[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Why do you think Grant carries hatchets? Grin. I'm no help for what may or may not work on the bike. However, what you describe sounds like condramylagia (sp?), which I got growing up and had two surgeries for by the time I was 17. Basically, the cartilage under the knee cap is tearing. Here is what helped mine: -- muscle strengthening. I do squats, very slow up and down. As well as trail run and bike regularly. As your quads build up, the pain should decrease significantly. -- real bone broth. We have this regularly year round. Simmer bones in a pot for 24 hours with a tablespoon of vinegar. Once the broth is gone, repeat. Till the bones are gone (or we eat them). This gives your body the raw building materials for structural healing, bones, tendons, etc. We use oxtail. -- Walk and run with better alignment and motion. I don't know if this can be done other ways or not, but I know going barefoot as often as possible does this. Heal well! With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:39:18 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short > cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. > > Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced > pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is > bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's > riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two > ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth > between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the > height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, > but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely > steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of > driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I > dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to > finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my > right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. > > Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... > > here's the most previous thread I looked at > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
I had knee pain and I found I needed to stretch my Iliotibial band (otherly known as the IT Band). An internet search of IT band stretches will provide plenty of variety. Try stretching it out before and after rides. It is a free solution that might work. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Whatever else is going on, it is probably swollen, even if not visibly. Start with cold packs to reduce that. Pain is nature's way of telling us to stop. Heed it. Consult with a really good (do your research) physical therapist or chiropractor might be your second response. Be kind to you Self. Have you ever heard the one about the man accosted at gun point and asked, "your money or your life?" He thought for a moment and said, "You better take my life, I need the money for my old age." This is not a time to save your money. Michael On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:39:18 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short > cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. > > Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced > pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is > bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's > riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two > ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth > between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the > height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, > but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely > steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of > driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I > dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to > finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my > right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. > > Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... > > here's the most previous thread I looked at > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Och! No! R.I.C.E. does nothing but inhibit the body's natural healing mechanisms (increased blood flow to bring nourishment and haul away the refuse). The "inventor" of R.I.C.E. essentially calls it bunk. http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/ice-age-melting-rice-may-no-longer-be-the-treatment-of-choice-for-injuries/ With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:39:18 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short > cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. > > Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced > pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is > bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's > riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two > ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth > between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the > height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, > but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely > steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of > driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I > dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to > finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my > right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. > > Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... > > here's the most previous thread I looked at > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Dang, I just tried to send a response with lotsa detail, and it crashed and I lost it, so here's the short versionL Raise you saddle to compensate for the pedal height diff. You aren't getting enough leg extension, and consequently the back of your kneecap is rubbing on the cartilage and causing inflamation which leads to more rubbing and the pain. Go up and down stairs.If it hurts, then so far this diagnosis is correct. It came on suddenly, and it'll go away in two days max if you let the swelling go down and don't continue the hard low-saddle pedaling. It's a saddle height thing, which is much better than a "what's happening to LIESL ??!!" thing. That's my guess. On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short > cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. > > Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced > pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is > bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's > riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two > ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth > between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the > height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, > but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely > steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of > driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I > dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to > finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my > right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. > > Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... > > here's the most previous thread I looked at > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
I have a very similar pain and I think it would just heal but for a knee high Australian shepherd that crashes into me 200 times a day. On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short > cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. > > Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced > pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is > bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's > riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two > ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth > between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the > height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, > but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely > steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of > driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I > dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to > finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my > right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. > > Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... > > here's the most previous thread I looked at > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
I had the same thing happen to me two seasons ago and it kept me off the bike for nearly 3 months in a knee brace. I was going on my first s240, maybe 160km round trip, and decided to put my brooks on my cross bike, which had a zero setback post. I should note, up until this date I had never had any knee pain at all, ever. Either the change in saddle position front-to-back, or a slightly off saddle height (or both!) caused some problems and by the next day I couldn't even put weight on the dumb thing. I had x-rays and went to a physiotherapist for three months before it finally cleared up. For me, it was the fact that I don't do any exercise other than riding bike. Just riding bike all day every day. Turns out that's a bad idea. Only riding a bike will result in some pretty skewed muscle growth, and if you don't stretch a lot, a tightened IT Band. The pain was the result of my knee cap being pulled over to one side as a result of imbalanced muscle development and a tight it band. A combination of selected leg stretches, simple leg exercises (a few different squats, lunges, planks, a few others) and some time on an IT band roller (akin to the 7th level of hell) and I've never had pain again. At times I'll sense that the pain is starting to come back, but 15 minutes of stretches and a few squats and it's gone. On Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:35:54 PM UTC-5, grant wrote: > > Dang, I just tried to send a response with lotsa detail, and it crashed > and I lost it, so here's the short versionL > > Raise you saddle to compensate for the pedal height diff. You aren't > getting enough leg extension, and consequently the back of your kneecap is > rubbing on the cartilage and causing inflamation which leads to more > rubbing and the pain. Go up and down stairs.If it hurts, then so far this > diagnosis is correct. > > It came on suddenly, and it'll go away in two days max if you let the > swelling go down and don't continue the hard low-saddle pedaling. > > It's a saddle height thing, which is much better than a "what's happening > to LIESL ??!!" thing. > > That's my guess. > > On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: >> >> Hi Friends, >> >> I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short >> cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. >> >> Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced >> pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is >> bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's >> riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two >> ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth >> between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the >> height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, >> but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely >> steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of >> driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I >> dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to >> finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my >> right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. >> >> Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... >> >> here's the most previous thread I looked at >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Hi Liesl, It's not just a saddle height thing, it's also a saddle setback thing. If I recall correctly, you're riding a Riv with some major setback from a really slack seat tube. Is that right? A common metric for measuring correct saddle position puts the front of the knee directly above the pedal spindle while the spindle is horizontal. I would suggest you make sure you're coming close to conforming to this standard. If you're having major pain, you need to go see a pro. Ask around locally and find a well trusted bike fitter who works with all types of cyclists, not just racers. This stuff is hard to diagnose online or by yourself. I got a pro fit a few years back when I was riding my Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road. We changed the crank length, saddle height, and saddle setback. I was surprised by how far "off" I was using the best advice I had gathered from the internet. A couple millimeters can make a huge difference! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Squats! Squats helped to rid me of my chronic knee pain that I blamed on: - Low Q - High Q - Crank length - Saddle setback - Foot on pedal position Squats stretch out that whole system. I would also advise trying the "Couch Stretch" from Becoming a Supple Leopard, cobra pose, child pose and many other olympic weightlifting type stretches. My two cents after you get the saddle in place. -J On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:11:37 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: > > I had the same thing happen to me two seasons ago and it kept me off the > bike for nearly 3 months in a knee brace. > > I was going on my first s240, maybe 160km round trip, and decided to put > my brooks on my cross bike, which had a zero setback post. I should note, > up until this date I had never had any knee pain at all, ever. Either the > change in saddle position front-to-back, or a slightly off saddle height > (or both!) caused some problems and by the next day I couldn't even put > weight on the dumb thing. I had x-rays and went to a physiotherapist for > three months before it finally cleared up. > > For me, it was the fact that I don't do any exercise other than riding > bike. Just riding bike all day every day. Turns out that's a bad idea. Only > riding a bike will result in some pretty skewed muscle growth, and if you > don't stretch a lot, a tightened IT Band. The pain was the result of my > knee cap being pulled over to one side as a result of imbalanced muscle > development and a tight it band. A combination of selected leg stretches, > simple leg exercises (a few different squats, lunges, planks, a few others) > and some time on an IT band roller (akin to the 7th level of hell) and I've > never had pain again. > > At times I'll sense that the pain is starting to come back, but 15 minutes > of stretches and a few squats and it's gone. > > On Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:35:54 PM UTC-5, grant wrote: >> >> Dang, I just tried to send a response with lotsa detail, and it crashed >> and I lost it, so here's the short versionL >> >> Raise you saddle to compensate for the pedal height diff. You aren't >> getting enough leg extension, and consequently the back of your kneecap is >> rubbing on the cartilage and causing inflamation which leads to more >> rubbing and the pain. Go up and down stairs.If it hurts, then so far this >> diagnosis is correct. >> >> It came on suddenly, and it'll go away in two days max if you let the >> swelling go down and don't continue the hard low-saddle pedaling. >> >> It's a saddle height thing, which is much better than a "what's happening >> to LIESL ??!!" thing. >> >> That's my guess. >> >> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: >>> >>> Hi Friends, >>> >>> I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short >>> cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. >>> >>> Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced >>> pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is >>> bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's >>> riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two >>> ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth >>> between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the >>> height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, >>> but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely >>> steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of >>> driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I >>> dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to >>> finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my >>> right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. >>> >>> Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... >>> >>> here's the most previous thread I looked at >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Well, pain hasn't subsided after all this time so I went to the doctor. The tentative diagnosis is a torn meniscus. MRI tomorrow morning and an appointment with a sports medicine MD to determine whether I should do PT or have surgery. Over the weekend I talked with Vince at Riv about saddle height. I checked my saddle height and it was maybe a half-inch *high* after all my afore mentioned fiddling around. Unknown if this was the culprit or exasperated an existing condition. I should add that decades of backing up a touring motorcycle from a riding position took its toll as well. (Black 1973 BMW R75/5 with a toaster tank for those inquiring minds) Anyway, keep y'all posted as I know more. In the meantime, still off the bike. Limpingly yours, RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Liesl, Looking back on your original post everyone came though exactly as desired and expected. Unfortunately advice occasionally contradicted even the ever wise Deacon and the extremely intelligent Michael. Even Grant himself weighed in with a logical possibility. Fortunately you are moving forward with your own perspective and trusted your mind and gut. Just curious whether the pain location has centralized more over the last few days towards the inside or outward portion of the knee cap? If the MRI reveals the initial diagnosis of a meniscus tear feel free to contact me off line again or give me a call. My 22 year old daughter has had 3 meniscus surgeries which ended her college volleyball career but with excellent PT she bikes as well as ever and now has essentially no other limitations. Hopeful for a simple, swift, and satisfactory return to your steeds. Sincerely, Ryan "sympathetically concerned yet hopeful" Hankinson Spring Lake, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Good question, Ryan! I would say that while initially I felt the pain to be on the outside/front of my knee, just now it seems more on the inside front just below the kneecap. The knee has been buckling, they felt a lot of fluid under the kneecap, and the pain is punctuated (she says with a good deal of understatement) when extending the lower leg/descending. These are all symptoms. Glad to hear your daughter's tale. Will keep you posted. This is a ridiculous summer of stupid injury for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Liesl, This is not a mutually exclusive pair of afflictions (torn meniscus and bicycling). I had a pretty bad knee injury that among other damage on the surgeon's list included a meniscus tear. They did clip a portion but felt in that the long term I'd fare better if thy didn't clip all of the way to the base of the tear since it would remove too much useful surface. Net outcome for me was an occasional situation such as yours, funny feeling, harder to extend and increased sensitivity/ buckling during episodes. Theory was that some less controlled movement (every knee with a meniscus tear has its own sensitive direction of movement which can turn up the tear-lberated flap of cartilage making an unnatural spot of double thick meniscus) turned up the margin and began the period of affliction. Not being as generous as a Rivendell warranty perspective, the follow-on diagnostics of my periodic symptoms have been much less than your work up, enough said. Being left to my own devices and advise of a number of friends closer to the orthopedic or therapy professions than me I have come up with this chain of events; Summer ends, my riding decreased and consequently my leg muscle tone did as well, including that one on the inside of the front of your leg right above the knee. It positions the joint when in extension and bulges when your leg is locked straight. All it took was a little slowness to contract against the precise slop of movement my meniscus free edge took to get turned. Felt like I was limping about several late winters. I got serious about it when it creeped into one spring. I hung from my hands (or armpits for longer periods) trying to relax my legs as much as possible, slowly twisting my trunk left then right while remaining as loose as possible. Over a few days it felt like the folded meniscus unfolded...those things are not instant telegraphed sensations, that's why the moment of offense is tough to pin down. To prevent the tone loss once able, I began a regimen of locked leg lifts from a supine position, beginning barefooted then progressing to incrementally heavier footwear. Having done this to recover from the lower tone of winter I opted to buck up and just keep riding into and through the winter, I'm an outdoor person and my version of hell is indoor calisthenics or a gym. Hieronymous Bosch would've had an LA Fitness in this picture if he knew of them: http://fullyreconditioned.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/bosch.jpg Some may think if you look closely enough you can find a commuter on studded tires in that image, but heck you live in Minneapolis! Hope your medical resources are able to get you out of the cycle and outfitted with steps to keep how you feel now at bay. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:39:18 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short > cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different. > > Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced > pain in my right knee. It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is > bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit. I do think it's > riding related. Here's some info: I switched pedals maybe a week or two > ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals. I switched back and forth > between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the > height off. The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, > but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely > steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of > driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill). I > dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to > finish the hill. The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my > right knee. Left knee is fine as can be. > > Suggestions? Advice? Thanks in advance... > > here's the most previous thread I looked at > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Ye gods. I've had a torn meniscus (on top of all my other knee wonkery). It isn't fun, but luckily the surgery -- if you go that route -- is outpatient, and you should be riding again in about 3-4 weeks after surgery. Limping in solidarity, Cecily On Monday, August 4, 2014 4:11:55 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: > > Well, pain hasn't subsided after all this time so I went to the doctor. > The tentative diagnosis is a torn meniscus. MRI tomorrow morning and an > appointment with a sports medicine MD to determine whether I should do PT > or have surgery. > > Over the weekend I talked with Vince at Riv about saddle height. I checked > my saddle height and it was maybe a half-inch *high* after all my afore > mentioned fiddling around. Unknown if this was the culprit or exasperated > an existing condition. > > I should add that decades of backing up a touring motorcycle from a riding > position took its toll as well. (Black 1973 BMW R75/5 with a toaster tank > for those inquiring minds) > > Anyway, keep y'all posted as I know more. In the meantime, still off the > bike. > > Limpingly yours, > RCW > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
Great news! Strength is key, so definitely look into squats (I prefer a few weighted, slow squats to many faster unweighted ones, though you have to work up to that). With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
I too had a torn medial meniscus repaired arthroscopically in 2005. The procedure itself was very quick, probably no more than half an hour, and in my case I was starting to ride the bike after about six weeks. Since then I have had no trouble with it and have been very comfortable. I was able to resume my normal bike riding over about a two month period, building up gradually, as pushing it too quickly did cause some pain. I know randonneurs who had this surgery and are able to write much farther and faster than I care to try. It is possible that having a settle to Highwood aggravate the condition. In my case I started having pain when I went to 180 mm cranks from my usual 175. The difference seem to be just enough to get my range of motion into the problematic area. Going back to 175s did not solve the problem, hence the eventual trip to the orthopedic surgeon. Leisl, since you're in the Twin Cities area, I would wholeheartedly recommend my surgeon to you. If you're interested in the name drop me a line. > On Aug 5, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Cecily Walker wrote: > > Ye gods. I've had a torn meniscus (on top of all my other knee wonkery). It > isn't fun, but luckily the surgery -- if you go that route -- is outpatient, > and you should be riding again in about 3-4 weeks after surgery. > > Limping in solidarity, > Cecily > >> On Monday, August 4, 2014 4:11:55 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: >> Well, pain hasn't subsided after all this time so I went to the doctor. The >> tentative diagnosis is a torn meniscus. MRI tomorrow morning and an >> appointment with a sports medicine MD to determine whether I should do PT or >> have surgery. >> Over the weekend I talked with Vince at Riv about saddle height. I checked >> my saddle height and it was maybe a half-inch *high* after all my afore >> mentioned fiddling around. Unknown if this was the culprit or exasperated an >> existing condition. >> >> I should add that decades of backing up a touring motorcycle from a riding >> position took its toll as well. (Black 1973 BMW R75/5 with a toaster tank >> for those inquiring minds) >> >> Anyway, keep y'all posted as I know more. In the meantime, still off the >> bike. >> >> Limpingly yours, >> RCW >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
The news is good. I have the within-normal-range-of-wear-and-tear-for-55-year-old knees and an oddly shaped patella/knee cap. Physical therapy to strengthen my quads, letting pain be my guide for activity. Back in the saddle and the knee is improving. Still pain in about the last inch of extension when weighted. Now I need to look up all the exercises y'all suggested! Happily yours, RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)
So happy to hear good news. it sounds like you are proceeding in a carefully and care fully kind of way. Hope you are back to normal soon. Michael On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:41:28 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: > > The news is good. I have the > within-normal-range-of-wear-and-tear-for-55-year-old knees and an oddly > shaped patella/knee cap. Physical therapy to strengthen my quads, letting > pain be my guide for activity. Back in the saddle and the knee is > improving. Still pain in about the last inch of extension when weighted. > Now I need to look up all the exercises y'all suggested! > > Happily yours, RCW > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
