[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
I'm planning on buying a Betty too. I wanted the red hetres with the honjos. From the description on Rivbike it says what Sam can do so can Betty. Both descriptions state that they can take wheels up to 40mm with fenders. Yet I see many Sam with hetres and honjos. But from what I'm hearing for all of you is that Betty may not do the same? Has anyone tried the hetres and honjos on the Betty? Is it the extra stay that is causing the clearance problems? On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
Jeremy Anxiously awaiting delivery of my wife's Betty,and I have had a similar question about Hetres. Never got an unambiguous answer, but did discover that Renaissance apparently fitted a Betty with Hetres, though there was some question about fender fit. I'm playing it by ear _ ordered the Fatty Rumpkins, nominal 40s, which Keven believes will handle the SKS fenders fine, though the additional substance of the Honjos and their like may be a tighter squeeze, we worry. Short of it: Without fenders, general opinion seems to be yes; with fenders, the general opinion seems to be a mumbling maybe. Hope others wil speak to us both more directly about this ... Trail _ I shouldn't pretend to be the least expert in sorting that out, but Grant has made an interesting case that trail numbers in isolation don't mean much in the performance of Riv bikes, and I've found that seems to be true for my Saluki. Regardless of trail, I wouldn't have much concern about loading up the front of a Betty, and have noticed that most buyers do. Bill On Jan 28, 3:54 pm, Jeremy Smith smith.jer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello RBW'rs I am investigating the Betty Foy for my wife. She current has a SOMA Buena Vista, and it's ok, but too small for her. So the key questions for me: Will the 58cm Foy fit Hetres? and What's the trail on that fork? (This may be on the website, and I might have just missed it completely) Thanks Jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical). I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and photograph the clearances. The Yves is not running fenders at the moment. I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily using SKS plastics. Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS. I would hope they dont take up any more room. If they fit through the brakes, they ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with plenty of room. Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web. You enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake. For a 58 Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake. yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to: 66.6mm On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
Here's the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5396494939/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397091824/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092882/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092378/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092082/ The tightest squeeze is the clearance on the sides for the diagonal stays. Those are hard to photograph, behind the brake caliper. Furthermore, the geometry might be a little different there on a 58. It looks do-able to me, but if you tried to put fenders in there that are WAY wider than Hetres, they may interfere, and you'd have to bend metal and such. I'm sure I could do it with SKS P45's. On Jan 28, 5:17 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical). I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and photograph the clearances. The Yves is not running fenders at the moment. I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily using SKS plastics. Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS. I would hope they dont take up any more room. If they fit through the brakes, they ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with plenty of room. Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web. You enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake. For a 58 Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake. yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to: 66.6mm On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
Illuminating. Thanks for setting up the photos. Rear 3 looks mighty tight at the bridge(?) connection, but that might be camera angle. Rumor is that Riv will soon be stocking new cream colored SKS. Have convinced my wife that these will appeal to her aesthetic as much as the elven-hammered honjos. Keven and others warn that the curled lip and the turned down edge on the Honjos and Berthouds _ one of the features promoted by those who like them _ eat up critical space in a tight fit situation. So I keep coming back to the SKS, which work so well on my Saluki, I forget they're there. On Jan 28, 7:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5396494939/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397091824/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092882/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092378/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092082/ The tightest squeeze is the clearance on the sides for the diagonal stays. Those are hard to photograph, behind the brake caliper. Furthermore, the geometry might be a little different there on a 58. It looks do-able to me, but if you tried to put fenders in there that are WAY wider than Hetres, they may interfere, and you'd have to bend metal and such. I'm sure I could do it with SKS P45's. On Jan 28, 5:17 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical). I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and photograph the clearances. The Yves is not running fenders at the moment. I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily using SKS plastics. Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS. I would hope they dont take up any more room. If they fit through the brakes, they ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with plenty of room. Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web. You enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake. For a 58 Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake. yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to: 66.6mm On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: betty foy questions
The generic headbadge is for the custom frames only. - Original Message - From: Seth Vidal To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [RBW] betty foy questions Hi, My significant other was looking with lust at the betty foy but she had a couple of questions about it and I thought I'd ask if anyone knows: 1. Is there a nice way to mount a real chain guard on it - for example if she was going to run it 1x8? 2. if you get it repainted from riv is there anyway to get one of the generic rbw headbadges instead of the betty foy headbadge? thanks, -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: betty foy questions
Seth Vidal wrote: 2. if you get it repainted from riv is there anyway to get one of the generic rbw headbadges instead of the betty foy headbadge? What, you got something against space aliens? ;) Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: betty foy questions
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Lisa -S.H. harmo...@fairpoint.net wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: 2. if you get it repainted from riv is there anyway to get one of the generic rbw headbadges instead of the betty foy headbadge? What, you got something against space aliens? ;) Not me - but my S.O. said That head badge is offputting So I was trying to come up with classy options. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
