa Fe with my wife to stay in a spot with my Mom, my 
>>>>> brother, and one of his daughters. We stayed just a few miles north of 
>>>>> Santa Fe proper near the Santa Fe Opera and have been in Santa Fe, Taos, 
>>>>> Chimayo, Tesuque (little out and back ride from our spot), and had some 
>>>>> time in the towns between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last time I was in New Mexico was about eight years ago and I was 
>>>>> more interested in the still-new relationship that I was in than the 
>>>>> gorgeous surroundings here. Anyway, I’ve loved the stay and enjoyed 
>>>>> stopping off at Sincere Cycles in town. I have included a few photos of 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> surroundings, the sunset, and my Riv on a trash run from the house (I 
>>>>> didn’t even wreck).
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: A Santa Fe Christmas

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Santa Fe is an absolutely beautiful place, as is New Mexico in general. 
 I'd love to get back there some day, it's been years.  Seems like a great 
place for a bike tour, or some local rides like you did. 

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 4:56:35 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: B2090650-3E4F-459A-82EC-FD6DA03A56D9.jpeg]
> [image: 63A83374-5AC0-4289-9768-D78A0143FA87.jpeg][image: 
> 660ED454-3A54-48A2-8245-B4A4A1D7DE25.jpeg][image: 
> FED68E11-EEC6-42D4-92E0-D24009437792.jpeg][image: 
> FC34AB69-8452-4C23-A843-506F8F24E821.jpeg]
>
> I traveled to Santa Fe with my wife to stay in a spot with my Mom, my 
> brother, and one of his daughters. We stayed just a few miles north of 
> Santa Fe proper near the Santa Fe Opera and have been in Santa Fe, Taos, 
> Chimayo, Tesuque (little out and back ride from our spot), and had some 
> time in the towns between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
>
> The last time I was in New Mexico was about eight years ago and I was more 
> interested in the still-new relationship that I was in than the gorgeous 
> surroundings here. Anyway, I’ve loved the stay and enjoyed stopping off at 
> Sincere Cycles in town. I have included a few photos of my surroundings, 
> the sunset, and my Riv on a trash run from the house (I didn’t even wreck).
>

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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

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I have Kool Stop BMX (which are also a dual compound black/salmon) on my 
BMX bike. They are great, and based in Oregon (not sure if they are made in 
USA tho).   When the stock shimano pads on Vbrakes on my Riv wear out, I'll 
get some Kool Stops for that too.  I've had their MTB ones as well and they 
work great too. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:37:22 PM UTC-8 Glen wrote:

> Thank you!
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:27:07 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Ditto on the Kool Stop City pads in salmon. That's what I'm using with 
>> the V-brakes on my Appaloosa. As Steven says, they're short enough that 
>> they don't hit the fork blades when opening the brake for wheel removal, 
>> making it easy to drop out a fat-tyred wheel without deflating the tyre.
>>
>> http://www.koolstop.com/english/city%20threaded.html
>>
>> Nick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

[brizbarn]

That is really cool Marty,  great layout!  Generous of you to share a big 
file for printing.  Does the same artist do all of the Riv head tube 
badges?  They are all great, I especially love any with color.  Was Heron a 
different company? that one is a stand out.   

Minh, with the large flickr file, a number of online photo or art printers 
could do it no problem, such as bayphoto.com.  There are plenty more out 
there as well. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:19:33 PM UTC-8 Minh wrote:

> super cool.  has anyone found a place that would make a nice print of 
> this?  for IRL sharing?
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:17:50 PM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Marty,
>>
>> I appreciate that you do this every year! It looks great.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 09:33, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to 
 keep things interesting. Hope you all like it.

1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front 
and center and larger than life.
2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time 
in blue.  
5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
sold yet. 
6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the 
badges. Frames are standard for this size print. 

 I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell 
 continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 

 As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
 print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
 throughout the year!

 Rivendell Badge Poster File 
 

 Marty

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[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[brizbarn]

Thanks for the info.  I also like helicopter tape that Bob posted above.  
Makes sense about the pclamp on the micro light, might as well make it more 
durable, would be nice if they just sold it with a metal clamp.  It would 
be cool if Blue Lug Koma lights had a dynamo version.  The toggle of the 
Sinewave Beacon seems awesome.  I just had a B Avy PLus N light fail, and 
I think it was due to the on/off button breaking.  That makes sense about 
just pointing the light down a bit, seems like that would work for city 
streets.  I just discovered the Kasai Trail Beam, seems like nice more 
affordable beacon.  I don't see any rear wiring or a rear light in the pic 
you posted on the bike with the green seat roll  and basket, am I missing 
something? 
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:07:22 PM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brian, 
> I think there's room for some clarification because I posted two identical 
> Polyvalent's for reference, and I did not entirely expect a response. The 
> bike pictured in the Imgur album belongs to a friend of mine, so I cannot 
> answer all of your questions directly. 
> For the B Micro tail light, a p-clamp and an alloy M5 spacer replaced 
> the original plastic eyelet to prevent the more fragile plastic from 
> breaking, likely in foresight for rougher riding. They have offered a lot 
> of positive feedback about the Sinewave Beacon, and I have been using a 
> Kasai Trail Beam, and I would agree that the charger is a convenient 
> integration. Sometimes I wish I could have the fancy anodized colors of the 
> Beacon, but I really wish I could have a toggle switch instead of the 
> button on the Trail Beam. The Trail Beam is mounted on a rando rack, 
> underneath a basket, and it is angled slightly downward, so it seems (and I 
> hope) that the broad beam is projected downward and hasn't been blinding 
> others. Of course, this limits the benefit of the broad beam, but it is the 
> most feasible approach for my current urban use. Notice the clean rear 
> dynamo wiring in the photo below-it's almost like it isn't there (I wish I 
> could route the wiring so discreetly, but I am using a rechargeable light 
> for the time being).I think Collin's solution with wire-covering tape 
> is a good approach that reduces the visual clutter from wrapping the dynamo 
> wire around the frame. 
> [image: IMG_1207.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[brizbarn]

Sean, is that wire similiar to others with two joined wires that can be 
split and stripped or is it something different? Pic is pretty bad on their 
site. Do you know if it's sold anywhere else?  

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-8 Sean, PNW wrote:

> The 22AWG wire offered by Velo Lumino, currently out of stock, is the best 
> solution I've found for threading dynamo wiring through tight spaces such 
> as fork legs:
>
>
> https://www.velolumino.com/product/premium-22awg-wire/10?cp=true=true=false=false
>
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> I did something similar on on my Surly Travels Check, but had to drill 
>> the holes bigger. That fork had a small hole at top of fork leg tube, I 
>> couldn't go up into steerer tube like yours.  Definitely looks cleaner, but 
>> drilling your fork is not ideal, and I doubt you can get the wiring through 
>> the little hole, but it would be great if you proved me wrong.  
>>
>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:22:51 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wired my Sinewave through the fork blade on my Crust Bombora, and it 
>>> was probably one of the most frustrating tinkering projects I’ve ever 
>>> attempted with any of my bikes. I almost gave up numerous times, and I 
>>> actually had to do it all over again once I had successfully completed the 
>>> routing. Most of the Crust frames have that cool little routing hole on the 
>>> backside of the upper right fork blade… which just begs for you to use it 
>>> as such. The problem is, in order to take advantage of it, you still have 
>>> to use that little hole down near the dropout as an entry / exit point. No 
>>> matter what, you’re essentially fishing wiring cable through a hole that is 
>>> maybe only 1mm wider than the thickness of the cable housing itself, and at 
>>> a very sharp, awkward angle. No doubt the situation you’re faced with now.
>>>
>>> I stripped the wiring to where only one of the two inside wires was 
>>> exposed and made sure the cuts were as clean as possible. Once that was fed 
>>> down to the dropout hole, I managed to snag that (now thinner profile) wire 
>>> with some very, very thin tweezers and pulled the whole cable through. 
>>> Before I found the right set of tweezers to use, I had tried various 
>>> methods like using an old spoke, a guiding wire, etc. None of those worked 
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> I don’t have any sure fire advice, unfortunately, but I feel your pain!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:04:35 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting. My Pashley (gone to a new home several years ago) had two 
>>>> brazed-in mounting points on the fork to which a piece was fitted that 
>>>> accepted a standard bottle generator. The setup is shown in the attached 
>>>> image.
>>>>
>>>> It worked quite well, without the need to run wiring very far at 
>>>> all—just a short distance from the generator to the light.
>>>>
>>>> --Eric Norris
>>>> campyo...@me.com[image: IMG_0554.jpeg]
>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 21, 2022, at 4:59 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My Pashley Guv'nor came with an enlarged hole on the right side bottom 
>>>> of the fork and a slit grommet in a hole on the top of the fork even 
>>>> though 
>>>> it didn't come with a generator - I rectified that with a  
>>>> Sturmey-Archer 90mm Drum Brake Dynohub. My former Trek Belleville had 
>>>> internal wiring in the fork & frame and the front rack had a separate set 
>>>> of tubes for the light wiring.  I love internally routed electrical wires. 
>>>> Go for it.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:57:42 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’ve been tempted to do the same thing. I’ve decided to instead 
>>>>> purchase a Pass & Stow rack which allows for internal routing.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:19:55 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve done it a few times and used a Dremmel to enlarge the hole near 
>>>>>> the dropout. No matter how much I tried to run the wire without 
>>>>>> enlarging 
>>>>>> the hole, I failed. 

[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[brizbarn]

Thanks for the replies.  That Son set up looks nice Mr. Ray, gotta see if I 
could run a wire into my BB on my Appaloosa, then up seattube and post.  

Collin, Is that a particular type of tape you under toptube of appaloosa 
holding the wire?

Definitely a clean look on that Bombora, and a rad looking racklette, Kai! 

Keep em coming, if anyone has more pics! 
-Brian
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:34:26 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Here’s a rear racklette I made, all of three inches of internal wiring…
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9KBpwpEUiL4XDGyVA
> Fun.
> -Kai
>
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[brizbarn]

I did something similar on on my Surly Travels Check, but had to drill the 
holes bigger. That fork had a small hole at top of fork leg tube, I 
couldn't go up into steerer tube like yours.  Definitely looks cleaner, but 
drilling your fork is not ideal, and I doubt you can get the wiring through 
the little hole, but it would be great if you proved me wrong.  

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:22:51 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wired my Sinewave through the fork blade on my Crust Bombora, and it was 
> probably one of the most frustrating tinkering projects I’ve ever attempted 
> with any of my bikes. I almost gave up numerous times, and I actually had 
> to do it all over again once I had successfully completed the routing. Most 
> of the Crust frames have that cool little routing hole on the backside of 
> the upper right fork blade… which just begs for you to use it as such. The 
> problem is, in order to take advantage of it, you still have to use that 
> little hole down near the dropout as an entry / exit point. No matter what, 
> you’re essentially fishing wiring cable through a hole that is maybe only 
> 1mm wider than the thickness of the cable housing itself, and at a very 
> sharp, awkward angle. No doubt the situation you’re faced with now.
>
> I stripped the wiring to where only one of the two inside wires was 
> exposed and made sure the cuts were as clean as possible. Once that was fed 
> down to the dropout hole, I managed to snag that (now thinner profile) wire 
> with some very, very thin tweezers and pulled the whole cable through. 
> Before I found the right set of tweezers to use, I had tried various 
> methods like using an old spoke, a guiding wire, etc. None of those worked 
> for me.
>
> I don’t have any sure fire advice, unfortunately, but I feel your pain!
>
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:04:35 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting. My Pashley (gone to a new home several years ago) had two 
>> brazed-in mounting points on the fork to which a piece was fitted that 
>> accepted a standard bottle generator. The setup is shown in the attached 
>> image.
>>
>> It worked quite well, without the need to run wiring very far at all—just 
>> a short distance from the generator to the light.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com[image: IMG_0554.jpeg]
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2022, at 4:59 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> My Pashley Guv'nor came with an enlarged hole on the right side bottom of 
>> the fork and a slit grommet in a hole on the top of the fork even though it 
>> didn't come with a generator - I rectified that with a  Sturmey-Archer 90mm 
>> Drum Brake Dynohub. My former Trek Belleville had internal wiring in the 
>> fork & frame and the front rack had a separate set of tubes for the light 
>> wiring.  I love internally routed electrical wires. Go for it.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:57:42 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been tempted to do the same thing. I’ve decided to instead purchase 
>>> a Pass & Stow rack which allows for internal routing.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:19:55 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve done it a few times and used a Dremmel to enlarge the hole near 
 the dropout. No matter how much I tried to run the wire without enlarging 
 the hole, I failed. I ended up soldering the “fishing” wire to the cable 
 and pulling it from bottom to top.Took me losing the cable several times 
 mid fork and having to re-fish to come up with that method. Learn from my 
 hours of mistakes! Literally hours. 

 Joe in Los Angeles 

 > On Nov 20, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Matthew Williams <
 matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
 > 
 > Hi everyone, 
 > 
 > Most bikes I see with the SON dynamo have the wire wound around the 
 right front fork blade. I want to run the wire inside the fork using the 
 small hole near the dropout. 
 > 
 > I’ve already fished a thin wire through the fork as a leader i.e. I 
 can attach the leader to the SON dynamo wire and pull it through the fork, 
 unless the dynamo wire is too thick. Below are photos of the leader wire I 
 fished through the fork. 
 > 
 > Is this possible, or is it a bad idea? Has anyone here managed to 
 achieve this setup? If so, how did you do it, and please post photos of 
 your internal wiring setups! 
 > 
 > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[brizbarn]

Thanks Max, great looking bike!  
One other thing, I don't usually run a rear rack, but rear rack mounted 
light pics definitely welcome, really any nice rear dynamo wiring pics, 
especially more up close. 
I agree Edward, they also seem kind of annoying to set up, but probably 
once it's set up, you can forget about it. 

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:11:37 PM UTC-8 edwardb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interested to see responses, the only reason I didn’t get a rear son 
> is because I haven’t seen a lot of examples of them installed and the ones 
> I’ve seen don’t always look great. 
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 3:08 PM maxcr  wrote:
>
>> I don't know if this is considered clean, but it works great! I installed 
>> this 
>> <https://analogcycles.com/products/schmidt-dynamo-rack-light?_pos=2&_sid=76286455a&_ss=r=40095863537841>
>>  
>> SON rear light mounted in the rear rack and ran the cable with the rear 
>> brake and along the rack:
>>
>> [image: IMG_8661 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:56:15 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone share photos of clean looking rear dynamo light wiring? I 
>>> currently run a front dyno and usually recharge my rear light on my 
>>> sinewave cycles UBS dynamo charger when its day light out.  
>>>
>>> I am interested in a rear dynamo light though, so that I don't have to 
>>> worry about charging the light.  Usually it's not a big deal to charge it, 
>>> but it would be cool to have bike powered light, front and back. I don't 
>>> want to mount the light to a fender because I only run fenders for a few 
>>> months out of the year.  My thought was to run it down the same line as 
>>> rear derailer cable, and mount it on one of the lower rack braze-on 
>>> mounts.  That might keep the wire somewhat out of view, and fairly clean 
>>> looking.
>>>
>>> I've read that mounting a rear light low is not the best idea, but I 
>>> feel like the light will be seen even if its not up high (like on the seat 
>>> post).  Thoughts?
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[RBW] Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[brizbarn]

Can anyone share photos of clean looking rear dynamo light wiring? I 
currently run a front dyno and usually recharge my rear light on my 
sinewave cycles UBS dynamo charger when its day light out.  

I am interested in a rear dynamo light though, so that I don't have to 
worry about charging the light.  Usually it's not a big deal to charge it, 
but it would be cool to have bike powered light, front and back. I don't 
want to mount the light to a fender because I only run fenders for a few 
months out of the year.  My thought was to run it down the same line as 
rear derailer cable, and mount it on one of the lower rack braze-on 
mounts.  That might keep the wire somewhat out of view, and fairly clean 
looking.

I've read that mounting a rear light low is not the best idea, but I feel 
like the light will be seen even if its not up high (like on the seat 
post).  Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[brizbarn]

It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, 
it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to 
"stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
busts some water drinking myths 
and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 
>
> It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck it 
> out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But here 
> in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey Eric,
>>
>> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day 
>> ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having 
>> all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking 
>> my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage 
>> based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and 
>> shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>>>
>>> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
>>> more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but 
>>> I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing when 
>>> I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
>>> tipping over, no big deal. 
>>>
>>> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've attached 
>>> a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a lot. I'd 
>>> also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my saddle but 
>>> couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around for a 
>>> bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
>>>
>>> Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a 
>>> fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Intoxicating read! Now I have the “itch” real bad.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter



 14-15 November 2022
 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 

 [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]

 This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight 
 trips by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I 
 booked 
 a primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
 loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
 night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
 to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
 out. 

 Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
 well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and 
 snow 
 were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With 
 bad 
 weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
 would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
 late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
 check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
 shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed 
 the 
 wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
 way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 

 [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]

 The 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[brizbarn]

Great write up!  Not sleeping on a bike or hiking trip is the worst, but 
the rest sounds dreamy.  Love the shot of the sunset with cabin.  I've done 
a little hiking and camping, and stayed with my family in a cabin in the 
area, so beautiful.  Thanks for sharing. 

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:57:20 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great ride report. Do you have pictures of inside the cabin? Or a map/link 
> to the cabin?
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>>
>> 14-15 November 2022
>> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>>
>> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>>
>> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
>> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
>> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
>> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
>> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
>> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
>> out. 
>>
>> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
>> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
>> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
>> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
>> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
>> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
>> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
>> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
>> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
>> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>>
>> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>>
>> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
>> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
>> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
>> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
>> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
>> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
>> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>>
>> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
>> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
>> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
>> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
>> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
>> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
>> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
>> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
>> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
>> fantastically good. 
>>
>> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>>
>> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long 
>> climb that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles 
>> without interruption. 
>>
>> The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times 
>> quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You 
>> would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads 
>> and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There 
>> are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from 
>> long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours. 
>> We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most 
>> part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving 
>> salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix. 
>>
>> I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on 
>> trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital 
>> camp chores were top of mind. Once we arrived we needed to gather firewood 
>> and water. Without electricity or plumbing we were reliant on the woodstove 
>> for heat and the spring for hydration. Stumbling around in steep and 
>> unfamiliar terrain searching for wood and water was something I hoped to 
>> avoid. 
>>
>> As we were passing a gate with signs that announced bicycles were 
>> prohibited we encountered a traveller on a flat bar mountain bike with 
>> disks. We had a short chat about where he was headed and I gave him the 
>> best directions I could. When I asked how much further we had to the top he 
>> said it was “a few miles.” Later on I realized he was tempering our 
>> distance and trying to be encouraging. The 

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

[brizbarn]

Could it simply be that if you are spending the money to buy a Rivendell, 
you are probably a pretty experienced rider and can handle your bike well. 
AND, you are so thrilled about how beautiful looking it is, that you to 
ride more often and more joyfully, and therefore better than you would some 
other basic looking bike?  

Mackenzy probably nailed it up above. And, I'm sure Rivendell geometry has 
been copied by other brands, but do those imitators get the love that Rivs 
get?  

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 650B. It looks huge because it is..this is in a sense a frame built for a 
> disability, I have arthritis in my hands and asked for a super-upright 
> Bosco Bars bike. He's never mentioned how he got to this design but what I 
> see and feel is Grant stretched the front way out there, then added a very 
> tall headtube so those bars would go up and shoot back at me. Then he added 
> the long stays to take the shock out of bumps, which can be brutal enough 
> on my wrists to make me turn around and go home. 
>
> I see this frame as the ultimate expression of GP's thoughts about high 
> bars and long wheelbase because I my needs basically offered: "More of that 
> stuff please." 
>
> Joe "happy rider" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:47:12 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Are those 26" wheels or 650B?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:36:55 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh right, I have numbers for why my Rivendell rides the way it does. I 
>>> forgot! 
>>>
>>> 71.5 seattube, 69.5 headtube. I wanted a pavement-biased frame for 
>>> non-touring-level loads and this is how it turned out. [image: 
>>> Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:02:08 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Joe

 What is the Seat Tube Angle of your custom??

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:41:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted 
> to post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these 
> frames 
> is slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk 
> about other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically 
> about 
> my custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this 
> (Clem 
> maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about 
> your 
> bikes! :
>
> The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock 
> (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put 
> it 
> in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change 
> it. It does this when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops 
> right back to where it was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and 
> nothing 
> rides like a Rivendell 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>


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Re: [RBW] New Fork Paint Options!

[brizbarn]

that looks great! love the appaloosa fork. excited to see it built up.

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:54:47 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> Gotcha. 
> Well, it turned out great.
> Love that you have some touch up too.
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:31 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks! Pantone 7558 is the closest, but Rick matched the color to the 
>> frame.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>
>> It just looks dynamite Matthew!
>> What a fantastic color.
>>
>> I can't wait to see it built up.
>>
>> I'm on the edge of my chromatic seat though. Which did you end up going 
>> with?! 126 or 7558?
>> (My guess is the latter)
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 3:59:00 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I just got my fork back from Rick, at D Cycles. After a lot of color 
>>> explorations, I decided to paint the fork to match the frame--I like 
>>> the butterscotch/mustard/antique gold color more than I realized!
>>>
>>> I gave Rick the frame and a Pantone chip so he could match the color. I 
>>> found four possible Pantone matches: 126, 132, 7557, and 7558. Of the four, 
>>> PMS 126 and 7558 appear to be the closest match in both shade and 
>>> direct sunlight, despite my iPhone camera’s claim to the contrary.
>>>
>>> Rick did a fantastic job. Rick absolutely nailed the color, he gave me 
>>> some leftover paint for touch-ups, and Rivendell picked up the tab. 
>>> Thanks to Vince & crew at Rivendell, and thanks to Rick for the terrific 
>>> work.
>>>
>>> I’ll rebuild her over the winter so she’s ready to ride in the spring.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: comparison_4682.jpg][image: forkcrown_4661.jpg][image: 
>>> forks_4660.jpg][image: forks_4663.jpg][image: pantone_4677.jpg][image: 
>>> touchup_4664.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride VO Quill Stem? pics? / Orange Appaloosa touch-up paint?

[brizbarn]

Thanks Joe. I like it too, just kinda strange to me that Nitto doesn't 
really offer a 90 degree stem, I think they would look good on non-flat top 
tube bikes. 

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:44:19 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> FWIW I think your Appaloosa looks cool with the flat bar and Periscopa. I 
> like the minimalist vibe. 
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:13:16 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the input Jason.  I really wish Nitto made a tall 90 degree 
>> (no rise or drop) stem, aluminum one bolt, and/or a steel four bolt version 
>> in 25.4mm clamp.  I currently run a Nitto Periscopa (30 degree rise, 80mm 
>> reach).  It works fine with Sim Works Little Nick flat bars, but I prefer 
>> the look of a 90 degree stem.  Was thinking of settling for the VO one bolt 
>> fillet brazed Quill, but that still has a rise of 17 degree and its 26mm 
>> clamp, so i'd need a shim. VO 2 bolt is sold out and is 31.8mm.  Sim Works 
>> has a 90 degree called the Lettuce stem made by Nitto that looks pretty 
>> good, but it's not tall enough for my liking.  A few pics of my Appaloosa 
>> with the Periscopa:
>> [image: DSCF7818 1.jpg][image: DSCF7828.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

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I really like my Sim Works Little Nick bars.  A basic flat bar, just a bit 
wider than traditional ones.  Comfy for 30ish miles at least, and probably 
many more. 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 1:16:43 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I've done *longer* 15-70 miles on albatross, losco and bullmoose bosco 
> with much success. most bars (notably drop) irritate my neck and shoulder 
> any distance. I just got some toscos and am excited to try those out. 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 1:02:13 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I've ridden drops, risers, straight bars and bullhorns on 15 plus mile 
>> rides. My favorite are the Tosco bars that are currently on my Clem. I 
>> think it may depend on the bicycle and your personal preference but for me 
>> upright riding with a position to lean forward to occasionally stretch my 
>> back is ideal. I also like ergonomic grips.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:57:20 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
>>> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>>
>>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
>>> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>>
 Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
 for rides longer than say, 15 miles?

 I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
 what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?

 Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
 bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
 most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
 winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
 afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is 
 I 
 only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
 on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
 play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
 don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
 Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.

 Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
 factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
 as favorites for longer riding?

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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstay Living

[brizbarn]

Killer bike.  I'm a PA native but live in Oregon now, gotta check out 
Johnstown some time.  I knew some BMXers from there years ago. I have a 
60cm Appaloosa (very similar to Atlantis), while I haven't road toured on 
it, I've done a few overnight, mostly gravel road trips with it and it was 
a pleasure to ride.  Definitely dig the long chain stays.  The Appa is 
night and day more comfy than my Surly Travelers check that I rode, toured, 
bike packed on for 10ish years, and way more stable feeling when loaded.  I 
run a front Swift rando bag on a small Velo Orange rack daily, and a 
homemade rear saddlebag similar to a Carradice long flap on the rear with a 
old blackburn rack as bag support for trips.  I run 29x2.2 Terravail 
Sparwood tires and ride mostly city miles with them, they are nice and 
smooth but all great on gravel and single track. Basically, the Atlantis 
will be amazing for road touring, I'm sure you'll love it however you set 
it up. and it would probably road tour just great as it is.  Enjoy.

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Sweet Atlantis Emmet! Don't go letting the dust collect on that big ol 
> Bridgestone now. Hope to see ya at Higher Ground next weekend!
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 10:23:52 PM UTC-4 e.q.s...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Accompanying Album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4bGXtPryjGpsePdx7
>>
>> Howdy all, 
>>
>> Just wanted to share my new 62cm Atlantis I received by way of Hope 
>> Cyclery. While waiting for this bike to be built due to parts shortage, I 
>> came across a Rambouillet that I have been riding religiously (maybe a post 
>> for another day). Anyway, this bike is something else. When the bike came, 
>> I had issues with reach being completely upright with Tosco bars and a 
>> 100mm stem. We quickly switched to the crust towel racks 67cm with a 60mm 
>> stem. It completely made the bike for me (95 PBH with a shorter torso). 
>> Sitting in the hoods is comfortable for most riding, the drops for the 
>> cutty, and the swept back flats for those ghastly western PA climbs when I 
>> have to bailout.
>>
>> It's currently set up with 2.2 UD Mars tires for the dirt. These photos 
>> were taken in Stackhouse Park just outside of Johnstown, PA. I have also 
>> ridden it in the bits of singletrack around Pittsburgh in the last couple 
>> of days. It is unbelievably smooth and completely stable which I'm 
>> attributing to those crazy long chainstays. However, it also just tears 
>> through everything. It's remarkably fast on the road with this knobby of a 
>> tire. 
>>
>> Riding it like this makes me wonder if anyone has toured on the MIT 
>> Atlantis? Maybe with antelope pass tires, it makes me excited to think that 
>> it has the ability to be just as capable on paved. 
>>
>> Best, 
>> Emmet
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The World's Ride

[brizbarn]

great collection of photos and quotes. thanks for sharing. 

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

> haha, me too
>
> great pics
>
> On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 06:41, 'mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to be the guy in Cuba. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Fillet FacePlanter 4 bolt quill stem 25.4mm clamp 60mm or 85mm or Jim Stem

[brizbarn]

Bumping this back up.  I see they have restocked these.  Still interested 
in a trade or to buy a used one to save some $.  Let me know if you have a 
85mm face plater stem.  Thanks, Brian

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:50:22 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Anyone looking to sell or trade a Nitto Fillet FacePlanter - Quill stem - 
> 25.4mm bar clamp?  Considering 60mm or 85mm.  This the 4 bolt design that 
> Riv does. Would also consider a Jim Stem (4 bolt) in 85mm length, 25.4mm 
> clamp.  pic for reference from riv site.  I have a new Nitto Periscopa 80mm 
> length 25.4mm clamp stem that has been installed and ridden a few miles 
> that I'd consider trading.
> want:[image: st2quill-31f.jpg]
> have:
> [image: image.jpeg]
> Feel free to reply here or with a direct message. Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rim input

[brizbarn]

Cliffhangers are great. Wider than a lot of other rims, so I think your 
tire will probably be closer to the marked width.  They are also tubeless 
compatible, which is at least nice to have that option even if you don't 
run it.  I run 700c silver 32h with 29 x 2.2" Terravail tires, not 650b but 
I'm sure that size is great as well. Plenty tough, but not exactly light. 
 I've also run a Velocity Dyad and they are super tough too. I like the US 
made factor as well.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:20:30 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> For rim brake bikes, I prefer rims with machined sidewalls.  Velocity 
> Quills are my fav.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Velocity A23 can also be had in 650b.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:36:20 AM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an odd wheelset that's Surly disc brake fixed-gear hubs laced 
>>> to Velocity Quills. Had them a year or two now, and like them. Highest 
>>> optimal tire width is 47mm according to Velocity, but I'm running 50mm 
>>> G-Ones and they've worked well. Probably wouldn't want to go too much 
>>> bigger but I don't have any more room so that wasn't a concern for me 
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5 Brent B wrote:
>>>
 Crust's Rim Brake Rims are really working out for me on my Atlantis and 
 at $105 per rim, they're a pretty good deal. They're very similar to the 
 Pacenti Brevets, but with a slightly wider profile and without the 
 eyelets. Slightly lighter than Brevets and Velocity Quills. I wouldn't put 
 them on a bike that was going to see a lot of rocky trails, but they're 
 stout enough for normal road/trail touring. Only available in 32h, but 
 they 
 are in stock! 

 -Brent

 On Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 09:39:57 UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> My currently installed 650 B rims:
> Velocity Quill, polished 36 hole on my Riv custom.
> Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 40 hole on my Bombadil.
> Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 48 hole on my Riv Keven's Mixte Cargo 
> bike.
> Alex DM-23, silver 40 hole on my Hubbuhubbuh.
> Alex DM-23, silver 36 hole on my Medium Mountain Mixte.
> Velocity Cliffhanger, black 36 hole on the rear of my Crustendell 
> Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle.
> Velocity Atlas, silver 40 hole on my Rosco Baby.
>
> I also have some VO Diagonale, polished 36 hole VO touring wheels in 
> the stash, I have had them installed on various bike in the past, they 
> were 
> the 1st wheelset on the Bombadil.
>
> All are good. The Velocity Quills are the lightest. Many of my 
> Velocity rims were custom ordered due some combination of spoke holes 
> and/or polishing being non-stocked items.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>>
>> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil 
>> from a member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. 
>> After 
>> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White 
>> Industries 
>> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
>> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
>> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>>
>> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Vern
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sycip "singles bar"

[brizbarn]

Never rode them or knew that they existed.  I thought about buying some Nitto 
B812 bars . 
Almost the same as Singles Bar but more narrow, available only from Blue 
Lug.   My friend has the wider Crust Juan Martin bars and likes them a lot. 
 Seems like a good in-between of swept back and straight.  I imagine you 
can still get rowdy with them, where swept back feel too relaxed, and 
straight bars are not relaxed enough for regular seated riding. Thanks for 
bringing these to my attention.   

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 6:05:22 PM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:

> yeah these were wider cruiser type bars but like Joe said, no rise.. 
> reminded me of a narrower juan martin bar.
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:42:02 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't have one to sell but I've owned one, I really liked the grip 
>> angle. No rise though so make sure you're ok with a lower bar (or can raise 
>> your stem). 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:25:36 PM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody have experience with this handlebar? Looking to replace the 
>>> Albatross on my Atlantis with something having less sweepback and this 
>>> seems like it might be perfect. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[brizbarn]

Anyone know what bars are on this Atlantis?  Posting is deleted on CL, so 
can't look there. 

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:37:08 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Atlantis
> 59cm
> 3600
> Berkeley, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7511867606.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

[brizbarn]

Anyone trying to do a parts bin friction 1x system, you could try using an 
old left hand front shifter as the rear shifter. Mine was a front bar end 
 friction shifter, now on a Paul Thumbie. I run it on the right underside 
of grip and it shifts my 1x10 micro shift derailer through a 11-50 tooth 
cassette great. I use 10 speed chain. Probably could have used an old deore 
9sp rear derailer and gotten away with not buying a new one. 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Just adding more similar data here...
>
> My Silver1 shifter set up on the Riv bar-end pod shifts a Sram Rival 
> through 11 speeds (11 to 42) with a 33t chainring. It does so very nicely.
>
> Before mounting this shifter (last week), I tried out a Suntour barcon, 
> which could not get up to the last, largest cog. 
>
> Patch in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 2:53:19 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>
>> When my Silver1 shifter broke and I replaced it with a Suntour Barcon. I 
>> was surprised by how easier it was to shift to the last cog on a 10 speed 
>> cassette compared to the Silver1 shifter. My initial set-up with the 
>> Silver1 shifter was with a Deore XT 10-speed derailleur. The last cog was 
>> almost impossible to shift and sometimes didn't. I replaced the Deore Xt 
>> with a Claris 9-speed derailleur and that fixed the problem. However, I had 
>> to swing the Silver1 shifter all the way up to get to the last cog. It is 
>> now easier with Suntour Barcon. I sometimes wonder why a bicycle company 
>> hasn't come out with a modern version of the Suntour Barcon
>>
>> Daniel M 
>> Tallahassee, FL 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 3:24:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> RBW said it won't work; quoting BS quoting Riv: 
>>>
>>> *These are compatible with up to 9 speed rear derailers only. Not 
>>> compatible with SRAM rear derailers.*
>>>
>>> But this recently appeared on the web page:
>>>
>>> HOLY COW, FOLKS: These will shift up to 11 speeds when used with a 9/8 
>>> speed rear derailer. The latest 10/11/+ rear derailers require more cable 
>>> to be pulled making them no good but a 9 speed rear derailer will still 
>>> shift through an 11-speed cassette easily. Match your chain to your 
>>> cassette, and the 9sp rear derailer works!
>>>
>>> In fact, BSNYC is using them to shift 12.
>>>
>>> The main complication is indeed lever travel; and this is why I find 
>>> Suntour Barcons with more "pull per inch" better for 10 cogs than Silver1s, 
>>> even though this means that shifting takes, theoretically, a bit more care. 
>>> In practice, the Barcons work fine with 10.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
 I guess my reaction to this would be "why would it not work".  It's a 
 friction shift lever.

 So long as the limit screws on the rear derailleur are set correctly, 
 and the lever has sufficient travel to sweep the entire distance between 
 the high stop and the low stop when connected to the cable, there's no 
 reason it wouldn't work.

 I suppose you could also talk about cable pull ratios and maybe there's 
 a situation under which a friction shift lever didn't have enough travel 
 because of multiplication or division of travel, but it still goes back to 
 the same question, is there enough travel when the thing is connected to a 
 cable, so more or less a yes or no question.

 Jim
 Austin suburbs, TX

 On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>
> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but 
> this is heartening news. 
>
> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd 
> have to swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a 
> big-enough granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should 
> proceed 
> gently, and simply go to 11 first.
>


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Re: [RBW] WTB: Billie Bars

[brizbarn]

Thanks for the insight y’all. And great looking bike Joe!  Hope someone has 
some Billies cause Riv is sold out. 

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes indeed. I use a B17 and had Grant design a custom for the upright 
> position I need to deal with my arthritic wrists. The original plan was for 
> Boscos and their massive height but the grip angle was a little too severe 
> for me, I switched to Billie's on a DirtDrop and that's the stuff, baby. 
> The splayed out angle (a little more than Albatross, too) is just what I 
> needed. 
>
> Pictured on a the very hot ride I did today: too hot but I was comfy! 
>
> Joe "I can't sell them" Bernard 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:32:53 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think you are on the right track. On my Clem I have found the sweet 
>> spot with a Tosco & a B67. It’s a magical combination. No longer need a 
>> padded short & hand / wrist issues are but a memory.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:51 PM, brizbarn  wrote:
>>
>> Looking for Billie Bars if anyone wants to sell. I ride a 60 Appaloosa 
>> with Sim Works Little Nick bars now. Interested in swept back bars in order 
>> to not lean forward as much, and relieve pressure from B17 saddle, 
>> hopefully stay on sit-bones better. Considering Albatross as well, but 
>> think I’d like the longer grip area and more out sweep of the Nitto Billie. 
>> Any thoughts on this are welcome. Never rode swept back bars before, other 
>> than around the block. 
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[RBW] WTB: Billie Bars

[brizbarn]

Looking for Billie Bars if anyone wants to sell. I ride a 60 Appaloosa with 
Sim Works Little Nick bars now. Interested in swept back bars in order to 
not lean forward as much, and relieve pressure from B17 saddle, hopefully 
stay on sit-bones better. Considering Albatross as well, but think I’d like 
the longer grip area and more out sweep of the Nitto Billie. Any thoughts 
on this are welcome. Never rode swept back bars before, other than around 
the block. 

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[RBW] Re: Steel short+stumpy threadless stems?

[brizbarn]

Sim Works have some steel treadless stems that are 50mm length and longer, 
short stack, made by Nitto, pretty nice looking too, not quite 40mm but 
pretty close.
https://sim.works/collections/stems-simworks-by-nitto
On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 12:38:37 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> I can't help you with a steel product Andrew. Aluminum ones ? Yes. There 
> are many, and in a wide variety of colors. Here's Modern Bikes selection of 
> 31.8 40mm threadless stems  
> https://www.modernbike.com/stems+stem-lengthis40-+stem-bar-clamp-diameteris31.8
>
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:02:49 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Analog seems to be the only ones out there with a steel product, but I'm 
>> not looking for so much stack. Does anyone know of a 35-40mm steel mtb 
>> threadless stem out there with a 31.8 clamp? 
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa drive train guidance

[brizbarn]

Kushan, I think a lot of these things people are mentioning are 
unnecessary.  Get the 10 speed wider-range cassette, put it on and ride it. 
 You use friction shifting, so you should be able to shift through all 
those gears just fine without needing to buy other stuff.  Maybe you'll 
need a new chain, since yours may be too short for the jump from 36t to 
42t, but maybe not (or maybe add some extra links back on your current 
chain). Your 9 speed Diore derailleur will more than likely make it to that 
42t.  My friend ran a similar set up just fine with the same derailleur, 
but had it 1x.  I currently run a 1x10 with microshift 11-48 cassette and 
derailleur, 38t narrow-wide chainring, and a left-handed front friction 
shifter on a Paul Thumbie, it all works like a dream. I second Joe's 
dislike of front derailleurs and will probably never go back.  Also, never 
under estimate getting out of the saddle to crank up a hill, relying on 
your body rather than having the perfect gearing.  Nothing wrong with 
hike-a-biking when things get too steep. 
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I acquired a 2021 Appaloosa over the summer and have been using it as my 
> primary bike for the past few months. Despite the generous gearing (38x24 
> in front, 11-36 9-speed in rear), I am finding myself grinding 
> significantly on sustained climbs over 7-8%. Part of this is my weight (250 
> lbs). The hefty tubing and upright bars of the bike contribute as well (my 
> lighter road bikes with similar gearing feel easier on the same climbs). 
>
> To make it a bit easier on my legs, I am contemplating "upgrading" to a 
> wider range cassette in the back. More specifically, I am thinking of 
> trying a 10-speed 11-42 cassette 
> 
>  and 
> wanted to get the group's input on whether this is a good idea.
>
>- Will this even work with my current setup? I have Shimano Deore 
>derailer and use Silver2 friction shifters for both front and rear. Based 
>on the recent newsletter from Will on different derailer and cassette 
>combo, I feel like this should work. Attached is the picture of the 
>derailer when I am in the lowest gear both front and back.
>- I currently have 9 speed 11-36 cassette and shifting works great. 
>How will going to 10-speed affect the quality of shifting?
>
>
> Best
> Kushan
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[brizbarn]

Hey Nick, great looking bike.  It looks like you are maxed out on width for 
the front fender, or is there a little more room to spare?  Are your 
fenders the Velo Orange Fluted 63mm?  I like the VOs for the price, but am 
wondering if the Honjo Flat 65 would fit in the Appaloosa fork, being 2mm 
wider than the VOs. My 2021 Appaloosa with Terravail Sparwood tires 
measures about 54mm wide on 700c Cliffhanger rims.

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 1:00:37 am UTC+11 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> Let me know how you make out with getting those fenders to play along 
>> with the V brakes…I have never had much luck
>
>  
> I have Velo-Orange mudguards on my Appaloosa over 55mm tyres (Schwalbe 
> Almotion rear, Antelope Hill front). I used Deore XT V-brake on the front, 
> but not on the rear because the rack support arms got in the way. The 
> V-brake just clears the fender:
> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183[1].jpg]
> [image: PXL_20201030_014818902[1].jpg]
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] WTB 60cm Appaloosa in Orange

[brizbarn]

I'd like to get my hands on an orange 60cm Riv Joe Appaloosa frame and fork 
set, or maybe a complete, one from the past couple of years with wider tire 
clearance and a single top tube.  I know the new ones are dropping soon, 
but if someone has one they want to sell, hit me up.

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[RBW] Re: Anything / Cargo Cage mounted to seat stays or fork braze-ons?

[brizbarn]

thanks for the insights.  the one-bolt style for anything cage seems safe 
if the straps stabilize it from swinging.  i like that tumbleweed rack too. 
 didn't know it existed before.  a silver version would be nice.

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 8:45:12 AM UTC-8 John O'shea wrote:

> I've not tried on a rivendell but I have successfully mounted Salsa Brand 
> Anything HD Cages on two seperate bikes using only a lowrider bolt. the 
> design of those particular cages allow the cage to brace the fork with just 
> one bolt in a manner that doesn't allow the cage to wiggle. I've done 
> gravel and singletrack touring using this method and it hasn't failed. I 
> would say maybe not to carry your kettle bell collection this way however.
>
> Hope this helps,
> John O'shea
> Lexington, KY
> [image: PXL_20210109_203022653.PORTRAIT.jpg][image: 
> MVIMG_20200719_092018.jpg]
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:30:33 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> The front mounts won't work thanks to the spacing. The rear will be 
>> tricky because the seat stays aren't in line with the bolt faces (i.e. 
>> eyelets are perpendicular to the center-line of the frame, but are about 
>> 1-3 cm laterally offset)...spacing isn't also perfectly set, and you have 
>> to deal with m5 and m6 bolts.
>>
>> You might be able to get something to work by using the b-rad cage 
>> adapters from wolftooth (the really long ones). Another option is to use 
>> those king cage USB adapters for the seat stay and bolt one of the cage 
>> holes to it, either way, not a particularly elegant solution, and neither 
>> of these are recommended for the fork I believe...
>>
>> Also, look at this rack if you are trying to find the 3-pack mounts and 
>> still be light-ish (I think 500-ish grams?). You also get a saddle bag 
>> carrier!   http://www.tumbleweed.cc/store/t-rack  
>>
>> In summary, it'd be a lot of work, and you are probably best with using 
>> bags with minimal supports like the caradice , etc. if you want to reduce 
>> the dead weight on your frame.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sacramento
>>
>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 10:39:44 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone ever bolted an anything style cage to their Riv seat stay or 
>>> fork rack mounts? With four rack mounts on frames like the Appaloosa, 
>>> Atlantis, and Hillborne, I wonder if it's possible to bolt on an anything 
>>> cage.  Could be an alternative to running a traditional rack if the spacing 
>>> is correct. Photoshopped mock-up picture attached of what I'm talking 
>>> about. 
>>>
>>> [image: appaloosaorangedrivesideframe_anything.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Appaloosa 60cm pics with big tires, thoughts on upright riding position

[brizbarn]

Stunning bikes y'all!  Thanks for sharing.  Any thoughts on upright bars 
for climbing hills, cranking hard...?

On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 5:36:23 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> That's a great looking Clem, love the grilver color. It sorta makes me 
> regret selling my Clem... both of them!
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bones  wrote:
>
>> Here is my 62 Appaloosa with 50mm Cazarderos on Cliffhangers (measure a 
>> true 50mm). I fit a 2.1" Thunderburt in the rear but the 2.25" was too 
>> close for comfort. The 2.25" fit fine in the fork but it needed to be 
>> deflated a bit (annoying). Not sure if that has changed with more recent 
>> models. I am never uncomfortable on this bike; I did not build it as an in 
>> the hoods faster pace bike so I can't really comment on that.
>> [image: DSC00759.jpg]
>>
>> And here is my 59 Clem H with 2.25" Thunderburts on Cliffhangers. Plenty 
>> of room. Will probably try 2.5" tires next. This bike is a good fit and 
>> also very comfortable.
>> [image: DSC00324.jpg]
>>
>> Bones
>> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:53:17 AM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for some photos of a Joe Appaloosa size 60 or 58 with big tires, 
>>> 29x2.25ish.  New to group, hopeful Riv owner. Thinking of getting an orange 
>>> Joe when the next batch comes out.  Most pics on the www are of smaller 
>>> frames, and I'd love to see what the proportions look like on a big frame.  
>>> Also wonder if the upright riding position that Riv is known for gets 
>>> uncomfortable or hinders hard pedaling.  I'm used to getting in the hoods 
>>> to get a faster pace going. Currently ride a Surly Traveler Check with 
>>> drops, a Panasonic MC4500 vintage mtb, and a FBM bmx.  Feel free to drop 
>>> any insights on the Appaloosa worth knowing before dropping a pretty penny 
>>> on one.  Thanks.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: ...and another orange Hillborne

[brizbarn]

Great looking bike! I dig the 1x gearing.  How many speeds and what is your 
cassette range?  I'm hoping to get an orange Appaloosa and set it up in 
similar fashion, but probably with flat or sweptback bars.  I have some 
Paul Thumbies I could convert bar-end shifters with.  Jason's Riv on the 
Radavist looks great too.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:53 PM UTC-8 Artaud wrote:

> After lurking for years, I may finally have something to contribute!
>
> I bought this frame from Laing (who managed to keep it in amazing 
> condition) here on the board in August and then promptly... waited for 
> parts to be back in stock. At least I got to enjoy looking at the pearly 
> orange quietly catching the sunlight for a few months.
> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
> Inspired by Rob Perks' Ocean Air Ramblers, I went for a mix of Paul and 
> White Industries parts, with a classic Nitto stem/seatpost combination. The 
> wheels were built by Riv - the MI5 hubs are probably overkill for the 
> riding I do, but I like them.
> [image: IMG_5542.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5547.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5548.jpg]
> After riding moustache, albastache and a variety of flat bars for years, 
> the Shaka Bars are my first try at drop bars, and I'm sold. The Fabio's 
> chest is great to carry snacks and small dogs. I have absolutely no use for 
> the Erlen rack, but it's here for now.
> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
> I'm particularly happy with the shiftings I get from Dura Ace / GRX 
> combination, probably the best I've ever had. After two years of 
> frustrating friction shifting and an unconvincing attempt to combine an XT 
> derailleur with a Microshift shifter on another bike, the precision I get 
> every time I shift on the Hillborne is very satisfying.
>
> It's a fun bike, lighter and faster than I anticipated and I can almost 
> keep up with the electric bikes on the greenway now.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[brizbarn]

JGshoe, great looking build!  What size is your frame?  Also what size 
tires are you running?  I'm definitely considering getting one of these 
next time they are available.  A secondhand orange 60cm Appaloosa would be 
a score for me.

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:06:09 PM UTC-8 jgs...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 6703D101-A375-4C81-995A-989B899EC04B.jpeg]Here’s my Joe Appaloosa 
> dream bike that I recently built up. I scored the frame on Craigslist from 
> someone who never built it up, so it was new in box (thanks Rick!)
> This was my first time ever building a bike from the frame up, which took 
> a lot of trial and error and asking riv a million questions. But I decided 
> to go big and build my dream rig and I couldn’t be happier.
>
> I took it to Tahoe right after building it to give it a proper break in :) 
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Very nice.  Who did the repaint? I am near Springfield but I’ll keep mine 
>> blue. 
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:49 PM Ryan Nute  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my Bleriot/Protovelo/Travelo (thanks Ted!)
>>>
>>> [image: 50303422281_29aeadc806_k.jpg]
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:04:57 PM UTC-8 LF wrote:
>>>



 Larry "old school" Fieman
 Marblehead, MA 

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[RBW] Wanted: Appaloosa 60cm pics with big tires, thoughts on upright riding position

[brizbarn]

Looking for some photos of a Joe Appaloosa size 60 or 58 with big tires, 
29x2.25ish.  New to group, hopeful Riv owner. Thinking of getting an orange 
Joe when the next batch comes out.  Most pics on the www are of smaller 
frames, and I'd love to see what the proportions look like on a big frame. 
 Also wonder if the upright riding position that Riv is known for gets 
uncomfortable or hinders hard pedaling.  I'm used to getting in the hoods 
to get a faster pace going. Currently ride a Surly Traveler Check with 
drops, a Panasonic MC4500 vintage mtb, and a FBM bmx.  Feel free to drop 
any insights on the Appaloosa worth knowing before dropping a pretty penny 
on one.  Thanks.  

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