Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[larson....@gmail.com]

Count me in on the fracas for a green Hunqapillar if it is a 62cm! Always 
thought this would be my dream bike.
Randy in WI

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 5:39:38 PM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Max, 
>
> I will fight you to the death for it.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Max S  wrote:
>
> This thread really makes me want to find a green Hunqapillar to put that 
> bullmoose bar on... 
>
>
> - Max "and this is how we ended up with so many bikes..." in A2
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2484.jpeg][image: 
>> E3DC21C4-E0AA-43EF-91A3-DF38B9CDA3DD.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_2597.jpeg]Thanks P.W. - here are three more.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> I like'em and rode them today.
>>> A couple notes:
>>> 1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem 
>>> (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop
>>> 2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise
>>> 3. No clamp = no slippage there
>>> 4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their own
>>>
>>> I have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup 
>>> handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super 
>>> slack head tube angle.
>>>
>>> Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)
>>> Happy to trade for drops or something 
>>>
>>> Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. 
>>>
>>> -Matthew P
>>> San Diego / Kumeyaay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 6:25 AM P W  wrote:
>>>
 Love that big boy Appa, Randy.

 More photos, please!

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 
 
 I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when 
 the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I 
 initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder 
 pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set 
 my 
 bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and 
 like 
 them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could 
 make 
 them work for all of my riding.
 Randy in WI

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going 
> to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, 
> build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with 
> Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes 
> with the same bar, variety is just more fun. 
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” 
>> and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was 
>> good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on 
>> an 
>> older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. 
>> very 
>> solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll 
>> always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. 
>> I 
>> have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 
>> philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Max,
>>>
>>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>>
>>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>>
>>> Our green bikes should be friends.
>>>
>>> - Philip
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, 
>>> and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward 
>>> extension 
>>> to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on 
>>> the 
>>> QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At 
>>> a 
>>> hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and 
>>> I've 
>>> been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. 
>>> As 
>>> far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving 
>>> city 
>>> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or 
>>> the 
>>> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve 
>>> cars 
>>> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if 
>>> you're 
>>> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 
>>> and 
>>> trail is >45

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[P W]

Max, I will fight you to the death for it.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 18, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Max S  wrote:This thread really makes me want to find a green Hunqapillar to put that bullmoose bar on... - Max "and this is how we ended up with so many bikes..." in A2On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:Thanks P.W. - here are three more.Randy in WIOn Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:I like'em and rode them today.A couple notes:1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise3. No clamp = no slippage there4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their ownI have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super slack head tube angle.Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)Happy to trade for drops or something Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. -Matthew PSan Diego / KumeyaayOn Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 6:25 AM P W  wrote:Love that big boy Appa, Randy.More photos, please!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  wrote:I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set my bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and like them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could make them work for all of my riding.Randy in WIOn Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes with the same bar, variety is just more fun. On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:Max,I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.Clearly we have overlapping tastes!Our green bikes should be friends.- PhilipP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with steering. - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable for my wrists and shoulders. So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct experience with both bars on roughly similar bikes that makes comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding paved t

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[larson....@gmail.com]

Great looking Bombadil and Atlantis!
Randy in WI

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 3:04:40 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Just to add more pics to the thread, here is my Bombadill with Bullmoose 
> bars and my Atlantis with the unpopular Bull bar on a faceplater.
>
> I'm 5'11" with long arms and long legs and the Bullmoose feels comfortable 
> for trails and rough stuff - they are super stiff so they inspire 
> confidence. I don't love the Ourys and might swap em for Ergons (thanks for 
> the tip Randy). I also have a set of Ortho Bars that I've considered 
> swapping out for, but that won't happen just yet.
>
> With the Altantis, there's more wiggle room around height and angle, but 
> honestly I set them up very similarly.
>
> Max
>
> [image: IMG_9921.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_9939.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_8554.jpeg]
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:21:22 AM UTC-6 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> bullmoose bars certainly look cool and have the extra stiffness that's 
>> often welcomed for trail riding... but as others have mentioned, the 
>> biggest downside is the lack of adjustability. The specifics of the bars 
>> have to pretty much match what is needed for your position on the bike, 
>> give or take the slight height adjustment ability. For example, I recently 
>> acquired a set of Tosco-moose bars from another member here, and I had long 
>> been searching for these for my Gus. The length matched the stem length I'd 
>> been using on my standard Tosco bars and Ron's Ortho bars but I miss just a 
>> slight bit of downward angle adjustment that I had with a standard stem. 
>> It's not enough to make them uncomfortable, but it's something to consider.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Brian Turner]

bullmoose bars certainly look cool and have the extra stiffness that's 
often welcomed for trail riding... but as others have mentioned, the 
biggest downside is the lack of adjustability. The specifics of the bars 
have to pretty much match what is needed for your position on the bike, 
give or take the slight height adjustment ability. For example, I recently 
acquired a set of Tosco-moose bars from another member here, and I had long 
been searching for these for my Gus. The length matched the stem length I'd 
been using on my standard Tosco bars and Ron's Ortho bars but I miss just a 
slight bit of downward angle adjustment that I had with a standard stem. 
It's not enough to make them uncomfortable, but it's something to consider.

Brian
Lex KY

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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Max S]

This thread really makes me want to find a green Hunqapillar to put that 
bullmoose bar on... 

- Max "and this is how we ended up with so many bikes..." in A2

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_2484.jpeg][image: 
> E3DC21C4-E0AA-43EF-91A3-DF38B9CDA3DD.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_2597.jpeg]Thanks P.W. - here are three more.
> Randy in WI
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> I like'em and rode them today.
>> A couple notes:
>> 1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem 
>> (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop
>> 2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise
>> 3. No clamp = no slippage there
>> 4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their own
>>
>> I have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup 
>> handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super 
>> slack head tube angle.
>>
>> Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)
>> Happy to trade for drops or something 
>>
>> Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. 
>>
>> -Matthew P
>> San Diego / Kumeyaay
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 6:25 AM P W  wrote:
>>
>>> Love that big boy Appa, Randy.
>>>
>>> More photos, please!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when 
>>> the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I 
>>> initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder 
>>> pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set my 
>>> bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and like 
>>> them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could make 
>>> them work for all of my riding.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going 
 to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, 
 build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with 
 Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes 
 with the same bar, variety is just more fun. 
 On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” 
> and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was 
> good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an 
> older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very 
> solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll 
> always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. 
> I 
> have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>
>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>
>> Our green bikes should be friends.
>>
>> - Philip
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>
>> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and 
>> even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension 
>> to 
>> get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the 
>> QB 
>> to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a 
>> hair 
>> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
>> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As 
>> far 
>> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
>> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or 
>> the 
>> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
>> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if 
>> you're 
>> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 
>> and 
>> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help 
>> with 
>> steering. 
>>
>> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated 
>>> stem. 
>>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose loo

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[James M]

Lovely bullmooses in here.  I have the choco-moose on my Hunq - which I 
love - but I'm intrigued about the possibilities of the bullmoose for trail 
riding...

James

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_2484.jpeg][image: 
> E3DC21C4-E0AA-43EF-91A3-DF38B9CDA3DD.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_2597.jpeg]Thanks P.W. - here are three more.
> Randy in WI
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> I like'em and rode them today.
>> A couple notes:
>> 1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem 
>> (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop
>> 2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise
>> 3. No clamp = no slippage there
>> 4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their own
>>
>> I have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup 
>> handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super 
>> slack head tube angle.
>>
>> Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)
>> Happy to trade for drops or something 
>>
>> Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. 
>>
>> -Matthew P
>> San Diego / Kumeyaay
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 6:25 AM P W  wrote:
>>
>>> Love that big boy Appa, Randy.
>>>
>>> More photos, please!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when 
>>> the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I 
>>> initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder 
>>> pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set my 
>>> bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and like 
>>> them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could make 
>>> them work for all of my riding.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going 
 to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, 
 build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with 
 Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes 
 with the same bar, variety is just more fun. 
 On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” 
> and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was 
> good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an 
> older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very 
> solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll 
> always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. 
> I 
> have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>
>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>
>> Our green bikes should be friends.
>>
>> - Philip
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>
>> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and 
>> even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension 
>> to 
>> get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the 
>> QB 
>> to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a 
>> hair 
>> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
>> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As 
>> far 
>> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
>> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or 
>> the 
>> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
>> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if 
>> you're 
>> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 
>> and 
>> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help 
>> with 
>> steering. 
>>
>> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated 
>>> stem. 
>>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmo

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[P W]

Love that big boy Appa, Randy.More photos, please!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  wrote:I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set my bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and like them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could make them work for all of my riding.Randy in WIOn Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes with the same bar, variety is just more fun. On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:Max,I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.Clearly we have overlapping tastes!Our green bikes should be friends.- PhilipP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with steering. - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable for my wrists and shoulders. So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct experience with both bars on roughly similar bikes that makes comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for me, my body, my riding, now.If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can make a deal. If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars with integrated stems.I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.JimOn Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry about them suddenly slipping.I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back style) so these are a natural, comfortable

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[exliontamer]

Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going to go 
for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, build, 
and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with Albatross 
bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes with the 
same bar, variety is just more fun. 
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i 
> really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, 
> some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older 
> atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid 
> bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have 
> them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig 
> version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>
>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>
>> Our green bikes should be friends.
>>
>> - Philip
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>
>> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and 
>> even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to 
>> get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB 
>> to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair 
>> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
>> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far 
>> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
>> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the 
>> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
>> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're 
>> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and 
>> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with 
>> steering. 
>>
>> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. 
>>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to 
>>> raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of 
>>> inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the 
>>> riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable 
>>> for my wrists and shoulders. 
>>>
>>> So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on 
>>> this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride 
>>> it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my 
>>> Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct 
>>> experience with both bars on *roughly* similar bikes that makes 
>>> comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding 
>>> paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for 
>>> me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking 
>>> at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 
>>>
>>> But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working 
>>> for me, my body, my riding, now.
>>>
>>> *If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell 
>>> me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can 
>>> make a deal.* If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross 
>>> bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars 
>>> with integrated stems.
>>>
>>> I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is 
>>> helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's 
>>> a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> [image: Atlantis.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry 
 about them suddenly slipping.

 I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had 
 straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back 
 style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve 
 probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 

 [image: IMG_9209.jpg]




 On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:

 Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/R

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Stephen]

I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i 
really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, 
some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older 
atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid 
bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have 
them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig 
version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Max,
>
> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>
> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>
> Our green bikes should be friends.
>
> - Philip
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>
> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even 
> my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get 
> low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to 
> make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair 
> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far 
> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the 
> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're 
> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and 
> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with 
> steering. 
>
> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. 
>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to 
>> raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of 
>> inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the 
>> riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable 
>> for my wrists and shoulders. 
>>
>> So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on 
>> this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride 
>> it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my 
>> Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct 
>> experience with both bars on *roughly* similar bikes that makes 
>> comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding 
>> paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for 
>> me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking 
>> at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 
>>
>> But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for 
>> me, my body, my riding, now.
>>
>> *If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell 
>> me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can 
>> make a deal.* If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross 
>> bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars 
>> with integrated stems.
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is 
>> helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's 
>> a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> [image: Atlantis.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry 
>>> about them suddenly slipping.
>>>
>>> I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had 
>>> straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back 
>>> style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve 
>>> probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9209.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
>>> bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
>>> came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
>>> for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
>>> comfortable for commuting.  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

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Max,I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.Clearly we have overlapping tastes!Our green bikes should be friends.- PhilipP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with steering. - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable for my wrists and shoulders. So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct experience with both bars on roughly similar bikes that makes comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for me, my body, my riding, now.If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can make a deal. If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars with integrated stems.I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.JimOn Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry about them suddenly slipping.I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're comfortable for commuting. 



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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Max S]

What a lovely Bontrager you got there!! 

- Max "green bikes are cool" in A2

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:06:28 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Have them on an old Bontrager CX, and love everything about the fit and 
> reach:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:56 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>
> Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
> bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
> came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
> for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
> comfortable for commuting.  
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[RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[exliontamer]

Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
comfortable for commuting. 

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