[RBW] Re: Watch those kickstand plates! and question about S and S couplers

[mitchelr]

Kip, I've tried all the options.  I have an S&S coupled Atlantis, a
touring-retrofitted Dahon Flo (the full size steel Ritchie designed
mountain bike that comes apart) and a Bike Friday.  My wife and I
spent five weeks last Feb-March in Northern Thailand - on our Bike
Fridays.  We just returned from two months slow cycling in China,
mostly around Beijing and Hebei province, - on the Bike Fridays.  My
Bike Friday, a Pocket Llama model, is matched exactly to the
proportions and equipage of my Atlantis (Bike Fridays are custom
built) including Albatross bars and Silver bar end shifters, same gear
inches, brooks seat etc.   With my bad luck the TSA repeatedly dose
some damage to my bikes during inspection, usually by lifting the bike
out of the case, then dropping it back in without regard to fit or
shifting of lid braces and so forth (large photos are taped to the
inside of the lid illustrating the proper way to replace things).
Beyond the reach of the TSA, Bike Friday's are incredibly tough and
versatile.  My wife has an off-the-shelf Pocket Expedition similarly
equipped and likes it as well as her LHT.   These bikes really do
travel.   And when you get there you can really ride them.  While I
can theoretically assemble and disassemble my S&S coupled Atlantis in
as little as an hour, it takes much longer when the bike will be used
for fully loaded touring with fat tires, steel fenders, racks, lights,
GPS mounts etc..  The Dahon has not yet traveled internationally so I
don't know how well it will fare.  Dahon assembly time is about the
same as the Atlantis but it is easier to fit into the slightly over-
sized semi-soft Dahon travel case.  Bottom line: I love the Atlantis
for  North American touring, the Dahon for mountain trails and the
Bike Friday at the checkout counter.  All are excellent bikes if you
can get them  to where you are going without undue damage or
drudgery.   The best bike to have on a tour is the one you have with
you.  Rich Mitchell, Corvallis Oregon.

On Sep 15, 7:32 pm, Kip Otteson  wrote:
> I noticed yesterday that my kickstand was sitting at a very awkward
> angle.  I moved it a little and I could see that my kickstand plate
> was ripping off of my frame.  I have a Pletscher double kickstand on
> the Bombadil and I think that when it was parked at school someone sat
> on it and bent it all up.  Bummer deal.  I took off the kickstand and
> now am really old-new school with a bike I have to lean up against
> things, like in the old days.  I was worried that the chainstays would
> be hammered as well but they look fine.  I'll have to wait till I'm
> back in the states to get it fixed properly.
>
> BTW - I thought that if I was going to get the frame fixed I'd be
> looking at sending it to Bilenky Bike Works and getting S and S
> couplers fitted for a more travel friendly machine.  Anybody out there
> experienced converting a frame to a travel bike?
>
> Kip Otteson
> Chiang Mai, Thailand

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

[mitchelr]

In our household we have: my bikes, one Atlantis, one Norvarra
Randonne, one Bike Friday Pocket Llama, one Dahon Flo (the Ritchey
break-apart type travel MTB set up for touring), and my wife's bikes,
one Trek 520, one Bike Friday Expedition, on Surley LHT and one
Specialized MTB.  ALL these bikes have Albatross bars and nothing
else.  They are used for trips from less than a mile errand running to
60+ miles per days fully loaded touring on 700+ mile tours.  Half are
alloy, half are steel.

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon

On Dec 19, 9:54 am, b hamon  wrote:
> Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
> upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
> bikes?
> Beth
>
> http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com
>
> http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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[RBW] Re: FS ActionTec Titanium Cogset 11-36

[mitchelr]

Several people have asked, and yes, the cogset is still for sale.

Thanks,

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon (Portland on the weekends - a real bike-friendly
city).

On Nov 12, 3:51 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> I followed up with Action Tec on the questions of life expectancy and
> interchangeability.  Russ told me life expectancy should be at least
> 3X that of Shimano steel cogs, depending on cleanliness and
> lubrication.  That seems reasonable.  One of my touring buds just paid
> $85 for a complete Ultegra 9 speed.  Russ says in my app (8 speed
> friction) that using individual cogs would work.  He advised using
> their complete cassette for best results with 9 speed index, and that
> makes sense, given the tight tolerances req'd in that app.  One major
> plus they offer is custom mixes.  If you blow thru a cog set every
> year, this may be a higher cost but better value alternative.
>
> dougP
>
> On Nov 3, 10:34 am, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > > Don't you need to start with a complete cassette, so that when the
> > > individual sprockets wear out you can replace them?  I don't think
> > > they're meant to be replacement items for rehabilitating worn Shimano
> > > cassettes.
>
> > This is a fair question - does anyone know why they wouldn't work?
>
> > > Actually, given cost and availability, rather than rehabbing an 8,
> > > wouldn't you be better off switching to 7 speed?  
>
> > 7 & 8 sp cogs are close enough in thickness that either works for me.
> > I'm now up to 5 7 sp cogs on my 8 sp.  I had a couple of spare 7sp
> > cassettes when my bike came with 8, and just pick up the odd 7 sp when
> > I see one.  Great good fun and I get to pick my own gearing, just like
> > in the days of Uni-Glide.
>
> > > AFAIK the life span of Shimano Dura Ace cassetted with Ti sprockets is
> > > dramatically shorter than steel Ultegra level cassettes.
>
> > I did not know this.  Steel can be treated in many ways to change it's
> > characteristics of hardness, durability, etc.  I know the various "HG"
> > designatiions perform differently.  Maybe DA is meant to wear out?
> > The Actiontec stuff looks like the intended market is MTB.  If so, it
> > would have to be abrasion resistant.
>
> > dougP
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[RBW] Re: FS ActionTec Titanium Cogset 11-36

[mitchelr]

Lots of thoughtful discussion below to which I'll only ad this.  My
motivations for buying the titanium cogset (and for the next one I'll
buy) were durability and  versatility.  First, being able to select
each gear individually was a boon.  I wanted the 36t lowest gear and I
also wanted an 11t.  Russel accommodates both.  Durability matters,
too.   My LBS folks advised the advantage of the ActionTec titanium
cogs (beyond weight) is their "shark tooth" design that uses the full
thickness of metal to the end of each tooth.  They explained that most
steel cog designs weaken the teeth at the most crucial point with
various ramps, thinning and grinding to facilitate easier shifting
with 9 and 10 speed indexed systems.  But I needed none of that -
shifts are smooth and sure as it.  As a note, we did experiment with
the optional ActionTec idler wheel and found it unnecessary.  So, if
you need an extra-tough, off-road or steep hills and heavy loads over
that really high pass cog setup this might meet your needs.  Of course
bragging about titanium parts to the carbon fiber crowd at the coffee
shop is always fun, too.
Rich in Corvallis


On Nov 2, 1:18 am, mitchelr  wrote:
> Lots of discussion of use of an Atlantis on the Great Divide.  Here is
> a handy accessory that will help tame the hills when loaded down a
> bit.
>
> ActionTec titanium cogset, 8 speed, 11-36 including 11 tooth/lockring,
> and all spacers.  I've used this set about 100 miles on fire trails
> (some steep for me) and 300 miles touring.  Works flawlessly.  So
> well, in fact, that Russel is making me a 11-38 cogset (yes, I'm a
> weenie but I love to climb up those coast range logging roads we have
> here in Oregon and this cogset has made all the difference).  Would
> serve well for extended touring with heavy loads.  Weight
> approximately 200gr.  http://www.actiontec.us/ticog.htm $175
> delivered to CONUS.  Richard Mitchell, Corvallis, Oregon (541)
> 752-0755 mitch...@onid.orst.edu
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[RBW] FS ActionTec Titanium Cogset 11-36

[mitchelr]

Lots of discussion of use of an Atlantis on the Great Divide.  Here is
a handy accessory that will help tame the hills when loaded down a
bit.

ActionTec titanium cogset, 8 speed, 11-36 including 11 tooth/lockring,
and all spacers.  I've used this set about 100 miles on fire trails
(some steep for me) and 300 miles touring.  Works flawlessly.  So
well, in fact, that Russel is making me a 11-38 cogset (yes, I'm a
weenie but I love to climb up those coast range logging roads we have
here in Oregon and this cogset has made all the difference).  Would
serve well for extended touring with heavy loads.  Weight
approximately 200gr.  http://www.actiontec.us/ticog.htm  $175
delivered to CONUS.  Richard Mitchell, Corvallis, Oregon (541)
752-0755 mitch...@onid.orst.edu
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[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond

[mitchelr]

Remember Amtrak Express as an alternative.  Amtrak will transport your
fully assembled bike in one of their extra-large boxes from/to any of
their stations with baggage service for roughly $68.  All that is
required is turning the bars and removing pedals.  I just shipped my
Atlantis from Albany Oregon to St. Louis MO this afternoon - a simple
process.  Parking at the train station is easy and free, the baggage
people courteous and your bike is less likely to suffer damage than
when on the airlines or UPS (I have horror stories of the latter if
anyone is interested).  Amtrak delivery takes a few days - figure 6
max coast to coast.  Storage is free for the first two days after
arrival at your destination and then $2 per day.  Napa?  There are a
number of pleasant back road routes from the Sacramento-Davis area to
the wine country and back and the local bike clubs have maps available
online.  Davis has long been considered a one of the nation's most
bike-friendly communities and has a bikes-welcome Amtrak station.
Once the bike is where you want to be, travel is much simplified.  How
about sending the bikes to Davis, then flying directly to Sacramento?
The Capital Corridor train (with your bike if you choose) can easily
take you to Berkeley and as far south as San Jose on 12 trains per
day.   This is bicycle country.  Enjoy.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jdgaGaDfeqE/RYCXEt6TyII/AC8/CvQ1YPhGyU4/s400/davis%2Btrain%2Bstation.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bikecommutetips.blogspot.com/2006/12/amtrak-capitol-corridor-celebrates-15.html&usg=__2UUFz5yRjvGte2vhL28v5YCMaMs=&h=258&w=400&sz=27&hl=en&start=17&tbnid=U11w1lEbYvQRZM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Damtrak%2Bstation%2Bdavis%2Bcalifornia%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Rich Mitchell
On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don  wrote:
> I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s
> (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a
> handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with
> planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have
> some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to
> other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these
> tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I
> want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would
> take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to
> book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is
> absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are
> very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this
> group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information
> I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites
> or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK
> but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me
> stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give.
> Cheers,
> Don
> donl...@bellsouth.net
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[RBW] Re: Hi from Chicago

[mitchelr]

Terry and Rocky and the rest of Chicago's Rivfolk:

Glad to hear there is Riv interest in that great city of yours.  My
partner and I will be dawdling up from Saint Louis early next month, I
on my trusty Atlantis and she on her Trek.  Coming from Joliet we are
not sure of the best strategy for getting to downtown and Union
Station - suggestions appreciated.  Likewise, where might we find a
Riv-friendly bike shop should we need a bit of assistance?

Many thanks,

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon

On Aug 16, 1:27 pm, terryg  wrote:
> Hello world,
> I just had to de-lurk for a brief moment.  I've been reading here for
> months, enjoying the tech talk, ride reports, pics, banter, news, what-
> have-you.  I finally actually joined the group, and maybe I'll able to
> contribute as well as all y'all.
>
> If you're in Chicago, say howdy!  I ran into two (count 'em, two!)
> Rivs yesterday riding up Lincoln Ave.  A green QB and a great
> Glorius.  They were traveling together.  I was on my AHH, with a
> growler of Piece Anniversay Ale tied in to my small Sackville on the
> front rack.  We didn't meet but we spoke; we were rolling in traffic
> so it was a bit rushed.  I now know of 7 Rivendells in the city!
>
> OK, back to lurking
>
> Terry
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[RBW] Which Really Big touring tires?

[mitchelr]

Next month we will be off for a couple of weeks touring in the
Midwest.  While there is a 'plan' of sorts this is likely to become an
exploration of farm roads, rail lines, tow paths, poorly maintained
urban pavement and other sundry rough surfaces.  Much of this could be
avoided I'm sure but the bumpy way seems to be my calling.
Rich at RBW just built me a set of super-strong wheels (Mavic 719as,
Shimano hubs 40 rear, 36 front, 4 cross SS).  Now what tires?  We can
narrow the range a bit as I'm an ardent Schwalbe fan, but which of
their current assortment?  I used a set of 700x50 XRs on a recent
backroads adventure was quite pleased with them.  These are one option
as is the XR in 700x40.  But what of the others?  Does anyone have any
experience with the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme in super-size, the
700x50? (I use the Supreme 700x40 year round so this is a known
item).  Or anyone used the Marathon Extreme 700x40?  Any guidance
would be appreciated.  Comfort and reliability are top of the list of
requisites.  Speed matters little.  We will be carrying medium four-
pannier loads.   Thanks to all for your guidance and suggestions.

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon
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[RBW] Re: Taking My Atlantis on Tour

[mitchelr]

David,
Looks like a very workable support.  Here is another idea similar to
yours.  I too have a Tubus Nova SS and  Nitto mini rack mounted
together.  Using straightened P clamp stainless bands it is possible
to support the Nova top bar at the P clamp like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25041...@n04/3723361158/

So far this system seems to work - 125 miles of rough logging roads,
ungraded railroad bed and off-road with about 12 lbs. in each
pannier.  No slippage observed.  Bigger test comes next month on a
longer Midwest tour.

Have a great summer,

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon

Thanks to all for the

On Jul 14, 7:56 pm, David Shadmon  wrote:
> Guys,
> Sorry for the late reply, right after I posted to the list (by mistake, since 
> I meant to contact the OP only) - my PC went into a coma.  Coincidence?
> It took me some time to recover and re-load all the software.
> The issue I had was with my setup, not the rack itself.  The Tubus Nova SS 
> shared the front fork with a Nitto Campee front rack.  The Campee got to use 
> the eyelets, so the the Tubus was reduced to using p-clamps.  I found out 
> that those do not hold well, since the fork tapers down, it gets narrower, so 
> once the p-clams start to move down, they will continue to do so.  I had 
> about 12 lbs in each front pannier, which is reasonable.
> So I had to resort to some improvisation, using zip ties to keep the rack 
> arms from sliding down.  This setup held very well, and I even got some 
> compliments from some Harley dudes who examined this motor-less bike very 
> carefully...
> Here's a link to some pictures of my 
> setup: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40439...@n03/
>  
> Enjoying reading the list and already planning for 2010,
>  
> David
>
> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Nicholas Grieco  wrote:
>
> From: Nicholas Grieco 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Taking My Atlantis on Tour
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:11 AM
>
> What issues did you have with the Nova?
>
> On Jul 4, 12:03 pm, David Shadmon  wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> > Good luck and have fun!
> > Question: what is the front rack on your bike?  I had issues with mine 
> > (Tubus Nova SS) on my 2008 1,300 miles tour of Quebec, and, planning ahead 
> > for 2010, your setup looks like just what I need...
> > Thanks,
> > David
>
> > --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Robert Kirkpatrick  wrote:
>
> > From: Robert Kirkpatrick 
> > Subject: [RBW] Taking My Atlantis on Tour
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 2:52 PM
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > So once again I'm setting off on tour my my trusty Atlantis. Running about 
> > the same setup some of you might remember from my 2007 tour, but with of 
> > course some modifications based on lessons learned and a bit extra stuff as 
> > its a bit longer tour.  Anyway I'll be blogging when I can from the road 
> > here:
>
> > 
>
> > and uploading pics from my iPhone here:
>
> > 
>
> > Also of course when I can.  Anyway I'm hitting the road in just a couple of 
> > minutes, thanks for looking!
>
> > -Robert
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[RBW] Zyglo analysis useful?

[mitchelr]

Hope this is not too far off topic.  I have an old Sugino Impel
crankset I want to bring back into use specifically because of its
94/58 five arm configuration (and the daunting cost of alternatives
such as the TA Carmina).  Ebay supplied an old Sugino set.  But is it
any good?  My LBS folks looked it over and offered assurances but I'm
still uncertain.  Has anyone every used the Zyglo dye analysis process
for parts such as a crank and if so was it worthwhile?  I'm presuming
automotive engine rebuilders will have the dyes and UV lighting but
are there other sources?  Many thanks for the good advice on this odd
project.
Rich Mitchell, Corvallis Oregon
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[RBW] Riv / Non(?) Riv stuff FS Take-Two

[mitchelr]

Here are a few more items added and updated from yesterday's post.
Thanks to all for the offers and replys.  Riv / Non(?) Riv items FS
Take Two.

Riv stuff:  Paul’s 2008 Neo-Retro canti brakes, silver anodized,
http://www.paulcomp.com/neoretro.html.
Paul’s Canti Levers, silver anodized.
http://www.paulcomp.com/cantilever.html
As new.  Mounted once but unused; we changed everything on that
project and went with the Paul’s Touring Cantis for pannier
clearence.  Neo-Retros work fine with Ortliebs.  Without pads.  $235
delivered.

Exotic Non(?) Riv stuff:  Weight listing corrected.  Just when you
thought you had everything, Tubus comes along and makes their “Logo”
rear rack in titanium, the new “Carry” model.
http://www.tubus.com/index/lang/en/rubrik/Rear%20Carriers/artikel/Carry%20-%20the%20world%26%2339%3Bs%20lightest%20long%20distance%20travel%20carrier
Now if you want the worlds strongest, lightest and certainly most
expensive rack it is yours for $265 delivered.  I paid over $300 plus
postage to get it here from Germany via England for a project that did
not happen.  It is certainly beautiful, will haul an honest 66 lbs.
and weighs just 260 grams.  With titanium mounting hardware.  New, in
box, never mounted.  A few are being brought in this spring but are
all pre-sold.  Orders for the next batch can be placed in fall for
delivery 2010 at the price of $275.  Or you can have one now and be
the talk of the town.

Confession: I also have an “Ariy,” the titanium version of the “Fly,”
a miniscule 210 grams, 66 lbs. capacity, new, $175 delivered.
http://www.tubus.com/index/lang/en/rubrik/Rear%20Carriers/artikel/Airy%20-%20the%20worldwide%20first%20titanium%20carrier/.
I’ll keep one of these racks but can't decide which so whatever goes
first determines the choice.

WTB or trade for any of the above: TA Carmina crankset, 94/58, in very
good condition.

Contact Richard Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon
mitch...@onid.orst.edu
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[RBW] Re: Riv/Non(Riv) stuff FS: Carradice Super C trunk, Barley bag, Tubus titanium Carry rack, Ortliebs

[mitchelr]

No, no, no!  The Carry titanium rack weighs 260 grams, not 230.
Sorry about that.  Rich Mitchell

On May 3, 11:31 pm, mitchelr  wrote:
> Riv / Non(?) Riv items for sale.
>
> Riv stuff:  Carradice Super C Bag rack trunk.  New.  In Carradice
> bag.  $110 delivered in the Continental US.  Carradice Barley
> saddlebag, black with white leather straps, near new.All leather
> has been treated with two coats Nikwax waterproofing.  $85
> delivered.
> Exotic Non(?) Riv stuff: Just when you thought you had everything,
> Tubus comes along and makes their “Logo” rear rack in titanium, the
> new “Carry” 
> model.http://www.tubus.com/index/lang/en/rubrik/Rear%20Carriers/artikel/Car...
> Now if you want the worlds strongest, lightest and certainly most
> expensive rack it is yours for $265 delivered.  I paid over $300 plus
> postage to get it here from Germany via England for a project that did
> not happen.  It is certainly beautiful, will haul an honest 66 lbs.
> and weighs just 230 grams.  With titanium mounting hardware.  New, in
> box, never mounted.  With invoice if you want it.  A few are being
> brought in this spring but are all pre-sold.  Orders for the next
> batch can be placed in fall for delivery 2010 at the price of $275.
> Or you can have one now and be the talk of the town.
>
> Non Exotic regular stuff:  Ortlieb Bike Packer Classic rear panniers,
> black, Excellent condition.  Used only four says.  Too big for my wife
> who prefers the front rollers.  $145 delivered.
>
> Pictures:http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1153258050.html
>
> Contact Richard Mitchell
> Corvallis, Oregon
> mitch...@onid.orst.edu
> (541) 752-0755
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[RBW] Riv/Non(Riv) stuff FS: Carradice Super C trunk, Barley bag, Tubus titanium Carry rack, Ortliebs

[mitchelr]

Riv / Non(?) Riv items for sale.

Riv stuff:  Carradice Super C Bag rack trunk.  New.  In Carradice
bag.  $110 delivered in the Continental US.  Carradice Barley
saddlebag, black with white leather straps, near new.All leather
has been treated with two coats Nikwax waterproofing.  $85
delivered.
Exotic Non(?) Riv stuff: Just when you thought you had everything,
Tubus comes along and makes their “Logo” rear rack in titanium, the
new “Carry” model.
http://www.tubus.com/index/lang/en/rubrik/Rear%20Carriers/artikel/Carry%20-%20the%20world%26%2339%3Bs%20lightest%20long%20distance%20travel%20carrier
Now if you want the worlds strongest, lightest and certainly most
expensive rack it is yours for $265 delivered.  I paid over $300 plus
postage to get it here from Germany via England for a project that did
not happen.  It is certainly beautiful, will haul an honest 66 lbs.
and weighs just 230 grams.  With titanium mounting hardware.  New, in
box, never mounted.  With invoice if you want it.  A few are being
brought in this spring but are all pre-sold.  Orders for the next
batch can be placed in fall for delivery 2010 at the price of $275.
Or you can have one now and be the talk of the town.

Non Exotic regular stuff:  Ortlieb Bike Packer Classic rear panniers,
black, Excellent condition.  Used only four says.  Too big for my wife
who prefers the front rollers.  $145 delivered.

Pictures: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1153258050.html

Contact Richard Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon
mitch...@onid.orst.edu
(541) 752-0755



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[RBW] Re: Your Riv and the city: lock up tight or second bike?

[mitchelr]

Aerostich Rider Catalog 2009 page A28, Item #4962 "The Screamer" 3.5
OZ $22.00.  Hope that helps.

On Apr 20, 5:40 am, GeorgeS  wrote:
> Query about alarm lock.  I looked at the Aerostich web site and the
> cable alarm system I found weighs 1lb.  Am I looking at the wrong
> product?
>
> On Apr 20, 3:29 am, mitchelr  wrote:
>
> > Keep in sight.  Solid object + any bike frame part + 100db  motion
> > sensor cable lock "Mini-Lock Alarm" from Aerostich, 4 oz. LOUD.
>
> > Small tale: Atlantis parked on a busy main street connected to
> > signpost in front of my lawyer's offfice.  He and I watch out the
> > window as would be thief reaches for the skinny cable, lifts the
> > seemingly flimsy lock to examine it.  Sensor is activated, quiet
> > countdown beeps begin.  Thief looks puzzled for 5 seconds, beep, beep,
> > beep, then S-C-R-E-A-M  Would-be thief ran straight across 4 lanes
> > of traffic rushing both way and contiuned running, as far as we could
> > see, for another block.
>
> > On Apr 18, 10:30 pm, William Henderson 
> > wrote:
>
> > > If the former, perhaps list your setup in 10 words or less.  If the
> > > former, no explanation needed or wanted.
>
> > > Myself: lock up tight (pitlocks, old chain 'round the seat, ulock -
> > > two sometimes)
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[RBW] Re: Your Riv and the city: lock up tight or second bike?

[mitchelr]

Keep in sight.  Solid object + any bike frame part + 100db  motion
sensor cable lock "Mini-Lock Alarm" from Aerostich, 4 oz. LOUD.

Small tale: Atlantis parked on a busy main street connected to
signpost in front of my lawyer's offfice.  He and I watch out the
window as would be thief reaches for the skinny cable, lifts the
seemingly flimsy lock to examine it.  Sensor is activated, quiet
countdown beeps begin.  Thief looks puzzled for 5 seconds, beep, beep,
beep, then S-C-R-E-A-M  Would-be thief ran straight across 4 lanes
of traffic rushing both way and contiuned running, as far as we could
see, for another block.

On Apr 18, 10:30 pm, William Henderson 
wrote:
> If the former, perhaps list your setup in 10 words or less.  If the
> former, no explanation needed or wanted.
>
> Myself: lock up tight (pitlocks, old chain 'round the seat, ulock -
> two sometimes)
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[RBW] Re: Your Riv and the city: lock up tight or second bike?

[mitchelr]

In sight, 100 Decibel Aerostich motion sensor cable lock 4 ozs.

On Apr 18, 10:30 pm, William Henderson 
wrote:
> If the former, perhaps list your setup in 10 words or less.  If the
> former, no explanation needed or wanted.
>
> Myself: lock up tight (pitlocks, old chain 'round the seat, ulock -
> two sometimes)
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[RBW] Thanks to the RBW Owners Bunch

[mitchelr]

As 2008 draws to an end I want to send my sincere thanks to all Riv
folk who keep this little internet oasis of ours green, fragrant and
blooming throughout the year.  I’m an old guy, four decades away from
cycling, no longer agile or swift.  But over the past months, with my
new Atlantis and help from many here - on and off list - I’ve once
more found joy in riding.  And I found good talk, too.  Among the Riv
folk chats and notions, civility is cherished, wit and humor abundant,
and support constant and honest.   We know our limits.  Cycling does
not solve all problems, is no panacea for the world’s troubles.  Ours
are modest pleasures, quietly enjoyed, gentle upon the land.   But for
these, and the good company of this list that makes them possible, I
am most grateful.  Thanks to all and happiest of holidays.

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon

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