[RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-10 Thread Patrick Moore
I just disassembled the '99 gofast; the first complete disassembly in 19
years. 13,509 miles (I know; it got ridden less than the others in many
years). Phil hub bearings as new; Tange Rollerball hs as new; Phil bb a bit
scrunchy. I'll have the hubs and bb bearings replaced or renewed in any
event. Found a very slight warp in the front wheel, which I will let the
shop true since the nipples are aluminum and old.

Weight of frame, fork, and Rollerball headset: 6.2 lb; minus the headset,
that means as close as nevermind to 6 lb even for a 57 cm frame with very
long head and steerer tubes. Not bad!

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[RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-10 Thread nash5510
I've never heard of gofast bikes.  Is it a custom? 

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[RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread truegolden
Not bad indeed Patrick!

 

I expect you will be glad to get it back on the road soon.

It makes me recall my Joe Starck built Riv Road bike from the same year.

 

I called it my triple Joe as it was built by Joe , painted by Joe Bell

and  had wheels built by master wheelbuilder Joe Young with Phil hubs.

I wish I had that one back.

 

Speaking of steel frame weights I recently built up a 1980 Centurion Semi Pro

and the 23.5” frame weighed 4.65 and the fork 1.70 for 6.35 lbs total.

Your Joefast is under that one by about 1/3 lb.

 

Makes me wonder what my old Riv Road weighed.

It was a 61 or 62 cm I think and a heavier seat tube

so probably in the range of my Semi Pro.

 

Of course I also am more interested in how a bike rides than saving  a few 
ounces of weight.

 

That said, reading the thread on a sub 20 lb Roadeo got me thinking of dropping 
the weight on one of my bikes

to just 22 lbs. The Centurion is currently at right at 24 I think.

 

Safe pedaling,

 

Paul in Dallas



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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-10 Thread Patrick Moore
It's a Rivendell custom, again, built by Joe Starck and delivered in April,
1999. Grant very graciously acceded to my pleas for a very un-Rivendellian
single-purpose machine (the sole and single purpose being, to have fun
riding it), stripped of all braze ons except dt bottle cage bosses, tho'
the builder did add a little "conceit" in the way of a little wing-shaped
chainstay bridge that no one can see unless you look for it, and a nice
heart cutout on the bottom of the bb shell.

"Gofast" is simply my way of saying "built with no thought for rain or
loads or lights."

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-10 Thread Patrick Moore
BTW, that 6.0 lb is for the bare frame and fork (57 c-c, long steerer and
head tube 'cause it's designed for 559 road wheels that measure 24" to 24
1/2" in diameter compared to 2 1/2" taller for 700C).

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> It's a Rivendell custom, again, built by Joe Starck and delivered in
> April, 1999. Grant very graciously acceded to my pleas for a very
> un-Rivendellian single-purpose machine (the sole and single purpose being,
> to have fun riding it), stripped of all braze ons except dt bottle cage
> bosses, tho' the builder did add a little "conceit" in the way of a little
> wing-shaped chainstay bridge that no one can see unless you look for it,
> and a nice heart cutout on the bottom of the bb shell.
>
> "Gofast" is simply my way of saying "built with no thought for rain or
> loads or lights."
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM,  wrote:
>
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-11 Thread nash5510
Oh, I never knew Rivendell made a model called GoFast.  Very cool.  Not a 
bad weight for a steel frame I guess. 

On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 1:11:18 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It's a Rivendell custom, again, built by Joe Starck and delivered in 
> April, 1999. Grant very graciously acceded to my pleas for a very 
> un-Rivendellian single-purpose machine (the sole and single purpose being, 
> to have fun riding it), stripped of all braze ons except dt bottle cage 
> bosses, tho' the builder did add a little "conceit" in the way of a little 
> wing-shaped chainstay bridge that no one can see unless you look for it, 
> and a nice heart cutout on the bottom of the bb shell.
>
> "Gofast" is simply my way of saying "built with no thought for rain or 
> loads or lights."
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, > wrote:
>
>> I've never heard of gofast bikes.  Is it a custom?
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-11 Thread Philip Williamson
“Gofast” is a slang term for a light, stripped-down road bike. It’s shorthand 
to avoid people saying, “What that bike needs is fenders and a basket!”
Be a great model name along the lines of the Roadeo and Roadini, though.

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread nash5510
Oh, like a road bike.  

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Patrick Moore
I'll let Rivendell use the name for a new model, as long as it looks like
my '99 Joe. ("Joe" is also slang shorthand, not a model name.)

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> “Gofast” is a slang term for a light, stripped-down road bike. It’s
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> basket!”
> Be a great model name along the lines of the Roadeo and Roadini, though.
>
> Philip
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread nash5510
Maybe Joefast.

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Patrick Moore
There ya go!

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> Maybe Joefast.
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Chris in Redding, Ca.
Hey All,
That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike 
frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less 
than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road 
fork it is over six pounds. 

Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Patrick Moore
I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and
figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I
exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and
said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing
on a similar build of his own.

But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned
good in my book.

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> Hey All,
> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike
> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less
> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road
> fork it is over six pounds.
>
> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Bill Lindsay
What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall 
thicknesses would Chauncey have used?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and 
> figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I 
> exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and 
> said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing 
> on a similar build of his own.
>
> But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned 
> good in my book.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
> campr...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike 
>> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less 
>> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road 
>> fork it is over six pounds. 
>>
>> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Patrick Moore
I don't know, I'm afraid. I think that the specs for my customs ('99 and
'03) have been lost and, at any rate, I never asked. Chauncey could tell
me, I'm sure, but I haven't asked. FWIW, he used Tange heat treated
thinwall road tubing for the "road bike for dirt."

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall
> thicknesses would Chauncey have used?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and
>> figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I
>> exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and
>> said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing
>> on a similar build of his own.
>>
>> But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned
>> good in my book.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
>> campr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike
>>> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less
>>> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road
>>> fork it is over six pounds.
>>>
>>> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
>>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Bill Lindsay
Oh, OK.  That not-knowing is what I normally expect from you.  You are 
traditionally much more of a fit/handling/feel person, not a wall-thickness 
fretter.  I was kind of surprised you brought up wall thicknesses at all, 
as it's normally not your thing.  There are lots of folks on the boards 
that you and I frequent who claim to be able to tell the difference between 
7/4/7 and 8/5/8 and insist to know the butt-lengths and taper-lengths on 
every tube.  I think people like you and I are a little bit skeptical that 
those folks really can feel the differences to the level of precision that 
they insist on knowing.  I asked for the details because normally I 
wouldn't expect you to bring up wall-thickness at all.  Carry on.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:06:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't know, I'm afraid. I think that the specs for my customs ('99 and 
> '03) have been lost and, at any rate, I never asked. Chauncey could tell 
> me, I'm sure, but I haven't asked. FWIW, he used Tange heat treated 
> thinwall road tubing for the "road bike for dirt."
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall 
>> thicknesses would Chauncey have used?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and 
>>> figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I 
>>> exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and 
>>> said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing 
>>> on a similar build of his own.
>>>
>>> But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned 
>>> good in my book.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
>>> campr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey All,
 That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike 
 frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less 
 than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown 
 road 
 fork it is over six pounds. 

 Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
 Chris

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Patrick Moore
The sole reason I picked up on Chauncey's remark is that, if I ever get him
to build me a road bike, it's likely to be even lighter than 6.0 f/f. You
are right, I generally focus on how a bike feels and only then, if at all,
move further to find out what tubing or trail or what have you causes that.

But I wholeheartedly retain the option of adding tubing wall thickness to
my list of things to fret about.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Oh, OK.  That not-knowing is what I normally expect from you.  You are
> traditionally much more of a fit/handling/feel person, not a wall-thickness
> fretter.  I was kind of surprised you brought up wall thicknesses at all,
> as it's normally not your thing.  There are lots of folks on the boards
> that you and I frequent who claim to be able to tell the difference between
> 7/4/7 and 8/5/8 and insist to know the butt-lengths and taper-lengths on
> every tube.  I think people like you and I are a little bit skeptical that
> those folks really can feel the differences to the level of precision that
> they insist on knowing.  I asked for the details because normally I
> wouldn't expect you to bring up wall-thickness at all.  Carry on.
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:06:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I don't know, I'm afraid. I think that the specs for my customs ('99 and
>> '03) have been lost and, at any rate, I never asked. Chauncey could tell
>> me, I'm sure, but I haven't asked. FWIW, he used Tange heat treated
>> thinwall road tubing for the "road bike for dirt."
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall
>>> thicknesses would Chauncey have used?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and
 figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I
 exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and
 said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing
 on a similar build of his own.

 But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty
 darned good in my book.

 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
 campr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike
> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less
> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown 
> road
> fork it is over six pounds.
>
> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

2018-02-12 Thread Bill Lindsay
Equal opportunity fretting!  "To wring hands or not to wring hands: THAT is 
the question!"

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The sole reason I picked up on Chauncey's remark is that, if I ever get 
> him to build me a road bike, it's likely to be even lighter than 6.0 f/f. 
> You are right, I generally focus on how a bike feels and only then, if at 
> all, move further to find out what tubing or trail or what have you causes 
> that. 
>
> But I wholeheartedly retain the option of adding tubing wall thickness to 
> my list of things to fret about.
>
>
>

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