[RBW] Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

2018-07-17 Thread T Cal
Oops - should be “bikepacking”

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

2018-07-17 Thread T Cal
I have a relatively new Ti jones plus lwb diamond frame with truss fork and 
rohloff hub.  I already owned several rivs: QB, ram, Clem L, appa/mystery bike, 
Sam Hilbourne.  My Sam is setup as the most off-roadish of the five. To me, the 
Jones rides quite different and has very different capabilities. It is more 
versatile and at least as comfortable.  The jones climbs anything and goes over 
everything. In June I did a week+ mixed terrain backpacking trip in England. 
The jones was fantastic. Any of my rivs would have worked less well - much less 
well on some parts. I love the rivs, but the Jones, to me, is a different 
animal. 

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

2018-07-16 Thread Jonathan D.
Thank you Tony. And please excuse the typo. I meant LWB and
SWB and auto correct must have changed it. Jones discussion of the benefits of 
long chain stays seem to mirror Grant. 

I like the observation of approach. Jones comes from design from suspension 
mountain biking and Grant from road racing with a retro grouch aesthetics. They 
seem to converge in the same space for design with a few variations, disks 
being one. 

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

2018-07-16 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Jonathan,

Not sure about the 'DWB or LEB' but I own a Clementine and a Jones Plus 
(original, now called LWB).  I also have a Saluki which is my daily rider.

In my opinion the SWB vs a MIT Atlantis/Appaloosa is a closer comparison than 
it may look.  There is allot of riding philosophy that lines up really neatly 
between both companies.  The starting points are just very far apart.  Riv 
starts with the original BOBish/somewhat retrogrouch aesthetic with a 
commitment to an all rounder that can be built to suit, Jones comes from a 
competition minded, or at least very high level mountain biking with a bike 
designed from the tires up as a fully integrated package that happens to accel 
at many forms of bike activity.

But to really boil it down I'd say if you have a use or like the idea of 3" 
tires and disc brakes go for the Jones, if you aren't sold on those two 
elements or can't live without the sweet Riv aesthetics go with the Riv.  Both 
bikes certainly will do way more than what most of us are capable of anyway.

Or go my route, keep the Sam (Saluki in my case) set up more pavement oriented 
and get the Jones as your off pavement primary... Then ride both on everything 
and have fun.

I will say that a Jones with 2.35" slicks would probably be my desert 
island/one bike if I ever had to choose.  Especially with the unicrown fork so 
I could run a front basket... Oh and at $1800 complete the SWB Jones is 
practically in Clem territory price wise.

Tony

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

2018-07-15 Thread Jonathan D.
I was curious if anyone has ridden both a Jones DWB is LEB and can compare to a 
Joe or MIT Atlantis. The new SWB complete is $1800 and seems to share some 
design philosophy. Jones on the podcast sounds like Grant talking about bike 
design. Debating how I can fit this in my bike collection and what I would sell 
and where there would be overlap. Thinking of selling my Sam to buy a Jones. 

http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-plus-swb-complete-bicycle/

Podcast

https://www.behindthehandlebarspodcast.com/podcasts/2018/4/18/ep-31-jeff-jones-jones-bikes

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