[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Patrick: You're having way too much fun. dougP On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:53:06 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Yes. Rivendells are too versatile. Way too versatile. Way, way too > versatile. I can push mine up a hill. I can coast mine down a hill. I can > peddle dry, wet or white. Would you could you ride at night? In the > mountains, on the plains, canyons, valleys, mesas too. Why, I could even > ride mine to the zoo! So many choices! Too many choices! What's a poor wee > lad to do? What? What's that you say? "RIDE IT OUT!" Ok. Ok. You don't have > to shout. Would I could I in the rain? Would I could I if I were(n't) > insane?... > > With abandon of my senses, > Patrick > > On Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:20:14 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote: >> >> I've had my Hilsen now almost 5yrs. It's been a great bike and quite >> versatile. I've used it for sporty quick rides, randonneuring, touring, >> camping and just rambling around. I've ridden it with and without racks, >> fenders, kickstand and with a double and triple crank, SPDs and flat >> pedals.Given it's ability to accommodate a big range of tire sizes and >> racks, some simple changes can make it into a completely different bike. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/ >> >> One thing that has remained static is the bars. Since I first had it I've >> always run 46cm Nitto Noodles. Lately I've been thinking of either >> switching to 48cm Noodles like I have on my LHT and love, along with going >> to a wider tire (700x38 Marathons). But then why go to that trouble given I >> already have my LHT. Seems redundant. >> >> I've also considered swapping out to Albatross bars, especially after >> seeing pictures of Grant's Hilsen and Manny's friend Mike's Hilsen: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/8344568536/in/faves-41335973@N00/ >> >> And this one too: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlemon/5105881635/in/faves-41335973@N00/ >> >> There was a time when I never would have entertained putting a bar like >> this on the Hilsen. But given my mileage is coming down significantly this >> year, I've been entertaining the idea. It's almost as if the Hilsen (really >> all RBW models) is just too darn versatile. What's your experience? >> >> --mike >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Well done all the way around! Dr. S would approve.Joan On 05/16/13, Deacon Patrick wrote: Yes. Rivendells are too versatile. Way too versatile. Way, way too versatile. I can push mine up a hill. I can coast mine down a hill. I can peddle dry, wet or white. Would you could you ride at night? In the mountains, on the plains, canyons, valleys, mesas too. Why, I could even ride mine to the zoo! So many choices! Too many choices! What's a poor wee lad to do? What? What's that you say? "RIDE IT OUT!" Ok. Ok. You don't have to shout. Would I could I in the rain? Would I could I if I were(n't) insane?...With abandon of my senses,PatrickOn Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:20:14 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote:I've had my Hilsen now almost 5yrs. It's been a great bike and quite versatile. I've used it for sporty quick rides, randonneuring, touring, camping and just rambling around. I've ridden it with and without racks, fenders, kickstand and with a double and triple crank, SPDs and flat pedals.Given it's ability to accommodate a big range of tire sizes and racks, some simple changes can make it into a completely different bike. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/One thing that has remained static is the bars. Since I first had it I've always run 46cm Nitto Noodles. Lately I've been thinking of either switching to 48cm Noodles like I have on my LHT and love, along with going to a wider tire (700x38 Marathons). But then why go to that trouble given I already have my LHT. Seems redundant. I've also considered swapping out to Albatross bars, especially after seeing pictures of Grant's Hilsen and Manny's friend Mike's Hilsen:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/8344568536/in/faves-41335973@N00/And this one too:http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlemon/5105881635/in/faves-41335973@N00/There was a time when I never would have entertained putting a bar like this on the Hilsen. But given my mileage is coming down significantly this year, I've been entertaining the idea. It's almost as if the Hilsen (really all RBW models) is just too darn versatile. What's your experience?--mike-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
WONDERFUL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
The industry standard makes potential buyers categorize themselves by marketing efforts with catalog, print ads and POP materials in the shops. Their self-qualification make it easier to sell them a bike. Shop employees can be untrained in salesmanship, just word match: customer says "comfort" they walk to the big sign and ask how much they want to spend. I saw this yesterday when I went in a local shop like that. Actually heard people telling the staff that their riding less "urban and more comfort". They pre-establish expectations in the buyer which makes it easier to appear that you are facilitating their cycle of satisfaction. More psychology than cycling. It emphasizes the marketing materials and deemphasizes the local shop and employees to the perception of buyers, the resultant bikes appear as such to the experienced eye. Latitude of use does not have value or place in this forum, it confuses and delays decisions and purchases, especially in novice riders. The most intriguing bicycle product in those places are the employee bikes where, behold, many Rivish builds which shame the corporate floor units. That was part of what was so attractive about Bridgestone; smart parts to discerning shoppers, each picked for tangible benefit. Not for the shopper looking for something in a color to match their car/truck. Rivendell is thankfully not like that. Here's a bike, it's limitations have more to do with tire size, rack/fender/bottle cage braze-ons. I suspect that with a wise build, a blind pick of frame in the right size could provide a customer with at least 90% of best possible outcome. Add a few frame tubing options to cover those ends of spectrum buyers and happiness is achievable among veteran riders and those who appreciate the value structure. Not only is a rider happy with the build, it can change so if an opportunity to take a trip like a Riv Rally or begin commuting with the bike a new one isn't the answer but rather one of the most joyous: accessory shopping. Marketing MBAs would assess RIv "too versatile" because corporate bikes don't focus on lifetime satisfaction of the buyer with a quality product, but rather the ease of moving units facilitated by brand identity without degrading the brand perception in the marketplace. I have these conversations with my wife, one of those marketing MBAs, who I met at my backwards-to-the-marketing-model outdoor shop where she chose to have her bike sent for assembly when moving there. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
I would not say all RBW models are versatile, but the AHH certainly is. I do love my AHH, but in a few (recurring) occasions, I found it too versatile. It always follows the same pattern: Me: I *need* a new bike to do ''. Wife: I would think your AHH could handle it, right? Me: Wife: Then no. Nice try. Pierre. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Also, too pretty and too comfortable. What's the deal!!? On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:20:14 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: > I've had my Hilsen now almost 5yrs. It's been a great bike and quite > versatile. I've used it for sporty quick rides, randonneuring, touring, > camping and just rambling around. I've ridden it with and without racks, > fenders, kickstand and with a double and triple crank, SPDs and flat > pedals.Given it's ability to accommodate a big range of tire sizes and > racks, some simple changes can make it into a completely different bike. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/ > > One thing that has remained static is the bars. Since I first had it I've > always run 46cm Nitto Noodles. Lately I've been thinking of either > switching to 48cm Noodles like I have on my LHT and love, along with going > to a wider tire (700x38 Marathons). But then why go to that trouble given I > already have my LHT. Seems redundant. > > I've also considered swapping out to Albatross bars, especially after > seeing pictures of Grant's Hilsen and Manny's friend Mike's Hilsen: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/8344568536/in/faves-41335973@N00/ > > And this one too: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlemon/5105881635/in/faves-41335973@N00/ > > There was a time when I never would have entertained putting a bar like > this on the Hilsen. But given my mileage is coming down significantly this > year, I've been entertaining the idea. It's almost as if the Hilsen (really > all RBW models) is just too darn versatile. What's your experience? > > --mike > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Yes Mike, your Homer is way too versatile. Quite a shame, actually, given all the marketing hoopla surrounding Rivendells. I think it's about my size, so you better send it my way poste-haste before you do something foolish with/to it!!! :-) Cheers, David On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Mike wrote: > On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:53:06 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> >> Yes. Rivendells are too versatile. Way too versatile. Way, way too >> versatile. I can push mine up a hill. I can coast mine down a hill. I can >> peddle dry, wet or white. Would you could you ride at night? In the >> mountains, on the plains, canyons, valleys, mesas too. Why, I could even >> ride mine to the zoo! So many choices! Too many choices! What's a poor wee >> lad to do? What? What's that you say? "RIDE IT OUT!" Ok. Ok. You don't have >> to shout. Would I could I in the rain? Would I could I if I were(n't) >> insane?... >> >> With abandon of my senses, >> Patrick >> > > Love it! > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:53:06 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Yes. Rivendells are too versatile. Way too versatile. Way, way too > versatile. I can push mine up a hill. I can coast mine down a hill. I can > peddle dry, wet or white. Would you could you ride at night? In the > mountains, on the plains, canyons, valleys, mesas too. Why, I could even > ride mine to the zoo! So many choices! Too many choices! What's a poor wee > lad to do? What? What's that you say? "RIDE IT OUT!" Ok. Ok. You don't have > to shout. Would I could I in the rain? Would I could I if I were(n't) > insane?... > > With abandon of my senses, > Patrick > Love it! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Yes. Rivendells are too versatile. Way too versatile. Way, way too versatile. I can push mine up a hill. I can coast mine down a hill. I can peddle dry, wet or white. Would you could you ride at night? In the mountains, on the plains, canyons, valleys, mesas too. Why, I could even ride mine to the zoo! So many choices! Too many choices! What's a poor wee lad to do? What? What's that you say? "RIDE IT OUT!" Ok. Ok. You don't have to shout. Would I could I in the rain? Would I could I if I were(n't) insane?... With abandon of my senses, Patrick On Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:20:14 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote: > > I've had my Hilsen now almost 5yrs. It's been a great bike and quite > versatile. I've used it for sporty quick rides, randonneuring, touring, > camping and just rambling around. I've ridden it with and without racks, > fenders, kickstand and with a double and triple crank, SPDs and flat > pedals.Given it's ability to accommodate a big range of tire sizes and > racks, some simple changes can make it into a completely different bike. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/ > > One thing that has remained static is the bars. Since I first had it I've > always run 46cm Nitto Noodles. Lately I've been thinking of either > switching to 48cm Noodles like I have on my LHT and love, along with going > to a wider tire (700x38 Marathons). But then why go to that trouble given I > already have my LHT. Seems redundant. > > I've also considered swapping out to Albatross bars, especially after > seeing pictures of Grant's Hilsen and Manny's friend Mike's Hilsen: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/8344568536/in/faves-41335973@N00/ > > And this one too: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlemon/5105881635/in/faves-41335973@N00/ > > There was a time when I never would have entertained putting a bar like > this on the Hilsen. But given my mileage is coming down significantly this > year, I've been entertaining the idea. It's almost as if the Hilsen (really > all RBW models) is just too darn versatile. What's your experience? > > --mike > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
I think that it's the bike industry driving the purpose specific train, not the consumer. But it's always hard to guess which came 1st, the egg or the chicken. I have a number of versatile bikes, but when I explain each to my wife's question of,why so many?, each has a specific purpose. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Mike: I've been in Jim's shop, & I think you'd like it. You 2 would disagree on food choices, however. dougP On Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:15:22 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: > > well, Jim, now aren't you the wet blanket. I feel the ability to > transition a bike for different uses is more valuable. That and the fact > that they look so darn nice. > > ~mike > Carlsbad Ca. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Mike: You've really configured that Hilsen in a lot of ways. That's pretty much the definition of versatility, assuming they all worked out & did what you wanted them to do. Grant one time said words similar to "a bike frame is just a place to hang your parts..." or at least that notion. I still have an old Atlantis flyer with at least a half dozen variations, such as commuter, tourer, MTB, etc. The fact that we can completely alter the bike's mission with a simple change of racks / bars / wheels / etc. is wonderful. Sure saves on having to buy complete bikes (we'll ignore the parts cost issue for now, thank you). So, no, IMHO Rivendell's are not too versatile, simply because there is not such thing. Based on the feedback on the bars, heck, hang 'em on there, you're probably gonna love 'em. It's sort of like getting a new bike in a fraction of the time & at a very small cost. dougP On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:20:14 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: > > I've had my Hilsen now almost 5yrs. It's been a great bike and quite > versatile. I've used it for sporty quick rides, randonneuring, touring, > camping and just rambling around. I've ridden it with and without racks, > fenders, kickstand and with a double and triple crank, SPDs and flat > pedals.Given it's ability to accommodate a big range of tire sizes and > racks, some simple changes can make it into a completely different bike. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/ > > One thing that has remained static is the bars. Since I first had it I've > always run 46cm Nitto Noodles. Lately I've been thinking of either > switching to 48cm Noodles like I have on my LHT and love, along with going > to a wider tire (700x38 Marathons). But then why go to that trouble given I > already have my LHT. Seems redundant. > > I've also considered swapping out to Albatross bars, especially after > seeing pictures of Grant's Hilsen and Manny's friend Mike's Hilsen: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/8344568536/in/faves-41335973@N00/ > > And this one too: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlemon/5105881635/in/faves-41335973@N00/ > > There was a time when I never would have entertained putting a bar like > this on the Hilsen. But given my mileage is coming down significantly this > year, I've been entertaining the idea. It's almost as if the Hilsen (really > all RBW models) is just too darn versatile. What's your experience? > > --mike > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
*Too versatile*... never! Cheers, David On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 4:52 PM, hsmitham wrote: > Jim I figure your comment is aimed at the perception a potential buyer > would conger in their mind when a sales person states " this bike is so > versatile" they reckon your asking them to make a compromise in value and > function which is the furthest from reality when designing a Rivish > bicycle. We humans are so fickle when it comes to perception. Then again if > a fellow or gal rides with a carbon race centric group then they would be > looking through a narrow prism. > > Mike ( leaf Slayer), I think it's okay to say the Hilsen is highly > versatile and then decide to leave it in one set config for a while. I'm > always short on time and would rather use my time these day's on the saddle > as it were and not tinker so much with one bike's config and rather have a > stable of bikes with different purposes, that's my intent at least. So I'll > use my old Salsa Ala Carte for pure MTBing, Hilsen for mixed terrain, > commuting and touring and the Trek 660 as a light quick hop on fitness > ride. Admittedly, this may cause a resurfacing of the one bike or a stable > of...topics and I apologize in advance :-) > > Hugh > Sunland, CA > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:11:26 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: > >> From a sales standpoint, versatility sounds too much like "compromise". > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Jim I figure your comment is aimed at the perception a potential buyer would conger in their mind when a sales person states " this bike is so versatile" they reckon your asking them to make a compromise in value and function which is the furthest from reality when designing a Rivish bicycle. We humans are so fickle when it comes to perception. Then again if a fellow or gal rides with a carbon race centric group then they would be looking through a narrow prism. Mike ( leaf Slayer), I think it's okay to say the Hilsen is highly versatile and then decide to leave it in one set config for a while. I'm always short on time and would rather use my time these day's on the saddle as it were and not tinker so much with one bike's config and rather have a stable of bikes with different purposes, that's my intent at least. So I'll use my old Salsa Ala Carte for pure MTBing, Hilsen for mixed terrain, commuting and touring and the Trek 660 as a light quick hop on fitness ride. Admittedly, this may cause a resurfacing of the one bike or a stable of...topics and I apologize in advance :-) Hugh Sunland, CA On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:11:26 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > From a sales standpoint, versatility sounds too much like "compromise". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Haha, I wasn't trying to be a wet blanket, just stating the fact that in the bike biz, unsophisticated customers tend to shy away from "versatile" because it sounds like there'd be some kind of performance compromise. This misguided (but profitable) notion is what has led the bigger bike companies to create ever expanding product lines of single-purpose bikes, which further fuels this sentiment among the bike buying public. Mike S, I believe if you stepped into my shop, you'd see that I'm all about versatility, in the bikes I ride, and in the bikes I choose to sell. All of my bikes have braze-ons a'plenty and loads of tire clearance. Nothing skinnier than 700x28 here, and even that seems frivolous to me. On Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:15:22 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: > > well, Jim, now aren't you the wet blanket. I feel the ability to > transition a bike for different uses is more valuable. That and the fact > that they look so darn nice. > > ~mike > Carlsbad Ca. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
well, Jim, now aren't you the wet blanket. I feel the ability to transition a bike for different uses is more valuable. That and the fact that they look so darn nice. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59:16 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote: > > Too versatile? Hmmm...never thought of it that way. I'm a fickle guy, > and prone to change stuff up on a whim. I need a bike > with adaptability...good for cycling, and good for the marriage. Agreed. > > My latest whim is pulling me toward albas on the Hilsen for the same > reasons (and photos) you described. > Great minds think alike! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
I think more people think versatility means they have to do work that they don't want to do. On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:11:26 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > From a sales standpoint, versatility sounds too much like "compromise". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Are Rivendells too versatile?
Too versatile? Hmmm...never thought of it that way. I'm a fickle guy, and prone to change stuff up on a whim. I need a bike with adaptability...good for cycling, and good for the marriage. My latest whim is pulling me toward albas on the Hilsen for the same reasons (and photos) you described. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
