[RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Craig Montgomery]

These are the guys I'm sure. Tough as nails. Super C rears are huge. You'll 
master the hook thingie up top pretty quickly. You have to position the 
bottom (slideable) hook for the specific struts of your rack. I use Nitto 
Big Racks front and rear. Then what I do is wrap some cotton handlebar tape 
around the strut where the hook touches it. Duct tape would work too. That 
makes the fit a bit more positive, and quieter (if you ride unladen they 
can rattle at the hook). That cushion also helps to reduce stress on the 
slider hook. Another neat thing about the Super C rears is that the tops 
lay even with your rack. That way you can pile stuff (in my case sleeping 
bag, pad, tent, AND a camp chair-indulge me, I'm an old man) on top of your 
rack. The old Super C's puffed up when you filled them to capacity. Of 
course, don't forget the coolness factor. 

[image: Super C Configuration.jpg]
Craig in Tucson

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the "new" Super C's with the cam-style hooks and lower 
> securing clip?
> I'm curious if the "new" mounting system is:
> 1. As secure as a standard good ol' hooks and bungee system, and
> 2. A hassle to get on and off?
>
> I love Carradice stuff, but am dubious about this securing system.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[John McBurney]

👍

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 1:46 AM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> These are the guys I'm sure. Tough as nails. Super C rears are huge.
> You'll master the hook thingie up top pretty quickly. You have to position
> the bottom (slideable) hook for the specific struts of your rack. I use
> Nitto Big Racks front and rear. Then what I do is wrap some cotton
> handlebar tape around the strut where the hook touches it. Duct tape would
> work too. That makes the fit a bit more positive, and quieter (if you ride
> unladen they can rattle at the hook). That cushion also helps to reduce
> stress on the slider hook. Another neat thing about the Super C rears is
> that the tops lay even with your rack. That way you can pile stuff (in my
> case sleeping bag, pad, tent, AND a camp chair-indulge me, I'm an old man)
> on top of your rack. The old Super C's puffed up when you filled them to
> capacity. Of course, don't forget the coolness factor.
>
> [image: Super C Configuration.jpg]
> Craig in Tucson
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have the "new" Super C's with the cam-style hooks and lower
>> securing clip?
>> I'm curious if the "new" mounting system is:
>> 1. As secure as a standard good ol' hooks and bungee system, and
>> 2. A hassle to get on and off?
>>
>> I love Carradice stuff, but am dubious about this securing system.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[john Bokman]

Craig, those are gorgeous bags, and you make a strong case for them. I only 
wish there were a size between the small fronts (28 liters) and the enormous 
rears (54 liters!).

I am usually of a “go bigger, why not?” mindset. But these are really large.
Choices, choices….arrgh! Big or small? 

Question: Looking at reviews, it appears that there is universal agreement that 
the outside pocket of the large panniers is prone to spilling its contents 
because the strap does not snug enough. Do you find this to be the case? Or 
could one simply punch another hole in the strap?

I would need this outside pocket for sundries in my day to day. I need some 
kind of pocket (zippered or otherwise) in my day-to-day pannier. Something in 
which to stash wallet, keys, phone, etc.



> On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:46 PM, Craig Montgomery  wrote:
> 
> These are the guys I'm sure. Tough as nails. Super C rears are huge. You'll 
> master the hook thingie up top pretty quickly. You have to position the 
> bottom (slideable) hook for the specific struts of your rack. I use Nitto Big 
> Racks front and rear. Then what I do is wrap some cotton handlebar tape 
> around the strut where the hook touches it. Duct tape would work too. That 
> makes the fit a bit more positive, and quieter (if you ride unladen they can 
> rattle at the hook). That cushion also helps to reduce stress on the slider 
> hook. Another neat thing about the Super C rears is that the tops lay even 
> with your rack. That way you can pile stuff (in my case sleeping bag, pad, 
> tent, AND a camp chair-indulge me, I'm an old man) on top of your rack. The 
> old Super C's puffed up when you filled them to capacity. Of course, don't 
> forget the coolness factor. 
> 
> 
> Craig in Tucson
> 
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Does anyone have the "new" Super C's with the cam-style hooks and lower 
> securing clip?
> I'm curious if the "new" mounting system is:
> 1. As secure as a standard good ol' hooks and bungee system, and
> 2. A hassle to get on and off?
> 
> I love Carradice stuff, but am dubious about this securing system.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this description and the photos. I use my panniers for shopping,
but there are times when even 2 Ortlieb Rollers are too small; these are 12
liters bigger (does that include the pockets? If not, even bigger) compared
to the 40 l of the Ortliebs. One day ...

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:02 PM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> They're huge Jon. You might be better off with the Kendalls. On sale now
> at SJS for a hundred bucks. 32 litres.
>
> https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/0-carradice-kendal-panniers-green-with-honey-straps-32-litre/?geoc=US
>
> On the other hand, don't know what those people were talking about when
> they said stuff flew out of the rear pockets of the Super C's. They must
> have been riding upside down. The pockets are huge. I could stuff my mom's
> shitzu into one (gladly). They are not strapped but clipped. The adjustment
> is minimal but they're made for touring. You're supposed to stuff 'em. A
> liter bottle each is one option. Take a look at how I do it. The left is
> stove kit (2 pots, rocket stove, cleaning cloth) and a butane canister. The
> right is kitchen box (utensils, knife, pot holder, lighters, sundries,
> etc.) and a couple days worth of dinners. All that just in the rear
> pockets!
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:20 PM john Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Craig, those are gorgeous bags, and you make a strong case for them. I
>> only wish there were a size between the small fronts (28 liters) and the
>> enormous rears (54 liters!).
>>
>> I am usually of a “go bigger, why not?” mindset. But these are really
>> large.
>> Choices, choices….arrgh! Big or small?
>>
>> Question: Looking at reviews, it appears that there is universal
>> agreement that the outside pocket of the large panniers is prone to
>> spilling its contents because the strap does not snug enough. Do you find
>> this to be the case? Or could one simply punch another hole in the strap?
>>
>> I would need this outside pocket for sundries in my day to day. I need
>> some kind of pocket (zippered or otherwise) in my day-to-day pannier.
>> Something in which to stash wallet, keys, phone, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:46 PM, Craig Montgomery 
>> wrote:
>>
>> These are the guys I'm sure. Tough as nails. Super C rears are huge.
>> You'll master the hook thingie up top pretty quickly. You have to position
>> the bottom (slideable) hook for the specific struts of your rack. I use
>> Nitto Big Racks front and rear. Then what I do is wrap some cotton
>> handlebar tape around the strut where the hook touches it. Duct tape would
>> work too. That makes the fit a bit more positive, and quieter (if you ride
>> unladen they can rattle at the hook). That cushion also helps to reduce
>> stress on the slider hook. Another neat thing about the Super C rears is
>> that the tops lay even with your rack. That way you can pile stuff (in my
>> case sleeping bag, pad, tent, AND a camp chair-indulge me, I'm an old man)
>> on top of your rack. The old Super C's puffed up when you filled them to
>> capacity. Of course, don't forget the coolness factor.
>>
>> [image: Super C Configuration.jpg]
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the "new" Super C's with the cam-style hooks and lower
>>> securing clip?
>>> I'm curious if the "new" mounting system is:
>>> 1. As secure as a standard good ol' hooks and bungee system, and
>>> 2. A hassle to get on and off?
>>>
>>> I love Carradice stuff, but am dubious about this securing system.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Craig Montgomery]

They'll last you decades. SJS is a great company. Good products. Good 
service. BUT, unless you're willing to pay the shipping you have to keep 
yourself to small sized purchases. Shipping prices increase exponentially 
with box size. 

Craig in Tucson

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 8:28:45 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Craig, thanks for the head’s up on the sale at SJS. While the Kendal looks 
> nice and would probably fit my bill, if I’m going for Carradice, I can’t 
> seem to escape the Super C lore…I deem the front bags to be too narrow at 
> the bottom for my belongings, unfortunately. Otherwise I’d choose those and 
> plan to taking two per day.
>
> With the Super C large, I would take one per day, unless on a shopping 
> expedition, in which case I’d take two. (For touring, of course I’d want 
> two).
>
> I would not plan on filling the pannier, so the massive volume would not 
> be too much an issue. I hate fighting to get stuff into my bags. I much 
> prefer a larger bag in which I can drop items and be done with it. The 
> outside pockets in particular would be advantageous for me, because I 
>  would simply drop stuff in and not have to wrangle to remove it: 
> Calculator, stuff sack with expo pens, flash drive, pens, etc.; phone  and 
> wallet in Old Skool Rivendell danish cotton wallet; keys….Large compartment 
> would more than easily accommodate notebooks, books, bread, wine bottle, 
> etc.
>
> More and more I’m thinking Super C large rear bags...
>
> On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Craig Montgomery  > wrote:
>
> They're huge Jon. You might be better off with the Kendalls. On sale now 
> at SJS for a hundred bucks. 32 litres.
>
> https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/0-carradice-kendal-panniers-green-with-honey-straps-32-litre/?geoc=US
>
> On the other hand, don't know what those people were talking about when 
> they said stuff flew out of the rear pockets of the Super C's. They must 
> have been riding upside down. The pockets are huge. I could stuff my mom's 
> shitzu into one (gladly). They are not strapped but clipped. The adjustment 
> is minimal but they're made for touring. You're supposed to stuff 'em. A 
> liter bottle each is one option. Take a look at how I do it. The left is 
> stove kit (2 pots, rocket stove, cleaning cloth) and a butane canister. The 
> right is kitchen box (utensils, knife, pot holder, lighters, sundries, 
> etc.) and a couple days worth of dinners. All that just in the rear 
> pockets! 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:20 PM john Bokman  > wrote:
>
>> Craig, those are gorgeous bags, and you make a strong case for them. I 
>> only wish there were a size between the small fronts (28 liters) and the 
>> enormous rears (54 liters!).
>>
>> I am usually of a “go bigger, why not?” mindset. But these are really 
>> large.
>> Choices, choices….arrgh! Big or small? 
>>
>> Question: Looking at reviews, it appears that there is universal 
>> agreement that the outside pocket of the large panniers is prone to 
>> spilling its contents because the strap does not snug enough. Do you find 
>> this to be the case? Or could one simply punch another hole in the strap?
>>
>> I would need this outside pocket for sundries in my day to day. I need 
>> some kind of pocket (zippered or otherwise) in my day-to-day pannier. 
>> Something in which to stash wallet, keys, phone, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:46 PM, Craig Montgomery > > wrote:
>>
>> These are the guys I'm sure. Tough as nails. Super C rears are huge. 
>> You'll master the hook thingie up top pretty quickly. You have to position 
>> the bottom (slideable) hook for the specific struts of your rack. I use 
>> Nitto Big Racks front and rear. Then what I do is wrap some cotton 
>> handlebar tape around the strut where the hook touches it. Duct tape would 
>> work too. That makes the fit a bit more positive, and quieter (if you ride 
>> unladen they can rattle at the hook). That cushion also helps to reduce 
>> stress on the slider hook. Another neat thing about the Super C rears is 
>> that the tops lay even with your rack. That way you can pile stuff (in my 
>> case sleeping bag, pad, tent, AND a camp chair-indulge me, I'm an old man) 
>> on top of your rack. The old Super C's puffed up when you filled them to 
>> capacity. Of course, don't forget the coolness factor. 
>>
>> [image: Super C Configuration.jpg]
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the "new" Super C's with the cam-style hooks and lower 
>>> securing clip?
>>> I'm curious if the "new" mounting system is:
>>> 1. As secure as a standard good ol' hooks and bungee system, and
>>> 2. A hassle to get on and off?
>>>
>>> I love Carradice stuff, but am dubious about this securing system.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Ian A]

+1. I bought a pair of Super C front panniers from SJS and paid a small fortune 
in shipping. Buying from Carradice directly can result in lower shipping costs, 
but SJS seem to have lower prices on the same items, so paying the higher 
shipping can more economical than buying direct.

SJS is always worth supporting. A super shop, knowledgeable, courteous and 
helpful.

IanA Alberta Canada

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[John Bokman]

To all who helped elucidate me: Thank You!

I struggled with the choice, but in the end ordered a set of Super C Rear 
bags from SJS.

Ride with the wind at your backs.

John

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 9:42:16 PM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>
> +1. I bought a pair of Super C front panniers from SJS and paid a small 
> fortune in shipping. Buying from Carradice directly can result in lower 
> shipping costs, but SJS seem to have lower prices on the same items, so 
> paying the higher shipping can more economical than buying direct.
>
> SJS is always worth supporting. A super shop, knowledgeable, courteous and 
> helpful.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[sean]

Hi John,

I use Super C's on a daily basis and can't "wax" on enough about them (get 
it? :) I have both the mini/universal front panniers and the rear (large) 
panniers. These bags are bomb proof, look great with wear, and keep the 
rain out. I have never had a problem with losing anything out of the 
smaller, rear pockets. Usually I carry tubes in there, water bottles, or 
bombers of beer when I'm grocery shopping. The two large rear panniers can 
each swallow an entire 12-pack box of Topo Chico (glass bottles) without 
any problem. And I have room to stack other sundries on top. Grocery 
shoppers are shocked when they see me stuffing these large boxes into my 
bags. The bags can even be overstuffed as well since there is ample room on 
the webbing straps by just adjusting the placement of the fastex buckle.The 
top straps (where the "carry webbing" is) also can be adjusted to cinch 
down flat items across the top of the bags. As you can probably tell, I 
routinely grocery shop with these formidable bags.

The "new" system of hooks is a VAST improvement over the older ratcheting 
system. It basically involves slotting the provided spacers (for different 
diameter rack tubes) into the hooks and using the newer spring-mounted 
latch as the 3rd securing point to the rack. The lower anti-sway bar is 
easy to adjust and together these work great to keep the bags secure while 
also enabling easy removal.

I love SJS and shipping /cost time has never bothered me, you could try 
BikeShopHub in Tucson: 
https://www.bikeshophub.com/product-category/carradice-bags/carradice-panniers 
but 
will pay more.

Woops, it looks you've already purchased from SJS. Well done! You're gonna 
love these bags.

Sean
ATX





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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[john Bokman]

Sean, thanks for the reply.

Q: Since you use the Universal front bags: In your estimation would I be able 
to fit a 3-ring binder or a few of them in there? I did not get them because it 
looks like they taper down pretty narrow (6” wide  by my rough calculation)
at the bottom. And they don’t look all that deep, so fitting a few or a book or 
two in addition might be tough?

If I were able to do that I might get a set of front panniers in the future and 
reserve the large ones for touring and grocery getting.

And, how large is the outside front pocket? Enough to fit a wallet, phone, 
keys, etc.?
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 11:22 AM, sean  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I use Super C's on a daily basis and can't "wax" on enough about them (get 
> it? :) I have both the mini/universal front panniers and the rear (large) 
> panniers. These bags are bomb proof, look great with wear, and keep the rain 
> out. I have never had a problem with losing anything out of the smaller, rear 
> pockets. Usually I carry tubes in there, water bottles, or bombers of beer 
> when I'm grocery shopping. The two large rear panniers can each swallow an 
> entire 12-pack box of Topo Chico (glass bottles) without any problem. And I 
> have room to stack other sundries on top. Grocery shoppers are shocked when 
> they see me stuffing these large boxes into my bags. The bags can even be 
> overstuffed as well since there is ample room on the webbing straps by just 
> adjusting the placement of the fastex buckle.The top straps (where the "carry 
> webbing" is) also can be adjusted to cinch down flat items across the top of 
> the bags. As you can probably tell, I routinely grocery shop with these 
> formidable bags.
> 
> The "new" system of hooks is a VAST improvement over the older ratcheting 
> system. It basically involves slotting the provided spacers (for different 
> diameter rack tubes) into the hooks and using the newer spring-mounted latch 
> as the 3rd securing point to the rack. The lower anti-sway bar is easy to 
> adjust and together these work great to keep the bags secure while also 
> enabling easy removal.
> 
> I love SJS and shipping /cost time has never bothered me, you could try 
> BikeShopHub in Tucson: 
> https://www.bikeshophub.com/product-category/carradice-bags/carradice-panniers
>  
> 
>  but will pay more.
> 
> Woops, it looks you've already purchased from SJS. Well done! You're gonna 
> love these bags.
> 
> Sean
> ATX
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[lambbo]

I have the large rear Super C pair, and I run them up front often.  The 
side pocket is huge, perfect for a camping pad or small sleeping bag

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 10:20:19 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Craig, those are gorgeous bags, and you make a strong case for them. I 
> only wish there were a size between the small fronts (28 liters) and the 
> enormous rears (54 liters!).
>
> I am usually of a “go bigger, why not?” mindset. But these are really 
> large.
> Choices, choices….arrgh! Big or small? 
>
> Question: Looking at reviews, it appears that there is universal agreement 
> that the outside pocket of the large panniers is prone to spilling its 
> contents because the strap does not snug enough. Do you find this to be the 
> case? Or could one simply punch another hole in the strap?
>
> I would need this outside pocket for sundries in my day to day. I need 
> some kind of pocket (zippered or otherwise) in my day-to-day pannier. 
> Something in which to stash wallet, keys, phone, etc.
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:46 PM, Craig Montgomery  > wrote:
>
> These are the guys I'm sure. Tough as nails. Super C rears are huge. 
> You'll master the hook thingie up top pretty quickly. You have to position 
> the bottom (slideable) hook for the specific struts of your rack. I use 
> Nitto Big Racks front and rear. Then what I do is wrap some cotton 
> handlebar tape around the strut where the hook touches it. Duct tape would 
> work too. That makes the fit a bit more positive, and quieter (if you ride 
> unladen they can rattle at the hook). That cushion also helps to reduce 
> stress on the slider hook. Another neat thing about the Super C rears is 
> that the tops lay even with your rack. That way you can pile stuff (in my 
> case sleeping bag, pad, tent, AND a camp chair-indulge me, I'm an old man) 
> on top of your rack. The old Super C's puffed up when you filled them to 
> capacity. Of course, don't forget the coolness factor. 
>
> [image: Super C Configuration.jpg]
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have the "new" Super C's with the cam-style hooks and lower 
>> securing clip?
>> I'm curious if the "new" mounting system is:
>> 1. As secure as a standard good ol' hooks and bungee system, and
>> 2. A hassle to get on and off?
>>
>> I love Carradice stuff, but am dubious about this securing system.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[sean]

Hi John,

The outside front pockets can easily fit a wallet. phone, keys. However, I 
wouldn't recommend storing those things in such a vulnerable place (low to 
the ground, near the wheel, kind of out of line of sight - might miss if 
things pop out).

The front panniers are great but the base is indeed smaller. You can 
probably cram some binders in there, but not an optimum fit. Much better 
for soft goods (clothes, loaves of bread, etc)

Sean

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[john Bokman]

Thanks Sean. That’s what I was thinking. I have some Super C Rear bags coming.
Wish the front bags were in between the size they are, and the large. Very nice 
looking bags. They would be great for overnight trips and the like.

> On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:34 AM, sean  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> The outside front pockets can easily fit a wallet. phone, keys. However, I 
> wouldn't recommend storing those things in such a vulnerable place (low to 
> the ground, near the wheel, kind of out of line of sight - might miss if 
> things pop out).
> 
> The front panniers are great but the base is indeed smaller. You can probably 
> cram some binders in there, but not an optimum fit. Much better for soft 
> goods (clothes, loaves of bread, etc)
> 
> Sean
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Friend]

How's that waterproof-ness of the Super C rear bags?

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 3:23:18 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Thanks Sean. That’s what I was thinking. I have some Super C Rear bags 
> coming.
> Wish the front bags were in between the size they are, and the large. Very 
> nice looking bags. They would be great for overnight trips and the like.
>
> On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:34 AM, sean > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> The outside front pockets can easily fit a wallet. phone, keys. However, I 
> wouldn't recommend storing those things in such a vulnerable place (low to 
> the ground, near the wheel, kind of out of line of sight - might miss if 
> things pop out).
>
> The front panniers are great but the base is indeed smaller. You can 
> probably cram some binders in there, but not an optimum fit. Much better 
> for soft goods (clothes, loaves of bread, etc)
>
> Sean
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Ed Fausto]

It is not waterproof when it is still brand new.
My stuff got wet during my 2016 TransAm tour since it was brand new when I
started.

Regards,
Edgar

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:27 AM Friend  wrote:

> How's that waterproof-ness of the Super C rear bags?
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 3:23:18 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Sean. That’s what I was thinking. I have some Super C Rear bags
>> coming.
>> Wish the front bags were in between the size they are, and the large.
>> Very nice looking bags. They would be great for overnight trips and the
>> like.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:34 AM, sean  wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> The outside front pockets can easily fit a wallet. phone, keys. However,
>> I wouldn't recommend storing those things in such a vulnerable place (low
>> to the ground, near the wheel, kind of out of line of sight - might miss if
>> things pop out).
>>
>> The front panniers are great but the base is indeed smaller. You can
>> probably cram some binders in there, but not an optimum fit. Much better
>> for soft goods (clothes, loaves of bread, etc)
>>
>> Sean
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Super C Pannier question

[Ian A]

They look super on the Hillborne. Good choice and they look big enough without 
being too big. They should last many years.

IanA

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