[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[lambbo]

:) Adam, point taken - not looking to increase clearance (or even stopping 
power, my paul center pulls are great) - just have a bent fork that pushes the 
centerpull pads too far up, so I figure why not fix the problem with a fun 
solution. 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Adam Leibow]

I have a cheviot and i can't imagine getting much more clearance with 
cantilevers, at least not enough to go through the hassle of getting studs 
brazed on and re-painted, not to mention shipping this long frame. I 
recommend just getting a Clem L, whether it's in addition to or instead of 
the cheviot. I have both and I think they are different enough. 

On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-8, A. Nostuh wrote:
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> Has anyone gone through the trouble to braze canti posts to their cheviot? 
> How'd that work out for ya? any one wanna sell me a big silver cheviot?
> Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

"Supposed to" is strong language, I think the centered posts are as close to 
ideal as any. The offset posts would have me filing farther in the opposite 
direction. Slow and steady, ever forward (because backwards dulls the file!)
-Kai
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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[lambbo]

Oh, forgot to update the group!  

Our experiment is on - more experimental than intended, I ordered non-offset 
posts and Kai pointed out, when I dropped everything off at his studio, that 
they are supposed to be offset. 
So I think Kai is going to try to improvise with some files, which seems extra 
fun to me. 

We'll keep you posted! pun intended 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Tim Bantham]

Al, You may want to consider asking Kelly Bedford if he'd take on the task 
of adding canti-posts to your Chev.  I'm not sure if he would be interested 
in taking on such a project but it might be worth asking. He certainly is 
well qualified.  Best of all his shop is only a 15 minute drive  from where 
we live. 

Tim

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
>
> I found this on the 'gram, 60cm canti chev with v-brakes and drop bars! 
> (With cheap foam grips no less)
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 6:53:47 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> > Has anyone gone through the trouble to braze canti posts to their 
> cheviot? How'd that work out for ya? any one wanna sell me a big silver 
> cheviot?
> > Al in Saratoga
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[A. Nostuh]

Thanks for both those recommendations, I'll be pricing it out soon. 

Kai, you drive a hard bargain. 

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> Yup, Coast! But Doug Breismeister is also the best! And Seth Rosko = best!
> And there's me, 3rd best in a world of #1ers! I'll pay you $5 to let me do 
> it...
> -Kai
> BKNY

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

Yup, Coast! But Doug Breismeister is also the best! And Seth Rosko = best!
And there's me, 3rd best in a world of #1ers! I'll pay you $5 to let me do it...
-Kai
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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[lambbo]

Coast Cycles in Brooklyn 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Justin, Oakland]

Bilenky would be the one to trust with this.

-J

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[A. Nostuh]

Trigger warning: I'm not implying there's any shortcomings in the original 
design. But


I'm ready to send my chev to a "master framebuilder" for canti treatment 
ok, I'll accept "experienced framebuilder".  who's good ON THE EAST COAST? (I'm 
sure you'll do fine Antone & Kai- good luck!) 

Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Drw]

Yep. I have 2 bikes ready to sell if the cheviot ever goes canti 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Chris in NZ]

If we’re talking “they shoulds” they should borrow and invert the 2TT from 
the new Atlantis for Cheviot top tube (love that curve) 




On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 8:45:00 AM UTC+13, Joe Bernard wrote:
> They should do that. I had a Cheviot..great bike, but its vibe is very much 
> 'big tires and fenders' and the road brakes seem a little out of place on it. 
> Cheviot should be a canti/v-brake bike.

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[sameness]

Exactly. Hand-wringing though it may be, it's pretty much the only reason 
why I don't own a Chev yet, even as I was tempted for the umpteenth time by the 
January presale discount 

.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> (I)ts vibe is very much 'big tires and fenders' and the road brakes seem a 
> little out of place on it. Cheviot should be a canti/v-brake bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

My Rosco Mountain Mixte is very much like a canti-cheviot. It's the bees 
knees! With patience, you could pick one up used, probably in mint 
condition with worn pads. 
-Kai
BKNY

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> According to my inside sources at Riv HQ, "the idea of a canti-Chev has 
> been tossed around here a bit", very tantalizing. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Some people on this list don't even wait for the paint to dry before getting a 
new one...!;o)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Steve Palincsar]

You buy a new bike every time your brake pads wear out?  That's silly.

On 11/20/18 10:56 PM, Kainalu V. wrote:

Whatevs! Once the bike stops abruptly, I get a new one. End of story.
Adjustments are for chiropractritractors
-Kai
BKNY

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:20:13 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:



On 11/20/18 10:09 PM, Kainalu V. wrote:
> And cantilevers (or the slightly more mixte friendly V-brakes)
> eventually jam into ones spokes and make one fly through the
air! But
> that bridge will get crossed when it wanders through


only if you don't maintain the bike properly by adjusting the pads as
they wear rather than just taking up tension on the cable


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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

But of course I kid, adjust those pads folks!


On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:20:13 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 11/20/18 10:09 PM, Kainalu V. wrote: 
> > And cantilevers (or the slightly more mixte friendly V-brakes) 
> > eventually jam into ones spokes and make one fly through the air! But 
> > that bridge will get crossed when it wanders through 
>
>
> only if you don't maintain the bike properly by adjusting the pads as 
> they wear rather than just taking up tension on the cable 
>
> -- 
>
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

Whatevs! Once the bike stops abruptly, I get a new one. End of story. 
Adjustments are for chiropractritractors
-Kai
BKNY

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:20:13 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 11/20/18 10:09 PM, Kainalu V. wrote: 
> > And cantilevers (or the slightly more mixte friendly V-brakes) 
> > eventually jam into ones spokes and make one fly through the air! But 
> > that bridge will get crossed when it wanders through 
>
>
> only if you don't maintain the bike properly by adjusting the pads as 
> they wear rather than just taking up tension on the cable 
>
> -- 
>
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/20/18 10:09 PM, Kainalu V. wrote:
And cantilevers (or the slightly more mixte friendly V-brakes) 
eventually jam into ones spokes and make one fly through the air! But 
that bridge will get crossed when it wanders through



only if you don't maintain the bike properly by adjusting the pads as 
they wear rather than just taking up tension on the cable


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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

And cantilevers (or the slightly more mixte friendly V-brakes) eventually 
jam into ones spokes and make one fly through the air! But that bridge will 
get crossed when it wanders through
-Kai
BKNY


On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:58:36 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> :) the fact that offset vs. non offset posts are meaningful terms 
> highlights the level of 'in over my head' experimentation here...I'm not 
> entirely expecting this to work, but I can't see the harm in trying! 
>  Thanks Kia, I'll be in touch as soon as they come in.
>
> In terms of the rear, the points made discourage me from trying - my 
> center pulls are great back there!  The point of this is to fix a problem 
> with my center pulls: they rub on my tire and pop it!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[lambbo]

:) the fact that offset vs. non offset posts are meaningful terms highlights 
the level of 'in over my head' experimentation here...I'm not entirely 
expecting this to work, but I can't see the harm in trying!  Thanks Kia, I'll 
be in touch as soon as they come in.

In terms of the rear, the points made discourage me from trying - my center 
pulls are great back there!  The point of this is to fix a problem with my 
center pulls: they rub on my tire and pop it!

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

Lucky for Lambbo, he's got a spare fork that we'll be able to fire at, 
limiting canti stopping to the front. In the broader view of attaching 
cantis to the tail end of cheviots and step throughs of all kinds, yeah, 
what a pain. The only thing I'm left wondering is whether or not we'll need 
offset posts, should've mentioned that earlier before the order went in, 
could be we'll be doing some semi-precision filing!...
-Kai
BKNY


On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 3:37:47 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I don't know how serious you are about this but if you're really going to 
> go to the trouble, I'd suggest instead installing studs for roller cam 
> brakes on the mid stays and using an old Suntour brake, which are 
> plentiful, like THIS 
>  
> .  
> That would improve your braking and allow for a much fatter tire - but the 
> cable routing could be located in a straight line on the top tube, and thus 
> eliminate the awkward loop, like THIS 
> ,
>   
> which is otherwise required to use seat stay mounted cantilevers.  
>
> This is one of the things I've long considered doing if/when I ever get a 
> custom Rivendell, but I'd love to see someone else do it first.   
>
> You could then bore and braze a small diameter "tunnel" through the middle 
> of the seat tube for the bare cable to pass through. (Alternately, you 
> could add an additional housing stop and a hanger to bypass the seat tube - 
> but, again, if you're going to go to the trouble then you might as well 
> take it all the way.  Or, if you don't like either of those cable routing 
> methods, an old 80's mtb or typical bmx U-brake like THIS 
>  whould 
> use the same brake bosses and give you *some* of the same benefits. That 
> may allow for cabling which would look similar to THIS 
>  Paul 
> centerpull racer example, but with better tire clearance.  In my experience 
> though, U brakes aren't as easy to adjust, even when they're not crammed in 
> the tiny space behind the bottom bracket.)
>
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 4:53:47 PM UTC-7, A. Nostuh wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone gone through the trouble to braze canti posts to their 
>> cheviot? How'd that work out for ya? any one wanna sell me a big silver 
>> cheviot?
>> Al in Saratoga 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[iamkeith]

I don't know how serious you are about this but if you're really going to 
go to the trouble, I'd suggest instead installing studs for roller cam 
brakes on the mid stays and using an old Suntour brake, which are 
plentiful, like THIS 
 . 
 
That would improve your braking and allow for a much fatter tire - but the 
cable routing could be located in a straight line on the top tube, and thus 
eliminate the awkward loop, like THIS 
,
  
which is otherwise required to use seat stay mounted cantilevers.  

This is one of the things I've long considered doing if/when I ever get a 
custom Rivendell, but I'd love to see someone else do it first.   

You could then bore and braze a small diameter "tunnel" through the middle 
of the seat tube for the bare cable to pass through. (Alternately, you 
could add an additional housing stop and a hanger to bypass the seat tube - 
but, again, if you're going to go to the trouble then you might as well 
take it all the way.  Or, if you don't like either of those cable routing 
methods, an old 80's mtb or typical bmx U-brake like THIS 
 whould use 
the same brake bosses and give you *some* of the same benefits. That may 
allow for cabling which would look similar to THIS 
 Paul 
centerpull racer example, but with better tire clearance.  In my experience 
though, U brakes aren't as easy to adjust, even when they're not crammed in 
the tiny space behind the bottom bracket.)


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>
> Has anyone gone through the trouble to braze canti posts to their cheviot? 
> How'd that work out for ya? any one wanna sell me a big silver cheviot?
> Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[lambbo]

Thanks Kai! $8 in shipping later ;) ...2 canti posts on their way!  Will 
keep all posted. 

On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 6:53:47 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
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> Has anyone gone through the trouble to braze canti posts to their cheviot? 
> How'd that work out for ya? any one wanna sell me a big silver cheviot?
> Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

https://framebuildersupply.com/collections/braze-ons/products/cantilever-brake-bosses-zero-offset
$1.25 for a pair, lets's braze those suckers on! Then you can take it to 
the top of suicide hill to test!
Serious about everything but the hill. 
Or, if you did the prep work there's plenty of legit framebuilders that 
could whip that job out in a flash, for relatively cheap.
-Kai
BKNY


On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 12:25:19 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> Shoot I got distracted! I have an extra fork and would love to try but 
> lack the skill and knowledge and I'm not gonna hire a frame-builder to do 
> it, just cuz my centerpulls are great and I'm not trying to spend that kind 
> of $... so the question is where do you get canti-posts and how do you 
> attach?

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