[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
oops - you win Jay. The Selle certainly looks longer, but it doesn't look narrower - and it rides more invisible that any but a Well-worn B17 On Friday, July 12, 2013 3:28:30 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I looked it up. 170 and 160 millimeters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
Saddle is creaking so I called S-A. They very generously offered me a discounted price for a new one, which I happily accepted. It's on back order now which is fine with me. They suggested I try their new Truleather this time, which is apparently longer lasting but less waterproof. I'll report back here when I get a few miles in on it. I briefly considered going back to Brooks B17 instead, and I realized something. I had always thought the B17 could be a bit wider for me. The S-A is 10mm less wide than the Brooks but it feels just right to me. Clearly there is another factor besides width at play. In any case the S-A fits me and I will be happy to have a new one. The broken one was getting close to the end of its tension screw anyway, after too short a time (18 months). Hopefully the new (and improved) one will last longer. Jay On Friday, July 5, 2013 5:17:36 PM UTC+3, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am glad you are OK and all injuries were minor. I second Ron's input that the saddle is shot. On a possible lessons to learn note -- have you practiced your emergency hard stop lately? Per Sheldon: Jobst Brandt has a quite plausible theory that the typical over-the-bars crash is caused, not so much by braking too hard, but by braking hard without using the rider's arms to brace against the deceleration: The bike stops, the rider keeps going until the rider's thighs bump into the handlebars, and the bike, which is no longer supporting the weight of the rider, flips. It is important to use your arms to brace yourself securely during hard braking, to prevent this. Indeed, good technique involves moving back on your saddle as far as you can comfortably go, to keep the center of gravity as far back as possible. This applies whether you are using the front, rear or both brakes. http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html I've done a hard stop on a loose gravel hill (unridable section suddenly appeared where it had looked rideable) with a rear heavy touring load and while I didn't flip, the rear of the bike ended up in front and I was laughing so hard I couldn't stop for five minutes. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:58:00 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is interested. Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of setback. The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the angles and position to where I like it. There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with my hand, but for all I know it was always like that. Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle? Jay Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested: 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and arrows every 100 feet or so 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for road bars and v-s 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows every 100 feet? 4. Result - hey - nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and cleaned up there Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been a very impressive somersault. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
I thought they were the same width, within 2mm On Friday, July 12, 2013 2:17:51 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: Saddle is creaking so I called S-A. They very generously offered me a discounted price for a new one, which I happily accepted. It's on back order now which is fine with me. They suggested I try their new Truleather this time, which is apparently longer lasting but less waterproof. I'll report back here when I get a few miles in on it. I briefly considered going back to Brooks B17 instead, and I realized something. I had always thought the B17 could be a bit wider for me. The S-A is 10mm less wide than the Brooks but it feels just right to me. Clearly there is another factor besides width at play. In any case the S-A fits me and I will be happy to have a new one. The broken one was getting close to the end of its tension screw anyway, after too short a time (18 months). Hopefully the new (and improved) one will last longer. Jay On Friday, July 5, 2013 5:17:36 PM UTC+3, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am glad you are OK and all injuries were minor. I second Ron's input that the saddle is shot. On a possible lessons to learn note -- have you practiced your emergency hard stop lately? Per Sheldon: Jobst Brandt has a quite plausible theory that the typical over-the-bars crash is caused, not so much by braking too hard, but by braking hard without using the rider's arms to brace against the deceleration: The bike stops, the rider keeps going until the rider's thighs bump into the handlebars, and the bike, which is no longer supporting the weight of the rider, flips. It is important to use your arms to brace yourself securely during hard braking, to prevent this. Indeed, good technique involves moving back on your saddle as far as you can comfortably go, to keep the center of gravity as far back as possible. This applies whether you are using the front, rear or both brakes. http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html I've done a hard stop on a loose gravel hill (unridable section suddenly appeared where it had looked rideable) with a rear heavy touring load and while I didn't flip, the rear of the bike ended up in front and I was laughing so hard I couldn't stop for five minutes. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:58:00 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is interested. Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of setback. The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the angles and position to where I like it. There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with my hand, but for all I know it was always like that. Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle? Jay Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested: 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and arrows every 100 feet or so 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for road bars and v-s 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows every 100 feet? 4. Result - hey - nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and cleaned up there Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been a very impressive somersault. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
I looked it up. 170 and 160 millimeters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
I have heard Selle is very generous in their warranty replacement. I would be contacting them, just because its worth a shot. On Friday, July 5, 2013 12:58:00 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is interested. Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of setback. The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the angles and position to where I like it. There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with my hand, but for all I know it was always like that. Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle? Jay Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested: 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and arrows every 100 feet or so 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for road bars and v-s 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows every 100 feet? 4. Result - hey - nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and cleaned up there Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been a very impressive somersault. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
ps - I weigh 210 and would not ride that saddle. The bend and straighten potentially puts the saddle into the low cycle fatigue regime. On Friday, July 5, 2013 7:17:04 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: I have heard Selle is very generous in their warranty replacement. I would be contacting them, just because its worth a shot. On Friday, July 5, 2013 12:58:00 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is interested. Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of setback. The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the angles and position to where I like it. There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with my hand, but for all I know it was always like that. Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle? Jay Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested: 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and arrows every 100 feet or so 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for road bars and v-s 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows every 100 feet? 4. Result - hey - nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and cleaned up there Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been a very impressive somersault. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails
I am glad you are OK and all injuries were minor. I second Ron's input that the saddle is shot. On a possible lessons to learn note -- have you practiced your emergency hard stop lately? Per Sheldon: Jobst Brandt has a quite plausible theory that the typical over-the-bars crash is caused, not so much by braking too hard, but by braking hard without using the rider's arms to brace against the deceleration: The bike stops, the rider keeps going until the rider's thighs bump into the handlebars, and the bike, which is no longer supporting the weight of the rider, flips. It is important to use your arms to brace yourself securely during hard braking, to prevent this. Indeed, good technique involves moving back on your saddle as far as you can comfortably go, to keep the center of gravity as far back as possible. This applies whether you are using the front, rear or both brakes. http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html I've done a hard stop on a loose gravel hill (unridable section suddenly appeared where it had looked rideable) with a rear heavy touring load and while I didn't flip, the rear of the bike ended up in front and I was laughing so hard I couldn't stop for five minutes. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:58:00 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is interested. Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of setback. The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the angles and position to where I like it. There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with my hand, but for all I know it was always like that. Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle? Jay Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested: 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and arrows every 100 feet or so 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for road bars and v-s 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows every 100 feet? 4. Result - hey - nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and cleaned up there Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been a very impressive somersault. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
