[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Garth]

Kushan, You can get custom builds straight from Velocity for $450 straight 
gauge/$480 double butted spokes with their ATB hubs(black powdercoat only 
if that matters). They offer off-menu(phone is best) the Cliffhanger in 
non-machined, non-polished silver.

http://store.velocityusa.com/c/wheels_touring

Also, email Rich @Riv and see what he can do for you with either 
Cliffhangers or whatever other rims he may have. You never know unless you 
ask ! With Deore hubs they're entirely reasonable. 

I wouldn't bother with Atlas rims either as the wider rim is more 
beneficial for the tires you want to run. Cliffhangers aren't overkill for 
your purposes at all. I'd call a rim that weighs say 900g like a Ryde Andra 
30 overkill. 
On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:01:37 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I am looking for some 700c wheel recommendations for an Appaloosa build 
> project. I plan to use it for everyday recreational riding and long weekend 
> rides (50-100 miles). While most of my riding will be on paved roads, I 
> don't want to worry if I hit an occasional dirt or gravel patch on the way 
> (I currently ride a Roadini and off road riding isn't very confidence 
> inspiring). I don't plan to carry much weight on the bike but I am a heavy 
> fella (200+ lbs) so the wheel effectively will end up carrying some weight. 
> I plan to set it up as tubed but, if possible, would like to try tubeless 
> conversion in future as well (though this is not a dealbreaker). I plan to 
> run 48 - 50 mm tires. 
>
> Custom builds are out of budget so I am looking for some recommendation on 
> full wheelsets (new or used). My current top contender is Velocity 
> Cliffhangers 
> .
>  
> While this checks all the boxes above, my main concern is whether they are 
> overkill for my mostly payment riding style. 
>
> Best
> Kushan 
>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[lconley]

Velocity will also make rims for you that are not listed - extra spoke 
holes, polished, etc. I am overweight and like 40 and 48 spoke rims and 
polished rims which they will happily do with the next batch of rims that 
make. No extra cost for the non-standard spoke hole drillings, you just 
need to wait for the next production run. I have polished 36 spoke 650B 
Quills, polished 40 spoke 650B Cliffhangers and polished 48 spoke 650B 
Cliffhangers.

Laing

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 8:05:53 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
> Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
> marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any 
>> tire size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 
>> spokes.  They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but 
>> they’ve been trouble free.
>> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm 
>> tires - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 
>> 50mm.  Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, 
>> and also trouble free.
>>
>> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
>> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
>> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
>> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
>> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
>> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the 
>> Atlas.  Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also 
>> come with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Joe M.]

I’m running Dyads tubeless on my new Sam. Set them up with a double wrap of 
Gorilla tape. They seated about as easily as one could hope for when I set 
them up. So far so good! I have the ultralight Ultradynamico 42mm tires. 
Ran over some glass today and sealant started spraying all over from the 
rear tire. Stopped the leak with my finger and less than a minute later I 
was back up and riding. Made it home without needing to add more air to the 
tire.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 8:32:46 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> I've used 700c Dyads, Atlases, and Cliffhangers on my 62 Appaloosa and 62 
> Sam. I'm a pretty lean fella. On the Sam I definitely preferred the Dyads, 
> being more of a roadish bike and having 44mm tires. But for the Appaloosa 
> (and my Clems for that matter) I pretty much swear by Cliffhangers now. The 
> Atlas is an excellent rim but in my opinion you get more with the 
> Cliffhanger. The weight difference as compared to the Atlas is really 
> negligible, especially if you go tubeless on the Cliffhangers. And if you 
> don't want to, well you can down the road if you change your mind. The 
> Cliffhangers are stiffer and they also work great with the range of tire 
> widths that I have found to be ideal for the Appaloosa (48-54ish). Bonus: 
> you get some extra width from the tire as compared to the Atlas. Good Luck!
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:28 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> Kushan,
>>
>> I am a very big fan of Velocity rims (A23s, Dyads, Fusions).  My latest 
>> wheelbuild used Velocity Quills (36H).  I use them on a monster cross bike 
>> and they are much more laterally stiff vs. the A23s (as Velocity so 
>> indicates).  Point and go and steering is dead-on.  Tough, I've taken them 
>> over rough off-road terrain.  Quills can handle tubeless tires in the range 
>> you are looking for (I am currently running 43mm Panaracer GravelKing SSs).
>>
>> On another note I have found it very difficult to buy Velocity Quills 
>> (out of stock).  I resorted to purchasing what was available and I just 
>> received a pair of DTSwiss R460 rim-brake rims.  Dead-ringer for the Quills 
>> as far as profile goes.  Per the sticker on the rim, it says it can 
>> accomodate up to 56mm wide tires tubed or tubeless.  I paid just under $56 
>> for each.  32 hole max only, though.  Have your local bike shop build them 
>> up for you - just another option.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jeff 
>>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:01:37 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - 
>>>
>>> I am looking for some 700c wheel recommendations for an Appaloosa build 
>>> project. I plan to use it for everyday recreational riding and long weekend 
>>> rides (50-100 miles). While most of my riding will be on paved roads, I 
>>> don't want to worry if I hit an occasional dirt or gravel patch on the way 
>>> (I currently ride a Roadini and off road riding isn't very confidence 
>>> inspiring). I don't plan to carry much weight on the bike but I am a heavy 
>>> fella (200+ lbs) so the wheel effectively will end up carrying some weight. 
>>> I plan to set it up as tubed but, if possible, would like to try tubeless 
>>> conversion in future as well (though this is not a dealbreaker). I plan to 
>>> run 48 - 50 mm tires. 
>>>
>>> Custom builds are out of budget so I am looking for some recommendation 
>>> on full wheelsets (new or used). My current top contender is Velocity 
>>> Cliffhangers 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> While this checks all the boxes above, my main concern is whether they are 
>>> overkill for my mostly payment riding style. 
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Kushan 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Bones]

I've used 700c Dyads, Atlases, and Cliffhangers on my 62 Appaloosa and 62 
Sam. I'm a pretty lean fella. On the Sam I definitely preferred the Dyads, 
being more of a roadish bike and having 44mm tires. But for the Appaloosa 
(and my Clems for that matter) I pretty much swear by Cliffhangers now. The 
Atlas is an excellent rim but in my opinion you get more with the 
Cliffhanger. The weight difference as compared to the Atlas is really 
negligible, especially if you go tubeless on the Cliffhangers. And if you 
don't want to, well you can down the road if you change your mind. The 
Cliffhangers are stiffer and they also work great with the range of tire 
widths that I have found to be ideal for the Appaloosa (48-54ish). Bonus: 
you get some extra width from the tire as compared to the Atlas. Good Luck!

Bones

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:28 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Kushan,
>
> I am a very big fan of Velocity rims (A23s, Dyads, Fusions).  My latest 
> wheelbuild used Velocity Quills (36H).  I use them on a monster cross bike 
> and they are much more laterally stiff vs. the A23s (as Velocity so 
> indicates).  Point and go and steering is dead-on.  Tough, I've taken them 
> over rough off-road terrain.  Quills can handle tubeless tires in the range 
> you are looking for (I am currently running 43mm Panaracer GravelKing SSs).
>
> On another note I have found it very difficult to buy Velocity Quills (out 
> of stock).  I resorted to purchasing what was available and I just received 
> a pair of DTSwiss R460 rim-brake rims.  Dead-ringer for the Quills as far 
> as profile goes.  Per the sticker on the rim, it says it can accomodate up 
> to 56mm wide tires tubed or tubeless.  I paid just under $56 for each.  32 
> hole max only, though.  Have your local bike shop build them up for you - 
> just another option.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff 
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:01:37 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi all - 
>>
>> I am looking for some 700c wheel recommendations for an Appaloosa build 
>> project. I plan to use it for everyday recreational riding and long weekend 
>> rides (50-100 miles). While most of my riding will be on paved roads, I 
>> don't want to worry if I hit an occasional dirt or gravel patch on the way 
>> (I currently ride a Roadini and off road riding isn't very confidence 
>> inspiring). I don't plan to carry much weight on the bike but I am a heavy 
>> fella (200+ lbs) so the wheel effectively will end up carrying some weight. 
>> I plan to set it up as tubed but, if possible, would like to try tubeless 
>> conversion in future as well (though this is not a dealbreaker). I plan to 
>> run 48 - 50 mm tires. 
>>
>> Custom builds are out of budget so I am looking for some recommendation 
>> on full wheelsets (new or used). My current top contender is Velocity 
>> Cliffhangers 
>> .
>>  
>> While this checks all the boxes above, my main concern is whether they are 
>> overkill for my mostly payment riding style. 
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Jeffrey Arita]

Kushan,

I am a very big fan of Velocity rims (A23s, Dyads, Fusions).  My latest 
wheelbuild used Velocity Quills (36H).  I use them on a monster cross bike 
and they are much more laterally stiff vs. the A23s (as Velocity so 
indicates).  Point and go and steering is dead-on.  Tough, I've taken them 
over rough off-road terrain.  Quills can handle tubeless tires in the range 
you are looking for (I am currently running 43mm Panaracer GravelKing SSs).

On another note I have found it very difficult to buy Velocity Quills (out 
of stock).  I resorted to purchasing what was available and I just received 
a pair of DTSwiss R460 rim-brake rims.  Dead-ringer for the Quills as far 
as profile goes.  Per the sticker on the rim, it says it can accomodate up 
to 56mm wide tires tubed or tubeless.  I paid just under $56 for each.  32 
hole max only, though.  Have your local bike shop build them up for you - 
just another option.

Best regards,

Jeff 

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:01:37 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I am looking for some 700c wheel recommendations for an Appaloosa build 
> project. I plan to use it for everyday recreational riding and long weekend 
> rides (50-100 miles). While most of my riding will be on paved roads, I 
> don't want to worry if I hit an occasional dirt or gravel patch on the way 
> (I currently ride a Roadini and off road riding isn't very confidence 
> inspiring). I don't plan to carry much weight on the bike but I am a heavy 
> fella (200+ lbs) so the wheel effectively will end up carrying some weight. 
> I plan to set it up as tubed but, if possible, would like to try tubeless 
> conversion in future as well (though this is not a dealbreaker). I plan to 
> run 48 - 50 mm tires. 
>
> Custom builds are out of budget so I am looking for some recommendation on 
> full wheelsets (new or used). My current top contender is Velocity 
> Cliffhangers 
> .
>  
> While this checks all the boxes above, my main concern is whether they are 
> overkill for my mostly payment riding style. 
>
> Best
> Kushan 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[David Person]

I run Dyads with RH Snoqualmie Pass tires (41mm actual width) on my Sam.  
Great rims unless you are planning to run tubeless.  It that case I'd opt 
for Velocity Quill rims.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:09:04 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> I have a Shimano dynamo /Velocity dyad wheelset and a deore/ velocity 
> synergy wheelset.  I really only need one, so if you’d like to work 
> something out, contact me off list. If you happen to be in the bay area, 
> you’re welcome to try either out. 
>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard
> Owner/Winemaker
> Phantômé Cellars
>
> phantomecellars.com 
>
> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>
> On May 14, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
> Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
> marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any 
>> tire size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 
>> spokes.  They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but 
>> they’ve been trouble free.
>> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm 
>> tires - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 
>> 50mm.  Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, 
>> and also trouble free.
>>
>> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
>> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
>> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
>> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
>> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
>> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the 
>> Atlas.  Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also 
>> come with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Brendan Willard]

I have a Shimano dynamo /Velocity dyad wheelset and a deore/ velocity synergy 
wheelset.  I really only need one, so if you’d like to work something out, 
contact me off list. If you happen to be in the bay area, you’re welcome to try 
either out. 

>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
phantomecellars.com 

Speaking in Thumbs 👍

> On May 14, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
> Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
> marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.
> 
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any tire 
>> size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 spokes.  They 
>> are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but they’ve been 
>> trouble free.
>> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm tires - 
>> I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 50mm.  
>> Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, and 
>> also trouble free.
>> 
>> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
>> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
>> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
>> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
>> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
>> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the Atlas.  
>> Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also come 
>> with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Philip Barrett]

Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any tire 
> size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 spokes.  
> They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but they’ve 
> been trouble free.
> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm tires 
> - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 50mm.  
> Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, and 
> also trouble free.
>
> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the Atlas.  
> Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also come 
> with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[aeroperf]

I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any tire 
size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 spokes.  
They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but they’ve 
been trouble free.
My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm tires 
- I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 50mm.  
Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, and 
also trouble free.

Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the Atlas.  
Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also come 
with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[nus...@gmail.com]

I recently switched from A23's to Cliffhangers on my Toyo Atlantis. I had 
similar concerns that they'd be overkill. Perhaps I'm simply experiencing 
the weight savings going from tubed to tubeless, but my initial impressions 
is that the Cliffhangers feel faster, hold their speed better, and are nice 
stiff wheels. I run 50mm gravel kings on them. I would recommend them.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 3:01:37 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I am looking for some 700c wheel recommendations for an Appaloosa build 
> project. I plan to use it for everyday recreational riding and long weekend 
> rides (50-100 miles). While most of my riding will be on paved roads, I 
> don't want to worry if I hit an occasional dirt or gravel patch on the way 
> (I currently ride a Roadini and off road riding isn't very confidence 
> inspiring). I don't plan to carry much weight on the bike but I am a heavy 
> fella (200+ lbs) so the wheel effectively will end up carrying some weight. 
> I plan to set it up as tubed but, if possible, would like to try tubeless 
> conversion in future as well (though this is not a dealbreaker). I plan to 
> run 48 - 50 mm tires. 
>
> Custom builds are out of budget so I am looking for some recommendation on 
> full wheelsets (new or used). My current top contender is Velocity 
> Cliffhangers 
> .
>  
> While this checks all the boxes above, my main concern is whether they are 
> overkill for my mostly payment riding style. 
>
> Best
> Kushan 
>

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