Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Jason Fuller]

Agreed, it's a riot that you're bringing both bikes.  You're one of a kind,
Leah.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> What I most love about this is the question was only about whether you
> would take the Platy, *too. *There was never a doubt the Clem was going
> and now you're headed to the North with both bikes. That's some serious
> commitment to Rivendells and riding!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:02:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> One raspberry Platypus inside, a trio of Clems outside. Don’t they just
>> look fun? Let the summer begin!!!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Reminds me of Ralphie's little brother!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKxsOlzuH0k
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> OMG Leah . Go for ride around the neighbourhood like that. If someone
>> asks if you got a new bike, reply "yeah, it's my new pool noodle bike I
>> made in my spare time. It looks great doesn't it ?"  Oh the reaction would
>> be priceless !
>>
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:24:17 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the situation:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, I find personally, as a 61 year old woman, that if I lift my
>>> Cheviot with the stem in my right hand, then reach over the bike and grasp
>>> the middle seat stay in my left hand, at about fender level, the center of
>>> gravity seems more balanced front to rear, and I can lift it more easily. I
>>> have pretty long arms for my height, so the saddle doesn’t get in the way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 5:02:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gotta keep working on that. I might be able to get that Clem up higher
 now. Will report back. 藍


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

 

 You could save the weights and just lift one of your Clems above your
 head :)

 Eric

 On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:37 PM Leah Peterson 
 wrote:

> I did NOT think this long bike would fit, but it does. I just slammed
> the bars and angled the bike. Inched the bucket seat forward a hair. I 
> will
> wrap some pool noodles around the frame, tuck the suitcases around it, and
> boom, done. I’m packing light this year, just bringing some dumbbells
> besides the suitcases so I can keep up my weightlifting routine. The 3
> Clems on the rack will still be at risk, but those I can replace. There’s
> only one raspberry Platypus, and I doubt windows will be smashed in when
> the 3 bait bikes are in view. But still hoping to arrive to and from with
> all 4 Rivendells!
>
> I really appreciate every point of view offered here. You were all
> valuable to me. I love this community.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> That works! Ok forget the part where I changed my mind and said leave
> the Platy home cuz I was right the first time. I think the lesson we all
> can learn here is...don't listen to me! 浪
>
> Joe know-nothing Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 8:29:05 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Ok, here’s the compromise. If this bike is inside the locked van,
>> good enough for me! Can you believe this long bike fit?! Everyone, quick,
>> go buy a Honda Odyssey!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 7:17 AM, Melanie  wrote:
>>
>> If anything untoward happens on vacation, wouldn't you rather it
>> happen to the Clem? Let the Clem be your beausage bike and let the Platy 
>> be
>> your precious.
>>
>>
>> Have a relaxed vacation!
>>
>> Melanie (who is about to go on vacation, sadly sans any Riv at all)
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:08:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the
>>> country to our home states and spend that time with our families. Our 
>>> kids
>>> get out of the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run
>>> wild. I have a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, 
>>> my
>>> Platypus and the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and
>>> with temps 110 in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle
>>> though it is, I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>>
>>> But which ones?
>>>
>>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we
>>> thought it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park.
>>> One moment we were enjoying views from the top of the world 

Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Joe Bernard]

What I most love about this is the question was only about whether you 
would take the Platy, *too. *There was never a doubt the Clem was going and 
now you're headed to the North with both bikes. That's some serious 
commitment to Rivendells and riding! 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:02:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> One raspberry Platypus inside, a trio of Clems outside. Don’t they just 
> look fun? Let the summer begin!!!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Reminds me of Ralphie's little brother!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKxsOlzuH0k
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> OMG Leah . Go for ride around the neighbourhood like that. If someone 
> asks if you got a new bike, reply "yeah, it's my new pool noodle bike I 
> made in my spare time. It looks great doesn't it ?"  Oh the reaction would 
> be priceless !  
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:24:17 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Here is the situation:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>> Leah, I find personally, as a 61 year old woman, that if I lift my 
>> Cheviot with the stem in my right hand, then reach over the bike and grasp 
>> the middle seat stay in my left hand, at about fender level, the center of 
>> gravity seems more balanced front to rear, and I can lift it more easily. I 
>> have pretty long arms for my height, so the saddle doesn’t get in the way. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 5:02:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gotta keep working on that. I might be able to get that Clem up higher 
>>> now. Will report back. 藍
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> You could save the weights and just lift one of your Clems above your 
>>> head :)
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:37 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I did NOT think this long bike would fit, but it does. I just slammed 
 the bars and angled the bike. Inched the bucket seat forward a hair. I 
 will 
 wrap some pool noodles around the frame, tuck the suitcases around it, and 
 boom, done. I’m packing light this year, just bringing some dumbbells 
 besides the suitcases so I can keep up my weightlifting routine. The 3 
 Clems on the rack will still be at risk, but those I can replace. There’s 
 only one raspberry Platypus, and I doubt windows will be smashed in when 
 the 3 bait bikes are in view. But still hoping to arrive to and from with 
 all 4 Rivendells! 

 I really appreciate every point of view offered here. You were all 
 valuable to me. I love this community.
 Leah

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 That works! Ok forget the part where I changed my mind and said leave 
 the Platy home cuz I was right the first time. I think the lesson we all 
 can learn here is...don't listen to me! 浪

 Joe know-nothing Bernard 

 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 8:29:05 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Ok, here’s the compromise. If this bike is inside the locked van, good 
> enough for me! Can you believe this long bike fit?! Everyone, quick, go 
> buy 
> a Honda Odyssey!
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 16, 2021, at 7:17 AM, Melanie  wrote:
>
> If anything untoward happens on vacation, wouldn't you rather it 
> happen to the Clem? Let the Clem be your beausage bike and let the Platy 
> be 
> your precious.
>
>
> Have a relaxed vacation!
>
> Melanie (who is about to go on vacation, sadly sans any Riv at all)
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:08:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country 
>> to our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get 
>> out 
>> of the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I 
>> have a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my 
>> Platypus 
>> and the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with 
>> temps 
>> 110 in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it 
>> is, 
>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>
>> But which ones? 
>>
>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we 
>> thought it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. 
>> One moment we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the 
>> next, 
>> we were in a June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in 
>> front 
>> of us. I worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When 
>> we 

Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Matthew Williams]

Reminds me of Ralphie's little brother!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKxsOlzuH0k




On Jun 17, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Garth  wrote:

> OMG Leah . Go for ride around the neighbourhood like that. If someone 
> asks if you got a new bike, reply "yeah, it's my new pool noodle bike I made 
> in my spare time. It looks great doesn't it ?"  Oh the reaction would be 
> priceless !  
> 
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:24:17 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> Here is the situation:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>> 
>> Leah, I find personally, as a 61 year old woman, that if I lift my Cheviot 
>> with the stem in my right hand, then reach over the bike and grasp the 
>> middle seat stay in my left hand, at about fender level, the center of 
>> gravity seems more balanced front to rear, and I can lift it more easily. I 
>> have pretty long arms for my height, so the saddle doesn’t get in the way. 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 5:02:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Gotta keep working on that. I might be able to get that Clem up higher now. 
>> Will report back. 藍
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> You could save the weights and just lift one of your Clems above your head 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:37 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> I did NOT think this long bike would fit, but it does. I just slammed the 
>>> bars and angled the bike. Inched the bucket seat forward a hair. I will 
>>> wrap some pool noodles around the frame, tuck the suitcases around it, and 
>>> boom, done. I’m packing light this year, just bringing some dumbbells 
>>> besides the suitcases so I can keep up my weightlifting routine. The 3 
>>> Clems on the rack will still be at risk, but those I can replace. There’s 
>>> only one raspberry Platypus, and I doubt windows will be smashed in when 
>>> the 3 bait bikes are in view. But still hoping to arrive to and from with 
>>> all 4 Rivendells! 
>>> 
>>> I really appreciate every point of view offered here. You were all valuable 
>>> to me. I love this community.
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
 
 That works! Ok forget the part where I changed my mind and said leave the 
 Platy home cuz I was right the first time. I think the lesson we all can 
 learn here is...don't listen to me! 浪
 
 Joe know-nothing Bernard 
 
 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 8:29:05 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 Ok, here’s the compromise. If this bike is inside the locked van, good 
 enough for me! Can you believe this long bike fit?! Everyone, quick, go 
 buy a Honda Odyssey!
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jun 16, 2021, at 7:17 AM, Melanie  wrote:
> 
> If anything untoward happens on vacation, wouldn't you rather it happen 
> to the Clem? Let the Clem be your beausage bike and let the Platy be your 
> precious.
 
> 
> Have a relaxed vacation!
> 
> Melanie (who is about to go on vacation, sadly sans any Riv at all)
> 
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:08:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out 
> of the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I 
> have a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my 
> Platypus and the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and 
> with temps 110 in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle 
> though it is, I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
> 
> But which ones? 
> 
> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One 
> moment we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we 
> were in a June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front 
> of us. I worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When 
> we got to Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential 
> downpour I can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select 
> still bears the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then 
> there’s the theft risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our 
> drive), and maybe it’s higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. 
> Oh, and the risk of being knocked over by exuberant little nieces and 
> nephews as we jam our bikes into family garages…
> 
> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
> bring 

Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Leah Peterson]

Lol, it reminded me of a fat-tubed department store bike and it reminded 
Roberta of a kid in a snowsuit. 藍
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:
> 
> 
> No offense intended, it reminded me of this Far Side
> 
> https://www.cardcow.com/841829/far-side-now-that-should-clear-up-few-things-around-here-gary-larson/
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Eric Floden]

No offense intended, it reminded me of this Far Side

https://www.cardcow.com/841829/far-side-now-that-should-clear-up-few-things-around-here-gary-larson/

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Brian Campbell]

I would vote to take it with you. I have a Legolas that I ride regularly 
and travel with attached to the back of my car. Its worth is in the riding, 
not the fetishizing. If it gets stole, you know how to replace it. 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Leah, I can't even imagine your angst if the Platy got stolen!  I'm with 
> Eric...take it on the trip ONLY if you can secure it in your room at 
> night.  Yes, it will be crowded and your family will think you're nuts 
> (about that bike), but they already know that!
>
> If I know I'm going to be traveling through a lot of rain, I remove the 
> seat post, marking it well first so I can get it back to the perfect 
> position.  I stuff a bit of plastic bag in the hole then cover it with the 
> rest of the bag and secure it with a rubber band (wide broccoli type).  
> Storing the saddle/seat post makes for one more thing to fit into the car 
> and in your case 4 things, but you won't have to worry about ruining your 
> leather saddles.
>
> Have a fabulous trip!  Kids "running wild" is the best...all kids need 
> that.  Enjoy your family!
>
> #RivSisters,
> Joyce
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks 
>> are easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. 
>> At least then you can admire them!
>>
>> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
>> worries :)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>>
>>> But which ones? 
>>>
>>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>>> into family garages…
>>>
>>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>>> There’s only one. 
>>>
>>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>>
>>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks for all the thoughts, everyone. I find every one of them useful. I’m 
still undecided, but I’m going to see if my Platy fits in the back of the van 
this week, and if so, can we get our luggage around it? 

Keith, you are so fortunate to live in that territory - I simply cannot imagine 
a more beautiful place. Wild. Free. Breathtaking. We are arriving in the wee 
hours of Saturday morning in Jackson Hole, sleeping at a hotel and then 
continuing up through the park to see the sights Saturday morning. We won’t be 
riding there - Yellowstone always ends up as a quick expedition as we conquer 
the 28 hour drive up to lakes country in Minnesota. We need to take a dedicated 
4 or 5 days to do the real hiking and exploring. At least we get to visit the 
geyser basins, the falls, and see the bison. I’ve read about the reintroduction 
of the wolves (my favorite is a tie between the 06 female and her granddad, 
Wolf 21, The Super Wolf) and would love to see the packs in the Lamar Valley 
one day. [And if anyone would like to whet their appetite for learning about 
the wolves of Yellowstone, here’s a brief article about the Super Wolf here:
 
https://www.salon.com/2015/07/04/the_perfect_wolf_twenty_one_was_a_legend_he_never_lost_a_fight_and_he_never_killed_a_vanquished_rival/

Also, the books by Rick McIntyre are excellent AND this episode from the 
Podcast Snap Judgment, where Rick is interviewed, along with Doug Smith: 
https://www.scpr.org/programs/snap-judgment/2018/06/14/61326/.  ] All that to 
say, it will be tough to coordinate with you, Keith, but I wish I could because 
I’d love to meet you and your wife and hand her the Platypus for a test ride. 
Next time!

Sorry, back on track. You all had excellent points, and that is the problem. 
Still undecided, but grateful for the feedback,
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 13, 2021, at 12:12 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> Leah,
> 
> Yellowstone/Beartooth/Wyoming/Montana is my home territory, so here are my 
> thoughts to hopefully put your mind at ease:
> 
> -  Other than keeping your saddle covered, which is always a good idea, don't 
> worry about summer snow storms.  What most people don't realize is that it's 
> as arid here as it is in Vegas.  As soon as the snow/slush/rain passes (which 
> will be quick), everything will dry quickly.  Rust is mostly a non-issue.  
> Rooftop racks are better than hitch racks if you MUST drive through the rain, 
> because the bikes won't get road spray on them, but they get bug splats 
> otherwise.  But the same truth usually holds:  pull over, take a break, and 
> the roads will dry out in no time.  Another nice thing to know is that hey 
> don't use as much salt on the roads here as they do in other parts of the 
> country where there is less snow but where constant  thaw/freeze cycles and 
> humidity can create really slick conditions.  Beartooth doesn't even get 
> plowed in the winter.  So the worst of the corrosion-inducing elements is 
> also not a worry.
> 
> -  There was some sort of significant societal change in the last year or 
> two, and theft HAS become an issue where it never was before.  It's probably 
> still mostly crimes-of-opportunity rather than organized rackets though.  So 
> cable locks are probably good for most things other than remote trailheads, 
> but I agree with others:  Take your bikes in the hotel room at night, or at 
> least leave the car parked somewhere well-lit.  Also remember that relatively 
> few people realize what a Rivendell is, or recognize how good they are.  And 
> most who do are kindred spirits who are  by nature, less likely to commit 
> bike theft.  $7,000 carbon fiber and full suspension bikes are extremely 
> common out here, where there's a lot of disposable income, or recreation 
> priorities, or both - and THOSE are the bikes that thieves will target first.
> 
> So I say bring the bike you love, and make some memories.  Also, let us know 
> if you end up in Grand Teton or Jackson Hole.  We can steer you to some nice 
> family rides or maybe even join you.  (Also  my wife wants a Platypus and 
> would enjoy seeing yours, I bet.)
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:23:50 PM UTC-6 Yankeebird wrote:
>> Keep your vacation simple. 
>> Bring one bike. 
>> Bring the Clem. 
>> 
>> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
>> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
>> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
>> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
>> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. It's 
>> one less complication.
>> 
>> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
>> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
>> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I would 
>> like to have one with me. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Roberta]

(Continued). Ultimately, which decision will let you to sleep better?

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I know how much you love that bike. If you think you'll pine for it the 
> many weeks you'll be with your family,  if not having it will lessen your 
> enjoyment too much, then bring it.  If you think the Clem will keep you 
> “happy enough” I then bring it, instead, and leave your worries at home. 
>
> Overnight theft is probably the biggest risk, so take the bikes into the 
> room with you and your fears will be greatly reduced.  I've never left my 
> bikes on my rack overnight; they’ve always come into the room with me.  I 
> think just this peace of mind will be enough to help you make your 
> decision. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks 
>> are easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. 
>> At least then you can admire them!
>>
>> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
>> worries :)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>>
>>> But which ones? 
>>>
>>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>>> into family garages…
>>>
>>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>>> There’s only one. 
>>>
>>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>>
>>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Roberta]

Leah,

I know how much you love that bike. If you think you'll pine for it the 
many weeks you'll be with your family,  if not having it will lessen your 
enjoyment too much, then bring it.  If you think the Clem will keep you 
“happy enough” I then bring it, instead, and leave your worries at home. 

Overnight theft is probably the biggest risk, so take the bikes into the 
room with you and your fears will be greatly reduced.  I've never left my 
bikes on my rack overnight; they’ve always come into the room with me.  I 
think just this peace of mind will be enough to help you make your 
decision. 

Roberta

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks are 
> easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. At 
> least then you can admire them!
>
> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
> worries :)
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>
>> But which ones? 
>>
>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>> into family garages…
>>
>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>> There’s only one. 
>>
>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>
>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Joe Bernard]

I'm in the Platy camp. I'm as precious about my bikes as anyone y'all know 
- to a fault that would drive Grant crazy - but he's right, his frames are 
outdoor equipment meant to be ridden on the cool roads you want to ride. 
Raspberry Metallic Platy for the North! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:20:42 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> I'm with Yankeebird. Keep it simple and just bring one bike for yourself.
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:23:50 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Keep your vacation simple. 
>> Bring one bike. 
>> Bring the Clem. 
>>
>> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
>> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
>> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
>> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
>> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
>> It's one less complication.
>>
>> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
>> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
>> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
>> would like to have one with me. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I'm with Yankeebird. Keep it simple and just bring one bike for yourself.

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:23:50 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> Keep your vacation simple. 
> Bring one bike. 
> Bring the Clem. 
>
> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
> It's one less complication.
>
> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
> would like to have one with me. 
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[iamkeith]

Leah,

Yellowstone/Beartooth/Wyoming/Montana is my home territory, so here are my 
thoughts to hopefully put your mind at ease:

-  Other than keeping your saddle covered, which is always a good idea, 
don't worry about summer snow storms.  What most people don't realize is 
that it's as arid here as it is in Vegas.  As soon as the snow/slush/rain 
passes (which will be quick), everything will dry quickly.  Rust is mostly 
a non-issue.  Rooftop racks are better than hitch racks if you MUST drive 
through the rain, because the bikes won't get road spray on them, but they 
get bug splats otherwise.  But the same truth usually holds:  pull over, 
take a break, and the roads will dry out in no time.  Another nice thing to 
know is that hey don't use as much salt on the roads here as they do in 
other parts of the country where there is less snow but where constant  
thaw/freeze cycles and humidity can create really slick conditions.  
Beartooth doesn't even get plowed in the winter.  So the worst of the 
corrosion-inducing elements is also not a worry.

-  There was some sort of significant societal change in the last year or 
two, and theft HAS become an issue where it never was before.  It's 
probably still mostly crimes-of-opportunity rather than organized rackets 
though.  So cable locks are probably good for most things other than remote 
trailheads, but I agree with others:  Take your bikes in the hotel room at 
night, or at least leave the car parked somewhere well-lit.  Also remember 
that relatively few people realize what a Rivendell is, or recognize how 
good they are.  And most who do are kindred spirits who are  by nature, 
less likely to commit bike theft.  $7,000 carbon fiber and full suspension 
bikes are extremely common out here, where there's a lot of disposable 
income, or recreation priorities, or both - and THOSE are the bikes that 
thieves will target first.

So I say bring the bike you love, and make some memories.  Also, let us 
know if you end up in Grand Teton or Jackson Hole.  We can steer you to 
some nice family rides or maybe even join you.  (Also  my wife wants a 
Platypus and would enjoy seeing yours, I bet.)
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:23:50 PM UTC-6 Yankeebird wrote:

> Keep your vacation simple. 
> Bring one bike. 
> Bring the Clem. 
>
> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
> It's one less complication.
>
> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
> would like to have one with me. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Yankeebird]

Keep your vacation simple. 
Bring one bike. 
Bring the Clem. 

On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
It's one less complication.

I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
would like to have one with me. 

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[JAS]

Leah, I can't even imagine your angst if the Platy got stolen!  I'm with 
Eric...take it on the trip ONLY if you can secure it in your room at 
night.  Yes, it will be crowded and your family will think you're nuts 
(about that bike), but they already know that!

If I know I'm going to be traveling through a lot of rain, I remove the 
seat post, marking it well first so I can get it back to the perfect 
position.  I stuff a bit of plastic bag in the hole then cover it with the 
rest of the bag and secure it with a rubber band (wide broccoli type).  
Storing the saddle/seat post makes for one more thing to fit into the car 
and in your case 4 things, but you won't have to worry about ruining your 
leather saddles.

Have a fabulous trip!  Kids "running wild" is the best...all kids need 
that.  Enjoy your family!

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks are 
> easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. At 
> least then you can admire them!
>
> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
> worries :)
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>
>> But which ones? 
>>
>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>> into family garages…
>>
>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>> There’s only one. 
>>
>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>
>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Eric Daume]

I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks are
easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. At
least then you can admire them!

My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of
worries :)

Eric

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jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to
> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of
> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have
> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and
> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110
> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is,
> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>
> But which ones?
>
> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought it
> would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment we
> were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a
> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I
> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to
> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I
> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears
> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft
> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s
> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being
> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes
> into family garages…
>
> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever
> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to
> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But
> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced.
> There’s only one.
>
> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every
> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a
> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe
> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I
> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING
> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS
> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>
> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 

But which ones? 

I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought it 
would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment we 
were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
into family garages…

The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
There’s only one. 

Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.

Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
Thanks!
Leah

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