[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Very nice, and those Chocomoose bars look right at home. Now you're tempting me into a bar swap and my Clem isn't even here yet! Will be on Wednesday by end of day, however, FedEx promises... On Saturday, 13 August 2016 16:39:18 UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote: > > Pictured, the Clempaloosa, this morning at 12:30am, at 242 st./Van > Cortland Park, tired and waiting for the 1 train to take me homeward. Lots > of loose strings and wires, running a broken headlight held together with > zipties, powered by 4xAA's in the bag (working out my dyno-wheel needs). > And wrapped Ergon grips (very tricky, kinda crappy, extra grippy, supremely > comfortable). And last but not least, 2.35" Schwalbe Big Ones with fenders > (need to "rinko" the front to get adequate clearances) > Glamour post to follow... > -Kai > Brooklyn NY > > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:49 PM UTC-4, Jim D Massachusetts > wrote: >> >> Picture? Jim D.Massachusetts >> >> On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 1:21:43 PM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote: >>> >>> I placed my order in January, being way too excited for a big&tough bike >>> to wait for details (like specific sizing). I don't think the reach is that >>> much different between the Bosco and the Choco, it's the height that sets >>> them apart, and the slightly more useful forward section on the Choco bar. >>> The Boscos are great, I used them for a good while, but already owning a >>> brazed moose version I wasn't looking forward to having two around, so I'm >>> happy to have the non-moosed around as an option. >>> But the real reason for going Choco-moose??, it's so my mustard Clem can >>> properly impersonate a higher class Appaloosa from afar... >>> -Kai >>> Brooklyn NY >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
SKS 65's, P65 is the designation I think? They've been on a shelf for 6 months waiting for that bike. They're not really big enough for the "Big Ones", but they're big enough that I had to trim them due to rubbing from the chain when in low low low gear. Now that I've trimmed the fender the chain rubs the tire if I'm that low, which I'm rarely in. Still plenty of room between the 2.35"ers and the frame and fork. I should measure those to see what the real width is on the massive Alex DM24 rims (which look like they might be tubeless compatible but Riv says they don't think so and Alex rims isn't very good at returning my email). -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Looks great! What fenders are you using? m On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 4:39:18 PM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote: > > Pictured, the Clempaloosa, this morning at 12:30am, at 242 st./Van > Cortland Park, tired and waiting for the 1 train to take me homeward. Lots > of loose strings and wires, running a broken headlight held together with > zipties, powered by 4xAA's in the bag (working out my dyno-wheel needs). > And wrapped Ergon grips (very tricky, kinda crappy, extra grippy, supremely > comfortable). And last but not least, 2.35" Schwalbe Big Ones with fenders > (need to "rinko" the front to get adequate clearances) > Glamour post to follow... > -Kai > Brooklyn NY > > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:49 PM UTC-4, Jim D Massachusetts > wrote: >> >> Picture? Jim D.Massachusetts >> >> On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 1:21:43 PM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote: >>> >>> I placed my order in January, being way too excited for a big&tough bike >>> to wait for details (like specific sizing). I don't think the reach is that >>> much different between the Bosco and the Choco, it's the height that sets >>> them apart, and the slightly more useful forward section on the Choco bar. >>> The Boscos are great, I used them for a good while, but already owning a >>> brazed moose version I wasn't looking forward to having two around, so I'm >>> happy to have the non-moosed around as an option. >>> But the real reason for going Choco-moose??, it's so my mustard Clem can >>> properly impersonate a higher class Appaloosa from afar... >>> -Kai >>> Brooklyn NY >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
I love it, Kai. You managed to make a brand new Clem look like it just got back from a world tour. Nice! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Picture? Jim D.Massachusetts On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 1:21:43 PM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote: > > I placed my order in January, being way too excited for a big&tough bike > to wait for details (like specific sizing). I don't think the reach is that > much different between the Bosco and the Choco, it's the height that sets > them apart, and the slightly more useful forward section on the Choco bar. > The Boscos are great, I used them for a good while, but already owning a > brazed moose version I wasn't looking forward to having two around, so I'm > happy to have the non-moosed around as an option. > But the real reason for going Choco-moose??, it's so my mustard Clem can > properly impersonate a higher class Appaloosa from afar... > -Kai > Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
I placed my order in January, being way too excited for a big&tough bike to wait for details (like specific sizing). I don't think the reach is that much different between the Bosco and the Choco, it's the height that sets them apart, and the slightly more useful forward section on the Choco bar. The Boscos are great, I used them for a good while, but already owning a brazed moose version I wasn't looking forward to having two around, so I'm happy to have the non-moosed around as an option. But the real reason for going Choco-moose??, it's so my mustard Clem can properly impersonate a higher class Appaloosa from afar... -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
There's a thought - I do love a good handlebar swap! To me, no single part changes the personality of a bike quite so drastically, which can certainly keep things fun and interesting. I want to give Boscos a good fair shake first, in light of Zed Martinez's excellent Clem review and the fact that GP seems to have had Boscos specifically in mind when he designed the bike. But, because you've already piqued my curiosity, how is the Clem with Choco bars? That likely extends your reach quite a bit as compared to Boscos, yes? Also, when did you place your Clem preorder? Trying to subtly gauge how soon mine might ship... I ordered July 2. Cam S. On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 21:32:15 UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote: > > My Clem came last Wednesday, with non-bullmooses. I rode them for a day > and switched them up for some Choco-mooses I purchased ever so slightly > used on this list. I assume there's going to be plenty of different > Bullmoose type bars coming up for sale, what with all the Clems and > Appaloosas rolling about getting up and down grades, so swap and play. Buy > the TIGged versions and lay in some brass over those joints for bonus > points! > Enjoy > -Kai > Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Cam, I placed my Clem preorder April 12. It shipped last Friday, August 5. New Bike Day tomorrow! Linda On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 3:40:01 PM UTC-4, cam starnes wrote: > > Interesting. Thanks, Scott. Guess that makes sense! If I could ask, when > did you place your preorder? Trying hard to be patient and not bug > Rivendell folks with better things to do about where my Clem is in the > queue! > > On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 07:20:07 UTC-4, scott wrote: >> >> I called on Monday with a few questions about my Clem that had just >> arrived. They in fact do not have the moose anymore and it is because, as >> Mark explained, it was a pain to fit it all into the shipping box. I was >> relieved to get a regular stem because I like to angle my bars down more >> than a moose would have allowed. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Thanks for this - that's exactly my quandary. I like the adjustability (have heard several folks say they like their Boscos at more of an angle than the moose version) and the additional real estate next to the stem for the forward grip, but I do worry about flex. 58cm Boscos + 120mm stem = a lot of potential for wiggly metal under load, and I tend to dislike that "torsion" feeling. I'm not exactly a featherweight dude, plus I like to use my bike to carry stuff - commuting loads, full growlers of beer, 750mL bottles of whiskey (okay, so there's a trend there), both of which I fear will exacerbate the flexiness. I know I could spring for a bullmoose version separately, but there are so many other bikey accessories and such that I'd rather buy... Guess we'll just wait and see how it goes. Thanks again. On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 03:25:44 UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: > > Cam, having the non-bull moose version on my clem, I tend to think it is > mostly a positive. I ended up with and prefer the ends rotated downward > much more than the fixed position on the b.m., primarily because it makes > the 3rd grip position (at the downward curve) usable and comfortable. If > the main grip section is set more horizontal, you have to contort your > wrists oddly to grip the curve, and your hands will want to slide forward. > I also found i needed a longer stem extension than the b.m. would have > provided. I got the 130 which is the longest riv sells, but would (and > may) prefer 140 or 150 if i can find one. Likewise, i much prefer the > negative rise of a normal stem. The 120mm /90 degree effective stem on the > b.m. would be too high and way too close for the amount of rise and > reach-back those bars have. > > On the other hand, i do agree that the loss in rigidity is a negative. I > find my riding technique restrained by the flex of the bar (technically, i > think its more of a "torsion" than a "flex"), and am reluctant to perform > out-of-the-saddle sprints unless I'm gripping the curve part mentioned > above. Other than the regular bull moose, it's the only adequately-wide > bar riv sells, in my opinion, and i think the lack of stiffness is the > tradeoff. Great bar overall. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Interesting. Thanks, Scott. Guess that makes sense! If I could ask, when did you place your preorder? Trying hard to be patient and not bug Rivendell folks with better things to do about where my Clem is in the queue! On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 07:20:07 UTC-4, scott wrote: > > I called on Monday with a few questions about my Clem that had just > arrived. They in fact do not have the moose anymore and it is because, as > Mark explained, it was a pain to fit it all into the shipping box. I was > relieved to get a regular stem because I like to angle my bars down more > than a moose would have allowed. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
I called on Monday with a few questions about my Clem that had just arrived. They in fact do not have the moose anymore and it is because, as Mark explained, it was a pain to fit it all into the shipping box. I was relieved to get a regular stem because I like to angle my bars down more than a moose would have allowed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
I noticed this when Grant posted pics of the tape job on his new mustard Clem L., with NBMB. At first I thought maybe he got a frameset, but then I noticed the tell-tale gray saddle. Maybe it was in response to people just not being comfortable these days with not being able to adjust the bar angle. I guess I just got lucky, as I find the original stock bar fits me fine. I did give it a good couple of months to get in with the bars, but the angle was never an issue. I still ride my Miyata Ridgerunner with the original Bullmoose bars, too. I love my articulated limbs, highly adjustable! On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-4, cam starnes wrote: > > Just noticed that the 2016 Clems (one of which is my anxiously > awaited/still awaiting 52c green pre-order) are shipping with normal, > non-bullmoose Boscos. I suppose it's silly to be disappointed, but I have > always liked the integrated look of the various bullmoose variants, and > also thought the added stiffness would be good, generally, and especially > good for yanking that long, stout bike around while hauling my commuting > load. Any thoughts? > > CS (Cam S., not Clem S.) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
Well there ya go. This might be good for some buyers, those wayback-and-wide Boscos are an acquired taste. It'll be cheaper to try a new bar this way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
The actual order page makes no mention of it, but this page notes the 2016 batch is non-moose: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-clemsmith.htm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: CSJ: Non-moose Boscos
How have you determined that Clem-completes are now shipping with non-bullmoose bars? All of the Clem Completes in the "ready to ride" section of rivbike.com have bullmooses. The catalog sure says it's bullmooses. Is it possible that you might be looking at photos of bikes posted by people who bought a frameset only? I don't have a dog in the fight, and I could think of reasons why I would want bullmoose and reasons why I would want non-bullmoose. After listing the pros and cons, I'd still prefer to have bullmoose boscos. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 2:09:51 PM UTC-7, cam starnes wrote: > > Just noticed that the 2016 Clems (one of which is my anxiously > awaited/still awaiting 52c green pre-order) are shipping with normal, > non-bullmoose Boscos. I suppose it's silly to be disappointed, but I have > always liked the integrated look of the various bullmoose variants, and > also thought the added stiffness would be good, generally, and especially > good for yanking that long, stout bike around while hauling my commuting > load. Any thoughts? > > CS (Cam S., not Clem S.) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
