Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the old way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc. For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason. From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
The springs on the Flyer on my Atlantis squeak, too, but I find it soothing somehow. They're definitely responding to bumps etc (i'm 190 or so). And despite the fact that my Flyer is carved for decoration (I know, I know -- I can be a bit of a dandy), the leather has held up extremely well. Never wet, though. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:17 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the old way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc. For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason. From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.commailto:joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
I'm currently using one of each, and to be honest I've never noticed a difference in usable rail length. There probably is a difference, but I'll have to do some measuring to check it out. At 160 lbs, I don't really notice any major difference in the ride on either, although I *think* I can feel the springs on the flyer working occasionally. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5HXJv6SNGfEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
I have been lurking a while as I wait for my AHH frame to arrive (RIV content) - I have lots of questions about the build but thought I'd comment on the Flyer question. I originally got the VO Model 5 saddle for my Trek 880 (a resurrected hybrid) and used it successfully for some loaded touring and longer day rides. I did find that the string that holds the sides together would stretch and in some cases break allowing the saddle to sag somewhat. Dealing with this issue, I still felt that the springs gave a comfortable ride. I now have a Flyer on my Rocky Mountain Sherpa touring bike and have found it to be even more comfortable - I have used it on numerous day rides, a couple loaded overnights, a couple 200km brevets and 1/2 of this year's Cycle Oregon (the 1/2 is another story) - all told probably about 2500-3000 miles. I really don't notice the springs unless I am riding on root strewn trails or when an unexpected pothole pops up. Then it is great because of the shock absorbing nature of the springs. The only other time I might notice the springs is when I am in the wrong gear and spinning madly like a hamster and bouncing up down on the saddle. Cannot blame the saddle for that though. I love the firm leather and did not really experience any breakin-period though I did give it the proofride treatment top and bottom initially. However, I am looking to experiment with a B17 on the AHH when it arrives. FWIW Dennis (hoping for good news from RIV soon) Hogan On Oct 7, 6:59 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: The springs on the Flyer on my Atlantis squeak, too, but I find it soothing somehow. They're definitely responding to bumps etc (i'm 190 or so). And despite the fact that my Flyer is carved for decoration (I know, I know -- I can be a bit of a dandy), the leather has held up extremely well. Never wet, though. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:17 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the old way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc. For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason. From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.commailto:joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance
[RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
