[RBW] Re: Brooks

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

That Sucks!
>
I don't have an extra B17 but I'm sure someone on here maybe able to help 
you.
A green B17 should stand out and hopefully they will get the low life scum 
and you will get your saddle back.
Jon
 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks

[Wayne Naha]

They got your seatpost, too?  Sorry to hear it.  A dark green Brooks is a 
rare bird.  I don't happen to have an extra saddle at the moment, but I'm 
sure somebody on the list does.  Good luck!

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 9:36:04 AM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> Good Morning
> My dark green Brooks b17 special was stolen of my Hillborn last night.
> Curious if anyone has a b17 laying around they'd like to sell?
> Oddly they left the Nigel Smyth saddle bag just hanging on the bike.  I 
> guess a tweed bike bag isn't that sexy.
> thanks
> Jason
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks

[Lungimsam]

bicyclebolts.com has security bolts for both the seatpost and seatpost 
clamp. http://bicyclebolts.com/
They will fit Rivendell seat lugs to secure the seatpost.
The seat clamp bolts may or may not fit your style of seat clamp to secure 
the saddle onto the clamp.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

I have one, PM sent

On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[MichaelH]

Saddles are a pretty personal choice.  But good leather ones can last
a long time, so I wouldn't make a decision based on price.  Brooks has
a good quality control track record and I love the Selle Anatomica.  I
have two of them and never really want to ride on anything else.  I
also prefer to do business with a smaller american company than an
invisible Tiawnese knockoff artist.  But they may be fine saddles.

michael

On Feb 28, 9:09 am, Richard Merkin  wrote:
> What do you guys think of these?
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-models-of-cardiff-saddles-in-...
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Bill M.]

Richard,

I received a brown Velo Orange Model 6 saddle this week to try on my
'95 Riv Road.:

http://www.velo-orange.com/vosaddlemodel6.html

It *appears* to be the same saddle as the Soma Cardiff Cambria:

http://store.somafab.com/calesa.html

The Cambria in turn looks just like the saddle sold elsewhere as the
Cardiff Gull.

I bought the VO because I wanted to try a narrow saddle (I'm treating
my Riv as a go-fast bike these days - I've also lowered the bars a
bit), and my old B17 wasn't working well for that.  It has also become
rather lopsided after maybe ten years of use, and I wanted to get back
'on the level'.

The VO appears to be well-made.  The leather is firm but with a little
give (unlike the Selle Anatomica, which is very soft from the start).
It looks good, but the color and matte finish of the VO lack the
'depth' of the Brooks.

I've only ridden the VO around the block (which is actually a few
miles in the farmlands just east of my house) so I can't say too much
yet about its comfort.  I didn't hurt after that short ride, though,
which I can't say about the last plastic saddle I tried.  I'll get in
a longer ride today and see it I can adapt to the narrow saddle.

The new Soma saddles are B17 width, so the comparison to the VO is not
direct.  The Cornwall isn't much less expensive than a real Brooks
B17.  That would make it a tough sell for me.   There has been some
criticism of the leather Brooks has used in some recent B17's, but
mine are all at least a few years old so I can't judge that from
experience.  But, if I bail on the VO, I'll more than likely be back
to either a Brooks Team Pro or B17 Imperial, or I'll be saving up for
a second Anatomica.

Bill


Richard Merkin wrote:
> What do you guys think of these?
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-models-of-cardiff-saddles-in-stock.html
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Samuel]

Yeah the leather in Brooks is definitely different, I still love the
saddles but they have changed their formula they seem flimsier which
for my aging bottom turned out to be a good thing.

On Feb 28, 9:34 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I received a brown Velo Orange Model 6 saddle this week to try on my
> '95 Riv Road.:
>
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vosaddlemodel6.html
>
> It *appears* to be the same saddle as the Soma Cardiff Cambria:
>
> http://store.somafab.com/calesa.html
>
> The Cambria in turn looks just like the saddle sold elsewhere as the
> Cardiff Gull.
>
> I bought the VO because I wanted to try a narrow saddle (I'm treating
> my Riv as a go-fast bike these days - I've also lowered the bars a
> bit), and my old B17 wasn't working well for that.  It has also become
> rather lopsided after maybe ten years of use, and I wanted to get back
> 'on the level'.
>
> The VO appears to be well-made.  The leather is firm but with a little
> give (unlike the Selle Anatomica, which is very soft from the start).
> It looks good, but the color and matte finish of the VO lack the
> 'depth' of the Brooks.
>
> I've only ridden the VO around the block (which is actually a few
> miles in the farmlands just east of my house) so I can't say too much
> yet about its comfort.  I didn't hurt after that short ride, though,
> which I can't say about the last plastic saddle I tried.  I'll get in
> a longer ride today and see it I can adapt to the narrow saddle.
>
> The new Soma saddles are B17 width, so the comparison to the VO is not
> direct.  The Cornwall isn't much less expensive than a real Brooks
> B17.  That would make it a tough sell for me.   There has been some
> criticism of the leather Brooks has used in some recent B17's, but
> mine are all at least a few years old so I can't judge that from
> experience.  But, if I bail on the VO, I'll more than likely be back
> to either a Brooks Team Pro or B17 Imperial, or I'll be saving up for
> a second Anatomica.
>
> Bill
>
> Richard Merkin wrote:
> > What do you guys think of these?
>
> >http://somafab.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-models-of-cardiff-saddles-in-...
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bill M.  wrote:

>
> Richard,
>
> I received a brown Velo Orange Model 6 saddle this week to try on my
> '95 Riv Road.:
>
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vosaddlemodel6.html
>
> It *appears* to be the same saddle as the Soma Cardiff Cambria:
>
> http://store.somafab.com/calesa.html
>
> The Cambria in turn looks just like the saddle sold elsewhere as the
> Cardiff Gull.
>
> I bought the VO because I wanted to try a narrow saddle (I'm treating
> my Riv as a go-fast bike these days - I've also lowered the bars a
> bit), and my old B17 wasn't working well for that.  It has also become
> rather lopsided after maybe ten years of use, and I wanted to get back
> 'on the level'.
>
> The VO appears to be well-made.  The leather is firm but with a little
> give (unlike the Selle Anatomica, which is very soft from the start).
> It looks good, but the color and matte finish of the VO lack the
> 'depth' of the Brooks.
>
> I've only ridden the VO around the block (which is actually a few
> miles in the farmlands just east of my house) so I can't say too much
> yet about its comfort.  I didn't hurt after that short ride, though,
> which I can't say about the last plastic saddle I tried.  I'll get in
> a longer ride today and see it I can adapt to the narrow saddle.
>
> [snip]
>


Keep us apprised of how the VO saddle works, in particular, how it compares
with the Brooks Pro, which was the only Brooks that was almost comfortable
for me. Even more particular, is it very sensitive to tilt (ie, nose angle)
with lower bars? I could never get the Pro just right: I was either sliding
forward or goosing myself. I don't have that problem with Flites and Turbos.

The VO site says that it is 150 mm wide, which is pretty close to the width
of the original model Flites and Turbos I use, so perhaps it could be the
first Brooks type saddle to work for me. But I'd like a bit more feedback
before shelling out $85 plus shipping -- tho' that is an excellent price for
a decent saddle -- used Flites and Turbos in good condition are going for
more than that on ebay.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Bob Cooper]

What we need out here in the real world is a Team Pro with steel rails
and bag loops.

Are you listening, Mr. Brooks?

Bob
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 10:30 -0800, Bob Cooper wrote:
> What we need out here in the real world is a Team Pro with steel rails
> and bag loops.
> 
> Are you listening, Mr. Brooks?

The Viva bag loops that Velo Orange sells work very nicely on a
steel-railed Team Pro.




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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Kelly]

I noticed after reading this that Rivendell has also started selling
the Cardiff saddles.

On Feb 28, 9:09 am, Richard Merkin  wrote:
> What do you guys think of these?
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-models-of-cardiff-saddles-in-...
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[John Geiger]

I have not tried a Persons but they have been around for a while. I  
guess Permaco used to have a pretty tight relationship with Brooks  
years back so I suspect they know a thing about saddles. Their prices  
are pretty reasonable.

http://www.permaco.com/


On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Bob Cooper wrote:

>
> What we need out here in the real world is a Team Pro with steel rails
> and bag loops.
>
> Are you listening, Mr. Brooks?
>
> Bob
> >


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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> The Viva bag loops that Velo Orange sells work very nicely on a
> steel-railed Team Pro.


And even on a Flite or a Turbo. They are vastly better than the hateful
Cyclo loops, in you are tempted to judge these by those.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Bill M.]

Okay, a couple of updates:

I rode 42 miles on the VO model 6 today, on the American River bike
trail in Sacramento.  As it's a much narrower saddle than I've used in
some time, and a brand new stretched leather saddle, I expected some
discomfort.  I had also dropped my handlebars nearly an inch, from a
bit over the saddle to a good cm lower than the nose.  I got a little
discomcort, my sit bones definitely knew they were on a firm, narrow
perch.  Not terrible, though, no pain, and as soon as I finished the
ride all discomfort was gone.  Compared to my well-worn B17, the VO
held my sit bones up rather than cradling them, which kept the rest of
me from resting too heavily on the saddle.  That proved to be a very
good thing.  No chafing, no soreness, no pressure on the sensitive
tissues.  This is NOT a saddle for an upright, touring, or typical
Rivendell riding position.  For a more 'sporting' position, bars lower
than saddle, body leaned forward, hips rolled forward, it worked
pretty well.  I'm going to keep using it for my faster rides and see
if it breaks in and gets more (or less) comfortable as time goes on.

Patrick, I think you just might get along with this one!  It reminds
me of my old racing saddles, firm but supportive, and narrow enough to
stay out of the way.  I have not found it difficult to find an angle
that works.  My B17's seem a little more particular about the angle.
I have the nose just slightly above the tail (maybe 3 mm), and I was
fine.  Not sinking in means little or no 'goose' factor.  And like any
racing saddle, the faster I went the less I noticed the saddle.  Of
course, you might also want to check out the SOMA Ta-bo, which looks a
lot like an older saddle with a similar name.  Or there's the Hisan,
which Wiktionary translates as "flying".  BTW, I haven't ridden a Team
Pro in recent memory, so I can't compare the VO.  If I finally decide
the VO is too narrow, a Pro will be my likely next saddle.

As for the original post, after the ride we dropped in to a couple of
bike shops in midtown Sacto.  The Bicycle Business had a Cardiff
Mercia in stock, hanging up next to several Brooks B17's, two
standard, one copper railed, and one Imperial.  The Cardiff looked
fine, though I still think the honey Brooks is prettier.  It weighed
about the same as the Brooks.  The leather of the Cardiff was...
stiff.  To the point of being hard.  The B17's all felt rather supple
in comparison.  Whether that means the Brookses would be more
comfortable off the bat, or whether they would stretch out sooner, I
don't know.  I couldn't sit on any of them, so no telling what the
cheeks would say.  Were it my money I'd probably go for the plainer
looking B17 std for $10 less than the fancier Cardiff.

There was another Asiam leather saddle in the store too, a Tipo Uno
Traditional:

http://www.torelli.com/parts/Tipounoparts.html

The second saddle on that page looks familiar!  The Tipo Uno had the
same care tag that came on my VO, which confirms that they are from
the same source.  The Uno Trad. looked a little odd to me, with the
deep profile at the nose and the very rounded tail, but it did seem to
have more flex than my VO in the sit bone area.  Once again, I didn't
get to sit on it.  Very narrow looking, though.  I think I'd prefer
the one I have.

BTW, I love the leather pants clips on the Torelli page.  I gotta find
a set of those!  OTOH, the shop had the SOMA Ensho "glitter" saddles -
throwbacks to the Sting Ray's of my childhood.  I think I'll pass,
thanks.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-3773699254952_2037_98456

Bill


On Feb 28, 8:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bill M.  wrote:
>
> > Richard,
>
> > I received a brown Velo Orange Model 6 saddle this week to try on my
> > '95 Riv Road.:
>
> >http://www.velo-orange.com/vosaddlemodel6.html
>
> > It *appears* to be the same saddle as the Soma Cardiff Cambria:
>
> >http://store.somafab.com/calesa.html
>
> > The Cambria in turn looks just like the saddle sold elsewhere as the
> > Cardiff Gull.
>
> > I bought the VO because I wanted to try a narrow saddle (I'm treating
> > my Riv as a go-fast bike these days - I've also lowered the bars a
> > bit), and my old B17 wasn't working well for that.  It has also become
> > rather lopsided after maybe ten years of use, and I wanted to get back
> > 'on the level'.
>
> > The VO appears to be well-made.  The leather is firm but with a little
> > give (unlike the Selle Anatomica, which is very soft from the start).
> > It looks good, but the color and matte finish of the VO lack the
> > 'depth' of the Brooks.
>
> > I've only ridden the VO around the block (which is actually a few
> > miles in the farmlands just east of my house) so I can't say too much
> > yet about its comfort.  I didn't hurt after that short ride, though,
> > which I can't say about the last plastic saddle I tried.  I'll get in
> > a longer ride today and see it I can adapt to the narrow saddle.
>
> > [s

[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[beth h]

On Feb 28, 6:09 am, Richard Merkin  wrote:
> What do you guys think of these?
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-models-of-cardiff-saddles-in-...

I dunno. They seem nice-looking in person. A customer came in with one
on his bike on Thursday and reported that it rode well -- a little
stiffer than the Brooks but otherwise the same dimensions as a B-17
(he rode the sprung version). Since Brooks saddle prices have gone
through the roof over the winter (the B-17 now costs over 100 bucks in
most US cities) the Soma/VO version is an attractive alternative.
Since I feel emotionally loyal to Brooks and am set for saddles for
the forseeable future (it's good to own so few bikes sometimes), I
have no plans to buy anything else.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks very much for the analysis, Bill. This email is going into my archive
for future reference. I may just try a VO narrow.

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bill M.  wrote:

>
> Okay, a couple of updates:
>
> I rode 42 miles on the VO model 6 today, on the American River bike
> trail in Sacramento.  As it's a much narrower saddle than I've used in
> some time, and a brand new stretched leather saddle, I expected some
> discomfort.  I had also dropped my handlebars nearly an inch, from a
> bit over the saddle to a good cm lower than the nose.  I got a little
> discomcort, my sit bones definitely knew they were on a firm, narrow
> perch.  Not terrible, though, no pain, and as soon as I finished the
> ride all discomfort was gone.  Compared to my well-worn B17, the VO
> held my sit bones up rather than cradling them, which kept the rest of
> me from resting too heavily on the saddle.  That proved to be a very
> good thing.  No chafing, no soreness, no pressure on the sensitive
> tissues.  This is NOT a saddle for an upright, touring, or typical
> Rivendell riding position.  For a more 'sporting' position, bars lower
> than saddle, body leaned forward, hips rolled forward, it worked
> pretty well.  I'm going to keep using it for my faster rides and see
> if it breaks in and gets more (or less) comfortable as time goes on.
>
> Patrick, I think you just might get along with this one!  It reminds
> me of my old racing saddles, firm but supportive, and narrow enough to
> stay out of the way.  I have not found it difficult to find an angle
> that works.  My B17's seem a little more particular about the angle.
> I have the nose just slightly above the tail (maybe 3 mm), and I was
> fine.  Not sinking in means little or no 'goose' factor.  And like any
> racing saddle, the faster I went the less I noticed the saddle.  Of
> course, you might also want to check out the SOMA Ta-bo, which looks a
> lot like an older saddle with a similar name.  Or there's the Hisan,
> which Wiktionary translates as "flying".  BTW, I haven't ridden a Team
> Pro in recent memory, so I can't compare the VO.  If I finally decide
> the VO is too narrow, a Pro will be my likely next saddle.
>
> As for the original post, after the ride we dropped in to a couple of
> bike shops in midtown Sacto.  The Bicycle Business had a Cardiff
> Mercia in stock, hanging up next to several Brooks B17's, two
> standard, one copper railed, and one Imperial.  The Cardiff looked
> fine, though I still think the honey Brooks is prettier.  It weighed
> about the same as the Brooks.  The leather of the Cardiff was...
> stiff.  To the point of being hard.  The B17's all felt rather supple
> in comparison.  Whether that means the Brookses would be more
> comfortable off the bat, or whether they would stretch out sooner, I
> don't know.  I couldn't sit on any of them, so no telling what the
> cheeks would say.  Were it my money I'd probably go for the plainer
> looking B17 std for $10 less than the fancier Cardiff.
>
> There was another Asiam leather saddle in the store too, a Tipo Uno
> Traditional:
>
> http://www.torelli.com/parts/Tipounoparts.html
>
> The second saddle on that page looks familiar!  The Tipo Uno had the
> same care tag that came on my VO, which confirms that they are from
> the same source.  The Uno Trad. looked a little odd to me, with the
> deep profile at the nose and the very rounded tail, but it did seem to
> have more flex than my VO in the sit bone area.  Once again, I didn't
> get to sit on it.  Very narrow looking, though.  I think I'd prefer
> the one I have.
>
> BTW, I love the leather pants clips on the Torelli page.  I gotta find
> a set of those!  OTOH, the shop had the SOMA Ensho "glitter" saddles -
> throwbacks to the Sting Ray's of my childhood.  I think I'll pass,
> thanks.
>
> http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-3773699254952_2037_98456
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Feb 28, 8:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bill M.  wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> >
> > > I received a brown Velo Orange Model 6 saddle this week to try on my
> > > '95 Riv Road.:
> >
> > >http://www.velo-orange.com/vosaddlemodel6.html
> >
> > > It *appears* to be the same saddle as the Soma Cardiff Cambria:
> >
> > >http://store.somafab.com/calesa.html
> >
> > > The Cambria in turn looks just like the saddle sold elsewhere as the
> > > Cardiff Gull.
> >
> > > I bought the VO because I wanted to try a narrow saddle (I'm treating
> > > my Riv as a go-fast bike these days - I've also lowered the bars a
> > > bit), and my old B17 wasn't working well for that.  It has also become
> > > rather lopsided after maybe ten years of use, and I wanted to get back
> > > 'on the level'.
> >
> > > The VO appears to be well-made.  The leather is firm but with a little
> > > give (unlike the Selle Anatomica, which is very soft from the start).
> > > It looks good, but the color and matte finish of the VO lack the
> > > 'depth' of the Brooks.
> >
> > > I'

[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[GeorgeS]

It is well known that, along with duct tape and the Blues, the B17 is
one of mankind's crowning achievements.  No matter what people say, a
Pontiac GTO is not the equivalent of a Ferrari GTO.  For those few
unlucky souls who just can't deal with the break-in for a B17, try the
Sella Anatomica (not the one made from pink ostrich skin).
Gstrickler

On Mar 1, 12:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Thanks very much for the analysis, Bill. This email is going into my archive
> for future reference. I may just try a VO narrow.
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bill M.  wrote:
>
> > Okay, a couple of updates:
>
> > I rode 42 miles on the VO model 6 today, on the American River bike
> > trail in Sacramento.  As it's a much narrower saddle than I've used in
> > some time, and a brand new stretched leather saddle, I expected some
> > discomfort.  I had also dropped my handlebars nearly an inch, from a
> > bit over the saddle to a good cm lower than the nose.  I got a little
> > discomcort, my sit bones definitely knew they were on a firm, narrow
> > perch.  Not terrible, though, no pain, and as soon as I finished the
> > ride all discomfort was gone.  Compared to my well-worn B17, the VO
> > held my sit bones up rather than cradling them, which kept the rest of
> > me from resting too heavily on the saddle.  That proved to be a very
> > good thing.  No chafing, no soreness, no pressure on the sensitive
> > tissues.  This is NOT a saddle for an upright, touring, or typical
> > Rivendell riding position.  For a more 'sporting' position, bars lower
> > than saddle, body leaned forward, hips rolled forward, it worked
> > pretty well.  I'm going to keep using it for my faster rides and see
> > if it breaks in and gets more (or less) comfortable as time goes on.
>
> > Patrick, I think you just might get along with this one!  It reminds
> > me of my old racing saddles, firm but supportive, and narrow enough to
> > stay out of the way.  I have not found it difficult to find an angle
> > that works.  My B17's seem a little more particular about the angle.
> > I have the nose just slightly above the tail (maybe 3 mm), and I was
> > fine.  Not sinking in means little or no 'goose' factor.  And like any
> > racing saddle, the faster I went the less I noticed the saddle.  Of
> > course, you might also want to check out the SOMA Ta-bo, which looks a
> > lot like an older saddle with a similar name.  Or there's the Hisan,
> > which Wiktionary translates as "flying".  BTW, I haven't ridden a Team
> > Pro in recent memory, so I can't compare the VO.  If I finally decide
> > the VO is too narrow, a Pro will be my likely next saddle.
>
> > As for the original post, after the ride we dropped in to a couple of
> > bike shops in midtown Sacto.  The Bicycle Business had a Cardiff
> > Mercia in stock, hanging up next to several Brooks B17's, two
> > standard, one copper railed, and one Imperial.  The Cardiff looked
> > fine, though I still think the honey Brooks is prettier.  It weighed
> > about the same as the Brooks.  The leather of the Cardiff was...
> > stiff.  To the point of being hard.  The B17's all felt rather supple
> > in comparison.  Whether that means the Brookses would be more
> > comfortable off the bat, or whether they would stretch out sooner, I
> > don't know.  I couldn't sit on any of them, so no telling what the
> > cheeks would say.  Were it my money I'd probably go for the plainer
> > looking B17 std for $10 less than the fancier Cardiff.
>
> > There was another Asiam leather saddle in the store too, a Tipo Uno
> > Traditional:
>
> >http://www.torelli.com/parts/Tipounoparts.html
>
> > The second saddle on that page looks familiar!  The Tipo Uno had the
> > same care tag that came on my VO, which confirms that they are from
> > the same source.  The Uno Trad. looked a little odd to me, with the
> > deep profile at the nose and the very rounded tail, but it did seem to
> > have more flex than my VO in the sit bone area.  Once again, I didn't
> > get to sit on it.  Very narrow looking, though.  I think I'd prefer
> > the one I have.
>
> > BTW, I love the leather pants clips on the Torelli page.  I gotta find
> > a set of those!  OTOH, the shop had the SOMA Ensho "glitter" saddles -
> > throwbacks to the Sting Ray's of my childhood.  I think I'll pass,
> > thanks.
>
> >http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-3773699254952_2037_98456
>
> > Bill
>
> > On Feb 28, 8:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bill M.  wrote:
>
> > > > Richard,
>
> > > > I received a brown Velo Orange Model 6 saddle this week to try on my
> > > > '95 Riv Road.:
>
> > > >http://www.velo-orange.com/vosaddlemodel6.html
>
> > > > It *appears* to be the same saddle as the Soma Cardiff Cambria:
>
> > > >http://store.somafab.com/calesa.html
>
> > > > The Cambria in turn looks just like the saddle sold elsewhere as the
> > > > Cardiff Gull.
>
> > > > I bought the VO because I wanted to try a narrow saddle (I'm treating
> 

[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:

>
> It is well known that, along with duct tape and the Blues, the B17 is
> one of mankind's crowning achievements.


Except when it isn't comfortable!

Patrick "yes, have tried it or them" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles]

On our latest top-secret project, we decided to give the VO VS-6
saddle (http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/components/saddles/) a
try.  While most of our retrofits and upgrades get Brooks saddles, our
initial impressions of the VO saddle are good.  Just by visual
comparison, it appears a little longer than the Brooks Swift and it is
definitely more narrow, and it is of quality materials and
construction.

We have Brooks on our daily riders, so as mentioned before, don't be
lured away by saving a few dollars ... over the next 10 years, that
money will be inconsequential; we are a little dubious about the
Cardiff saddles, but we will get a demo saddle soon.

The deciding factor was that it gave our bike build (a 1962 Legnano) a
"racier" appearance, and that we will use the matching Elk hide sewn-
on bar covers (http://www.velo-orange.com/elsebarco.html) from VO.

For us it was not about the price, but came down to the appropriate
appearance and intended use for the bike.  Realistically, you probably
can't make a wrong decision.

Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[PATRICK MOORE]

I should have been more clear: it's not that B17s etc are too hard -- I've
never felt any saddle too hard except a used Fujita that I used briefly;
they are too wide and the skirts are too intrusive.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:
>
>>
>> It is well known that, along with duct tape and the Blues, the B17 is
>> one of mankind's crowning achievements.
>
>
> Except when it isn't comfortable!
>
> Patrick "yes, have tried it or them" Moore
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Alternative

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 10:58 -0800, GeorgeS wrote:
> It is well known that, along with duct tape and the Blues, the B17 is
> one of mankind's crowning achievements.  No matter what people say, a
> Pontiac GTO is not the equivalent of a Ferrari GTO.  For those few
> unlucky souls who just can't deal with the break-in for a B17, try the
> Sella Anatomica (not the one made from pink ostrich skin).

There are those who don't get along with the B.17, but afaik it's not
anything to do with "break-in" (I put that in quotes because as far as
I'm concerned there is no break-in with a B.17, they're good to go right
out of the box) but rather with the shape of the saddle not fitting well
with the shape of their anatomy.




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[RBW] Re: Brooks restoration

[Joe Bernard]

I like Obenauf's but Proofide will do, too. Beyond that there isn't a whole 
lot of sprucing up you can do besides ride. Eventually some of the spots 
will even out as you wear the saddle more; all Brooks saddles keep changing 
color until they're pretty much a dark brown. If it fits and works that's 
all ya need! 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi - 
>
> I have an older brooks b17 with water/sweat stains. Was hoping to spruce 
> it up. Anyone have any luck with this? And lastly, what's the preferred 
> product for keeping these moisturized? Proofide or something else?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dylan Green
> LA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[Steve Butcher]

{price drop and bump.  $900.00 shipped CONUS.

On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I'm offering for sale this C-19.  It has  been on my Roscoe  but have 
> decided to try  a change.  This saddle has had little use and always stored 
> indoors.  It has never been wet. The rails have slight marking from the 
> seat post clamp.  I'd rate it in excellent, like new condition.  I want 
> $100.00 for the saddle shipped in theCONUS.  paypal preferred.  Please 
> private message me with questions.
>  
> -Steve Butcher
>
> [image: 20190216_111506.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190216_111526.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190216_111526(2).jpeg]
> Stockton, Missouri.
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[LeRoy]

Here's a spare decimal point (.). it looks as though you might have lost 
track of one.  ;^)

LeRoy


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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[Steve Butcher]

oops!  thanks for the clarification, LeRoy.  I should have done some proof 
reading.  I meant $90.00 shipped CONUS.  
Steve

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-6, LeRoy wrote:
>
> Here's a spare decimal point (.). it looks as though you might have lost 
> track of one.  ;^)
>
> LeRoy
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[Steve Butcher]

Price droo to $85.00 shiiped   Conus.  private message me if you're 
intertested.
-Steve


On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:41:02 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> oops!  thanks for the clarification, LeRoy.  I should have done some proof 
> reading.  I meant $90.00 shipped CONUS.  
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-6, LeRoy wrote:
>>
>> Here's a spare decimal point (.). it looks as though you might have lost 
>> track of one.  ;^)
>>
>> LeRoy
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[Steve Butcher]

Good morning, Forum,
 I'm going to drop my price on the C19 to $80.00 net shipped in CONUS.
-Steve
  

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 5:31:05 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Price droo to $85.00 shiiped   Conus.  private message me if you're 
> intertested.
> -Steve
>
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:41:02 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> oops!  thanks for the clarification, LeRoy.  I should have done some 
>> proof reading.  I meant $90.00 shipped CONUS.  
>> Steve
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-6, LeRoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a spare decimal point (.). it looks as though you might have lost 
>>> track of one.  ;^)
>>>
>>> LeRoy
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[lambbo]

Steve, I've sent a couple private messages - are you getting them?  Thanks!

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:54:51 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Good morning, Forum,
>  I'm going to drop my price on the C19 to $80.00 net shipped in CONUS.
> -Steve
>   
>
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 5:31:05 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> Price droo to $85.00 shiiped   Conus.  private message me if you're 
>> intertested.
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:41:02 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> oops!  thanks for the clarification, LeRoy.  I should have done some 
>>> proof reading.  I meant $90.00 shipped CONUS.  
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-6, LeRoy wrote:

 Here's a spare decimal point (.). it looks as though you might have 
 lost track of one.  ;^)

 LeRoy




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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[Steve Butcher]

The saddle has been sold.

On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I'm offering for sale this C-19.  It has  been on my Roscoe  but have 
> decided to try  a change.  This saddle has had little use and always stored 
> indoors.  It has never been wet. The rails have slight marking from the 
> seat post clamp.  I'd rate it in excellent, like new condition.  I want 
> $100.00 for the saddle shipped in theCONUS.  paypal preferred.  Please 
> private message me with questions.
>  
> -Steve Butcher
>
> [image: 20190216_111506.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190216_111526.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190216_111526(2).jpeg]
> Stockton, Missouri.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17

[Ron Mc]

Greg, I'd say it's less anatomy than riding position.  I've been through 
all the leather saddle options (except Berthoud).  I have B17 (select) on 
my two more upright bikes, and Swallow (B15) on my two drop-bar road 
bikes.  When I first tried a Swallow, was surprised how invisible this 
saddle actually was in the correct riding position.  I'm not a small 
individual, at 6'3", 210 lbs.  

   
so I would say bar choice and height is biggest factor in whether you want 
B17 or B17N on your Sam.  



On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 2:45:38 PM UTC-5, Greg Beachy wrote:
>
> Hi all. I’ve decided to get a Brooks B17 for my Sam, however, I’m not sure 
> if I should go with the B17 or the B17 narrow. I’m interested in knowing if 
> height and weight make a difference or is it simply personal preference? 
> Any information, advice and sharing of experiences will be appreciated. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17

[Ron Mc]

Also going to report here on another saddle.  On her upright, my daughter 
was delighted from day one with the (now discontinued) B68S - and anybody 
should be in upright riding position.  

     

Over 4 years on her '86 Team Fuji (which she built with Ultegra 9sp), we 
went through many saddle tries:  B17 Imperial S, Rivet Indy (on trial), 
Specialized, and hit the sweet spot with Fabric Scoop Radius.  

   

I would say anyone who is looking for the no afterthought cozy saddle 
should begin here.  It's actually very similar to Brooks, with a flexible 
nylon pan, minimalist added padding, and breathable microfiber top.  

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17

[Greg Beachy]

Thanks everyone.  All very good and helpful information and experiences. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Despatch

[pb]

Is the geometry of the Mercian at the bottom of the page as tradly as it 
appears on that page?  It looks positively Edwardian.  DL-1-ian.  
Roadsterian.
 
Can also be seen on the John Boultbee clothing page, looking similar.
 
Peter
San Diego
 
 
 
   
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:05:57 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote:

> I just received the latest "Brooks Despatch" in my e-mail folder this 
> morning.  Here's a link if any of you are interested: 
>
>
> http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=779d0fc02cc4843db052687bf&id=e949f9f1f0&e=1885fd186c
>  
>
> I thought it was interesting that Brooks now makes their leather bags 
> in Britain (Birmingham), and canvas baggage in Italy (Tuscany). This 
> is a change from their previous manufacture in China. 
>
> Whatever your opinions are pertaining to the Chinese manufacture of 
> bicycle products, I think its nice to see them return to their 
> proximate point of origin.  When I think of Brooks, I definitely think 
> of a traditional British product. 
>
> *Note:  Many of these products aren't inexpensive, but they weren't 
> inexpensive when sourced from China either! 
>
> Jim Cloud 
> Tucson, AZ 
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[James M]

I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern 
- https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
adapter!

James in North Jersey

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
> model.
> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>
> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>
> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available as 
> it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist only 
> mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
> obtainable soon.
>
> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>
> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>
> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't fit 
> me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or traded 
> away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct difference in 
> the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much as I did in 
> the overall fit, shape, and design.
>
> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Roberta]

I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
saddle mainly for my Betty. 

I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  

When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
saddles I have.

There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information: 
   https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ

Roberta

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
> worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
> adapter!
>
> James in North Jersey
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
>> model.
>> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>>
>> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
>> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
>> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
>> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
>> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>>
>> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available 
>> as it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist 
>> only mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
>> obtainable soon.
>>
>> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
>> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
>> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
>> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
>> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
>> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
>> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
>> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
>> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>>
>> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
>> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
>> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
>> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
>> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
>> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
>> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
>> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>>
>> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't 
>> fit me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or 
>> traded away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct 
>> difference in the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much 
>> as I did in the overall fit, shape, and design.
>>
>> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
>> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
>> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
>> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
>> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Will Boericke]

If anybody is B72 curious and needs the adapter for a modern seatpost, I 
have one in the parts bin from years ago for $20 shipped.

Will

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 10:15:26 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
> England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
> direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
> this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
> three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
> warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
> read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
> Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
> saddle mainly for my Betty. 
>
> I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
> ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
> resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
> saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
> because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  
>
> When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
> saddles I have.
>
> There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information: 
>https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
>> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
>> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and 
>> has worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making 
>> an adapter!
>>
>> James in North Jersey
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
>>> model.
>>> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>>>
>>> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
>>> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
>>> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
>>> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
>>> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>>>
>>> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available 
>>> as it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist 
>>> only mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
>>> obtainable soon.
>>>
>>> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
>>> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
>>> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
>>> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
>>> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
>>> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
>>> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
>>> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
>>> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>>>
>>> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
>>> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
>>> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
>>> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
>>> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
>>> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
>>> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
>>> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>>>
>>> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't 
>>> fit me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or 
>>> traded away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct 
>>> difference in the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much 
>>> as I did in the overall fit, shape, and design.
>>>
>>> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
>>> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
>>> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
>>> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
>>> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>>>
>>> Brian Cole
>>> Lawrence NJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Kim H.]

@Roberta -

"Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past"

I have been using Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP for a very long time, years in 
fact for my leather shoes and my Brooks saddles that I did own.  I recently 
received in the mail a Brooks B-66 saddle from purchasing it on eBay. It is 
very dried out to say none the least. Have you every used Obenauf's Leather 
Oil to restore a leather saddle or other leather goods that you might own 
?  I am considering buying some and trying it out to moisturize the leather 
and bring it back to life. 

Thank-you,
Kim Hetzel. 

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:15:26 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
saddle mainly for my Betty. 

I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  

When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
saddles I have.

There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information: 
   https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ

Roberta

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
adapter!

James in North Jersey

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
model.
https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/

I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single rail 
model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought this 
was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find something 
of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil springs 
found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.

Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available as 
it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist only 
mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
obtainable soon.

I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.

We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
project, albeit too small and short lived.

I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't fit 
me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or traded 
away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct difference in 
the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much as I did in 
the overall fit, shape, and design.

I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B68 Video

[Brian Turner]

Looks great just from the glimpse of it. What kind of custom are you having 
built up? Is it road-ish? All-rounder? Traditional geometry? The I'm 
curious to see the red bits with the purple... that'll be unique.

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> I no longer ride Brooks saddles, but I am a big fan of this video 
> .
>  
> My new custom is enshrined in it. Apparently Mark had it in the stand when 
> Brian came around filming. You can tell that it's not a purple Platypus as 
> it has an RBW custom head badge and is fitted with Tektro red anodized 
> V-brakes.
>
> Look for it at 0:51 seconds.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B68 Video

[Dorothy C]

I like the gumball machine filled with brake boss paint protection caps at 
30 seconds in

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:25:31 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great just from the glimpse of it. What kind of custom are you 
> having built up? Is it road-ish? All-rounder? Traditional geometry? The I'm 
> curious to see the red bits with the purple... that'll be unique.
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> I no longer ride Brooks saddles, but I am a big fan of this video 
>> .
>>  
>> My new custom is enshrined in it. Apparently Mark had it in the stand when 
>> Brian came around filming. You can tell that it's not a purple Platypus as 
>> it has an RBW custom head badge and is fitted with Tektro red anodized 
>> V-brakes.
>>
>> Look for it at 0:51 seconds.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B68 Video

[Ryan]

Corwin...very nice! Is it finished and delivered yet?

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-6 Dorothy C wrote:

> I like the gumball machine filled with brake boss paint protection caps at 
> 30 seconds in
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:25:31 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks great just from the glimpse of it. What kind of custom are you 
>> having built up? Is it road-ish? All-rounder? Traditional geometry? The I'm 
>> curious to see the red bits with the purple... that'll be unique.
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> I no longer ride Brooks saddles, but I am a big fan of this video 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> My new custom is enshrined in it. Apparently Mark had it in the stand when 
>>> Brian came around filming. You can tell that it's not a purple Platypus as 
>>> it has an RBW custom head badge and is fitted with Tektro red anodized 
>>> V-brakes.
>>>
>>> Look for it at 0:51 seconds.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[J S]

Condition and price?

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
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> I have one, PM sent
>
> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[J S]

I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> Condition and price? 
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have one, PM sent
>>
>> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[J S]

I’m holding off for now. Having some riding issues.

Thanks

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 6:01 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
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> Perfect shape, rode around the block and it's not a good match. Basically
> new. How about $135?
>
> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 16:13:53 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Condition and price?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
>>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have one, PM sent

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> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[Valerie Yates]

Jeff — Since the original requester has opted out, I’d love to buy it, if 
it is still available. Will send a pm. 

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 4:00:47 PM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Perfect shape, rode around the block and it's not a good match. Basically 
> new. How about $135?
>
> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 16:13:53 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Condition and price? 
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
>>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have one, PM sent

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> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repairs

[lconley]

Firth and Wilson Transport Cycles -> transportcycle.com

Repairs sometimes cost more than new so check first, but I do understand 
attachment to old parts.

I had them build me up a Honey B-68 from parts including a chromed B-68 
frame that I sent them with a Honey B-67 cover. I call it a B-678 
Frankensaddle. Not the cheapest saddle on the planet.

Laing

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> Can anyone recommend an outfit that repairs Brooks saddles? I've got a B17 
> with a twisted nose and bent rails. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repairs

[Michael Morrissey]

Try Rudimeyr at gmail.com.

He rebuilds Brooks saddles.

I have two of his saddles and they are lovely.

M


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> with a twisted nose and bent rails. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repairs

[Eric Marth]

Cool, thanks Michael!

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:59:21 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Try Rudimeyr at gmail.com.
>
> He rebuilds Brooks saddles.
>
> I have two of his saddles and they are lovely.
>
> M
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:21:14 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can anyone recommend an outfit that repairs Brooks saddles? I've got a 
>> B17 with a twisted nose and bent rails. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repairs

[Eric Marth]

Michael – Must be a typo in the address you provided, it kicked back as 
"address not found". I used Rudimeyr as you suggested.  

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Cool, thanks Michael!
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:59:21 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Try Rudimeyr at gmail.com.
>>
>> He rebuilds Brooks saddles.
>>
>> I have two of his saddles and they are lovely.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:21:14 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone recommend an outfit that repairs Brooks saddles? I've got a 
>>> B17 with a twisted nose and bent rails. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repairs

[Roberta]

Simon at Firth and Wilson in Philadlelphia has “the” reputation. Nice guy 
too. 
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> with a twisted nose and bent rails. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repairs

[nlerner]

Rudi Mayr’s website is https://rhmsaddles.wordpress.com/author/rudimayr/.

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA

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> Michael – Must be a typo in the address you provided, it kicked back as 
> "address not found". I used Rudimeyr as you suggested.  
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Cool, thanks Michael!
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:59:21 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Try Rudimeyr at gmail.com.
>>>
>>> He rebuilds Brooks saddles.
>>>
>>> I have two of his saddles and they are lovely.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:21:14 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Can anyone recommend an outfit that repairs Brooks saddles? I've got a 
 B17 with a twisted nose and bent rails. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 repair

[richdpow...@gmail.com]

Simon Firth is a super nice guy with a lot of brooks and frame building 
experience. That is where I’d send it. He was a Bilenky builder for a 
number of years. I believe he is also from London, so you know, he has that 
in his corner! 

https://www.transportcycle.com/articles/brooks-saddle-repair-pg206.htm

If anyone on the list visits Philly stop by his shop. There are also a lot 
of great coffee and food options. Have a Cheesesteak or a hoagie. Swing by 
the La Colombe mother ship where it all started. 

Apparently, I have long-term saddle commitment issues. I’ve never worn a 
Brooks out. :-)

-Rich
DSM



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> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the 
> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>
> Doug Peterson
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 repair

[lconley]

+1 for Simon Firth. I had him build my Brooks B678 (chromed B68 frame that 
I supplied, honey B67 leather, large copper rivets). For a common saddle 
like a B17, It may be a wash as far as cost goes. But if you want to 
customize it (like large copper rivets), this is the only way to go. I 
probably have $300+ in mine, but I bought all of the parts separately, and 
triple chrome plating isn't cheap. I can also understand wanting to keep as 
much of the original saddle as possible. I still have the original 1973 
Brooks Professional (small copper rivets, chrome frame) that came on my 
Paramount. Someday it will be sent to Simon.

Laing

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:44:41 PM UTC-4 richdpow...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Simon Firth is a super nice guy with a lot of brooks and frame building 
> experience. That is where I’d send it. He was a Bilenky builder for a 
> number of years. I believe he is also from London, so you know, he has that 
> in his corner! 
>
> https://www.transportcycle.com/articles/brooks-saddle-repair-pg206.htm
>
> If anyone on the list visits Philly stop by his shop. There are also a lot 
> of great coffee and food options. Have a Cheesesteak or a hoagie. Swing by 
> the La Colombe mother ship where it all started. 
>
> Apparently, I have long-term saddle commitment issues. I’ve never worn a 
> Brooks out. :-)
>
> -Rich
> DSM
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>
>> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the 
>> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>>
>> Doug Peterson
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 repair

[Erik Wright]

Simon is the guy. I believe that's where Riv sends their saddles for 
repair, or at least they've shouted him out a couple times in the 
Blug/Blahg. One of his 2 shops is my LBS- it's in the same building that I 
have a pottery studio. One time I wheeled my bike into his shop for some 
reason and he noticed I was missing a rivet in my Selle Anatomica (how the 
heck did it just pop out??) and he hammered one in right then.

Erik, Philly

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> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the 
> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>
> Doug Peterson
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Repair Question

[eflayer]

i am guessing that the bolt and nut are actually two separate pieces
and if they were separated you could ease off the nut enough and the
bolt would fall out of the nose piece. just a guess.

On May 1, 3:22 pm, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I am trying to move a B72 leather top over to an intact chassis, but I
> can't figure out how to get the nose pieces apart. The bolt just spins
> when I turn the nut. Is there some tool, technique or braincell I'm
> missing?
>
> Flickr pictures:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5672536071/
> The whole 
> story:http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/brooks-repair-question/
>
> Thanks,
>  Philip
>
>  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Repair Question

[Philip Williamson]

You might be right about the nut and bolt being separate, but I'm
reluctant to get my mini-pipe wrench on the threads.

 Philip

On May 1, 6:55 pm, eflayer  wrote:
> i am guessing that the bolt and nut are actually two separate pieces
> and if they were separated you could ease off the nut enough and the
> bolt would fall out of the nose piece. just a guess.
>
> On May 1, 3:22 pm, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to move a B72 leather top over to an intact chassis, but I
> > can't figure out how to get the nose pieces apart. The bolt just spins
> > when I turn the nut. Is there some tool, technique or braincell I'm
> > missing?
>
> > Flickr pictures:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5672536071/
> > The whole 
> > story:http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/brooks-repair-question/
>
> > Thanks,
> >  Philip
>
> >  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Repair Question

[eflayer]

have this conversation with the owner of wallbike.com:

http://www.wallbike.com/

he is an incredibly nice guy and should know the definitive answer to
your question.

or you can see that Brooks calls it an assembly which might suggest
two separate pieces:

http://www.brooksengland.com/en/Shop_ProductPage.aspx?cat=spareparts+-+noses%2c+etc.&prod=Tension+Pin+%26+Nut+Assembly+64+mm+-+BMP+173

On May 1, 8:00 pm, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> You might be right about the nut and bolt being separate, but I'm
> reluctant to get my mini-pipe wrench on the threads.
>
>  Philip
>
> On May 1, 6:55 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
> > i am guessing that the bolt and nut are actually two separate pieces
> > and if they were separated you could ease off the nut enough and the
> > bolt would fall out of the nose piece. just a guess.
>
> > On May 1, 3:22 pm, Philip Williamson 
> > wrote:
>
> > > I am trying to move a B72 leather top over to an intact chassis, but I
> > > can't figure out how to get the nose pieces apart. The bolt just spins
> > > when I turn the nut. Is there some tool, technique or braincell I'm
> > > missing?
>
> > > Flickr pictures:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5672536071/
> > > The whole 
> > > story:http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/brooks-repair-question/
>
> > > Thanks,
> > >  Philip
>
> > >  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[Lisa -S.H.]

Todd Olsen wrote:
> has anyone had any experience with the Brooks Upgrade Service offered
> by Selle An Atomica?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Olsen
FWIWA woman on the women's biking forum had a cut-out put in her 
Brooks by Selle-A-A, and the frame of the Brooks saddle BROKE shortly 
afterwards.  Here's a picture:
*http://tinyurl.com/mvk23f
You can see the crack right below where the rail connects to the frame.
Lisa
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[Timothy Whalen]

Hi Todd,

I have a B17 that was modified by Sella some years ago.  It is my favorite
saddle and I've got thousands of trouble free and 190 - 210 pound rider
miles on it.  I just had another one modified but have not ridden it yet.

I recommend calling Tom directly at their CA number to coordinate the whole
thing.

Tim Whalen

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Lisa -S.H.  wrote:

>
>
>
> Todd Olsen wrote:
> > has anyone had any experience with the Brooks Upgrade Service offered
> > by Selle An Atomica?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Olsen
> FWIWA woman on the women's biking forum had a cut-out put in her
> Brooks by Selle-A-A, and the frame of the Brooks saddle BROKE shortly
> afterwards.  Here's a picture:
> *http://tinyurl.com/mvk23f
> You can see the crack right below where the rail connects to the frame.
> Lisa
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>
> >
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[Lynne Fitz]

I have.  The saddle is currently in detention, because I haven't had
time to mess with the tensioning.  It is an improvement, though.

On Aug 13, 9:45 am, Timothy Whalen  wrote:
> Hi Todd,
>
> I have a B17 that was modified by Sella some years ago.  It is my favorite
> saddle and I've got thousands of trouble free and 190 - 210 pound rider
> miles on it.  I just had another one modified but have not ridden it yet.
>
> I recommend calling Tom directly at their CA number to coordinate the whole
> thing.
>
> Tim Whalen
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Lisa -S.H.  wrote:
>
> > Todd Olsen wrote:
> > > has anyone had any experience with the Brooks Upgrade Service offered
> > > by Selle An Atomica?
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Todd Olsen
> > FWIWA woman on the women's biking forum had a cut-out put in her
> > Brooks by Selle-A-A, and the frame of the Brooks saddle BROKE shortly
> > afterwards.  Here's a picture:
> > *http://tinyurl.com/mvk23f
> > You can see the crack right below where the rail connects to the frame.
> > Lisa
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>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[Bob H.]

Yes, I have a Brooks Professional that was cut and upgraded with the
"clydesdale" laminate. Probably a thousand or more miles on it since.
It rides on a fixed gear road bike that has about 3 inches of drop
from the saddle to the top of the bars. Riding long distance fixed you
seem to spend less time out of the saddle (unless climbing), so this
is a testament to the comfort. It's made me think about having the
same done to other Brooks I own.

Bob H.
Knoxville TN

On Aug 13, 3:05 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
> has anyone had any experience with the Brooks Upgrade Service offered
> by Selle An Atomica?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Olsen
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[R Gonet]

Why not just buy a Selle Anatomica in the first place?  Out of the box
they're much more comfortable than a broken-in B-17, IMO.


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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[Todd Olsen]

i was thinking of doing just that.  i currently have B-17 that I
purchased with my bicycle.  have ridden it about 1300 miles.  it is
pretty comfortable, but i have a sense that i may be able to do
better.  i will probably continue to ride it another 1000 miles or so,
try some tweaks such as raise a nose a little, maybe put a little
conditioner on it, see if i can loosen the tension bolt a half turn
(never been tightened).  but if that does not work, i am considering
the "Brooks Upgrade Service" offered by Selle An Atomica.  another
option would be to switch to the selle an atomica altogether.

do you have experience with both a broken in B-17 and the SAA?

BTW, i noticed RBW no longer has the SAA on its website.

todd olsen

On Aug 14, 2:43 pm, R Gonet  wrote:
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> they're much more comfortable than a broken-in B-17, IMO.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service

[R Gonet]

I have a B-71 with about 1200 miles on it and two SA's.  The Brooks
just isn't as comfortable and I have it mounted on my Quickbeam
because I can't ride a single speed as far as my other bikes and I'm
out of the saddle more.  If someone wanted to buy it, I would replace
it with another SA.  It's honey, with the copper rivets, never ridden
in the rain, nice patina, tension bolt adjusted once, then loosened to
see if that would help.  Maybe it's just my butt.

On Aug 15, 10:08 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
> i was thinking of doing just that.  i currently have B-17 that I
> purchased with my bicycle.  have ridden it about 1300 miles.  it is
> pretty comfortable, but i have a sense that i may be able to do
> better.  i will probably continue to ride it another 1000 miles or so,
> try some tweaks such as raise a nose a little, maybe put a little
> conditioner on it, see if i can loosen the tension bolt a half turn
> (never been tightened).  but if that does not work, i am considering
> the "Brooks Upgrade Service" offered by Selle An Atomica.  another
> option would be to switch to the selle an atomica altogether.
>
> do you have experience with both a broken in B-17 and the SAA?
>
> BTW, i noticed RBW no longer has the SAA on its website.
>
> todd olsen
>
> On Aug 14, 2:43 pm, R Gonet  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why not just buy a Selle Anatomica in the first place?  Out of the box
> > they're much more comfortable than a broken-in B-17, IMO.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle Squeaks

[Frank]

Bees wax or grease on the rail clamps and the seat post bolts. Then tighten 
'em. Works for me.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle Squeaks

[Mike S]

I had a noisy B17 for a while and finally the noise stopped... when
the tension bolt broke apart. I noticed that bolrt had been getting
loose a while and then one day while carrying my bike upstairs by the
nose of the saddle, snapperoo. Brooks said I should've been tightening
it more, but agreed to cover a repair. This was probably a rare
occurrence, but something to be aware of.

On Feb 23, 11:29 pm, Larry Schellhase  wrote:
> My Brooks Champion Special squeaks when I ride it. I had it off my bike for
> a couple of years but I missed the looks and feel so I remounted it a
> couple of weeks ago and for a while it was quiet but now the noise is back.
> I hate noisey bikes. It is impossible for me to tell where the saddle is
> squeaking. Any ideas on how to quiet the beast?
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle Squeaks

[Montclair BobbyB]

In my experience it's always a case of something being loose... mostly
due to loose rails... although in one case my tensioning bolt was the
culprit.  In general, grease and proper tightening WILL solve the
problem; it comes down to ensuring you have the right amount of
BOTH... don't be stingy with either.

Hope that works for you.

BB

On Feb 24, 9:26 am, Steve Hemmelgarn  wrote:
> Larry,
> One of my Brooks saddles developed a squeak recently. I was able to stop the 
> sqeak by applying a bit of oil to the point where the rails pivot at the nose 
> of the saddle. I had tried lubing many other places without success.
>
> Steve
>
> From: Larry Schellhase 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:29 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Brooks Saddle Squeaks
>
> My Brooks Champion Special squeaks when I ride it. I had it off my bike for a 
> couple of years but I missed the looks and feel so I remounted it a couple of 
> weeks ago and for a while it was quiet but now the noise is back. I hate 
> noisey bikes. It is impossible for me to tell where the saddle is squeaking. 
> Any ideas on how to quiet the beast?
>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks and Tectron

[Evan]

According to Riv, "a new saddle doesn't need it [Obenauf's], but after
a few months, put some of this on it." So perhaps you can wait a while
to treat your saddle. (From the research I've done on Brooks saddles,
it seems more people harm the saddles by overtreating them than by
undertreating them.)

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[JoelMatthews]

If you are talking about these:

http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/bags/bricklanepanniers/brick.html

definitely not meant for long distance.  This is a thoughtful - and
welcome re-make of classic panniers from pre-car days.  They are meant
for hauling groceries, picnics, and other modest cargo in the rainy
climate on the British isles.

You don't need internal bracing for a good touring pannier - Ortlieb
roll up panniers are among the best long distance panniers made and do
not have internal bracing.  But you do need something made rugged.
Brick Lane panniers are not designed for long distance touring.  As
you point out, they do not really seal shut.  And the mounting
hardware is built to look good while remaining easy to use, not to
clamp onto your rack for hours long hauls over washboard pavement.
Doesn't make them bad.  In fact, I am seriously considering them for
around town use.

If you are looking for panniers for touring but still smart enough for
around town use, check out this nice design from a one person outfit
in Portland called Lemolo:

http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/pannier-pictures/#comment-262

The bags appears to be a great design.  Arkel mounting hardware is up
there with Ortlieb as among the most adaptable and durable.  In my
opinion the bags look great.

On Dec 26, 10:24 am, William Henderson 
wrote:
> I just got a set of Brooks panniers as a gift yesterday.  I've
> inspected them a bit and they appear to be quite well made, handsome,
> and quite capacious.  I'm out of town and so haven't had a chance to
> see how they might fit on the back of my bike.  Anyway, I was hoping
> to solicit the opinions of anyone that might have used these bags?
> Not sure if it's because they are new or so expensive, but there isn't
> much info about them online.  Certainly not a thorough review.  Just
> looking at them, they seem to be primarily designed as commuters or
> grocery haulers.  The flaps, for example, don't seem like they'd do a
> great job keeping out water.  Also, I'm not sure how they'll ride when
> full since they have no stiffener.  What I'm really looking for is
> some panniers that are stylish enough for everyday use but also
> perform adequately on longer rides and tours.  Are these it?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[William Henderson]

Thanks for the link to Lemolo Joel.  Those bags look quite a bit more
capable, and are actually $25 less than the Brooks!  Has anyone here
used them?  There's also a dearth of info of them on the web.
Wondering about water?

These Brooks bags are truly beautiful (more so than even the Lemolos,
IMHO) and will be hard to give up, but I do agree that they are
probably not cut out for touring.  FWIW though, the material appears
to be very durable, thick canvas stock.  Easily as thick and durable
as the old baggins panniers Riv. used to make (on that note, I've been
told they will be making some again 'soon', so I may wait and see what
they come up with).   The straps are also quite thick and solid
looking, however the way they are sewn into the bag is slightly less
solid and could be a potential point of failure.  Also, there are only
straps for the top of the bag (none on the bottom), so the bags will
probably flop a bit, putting more stress on the aforementioned top
straps.   All that being said, they are overall pretty solid looking.
I'd easily trust them for long day rides, and probably even on my 2-3
weekend trips.  I'm seriously considering keeping them for just that
(and all my day-to-day around-town trafficking, obviously) and then
buying some Ortliebs or whatever whenever I plan a longer trip.  It's
just that nagging conscience about owning two sets of panniers (one of
them a $300 set) that is keeping me from doing this...

Here's to hoping someone (Rivendell, say) will simply take this exact
Brooks design and slightly enlarge them, add proper mounts, and
improve the flap design.  According to Brook's catalog, they are also
working on a 'touring' pannier set (coming 'soon', again) but I can
pretty much guarantee they will be unaffordable.

wc.

On Dec 26, 8:52 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> If you are talking about these:
>
> http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/bags/bricklanepanniers/brick.html
>
> definitely not meant for long distance.  This is a thoughtful - and
> welcome re-make of classic panniers from pre-car days.  They are meant
> for hauling groceries, picnics, and other modest cargo in the rainy
> climate on the British isles.
>
> You don't need internal bracing for a good touring pannier - Ortlieb
> roll up panniers are among the best long distance panniers made and do
> not have internal bracing.  But you do need something made rugged.
> Brick Lane panniers are not designed for long distance touring.  As
> you point out, they do not really seal shut.  And the mounting
> hardware is built to look good while remaining easy to use, not to
> clamp onto your rack for hours long hauls over washboard pavement.
> Doesn't make them bad.  In fact, I am seriously considering them for
> around town use.
>
> If you are looking for panniers for touring but still smart enough for
> around town use, check out this nice design from a one person outfit
> in Portland called Lemolo:
>
> http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/pannier-pictures/#comment-262
>
> The bags appears to be a great design.  Arkel mounting hardware is up
> there with Ortlieb as among the most adaptable and durable.  In my
> opinion the bags look great.
>
> On Dec 26, 10:24 am, William Henderson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just got a set of Brooks panniers as a gift yesterday.  I've
> > inspected them a bit and they appear to be quite well made, handsome,
> > and quite capacious.  I'm out of town and so haven't had a chance to
> > see how they might fit on the back of my bike.  Anyway, I was hoping
> > to solicit the opinions of anyone that might have used these bags?
> > Not sure if it's because they are new or so expensive, but there isn't
> > much info about them online.  Certainly not a thorough review.  Just
> > looking at them, they seem to be primarily designed as commuters or
> > grocery haulers.  The flaps, for example, don't seem like they'd do a
> > great job keeping out water.  Also, I'm not sure how they'll ride when
> > full since they have no stiffener.  What I'm really looking for is
> > some panniers that are stylish enough for everyday use but also
> > perform adequately on longer rides and tours.  Are these it?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[JoelMatthews]

I do not have the panniers - yet.

But I have the basket bag.  It is very well made - surprisingly so
when you consider this is a one person operation.  Basically a guy
with a commercial sewing machine.  The basket bag has a waterproof
lining that has worked well for me.

I have Ortlieb and like them a lot.  But I am thinking about the
Lemolo because they look so darn much better.

On Dec 26, 5:24 pm, William Henderson 
wrote:
> Thanks for the link to Lemolo Joel.  Those bags look quite a bit more
> capable, and are actually $25 less than the Brooks!  Has anyone here
> used them?  There's also a dearth of info of them on the web.
> Wondering about water?
>
> These Brooks bags are truly beautiful (more so than even the Lemolos,
> IMHO) and will be hard to give up, but I do agree that they are
> probably not cut out for touring.  FWIW though, the material appears
> to be very durable, thick canvas stock.  Easily as thick and durable
> as the old baggins panniers Riv. used to make (on that note, I've been
> told they will be making some again 'soon', so I may wait and see what
> they come up with).   The straps are also quite thick and solid
> looking, however the way they are sewn into the bag is slightly less
> solid and could be a potential point of failure.  Also, there are only
> straps for the top of the bag (none on the bottom), so the bags will
> probably flop a bit, putting more stress on the aforementioned top
> straps.   All that being said, they are overall pretty solid looking.
> I'd easily trust them for long day rides, and probably even on my 2-3
> weekend trips.  I'm seriously considering keeping them for just that
> (and all my day-to-day around-town trafficking, obviously) and then
> buying some Ortliebs or whatever whenever I plan a longer trip.  It's
> just that nagging conscience about owning two sets of panniers (one of
> them a $300 set) that is keeping me from doing this...
>
> Here's to hoping someone (Rivendell, say) will simply take this exact
> Brooks design and slightly enlarge them, add proper mounts, and
> improve the flap design.  According to Brook's catalog, they are also
> working on a 'touring' pannier set (coming 'soon', again) but I can
> pretty much guarantee they will be unaffordable.
>
> wc.
>
> On Dec 26, 8:52 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > If you are talking about these:
>
> >http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/bags/bricklanepanniers/brick.html
>
> > definitely not meant for long distance.  This is a thoughtful - and
> > welcome re-make of classic panniers from pre-car days.  They are meant
> > for hauling groceries, picnics, and other modest cargo in the rainy
> > climate on the British isles.
>
> > You don't need internal bracing for a good touring pannier - Ortlieb
> > roll up panniers are among the best long distance panniers made and do
> > not have internal bracing.  But you do need something made rugged.
> > Brick Lane panniers are not designed for long distance touring.  As
> > you point out, they do not really seal shut.  And the mounting
> > hardware is built to look good while remaining easy to use, not to
> > clamp onto your rack for hours long hauls over washboard pavement.
> > Doesn't make them bad.  In fact, I am seriously considering them for
> > around town use.
>
> > If you are looking for panniers for touring but still smart enough for
> > around town use, check out this nice design from a one person outfit
> > in Portland called Lemolo:
>
> >http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/pannier-pictures/#comment-262
>
> > The bags appears to be a great design.  Arkel mounting hardware is up
> > there with Ortlieb as among the most adaptable and durable.  In my
> > opinion the bags look great.
>
> > On Dec 26, 10:24 am, William Henderson 
> > wrote:
>
> > > I just got a set of Brooks panniers as a gift yesterday.  I've
> > > inspected them a bit and they appear to be quite well made, handsome,
> > > and quite capacious.  I'm out of town and so haven't had a chance to
> > > see how they might fit on the back of my bike.  Anyway, I was hoping
> > > to solicit the opinions of anyone that might have used these bags?
> > > Not sure if it's because they are new or so expensive, but there isn't
> > > much info about them online.  Certainly not a thorough review.  Just
> > > looking at them, they seem to be primarily designed as commuters or
> > > grocery haulers.  The flaps, for example, don't seem like they'd do a
> > > great job keeping out water.  Also, I'm not sure how they'll ride when
> > > full since they have no stiffener.  What I'm really looking for is
> > > some panniers that are stylish enough for everyday use but also
> > > perform adequately on longer rides and tours.  Are these it?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[MichaelS]

Hello all-

When it comes to panniers, I can't recommend highly enough the Super C
panniers form Carradice.  They're made of stout cotton canvas, are
totally waterproof, and have the best mounting hardware I've ever
encountered.  I've toured thousands of miles with them and I've had
them on my bike, daily, through five crappy, wet, icy, salty, slushy
Boston winters (working on number six) and don't have a single
complaint.  My stuff has *never* gotten wet.  I have a set of Ortliebs
for the front when I go on extended tours and really prefer the Super
Cs.  My major issue with the Ortliebs is that they keep water *in* as
well as they keep it *out.*  When you're on the road for days or
weeks in rainy weather this leads to constantly damp and soggy gear.
The Carradices seem to "breathe" a bit so the gear doesn't tend to
stay as soggy.

Also, they've taken on a really nice patina (beausage?)  The last
photo here was taken three years ago:



Happy New Year guys and gals!

Cheers- Mike


On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 6:24 PM, William Henderson
 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link to Lemolo Joel.  Those bags look quite a bit more
> capable, and are actually $25 less than the Brooks!  Has anyone here
> used them?  There's also a dearth of info of them on the web.
> Wondering about water?
>
> These Brooks bags are truly beautiful (more so than even the Lemolos,
> IMHO) and will be hard to give up, but I do agree that they are
> probably not cut out for touring.  FWIW though, the material appears
> to be very durable, thick canvas stock.  Easily as thick and durable
> as the old baggins panniers Riv. used to make (on that note, I've been
> told they will be making some again 'soon', so I may wait and see what
> they come up with).   The straps are also quite thick and solid
> looking, however the way they are sewn into the bag is slightly less
> solid and could be a potential point of failure.  Also, there are only
> straps for the top of the bag (none on the bottom), so the bags will
> probably flop a bit, putting more stress on the aforementioned top
> straps.   All that being said, they are overall pretty solid looking.
> I'd easily trust them for long day rides, and probably even on my 2-3
> weekend trips.  I'm seriously considering keeping them for just that
> (and all my day-to-day around-town trafficking, obviously) and then
> buying some Ortliebs or whatever whenever I plan a longer trip.  It's
> just that nagging conscience about owning two sets of panniers (one of
> them a $300 set) that is keeping me from doing this...
>
> Here's to hoping someone (Rivendell, say) will simply take this exact
> Brooks design and slightly enlarge them, add proper mounts, and
> improve the flap design.  According to Brook's catalog, they are also
> working on a 'touring' pannier set (coming 'soon', again) but I can
> pretty much guarantee they will be unaffordable.
>
> wc.
>
> On Dec 26, 8:52 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> If you are talking about these:
>>
>> http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/bags/bricklanepanniers/brick.html
>>
>> definitely not meant for long distance.  This is a thoughtful - and
>> welcome re-make of classic panniers from pre-car days.  They are meant
>> for hauling groceries, picnics, and other modest cargo in the rainy
>> climate on the British isles.
>>
>> You don't need internal bracing for a good touring pannier - Ortlieb
>> roll up panniers are among the best long distance panniers made and do
>> not have internal bracing.  But you do need something made rugged.
>> Brick Lane panniers are not designed for long distance touring.  As
>> you point out, they do not really seal shut.  And the mounting
>> hardware is built to look good while remaining easy to use, not to
>> clamp onto your rack for hours long hauls over washboard pavement.
>> Doesn't make them bad.  In fact, I am seriously considering them for
>> around town use.
>>
>> If you are looking for panniers for touring but still smart enough for
>> around town use, check out this nice design from a one person outfit
>> in Portland called Lemolo:
>>
>> http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/pannier-pictures/#comment-262
>>
>> The bags appears to be a great design.  Arkel mounting hardware is up
>> there with Ortlieb as among the most adaptable and durable.  In my
>> opinion the bags look great.
>>
>> On Dec 26, 10:24 am, William Henderson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I just got a set of Brooks panniers as a gift yesterday.  I've
>> > inspected them a bit and they appear to be quite well made, handsome,
>> > and quite capacious.  I'm out of town and so haven't had a chance to
>> > see how they might fit on the back of my bike.  Anyway, I was hoping
>> > to solicit the opinions of anyone that might have used these bags?
>> > Not sure if it's because they are new or so expensive, but there isn't
>> > much info about them online.  Certainly not a thorough review.  Just
>> > looking at them, they seem to

[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[William Henderson]

Those Super Cs look nice - where did you get them in tan?  I only see
black online...

wc.

On Dec 26, 3:44 pm, MichaelS  wrote:
> Hello all-
>
> When it comes to panniers, I can't recommend highly enough the Super C
> panniers form Carradice.  They're made of stout cotton canvas, are
> totally waterproof, and have the best mounting hardware I've ever
> encountered.  I've toured thousands of miles with them and I've had
> them on my bike, daily, through five crappy, wet, icy, salty, slushy
> Boston winters (working on number six) and don't have a single
> complaint.  My stuff has *never* gotten wet.  I have a set of Ortliebs
> for the front when I go on extended tours and really prefer the Super
> Cs.  My major issue with the Ortliebs is that they keep water *in* as
> well as they keep it *out.*  When you're on the road for days or
> weeks in rainy weather this leads to constantly damp and soggy gear.
> The Carradices seem to "breathe" a bit so the gear doesn't tend to
> stay as soggy.
>
> Also, they've taken on a really nice patina (beausage?)  The last
> photo here was taken three years ago:
>
> 
>
> Happy New Year guys and gals!
>
> Cheers- Mike
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 6:24 PM, William Henderson
>
>
>
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link to Lemolo Joel.  Those bags look quite a bit more
> > capable, and are actually $25 less than the Brooks!  Has anyone here
> > used them?  There's also a dearth of info of them on the web.
> > Wondering about water?
>
> > These Brooks bags are truly beautiful (more so than even the Lemolos,
> > IMHO) and will be hard to give up, but I do agree that they are
> > probably not cut out for touring.  FWIW though, the material appears
> > to be very durable, thick canvas stock.  Easily as thick and durable
> > as the old baggins panniers Riv. used to make (on that note, I've been
> > told they will be making some again 'soon', so I may wait and see what
> > they come up with).   The straps are also quite thick and solid
> > looking, however the way they are sewn into the bag is slightly less
> > solid and could be a potential point of failure.  Also, there are only
> > straps for the top of the bag (none on the bottom), so the bags will
> > probably flop a bit, putting more stress on the aforementioned top
> > straps.   All that being said, they are overall pretty solid looking.
> > I'd easily trust them for long day rides, and probably even on my 2-3
> > weekend trips.  I'm seriously considering keeping them for just that
> > (and all my day-to-day around-town trafficking, obviously) and then
> > buying some Ortliebs or whatever whenever I plan a longer trip.  It's
> > just that nagging conscience about owning two sets of panniers (one of
> > them a $300 set) that is keeping me from doing this...
>
> > Here's to hoping someone (Rivendell, say) will simply take this exact
> > Brooks design and slightly enlarge them, add proper mounts, and
> > improve the flap design.  According to Brook's catalog, they are also
> > working on a 'touring' pannier set (coming 'soon', again) but I can
> > pretty much guarantee they will be unaffordable.
>
> > wc.
>
> > On Dec 26, 8:52 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> >> If you are talking about these:
>
> >>http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/bags/bricklanepanniers/brick.html
>
> >> definitely not meant for long distance.  This is a thoughtful - and
> >> welcome re-make of classic panniers from pre-car days.  They are meant
> >> for hauling groceries, picnics, and other modest cargo in the rainy
> >> climate on the British isles.
>
> >> You don't need internal bracing for a good touring pannier - Ortlieb
> >> roll up panniers are among the best long distance panniers made and do
> >> not have internal bracing.  But you do need something made rugged.
> >> Brick Lane panniers are not designed for long distance touring.  As
> >> you point out, they do not really seal shut.  And the mounting
> >> hardware is built to look good while remaining easy to use, not to
> >> clamp onto your rack for hours long hauls over washboard pavement.
> >> Doesn't make them bad.  In fact, I am seriously considering them for
> >> around town use.
>
> >> If you are looking for panniers for touring but still smart enough for
> >> around town use, check out this nice design from a one person outfit
> >> in Portland called Lemolo:
>
> >>http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/pannier-pictures/#comment-262
>
> >> The bags appears to be a great design.  Arkel mounting hardware is up
> >> there with Ortlieb as among the most adaptable and durable.  In my
> >> opinion the bags look great.
>
> >> On Dec 26, 10:24 am, William Henderson 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > I just got a set of Brooks panniers as a gift yesterday.  I've
> >> > inspected them a bit and they appear to be quite well made, handsome,
> >> > and quite capacious.  I'm out of town and so haven't had a chance to
> >> > see how they might fit on the back of my bike

[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[MichaelS]

Those are, or rather were, black.   Lots of sunny touring miles and
years of commuting faded them to that, so you've got to *earn* a tan
set.  (They actually look more gray than tan in real life.)  It always
shocks people when I show them the inside, which hasn't faded.  Makes
me feel like a real badass tourer...

I have a green Carradice saddlebag that I got from Riv years ago that
was a part of a special run.  Every once in a while hear of Carradice
doing a special run for a rally or somesuch, then they sell the excess
through vendors.  I think Wallbike had some interesting colored
Carradice bags a few years ago.  Maybe get in touch with Carradice and
see if they have anything interesting.

Cheers- Mike


On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:12 PM, William Henderson
 wrote:
>
> Those Super Cs look nice - where did you get them in tan?  I only see
> black online...
>
> wc.
>
> On Dec 26, 3:44 pm, MichaelS  wrote:
>> Hello all-
>>
>> When it comes to panniers, I can't recommend highly enough the Super C
>> panniers form Carradice.  They're made of stout cotton canvas, are
>> totally waterproof, and have the best mounting hardware I've ever
>> encountered.  I've toured thousands of miles with them and I've had
>> them on my bike, daily, through five crappy, wet, icy, salty, slushy
>> Boston winters (working on number six) and don't have a single
>> complaint.  My stuff has *never* gotten wet.  I have a set of Ortliebs
>> for the front when I go on extended tours and really prefer the Super
>> Cs.  My major issue with the Ortliebs is that they keep water *in* as
>> well as they keep it *out.*  When you're on the road for days or
>> weeks in rainy weather this leads to constantly damp and soggy gear.
>> The Carradices seem to "breathe" a bit so the gear doesn't tend to
>> stay as soggy.
>>
>> Also, they've taken on a really nice patina (beausage?)  The last
>> photo here was taken three years ago:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Happy New Year guys and gals!
>>
>> Cheers- Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 6:24 PM, William Henderson
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the link to Lemolo Joel.  Those bags look quite a bit more
>> > capable, and are actually $25 less than the Brooks!  Has anyone here
>> > used them?  There's also a dearth of info of them on the web.
>> > Wondering about water?
>>
>> > These Brooks bags are truly beautiful (more so than even the Lemolos,
>> > IMHO) and will be hard to give up, but I do agree that they are
>> > probably not cut out for touring.  FWIW though, the material appears
>> > to be very durable, thick canvas stock.  Easily as thick and durable
>> > as the old baggins panniers Riv. used to make (on that note, I've been
>> > told they will be making some again 'soon', so I may wait and see what
>> > they come up with).   The straps are also quite thick and solid
>> > looking, however the way they are sewn into the bag is slightly less
>> > solid and could be a potential point of failure.  Also, there are only
>> > straps for the top of the bag (none on the bottom), so the bags will
>> > probably flop a bit, putting more stress on the aforementioned top
>> > straps.   All that being said, they are overall pretty solid looking.
>> > I'd easily trust them for long day rides, and probably even on my 2-3
>> > weekend trips.  I'm seriously considering keeping them for just that
>> > (and all my day-to-day around-town trafficking, obviously) and then
>> > buying some Ortliebs or whatever whenever I plan a longer trip.  It's
>> > just that nagging conscience about owning two sets of panniers (one of
>> > them a $300 set) that is keeping me from doing this...
>>
>> > Here's to hoping someone (Rivendell, say) will simply take this exact
>> > Brooks design and slightly enlarge them, add proper mounts, and
>> > improve the flap design.  According to Brook's catalog, they are also
>> > working on a 'touring' pannier set (coming 'soon', again) but I can
>> > pretty much guarantee they will be unaffordable.
>>
>> > wc.
>>
>> > On Dec 26, 8:52 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> >> If you are talking about these:
>>
>> >>http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/bags/bricklanepanniers/brick.html
>>
>> >> definitely not meant for long distance.  This is a thoughtful - and
>> >> welcome re-make of classic panniers from pre-car days.  They are meant
>> >> for hauling groceries, picnics, and other modest cargo in the rainy
>> >> climate on the British isles.
>>
>> >> You don't need internal bracing for a good touring pannier - Ortlieb
>> >> roll up panniers are among the best long distance panniers made and do
>> >> not have internal bracing.  But you do need something made rugged.
>> >> Brick Lane panniers are not designed for long distance touring.  As
>> >> you point out, they do not really seal shut.  And the mounting
>> >> hardware is built to look good while remaining easy to use, not to
>> >> clamp onto your rack for hours long hauls over washboard pavement.
>> >> Does

[RBW] Re: Brooks Panniers, Anyone?

[charlie]

I like the looks of the Brooks panniers and if they were a gift I
would use them and be happy as a clam. Who cares if the flaps don't
come down as far. I'd use a plastic bag inside and forget about it or
I'd get some rain covers for real monsoons. The fabric going over the
top should support the bags fine and I don't see a problem modifying
them with a strap for the bottom  to attach to the rack. You have to
think how many times will you be riding in a downpour on the 2-3 trips
you will take each year. I'd go for the classic looks, especially if
they are going on a Riv or other classic style bike.  I like the way
they roll up as shown on the site photo along with their simple
construction and style.

On Dec 26, 8:24 am, William Henderson 
wrote:
> I just got a set of Brooks panniers as a gift yesterday.  I've
> inspected them a bit and they appear to be quite well made, handsome,
> and quite capacious.  I'm out of town and so haven't had a chance to
> see how they might fit on the back of my bike.  Anyway, I was hoping
> to solicit the opinions of anyone that might have used these bags?
> Not sure if it's because they are new or so expensive, but there isn't
> much info about them online.  Certainly not a thorough review.  Just
> looking at them, they seem to be primarily designed as commuters or
> grocery haulers.  The flaps, for example, don't seem like they'd do a
> great job keeping out water.  Also, I'm not sure how they'll ride when
> full since they have no stiffener.  What I'm really looking for is
> some panniers that are stylish enough for everyday use but also
> perform adequately on longer rides and tours.  Are these it?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:56 PM, chris love  wrote:
>
> I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.

I've only ridden a b17 twice but in both cases they were brand new -
never ridden and in both cases they immediately had give and I have to
say were quite comfortable right off the bat.

My only problem with the brooks is the leather - everything else about
them seems to be exactly what a lot of people want from a saddle.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Doug Peterson]

You might take up a bit on the tension bolt.  There's some variation from
saddle to saddle as to softness or give even when new.  Their normally a bit
"stiffish" (hard to quantify) right out of the box but IME they soften up in
a couple of rides.  

How's the leather look overall?  If clean, no stains, etc. it probably is
low mileage.  

dougP

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Subject: [RBW] Brooks Saddle question


I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.




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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Murray Love]

>
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris love
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:57 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Brooks Saddle question
>
>
> I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
>
> -Original Message-
>
>
Some Brookses break in a lot more quickly than others, and can overshoot to
being uncomfortably saggy, with the sides splaying out whenever you put
weight on it.  I have one of this kind on my fixie, and I restored its
comfort by drilling and lacing the flaps.  It helps tremendously in
retaining the structure of the saddle, and brought this one back to life.

I have never touched the tension bolt on that saddle.  In my experience, it
is easy to overdo it and overstress the rails, shortening their life.

Murray
Victoria, BC

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[James Valiensi]

Murray,
I have a bunch of Brooks saddles. The newer ones "give" as you  
described. Some of the older ones were like oak planks.
Cheers!
On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Murray Love wrote:

> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:57 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Brooks Saddle question
>
>
> I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
>
> -Original Message-
>
>
> Some Brookses break in a lot more quickly than others, and can  
> overshoot to being uncomfortably saggy, with the sides splaying out  
> whenever you put weight on it.  I have one of this kind on my  
> fixie, and I restored its comfort by drilling and lacing the  
> flaps.  It helps tremendously in retaining the structure of the  
> saddle, and brought this one back to life.
>
> I have never touched the tension bolt on that saddle.  In my  
> experience, it is easy to overdo it and overstress the rails,  
> shortening their life.
>
> Murray
> Victoria, BC
>
> >


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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[tdusky]

All of my B17's take about 3 to 5 thousand miles to make them give as
you described, and I weigh 210. I have bought 3 B17's Campion Specials
in the last 3 years and they are all planks. Your weight makes a big
difference on break in time. Also how much conditioners or oil were
put in the saddle, they can soften it up quickly—not good! The leather
makes a difference but not as muck as you got from your saddle. If you
like the way your saddle feels you are lucky to have it broken in, but
beware too much oil or or conditioners can make the leather so soft
that it wont hold the proper shape. I bought a used saddle from e-bay
tat was barely used but the leather was too soft to hold it's proper
shape, I returned it to the seller. A little bit of proofhide and a
lot of miles is what works. Owning a new Brooks saddle is not for the
impatient.
Bet of luck
Tom Dusky
Huntington Woods MI


On Feb 18, 8:46 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> Murray,
> I have a bunch of Brooks saddles. The newer ones "give" as you  
> described. Some of the older ones were like oak planks.
> Cheers!
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Murray Love wrote:
>
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris love
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:57 PM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Brooks Saddle question
>
> > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> > so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> > saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> > soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> > This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
>
> > -Original Message-
>
> > Some Brookses break in a lot more quickly than others, and can  
> > overshoot to being uncomfortably saggy, with the sides splaying out  
> > whenever you put weight on it.  I have one of this kind on my  
> > fixie, and I restored its comfort by drilling and lacing the  
> > flaps.  It helps tremendously in retaining the structure of the  
> > saddle, and brought this one back to life.
>
> > I have never touched the tension bolt on that saddle.  In my  
> > experience, it is easy to overdo it and overstress the rails,  
> > shortening their life.
>
> > Murray
> > Victoria, BC
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Bill Connell]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love  wrote:
>
> I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.

It's hard to say - some of the newer B17s have a little thinner
leather than they used to, and if the original owner went overboard
with the goop that would also make it too soft. How deep are the dents
for sitbones on the saddle? In my experience, a standard (not Pro or
Team) Brooks will break in within 250 miles and have some give to it
by then, but shouldn't feel saggy. Lacing up the sides will certainly
help more than adding tension, and worth doing if the saddle is
otherwise what you want.

-- 
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St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Phil Bickford]

On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Bill Connell  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love  wrote:
>
> > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> > so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> > saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> > soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> > This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
>
> It's hard to say - some of the newer B17s have a little thinner
> leather than they used to, and if the original owner went overboard
> with the goop that would also make it too soft. How deep are the dents
> for sitbones on the saddle? In my experience, a standard (not Pro or
> Team) Brooks will break in within 250 miles and have some give to it
> by then, but shouldn't feel saggy. Lacing up the sides will certainly
> help more than adding tension, and worth doing if the saddle is
> otherwise what you want.

Hey Chris

My first impression reading your post was disbelieve at the 250 mile
claim.  However I think all the responders have valid points - some
are softer than others, some models were purposely made soft by
Brooks, etc.

The flaring out when pressed depends on how hard your press.  I've had
new Brooks B-17's that were stiff as a board and others that would
flare out some when pressed - really hard.

But I wouldn't be happy having to lace the skirts of a newly purchased
saddle that I was told had 250 miles.  Try tightening the bolt a
LITTLE.  One quarter turn at the most should firm up, and maintain
tension on any saddle with the claimed mileage IMO.

Phil B

>
> --
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> St. Paul, MN
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Joe Bartoe]

Is it the big rivet one or small rivet one. I had a new small rivet b17 a few 
years back that was quite saggy pretty quick. It felt like the leather was just 
not as thick and stiff.

Joe

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:02:23 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question
> From: phi...@sonic.net
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Bill Connell  wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love  wrote:
> >
> > > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> > > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> > > so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> > > saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> > > soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> > > This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
> >
> > It's hard to say - some of the newer B17s have a little thinner
> > leather than they used to, and if the original owner went overboard
> > with the goop that would also make it too soft. How deep are the dents
> > for sitbones on the saddle? In my experience, a standard (not Pro or
> > Team) Brooks will break in within 250 miles and have some give to it
> > by then, but shouldn't feel saggy. Lacing up the sides will certainly
> > help more than adding tension, and worth doing if the saddle is
> > otherwise what you want.
> 
> Hey Chris
> 
> My first impression reading your post was disbelieve at the 250 mile
> claim.  However I think all the responders have valid points - some
> are softer than others, some models were purposely made soft by
> Brooks, etc.
> 
> The flaring out when pressed depends on how hard your press.  I've had
> new Brooks B-17's that were stiff as a board and others that would
> flare out some when pressed - really hard.
> 
> But I wouldn't be happy having to lace the skirts of a newly purchased
> saddle that I was told had 250 miles.  Try tightening the bolt a
> LITTLE.  One quarter turn at the most should firm up, and maintain
> tension on any saddle with the claimed mileage IMO.
> 
> Phil B
> 
> >
> > --
> > Bill Connell
> > St. Paul, MN
> > 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Bill Connell]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Phil Bickford  wrote:
>
> On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Bill Connell  wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love  wrote:
>>
>> > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
>> > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
>> > so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
>> > saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
>> > soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
>> > This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
>>
>> It's hard to say - some of the newer B17s have a little thinner
>> leather than they used to, and if the original owner went overboard
>> with the goop that would also make it too soft. How deep are the dents
>> for sitbones on the saddle? In my experience, a standard (not Pro or
>> Team) Brooks will break in within 250 miles and have some give to it
>> by then, but shouldn't feel saggy. Lacing up the sides will certainly
>> help more than adding tension, and worth doing if the saddle is
>> otherwise what you want.
>
> My first impression reading your post was disbelieve at the 250 mile
> claim.  However I think all the responders have valid points - some
> are softer than others, some models were purposely made soft by
> Brooks, etc.


There are a lot of variables in break-in time for a Brooks. The
leather itself can be thinner or thicker, it might stretch unevenly,
and for me the black ones take longer than the honey ones. The type
and amount of treatment matters. If you're heavier and ride in thin
shorts sweating into the saddle it'll break in faster than a
lightweight rider in padded shorts in the winter. I have a Brooks that
was comfortable from the first ride (a 50 miler), but i know people
who need a few hundred miles before it feels right. It's a highly
individual thing.

-- 
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St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[charlie]

We have six Brooks saddles in our fleet and some are thinner leather
than others. Different cows I suppose!!
My Champion Flyer broke in within 50 miles, my first B17 took around
500 miles and the one on my single speed has well over 1000 miles and
is still hard as a rock but oddly its the most comfortable of all. I
only used one application of Proofhide as recommended and use a cover
in the rain or when its really hot to reduce sweat damage. I weigh 255
pounds so I have to be careful with my saddles. A light rider may
never put  much of a dent in one of the thicker specimens.
Some people use odd break in procedures...I've even heard of warm
motor oil being used.  Definitely not what I would recommend. Think of
your Brooks saddle like a good pair of work boots, its just thick
leather and needs to be cared for properly.

On Feb 17, 7:56 pm, chris love  wrote:
> I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Murray Love]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Joe Bartoe  wrote:

>  Is it the big rivet one or small rivet one. I had a new small rivet b17 a
> few years back that was quite saggy pretty quick. It felt like the leather
> was just not as thick and stiff.
>
> Joe
>

It really doesn't seem like there's an independent variable here that causes
early sagginess.  This is my experience with B-17s since 2004:

- Honey Champion Special (large rivets):  Broke in and became uncomfortably
saggy within a couple of months of starting a 34-mile round-trip commute (I
weighed 210 lb. at the time).  Used RBW Best Practice as far as treatment
went:  just enough Obenauf's to get a thin, even cover.  No Neatsfoot, no
Proofide, a little bit of tension-bolt tightening to no effect.  Sold on
eBay explicitly as a prematurely broken-in saddle.

- Black Regular (small rivets):  Used by my 135 lb. wife for a couple of
years.  Same minimal treatment, still became soft very quickly.  This is the
one I laced and put on my fixie, to excellent results.

- Dark Brown Champion Ti:  The best of the lot.  Used by me for several
months, now on my wife's bike for over two years.  Same minimal leather
treatment, still firm though definitely broken-in.

So it's not about leather treatment, B17 model (unless the Ti models are
better, which is possible), or even necessarily rider weight.  Some Brookses
are just made of worse leather than others.

Murray
Victoria, BC

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[David Faller]

The Brooks B-17 Champion Special on my Ram has 1,400 miles on it.  It's still 
about as firm as new, but plenty comfy.  It has only been treated with 
Proofhide a few times, as recommended.  My weight hovers around 175-180.  I 
can't relate to the "saggy"-ness or the way leather saddles take on the rider's 
shape.
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  Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question


  On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Joe Bartoe  wrote:

Is it the big rivet one or small rivet one. I had a new small rivet b17 a 
few years back that was quite saggy pretty quick. It felt like the leather was 
just not as thick and stiff.

Joe


  It really doesn't seem like there's an independent variable here that causes 
early sagginess.  This is my experience with B-17s since 2004:

  - Honey Champion Special (large rivets):  Broke in and became uncomfortably 
saggy within a couple of months of starting a 34-mile round-trip commute (I 
weighed 210 lb. at the time).  Used RBW Best Practice as far as treatment went: 
 just enough Obenauf's to get a thin, even cover.  No Neatsfoot, no Proofide, a 
little bit of tension-bolt tightening to no effect.  Sold on eBay explicitly as 
a prematurely broken-in saddle.

  - Black Regular (small rivets):  Used by my 135 lb. wife for a couple of 
years.  Same minimal treatment, still became soft very quickly.  This is the 
one I laced and put on my fixie, to excellent results.

  - Dark Brown Champion Ti:  The best of the lot.  Used by me for several 
months, now on my wife's bike for over two years.  Same minimal leather 
treatment, still firm though definitely broken-in.  

  So it's not about leather treatment, B17 model (unless the Ti models are 
better, which is possible), or even necessarily rider weight.  Some Brookses 
are just made of worse leather than others.  

  Murray
  Victoria, BC

  

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Jim Cloud]

I think that the leather used in Brooks saddles has definitely changed
over the years, with an emphasis on having a saddle that softens up
rather quickly.  The first Brooks saddle that I owned, which came as
standard equipment on a 1977 Schwinn Deluxe Touring Paramount model (I
still have this bicycle), was a Brooks Professional.  This was the old
small rivet model, before they began making the cooler looking big
rivet types.  It took forever to break in the saddle, at least 2000
miles.

At that time, some Brooks saddle users resorted to extreme measures to
obtain a softer saddle.  One in particular that I recall, from an
article that appeared in Bicycling magazine, involved the removal of
the leather from the frame.  The article detailed pounding the leather
to soften it and soaking in neat's foot oil.  Then reattaching the
saddle with larger rivets.  Whew

I believe that Grant Peterson has commented that the leather used in
some of the  newer versions of the Brooks saddles is not as thick as
those previously used.

Jim Cloud

On Feb 18, 9:54 am, charlie  wrote:
> We have six Brooks saddles in our fleet and some are thinner leather
> than others. Different cows I suppose!!
> My Champion Flyer broke in within 50 miles, my first B17 took around
> 500 miles and the one on my single speed has well over 1000 miles and
> is still hard as a rock but oddly its the most comfortable of all. I
> only used one application of Proofhide as recommended and use a cover
> in the rain or when its really hot to reduce sweat damage. I weigh 255
> pounds so I have to be careful with my saddles. A light rider may
> never put  much of a dent in one of the thicker specimens.
> Some people use odd break in procedures...I've even heard of warm
> motor oil being used.  Definitely not what I would recommend. Think of
> your Brooks saddle like a good pair of work boots, its just thick
> leather and needs to be cared for properly.
>
> On Feb 17, 7:56 pm, chris love  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> > so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> > saggy. When I press in the area of the saddle just behind where the
> > soft parts land, i.e. the widest part of the saddle, should it give?
> > This one gives so much that the side flaps flare out a fair bit.- Hide 
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[PATRICK MOORE]

I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer, B17,
B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type saddles
comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and Turbos, but my
problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I used on my commuter for
at least a year if not more was a Pro that, had it not been for problems
with getting the tilt right, would have felt comfortable from the initial
installation. I got it in almost new condition, but used by a light (135 lb)
rider, and it felt as good at the end of the 12 or 18 months as when first
installed -- again, except for the tilt. My problems were always tilt and,
for those beside the Pro and a Fujita, width or skirts.

How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have described
your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found Brookses and ilk
comfortable immediately, without any break in?

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 16:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer,
> B17, B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type
> saddles comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and
> Turbos, but my problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I
> used on my commuter for at least a year if not more was a Pro that,
> had it not been for problems with getting the tilt right, would have
> felt comfortable from the initial installation. I got it in almost new
> condition, but used by a light (135 lb) rider, and it felt as good at
> the end of the 12 or 18 months as when first installed -- again,
> except for the tilt. My problems were always tilt and, for those
> beside the Pro and a Fujita, width or skirts.
> 
> How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
> difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have
> described your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found
> Brookses and ilk comfortable immediately, without any break in?

For me, a B.17 is good for 100km right out of the box.  Give it a couple
of hundred miles and it's equally good for 100 mi.

The last time I put a new Brooks Team Pro on a bike, in 1991, it took me
all winter (1,000 miles) to get it to be fully comfortable for 100km.
That saddle is still in service.




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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Eric Norris]

Break-in for my Brooks saddles isn't an issue.  I have them on almost  
all of my bikes, and they have been (with one exception) comfortable  
right out of the box.  They get *more* comfortable as they get more  
use (the saddle on my Quickbeam has the most miles in it, and it  
supremely comfy).

The only Brooks I haven't totally loved is a B-17 Narrow, and I blame  
that on the shape, which is too narrow for me.

I give a new Brooks a single coating of Proofhide on the top only,  
wipe that off after an hour or so, and then usually nothing.  My  
saddles have lasted for years, including thousands of miles in all  
conditions, from hot and dry to cold and wet.

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On Feb 18, 2009, at 3:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal,  
> Flyer, B17, B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks- 
> type saddles comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and  
> Turbos, but my problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I  
> used on my commuter for at least a year if not more was a Pro that,  
> had it not been for problems with getting the tilt right, would have  
> felt comfortable from the initial installation. I got it in almost  
> new condition, but used by a light (135 lb) rider, and it felt as  
> good at the end of the 12 or 18 months as when first installed --  
> again, except for the tilt. My problems were always tilt and, for  
> those beside the Pro and a Fujita, width or skirts.
>
> How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a  
> big difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have  
> described your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you  
> found Brookses and ilk comfortable immediately, without any break in?
>
>
>
> >


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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[CycloFiend]

on 2/18/09 3:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
> How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
> difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have described
> your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found Brookses and ilk
> comfortable immediately, without any break in?

For me, they are plenty comfy out of the box.  When they are shiny new, they
tend to be a little slippery, and the tilt adjustment a bit more specific to
prevent sliding forward or slipping aft. Then as they gain a slight
indentation, they just seem to feel better, and I can drop the nose down
slightly from initial setting.

Generally, I 'd rather have a harder saddle with an appropriate shape.

- J

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[Murray Love]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer, B17,
> B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type saddles
> comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and Turbos, but my
> problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I used on my commuter for
> at least a year if not more was a Pro that, had it not been for problems
> with getting the tilt right, would have felt comfortable from the initial
> installation. I got it in almost new condition, but used by a light (135 lb)
> rider, and it felt as good at the end of the 12 or 18 months as when first
> installed -- again, except for the tilt. My problems were always tilt and,
> for those beside the Pro and a Fujita, width or skirts.
>
> How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
> difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have described
> your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found Brookses and ilk
> comfortable immediately, without any break in?
>
>
I've found B-17s pretty comfortable out of the box, and the over-sagged ones
much less so.  The first time I used a Team Pro back in 1990 I loved it
immediately, but when I tried one a couple of years ago I couldn't get
comfortable on it; I guess my anatomy had changed!  My wife's Ti-railed B17
seems close to the ideal:  firm but indented, with just enough give.  My
drilled and laced B17 approximates an appropriately durable, broken-in
non-laced version.

Murray
Victoria, BC

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[charlie]

Mine were all comfy from the start and way better than any synthetic,
foam type ones I tried.  Once I got the bar height thing right I've
had very few comfort issues. Only when I have used gel shorts has my
backside been uncomfortable (it bunches up). Of course rides over 50
miles start to bother me but then that's my current limit anyway,
without a break. I don't use any additional Proofhide other than the
initial one either unless I think the leather is drying out too much.
That hasn't happened yet so...go Brooks!

On Feb 18, 3:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer, B17,
> B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type saddles
> comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and Turbos, but my
> problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I used on my commuter for
> at least a year if not more was a Pro that, had it not been for problems
> with getting the tilt right, would have felt comfortable from the initial
> installation. I got it in almost new condition, but used by a light (135 lb)
> rider, and it felt as good at the end of the 12 or 18 months as when first
> installed -- again, except for the tilt. My problems were always tilt and,
> for those beside the Pro and a Fujita, width or skirts.
>
> How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
> difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have described
> your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found Brookses and ilk
> comfortable immediately, without any break in?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question

[rob markwardt]

I've got different versions of B-17's on 6 of my 7 bikes.  Never had
an issue with breaking in.  I do think the newer ones are much more
likely to sag than the older ones.  Today I rode my 72 PX-10 with a
B-17 of the same era  and the leather on that thing is thick and rock
hard...still very comfortable though. I also have a couple of the
newer versions and they are noticeably saggier (would that fly in
Scrabble?)...even the saggy ones are comfortable but I doubt they'll
last as long as the old thick ones.  My favorite B-17 is about 7-8
years old and fits in between saggy and hard.  When I'm buying B-17's
now I only buy NOS and look for the old badges. Here's a few pics of
my saddlesdork alert!!


rock hard 70s version   http://flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/2699300343/
saggier new version   http://flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/2103006766/
perfect in between version  
http://flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/2103006762/in/photostream/

On Feb 18, 4:10 pm, charlie  wrote:
> Mine were all comfy from the start and way better than any synthetic,
> foam type ones I tried.  Once I got the bar height thing right I've
> had very few comfort issues. Only when I have used gel shorts has my
> backside been uncomfortable (it bunches up). Of course rides over 50
> miles start to bother me but then that's my current limit anyway,
> without a break. I don't use any additional Proofhide other than the
> initial one either unless I think the leather is drying out too much.
> That hasn't happened yet so...go Brooks!
>
> On Feb 18, 3:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer, B17,
> > B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type saddles
> > comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and Turbos, but my
> > problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I used on my commuter for
> > at least a year if not more was a Pro that, had it not been for problems
> > with getting the tilt right, would have felt comfortable from the initial
> > installation. I got it in almost new condition, but used by a light (135 lb)
> > rider, and it felt as good at the end of the 12 or 18 months as when first
> > installed -- again, except for the tilt. My problems were always tilt and,
> > for those beside the Pro and a Fujita, width or skirts.
>
> > How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
> > difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have described
> > your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found Brookses and ilk
> > comfortable immediately, without any break in?- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

[BPustow]

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In a message dated 3/8/2009 4:31:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Has  anyone ever heard of or approached Brooks about making a line of
their  saddles made from the hides of cattle which have been more
humanely raised  and slaughtered?


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[RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

[Dan Abelson]

Interesting idea I wonder if the quality of the leather would be different I
know that has been an issue.  I think it would be cost prohibitive
considering how expensive Brooks saddles have gotten in the last couple
years.
Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

>
> Hi,
> Has anyone ever heard of or approached Brooks about making a line of
> their saddles made from the hides of cattle which have been more
> humanely raised and slaughtered?
>
> Essentially, a line of saddles where you can trace back the origin of
> the cow hide and determine what the treatment of the animals was like.
>
> I'm not interested in discussing the merits of leather or not, or of
> using animal hides or not, I'm just curious if Brooks has anything
> like this or if anyone has approached them about it.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv
>
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

[charlie]

I would imagine the hides would be better q

On Mar 8, 1:30 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone ever heard of or approached Brooks about making a line of
> their saddles made from the hides of cattle which have been more
> humanely raised and slaughtered?
>
> Essentially, a line of saddles where you can trace back the origin of
> the cow hide and determine what the treatment of the animals was like.
>
> I'm not interested in discussing the merits of leather or not, or of
> using animal hides or not, I'm just curious if Brooks has anything
> like this or if anyone has approached them about it.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

[charlie]

Ooops! I don't know what happened!!!
As I was writing, I would imagine that the hides would be better
quality provided they were processed correctly.
Anytime an animal is allowed to roam and feed naturally and grow
normally they seem to have less disease and are generally healthier.
On Mar 8, 1:30 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone ever heard of or approached Brooks about making a line of
> their saddles made from the hides of cattle which have been more
> humanely raised and slaughtered?
>
> Essentially, a line of saddles where you can trace back the origin of
> the cow hide and determine what the treatment of the animals was like.
>
> I'm not interested in discussing the merits of leather or not, or of
> using animal hides or not, I'm just curious if Brooks has anything
> like this or if anyone has approached them about it.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

[Bruce]

I can see the ads now, "Happy cows give their hides to give you a happy bottom!"

Maybe they can re run that picture of a gal holding up a sign at 10 Downing 
St.. You know the one





From: charlie 


  I would imagine that the hides would be better
quality provided they were processed correctly.
Anytime an animal is allowed to roam and feed naturally and grow
normally they seem to have less disease and are generally healthier.


  
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[RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

[Doug Peterson]

As admirable as your intentions may be, you are asking for material
traceability similar to that required for critical parts (military,
aircraft, etc.).  Commercial products simply aren't costly enough to support
that level of documentation.  Rough guess is you're looking at $300 for a
B-17, assuming you could get a system in place.  

 

dougP

 

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Abelson
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:50 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: brooks saddle thought

 

Interesting idea I wonder if the quality of the leather would be different I
know that has been an issue.  I think it would be cost prohibitive
considering how expensive Brooks saddles have gotten in the last couple
years.

 

Dan Abelson

St. Paul, MN

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:


Hi,
Has anyone ever heard of or approached Brooks about making a line of
their saddles made from the hides of cattle which have been more
humanely raised and slaughtered?

Essentially, a line of saddles where you can trace back the origin of
the cow hide and determine what the treatment of the animals was like.

I'm not interested in discussing the merits of leather or not, or of
using animal hides or not, I'm just curious if Brooks has anything
like this or if anyone has approached them about it.

Thanks,
-sv



 




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