Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk sneaker,
but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the ankles.

--ben

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+, recommended
> by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals and shoes,
> so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with ~50 miles
> on them.
>
> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, semi-platform/semi-rat
> trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I just paid $19.99 + tax
> for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my general-wear boat shoes but with
> lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>
> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very
> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently by
> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust
> colored, too).
>
> Live 'n' learn.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Patrick Moore]

Target, my good man. Always Target.

Patrick "Target never lets you down" Moore, who has no more details to
give, alas. They were hanging on hooks, looked like what I want, and after
trying them on, I paid for them.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:25 AM Benjamin L. Kelley <
benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk sneaker,
> but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the ankles.
>
> --ben
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+, recommended
>> by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals and shoes,
>> so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with ~50 miles
>> on them.
>>
>> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, semi-platform/semi-rat
>> trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I just paid $19.99 + tax
>> for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my general-wear boat shoes but with
>> lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>>
>> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very
>> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently by
>> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust
>> colored, too).
>>
>> Live 'n' learn.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Also forgot to add,  I ride in Adidas OG Gazelle's.
Great durability(They are my only shoe and I replace them about every year
once the soles wear out), great pedal grip, soft rubber low tread.
Fit is a bit narrow on them tho, so they require a bit more break in than
most.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Benjamin L. Kelley <
benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk sneaker,
> but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the ankles.
>
> --ben
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+, recommended
>> by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals and shoes,
>> so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with ~50 miles
>> on them.
>>
>> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, semi-platform/semi-rat
>> trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I just paid $19.99 + tax
>> for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my general-wear boat shoes but with
>> lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>>
>> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very
>> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently by
>> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust
>> colored, too).
>>
>> Live 'n' learn.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, one detail, perhaps more interesting than useful. I bought 2 slightly
expensive pairs of dedicated cycling shoes at the nearby bike shop, full
retail. One those Five Tens at list $150, t'other Specialized or somesuch
"plimsoll" style SPD shoes with flat bottoms for occasions when I want to
ride, but also must walk and stand around for longish periods; these $100?
$150?

At any rate -- this is the detail -- both of the cycling shoes were very
undersized per my usual experience; I bought 11s in one and 10.5s in the
other, while my normal is 10. These cheap Target sneakers fit largish at 10
-- 10.5 was too big with thickish socks.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:27 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Target, my good man. Always Target.
>
> Patrick "Target never lets you down" Moore, who has no more details to
> give, alas. They were hanging on hooks, looked like what I want, and after
> trying them on, I paid for them.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:25 AM Benjamin L. Kelley <
> benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk sneaker,
>> but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the ankles.
>>
>> --ben
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+,
>>> recommended by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals
>>> and shoes, so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with
>>> ~50 miles on them.
>>>
>>> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, semi-platform/semi-rat
>>> trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I just paid $19.99 + tax
>>> for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my general-wear boat shoes but with
>>> lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>>>
>>> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very
>>> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently by
>>> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust
>>> colored, too).
>>>
>>> Live 'n' learn.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Thanks.
Looked on their site,  they appear to be the Men's Park Sneakers by
Goodfellow & Co.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Target, my good man. Always Target.
>
> Patrick "Target never lets you down" Moore, who has no more details to
> give, alas. They were hanging on hooks, looked like what I want, and after
> trying them on, I paid for them.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:25 AM Benjamin L. Kelley <
> benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk sneaker,
>> but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the ankles.
>>
>> --ben
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+,
>>> recommended by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals
>>> and shoes, so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with
>>> ~50 miles on them.
>>>
>>> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, semi-platform/semi-rat
>>> trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I just paid $19.99 + tax
>>> for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my general-wear boat shoes but with
>>> lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>>>
>>> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very
>>> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently by
>>> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust
>>> colored, too).
>>>
>>> Live 'n' learn.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Mike Packard]

I like the simple canvas sneakers too, but usually find them too narrow. I 
recently learned that some Converse and Vans now come in wide; I got the 
Converse and they make nice riding shoes. (Closer to $60 but still cheaper 
than 510s).

Mike


On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Thanks.
> Looked on their site,  they appear to be the Men's Park Sneakers by 
> Goodfellow & Co.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Target, my good man. Always Target.
>>
>> Patrick "Target never lets you down" Moore, who has no more details to 
>> give, alas. They were hanging on hooks, looked like what I want, and after 
>> trying them on, I paid for them.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:25 AM Benjamin L. Kelley  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk 
>>> sneaker, but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the ankles.
>>>
>>> --ben
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+, 
 recommended by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals 
 and shoes, so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with 
 ~50 miles on them.

 I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, 
 semi-platform/semi-rat trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I 
 just paid $19.99 + tax for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my 
 general-wear boat shoes but with lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.

 These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very 
 sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently 
 by 
 the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust 
 colored, too).

 Live 'n' learn.



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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Patrick Moore]

These Target shoes are pretty wide and big for the marked size; again, 10
fits looser on my medium width foot than an 11 in the mountain bike shoes,
both tried with winter socks. And, $19.99.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 9:18 PM Mike Packard  wrote:

> I like the simple canvas sneakers too, but usually find them too narrow. I
> recently learned that some Converse and Vans now come in wide; I got the
> Converse and they make nice riding shoes. (Closer to $60 but still cheaper
> than 510s).
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> Thanks.
>> Looked on their site,  they appear to be the Men's Park Sneakers by
>> Goodfellow & Co.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Target, my good man. Always Target.
>>>
>>> Patrick "Target never lets you down" Moore, who has no more details to
>>> give, alas. They were hanging on hooks, looked like what I want, and after
>>> trying them on, I paid for them.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:25 AM Benjamin L. Kelley <
>>> benjami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk
 sneaker, but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the 
 ankles.

 --ben

 On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+,
> recommended by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both pedals
> and shoes, so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss with
> ~50 miles on them.
>
> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal,
> semi-platform/semi-rat trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes I
> just paid $19.99 + tax for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my
> general-wear boat shoes but with lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>
> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very
> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently 
> by
> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust
> colored, too).
>
> Live 'n' learn.
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Gabriel DeFelippis]

Birkenstocks have been my go-to for summer riding. I have the suede 
versions that are probably better than the thicker leather ones.
I'd like to keep this going as long as I can so I'll need to get the wool 
socks out soonish.

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> These Target shoes are pretty wide and big for the marked size; again, 10 
> fits looser on my medium width foot than an 11 in the mountain bike shoes, 
> both tried with winter socks. And, $19.99.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 9:18 PM Mike Packard  wrote:
>
>> I like the simple canvas sneakers too, but usually find them too narrow. 
>> I recently learned that some Converse and Vans now come in wide; I got the 
>> Converse and they make nice riding shoes. (Closer to $60 but still cheaper 
>> than 510s).
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Looked on their site,  they appear to be the Men's Park Sneakers by 
>>> Goodfellow & Co.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Target, my good man. Always Target.

 Patrick "Target never lets you down" Moore, who has no more details to 
 give, alas. They were hanging on hooks, looked like what I want, and after 
 trying them on, I paid for them.

 On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:25 AM Benjamin L. Kelley <
 benjami...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Details on these shoes?   They sort of look like the Chrome Truk 
> sneaker, but less aggressive on the side sole and thicker around the 
> ankles.
>
> --ben
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 12:08 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> I spent over $200 on shoes (Five Ten, $150) and pedals ($50+, 
>> recommended by experts) for "no retention" pedaling, and hated both 
>> pedals 
>> and shoes, so I did the usual and sold them -- as always -- at a loss 
>> with 
>> ~50 miles on them.
>>
>> I went back to the ol' reliable MKS Esprit pedal, 
>> semi-platform/semi-rat trap, with XL/X Deep MKS clips, and for the shoes 
>> I 
>> just paid $19.99 + tax for these hi-tek babies. Somewhat like my 
>> general-wear boat shoes but with lace-up vamps to keep the dirt out.
>>
>> These will slide into and out of the straps very easily, be very 
>> sufficiently supported by the large pedal body and retained sufficiently 
>> by 
>> the serrations, be easy to walk in, and look minimally decent (dust 
>> colored, too).
>>
>> Live 'n' learn.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Tom Wyland]

I bought a pair of Merrell Trail Glove minimalist trail running shoes to 
try with my bike (has bmx pedals).  They are super light and have a "rock 
plate" in the sole that makes it stiff over the arch of the foot.  It 
basically makes it better for supporting your foot on flat pedals. 
Typically these types of "barefoot" shoes have super-flexible soles that 
would not do a good job supporting your foot on the pedals.  I guess the 
'trail" designation means they have a stiffer sole. I was really surprised 
at how well they worked versus Keens or regular running shoes.  Your 
results may vary, but if you see them on sale and they fit, give them a try.

https://www.merrell.com/US/en/trail-glove-6-eco/48686M.html?dwvar_48686M_color=J066763#cgid=run&prefn1=itemStyle&prefv1=BAREFOOT&start=1

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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Thomas Lawn]

I have to second the recommendation for Merrell Trail Glove shoes for flat 
pedal riding. I’d been having all sorts of weird foot numbness and, after 
noticing that my PT was wearing Lem’s and asking about “foot shaped shoes”, 
went to try some on and ended up with some clearance Merrell Trail Glove 5s and 
some Astrals.

The Merrells are definitely my favorite flat pedal shoe now, and it’s hard to 
leave them at home and wear anything else. The sole has just enough 
protection/support for riding hard but the shoes are light, roomy, and 
comfortable, even on pedals with aggressive pins that I can feel through the 
lightweight Astral soles. They’re also grippy enough that I can ride pedals 
that don’t have pins like the standard MKS Lambdas.

I like them so much (and don’t wear any of my other shoes anymore…) that I’m 
slowly replacing all my shoes with hippie barefoot shoes, so if someone wears a 
46 or 47 euro and wants some bike and non-bike shoes, shoot me a message.
On Aug 25, 2021, 8:49 AM -0700, Tom Wyland , wrote:
> I bought a pair of Merrell Trail Glove minimalist trail running shoes to try 
> with my bike (has bmx pedals).  They are super light and have a "rock plate" 
> in the sole that makes it stiff over the arch of the foot.  It basically 
> makes it better for supporting your foot on flat pedals. Typically these 
> types of "barefoot" shoes have super-flexible soles that would not do a good 
> job supporting your foot on the pedals.  I guess the 'trail" designation 
> means they have a stiffer sole. I was really surprised at how well they 
> worked versus Keens or regular running shoes.  Your results may vary, but if 
> you see them on sale and they fit, give them a try.
>
> https://www.merrell.com/US/en/trail-glove-6-eco/48686M.html?dwvar_48686M_color=J066763#cgid=run&prefn1=itemStyle&prefv1=BAREFOOT&start=1
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Benjamin Park]

Agree on the minimalist shoes and flat pedals. I wear Xero shoes. They are 
wonderful and grip well. Enough sole but not too much.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 11:58:17 AM UTC-4 thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have to second the recommendation for Merrell Trail Glove shoes for flat 
> pedal riding. I’d been having all sorts of weird foot numbness and, after 
> noticing that my PT was wearing Lem’s and asking about “foot shaped shoes”, 
> went to try some on and ended up with some clearance Merrell Trail Glove 5s 
> and some Astrals.
>
> The Merrells are definitely my favorite flat pedal shoe now, and it’s hard 
> to leave them at home and wear anything else. The sole has just enough 
> protection/support for riding hard but the shoes are light, roomy, and 
> comfortable, even on pedals with aggressive pins that I can feel through 
> the lightweight Astral soles. They’re also grippy enough that I can ride 
> pedals that don’t have pins like the standard MKS Lambdas.
>
> I like them so much (and don’t wear any of my other shoes anymore…) that 
> I’m slowly replacing all my shoes with hippie barefoot shoes, so if someone 
> wears a 46 or 47 euro and wants some bike and non-bike shoes, shoot me a 
> message.
> On Aug 25, 2021, 8:49 AM -0700, Tom Wyland , wrote:
>
> I bought a pair of Merrell Trail Glove minimalist trail running shoes to 
> try with my bike (has bmx pedals).  They are super light and have a "rock 
> plate" in the sole that makes it stiff over the arch of the foot.  It 
> basically makes it better for supporting your foot on flat pedals. 
> Typically these types of "barefoot" shoes have super-flexible soles that 
> would not do a good job supporting your foot on the pedals.  I guess the 
> 'trail" designation means they have a stiffer sole. I was really surprised 
> at how well they worked versus Keens or regular running shoes.  Your 
> results may vary, but if you see them on sale and they fit, give them a 
> try. 
>
>
> https://www.merrell.com/US/en/trail-glove-6-eco/48686M.html?dwvar_48686M_color=J066763#cgid=run&prefn1=itemStyle&prefv1=BAREFOOT&start=1
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Patrick Moore]

This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again, for
clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide. They
are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought
earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run
2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a
thicker insole.

Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat,
no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.

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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Garth]

Talking about a "best shoe" reminds me chain lube discussions !  What's 
common to all ?  That "what works" has no limits and is not bound to any 
particular form. Endless Creativity abounds. .   .  . and that's pretty 
darn awesome ! 
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again, 
> for clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide. 
> They are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought 
> earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run 
> 2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a 
> thicker insole.
>
> Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat, 
> no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[RichS]

Patrick,

If I recall you wanted shoes that would be compatible with toe clips. Glad 
you found your solution at Target (Their Goodfellow brand is decent in the 
u-wear category too).
I've been through the same spendy exercise as you in search of a toe clip 
compatible shoe. Currently using MKS touring pedals with Five Tens which is 
a fairly grippy combination. If I decide to put on the clips and straps I 
will pay a visit to Target:-)

Sidebar: in the Henry Wildeberry videos note that Ms. Cools wears a 
plimsoll on brevets!

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:28:44 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Talking about a "best shoe" reminds me chain lube discussions !  What's 
> common to all ?  That "what works" has no limits and is not bound to any 
> particular form. Endless Creativity abounds. .   .  . and that's pretty 
> darn awesome ! 
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again, 
>> for clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide. 
>> They are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought 
>> earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run 
>> 2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a 
>> thicker insole.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat, 
>> no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Patrick Moore]

If you're not fretting about something, you're not living.
Thucydides, *Middlemarch*

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:28 AM Garth  wrote:

> Talking about a "best shoe" reminds me chain lube discussions !  What's
> common to all ?  That "what works" has no limits and is not bound to any
> particular form. Endless Creativity abounds. .   .  . and that's pretty
> darn awesome !
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again,
>> for clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide.
>> They are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought
>> earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run
>> 2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a
>> thicker insole.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat,
>> no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.
>>
>

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