[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
I mounted a Strada up front last night. Really impressed with this tubular. At 140 psi, it rides softer than the Parigi at 120 psi (and softer than the Vittoria Rally at 90) On Friday, May 17, 2013 1:29:40 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Poor wrote: as fragile as the Parigi-Roubaix Is it possible that this tire has been misnamed? (BTW, at the risk of offending flat-gods, my Challenge Strada tubulars, a bit narrower than the Parigi-Roubaix, have held up nicely for the last year or so...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 05:09 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: I mounted a Strada up front last night. Really impressed with this tubular. At 140 psi, it rides softer than the Parigi at 120 psi (and softer than the Vittoria Rally at 90) Has anyone asked why you are inflating the Parigi Roubaix to 120? That's roughly 50% more pressure than I use (at 0.1 tons weight). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
to compare the ride as I described. Pretty sure Challenge rates the tire 95 to 125 psi, so if you're actually running 80 psi you're outside of their spec. Has anyone ever asked you why you post in this manner? On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:23:44 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 05:09 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: I mounted a Strada up front last night. Really impressed with this tubular. At 140 psi, it rides softer than the Parigi at 120 psi (and softer than the Vittoria Rally at 90) Has anyone asked why you are inflating the Parigi Roubaix to 120? That's roughly 50% more pressure than I use (at 0.1 tons weight). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 07:05 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: to compare the ride as I described. Pretty sure Challenge rates the tire 95 to 125 psi, so if you're actually running 80 psi you're outside of their spec. Has anyone ever asked you why you post in this manner? The Parigi Roubaix is actually a 29-30mm tire. See the linked tire pressure chart: www.bikequarterly.com/images/TireDrop.pdf and you will see that 120 psi on that tire would be ideal for a total weight well in excess of 300 lb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
yes, and I told you I inflated it to see how sharply it rode over the edge of my garage and was checking the front at higher pressures at the same time. I do normally run this tire at 100 to 110 psi, and have been very happy with that pressure for 50 miles. On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:42:55 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 07:05 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: to compare the ride as I described. Pretty sure Challenge rates the tire 95 to 125 psi, so if you're actually running 80 psi you're outside of their spec. Has anyone ever asked you why you post in this manner? The Parigi Roubaix is actually a 29-30mm tire. See the linked tire pressure chart: www.bikequarterly.com/images/TireDrop.pdf and you will see that 120 psi on that tire would be ideal for a total weight well in excess of 300 lb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
Patrick, I feel for you really I do. It's bad enough dealing with goat heads, but on top of that you get talking heads. I have never cycled through goat heads but I am familiar with them from camping in Canyon de Chellly in Az. I remember dreading putting my hand down to crawl out of the tent. Yikes. In any case I'm probably not qualified to give flat tire advice, since my # of flats have declined dramatically since retiring. No commuting into town. I've had two flats this year, one on a Marathon Racer on the tandem and one on a new Pari-moto. I run Grand Bois cerf on the Ram and have about a thousand miles without a flat. I plan to attend a conference in Santa Fe next April and hope to go early and bike in ABQ. ( One day of Santa Fe is enough for me.) Not sure which bike I will bring but will look to you for a tire recommendation. Have you tried riding on prayers? I remember coming home from work one very dark, rainy night on the Ram, with Ruffy Tuffy's. I was on a dirt road, which I discovered, much to my dismay, had been graded that day and was very rocky. I remember thinking, I hope I don't flat. when bam, my back tire went. Since then I only think, I will not flat. blessings in the pipeline for you, Michael On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:28:44 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Some listers expressed skepticism that my very generously priced P-R clinchers would survive the goathead hell that is ABQ, NM. Well, I've given them a proper trial and the answer is, not without help. When it gets to where you are afraid to ride the bike because you fear a flat will make you late -- this stops even me. I rode a bit less than 8 miles to Stevie's today and, at quitting time, yes, the front was flat. (I swapped tubes and inflated and made it home whole and sound. Amen.) So: Last option before offering them to someone else: Stan's in the toobs. Will report. If Stan's don't work, back to the Kojaks. Patrick Moore, who just received orders for two (2) boxes of 100 (one hundred) 16 mm REMA patches in ABQ, NM. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
Patrick has been having good luck with Stan's. I pulled the thread back because of the Stradas - they ride better than the larger Parigis. et tu? On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:22:53 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: Patrick, I feel for you really I do. It's bad enough dealing with goat heads, but on top of that you get talking heads. I have never cycled through goat heads but I am familiar with them from camping in Canyon de Chellly in Az. I remember dreading putting my hand down to crawl out of the tent. Yikes. In any case I'm probably not qualified to give flat tire advice, since my # of flats have declined dramatically since retiring. No commuting into town. I've had two flats this year, one on a Marathon Racer on the tandem and one on a new Pari-moto. I run Grand Bois cerf on the Ram and have about a thousand miles without a flat. I plan to attend a conference in Santa Fe next April and hope to go early and bike in ABQ. ( One day of Santa Fe is enough for me.) Not sure which bike I will bring but will look to you for a tire recommendation. Have you tried riding on prayers? I remember coming home from work one very dark, rainy night on the Ram, with Ruffy Tuffy's. I was on a dirt road, which I discovered, much to my dismay, had been graded that day and was very rocky. I remember thinking, I hope I don't flat. when bam, my back tire went. Since then I only think, I will not flat. blessings in the pipeline for you, Michael On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:28:44 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Some listers expressed skepticism that my very generously priced P-R clinchers would survive the goathead hell that is ABQ, NM. Well, I've given them a proper trial and the answer is, not without help. When it gets to where you are afraid to ride the bike because you fear a flat will make you late -- this stops even me. I rode a bit less than 8 miles to Stevie's today and, at quitting time, yes, the front was flat. (I swapped tubes and inflated and made it home whole and sound. Amen.) So: Last option before offering them to someone else: Stan's in the toobs. Will report. If Stan's don't work, back to the Kojaks. Patrick Moore, who just received orders for two (2) boxes of 100 (one hundred) 16 mm REMA patches in ABQ, NM. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
as fragile as the Parigi-Roubaix Is it possible that this tire has been misnamed? (BTW, at the risk of offending flat-gods, my Challenge Strada tubulars, a bit narrower than the Parigi-Roubaix, have held up nicely for the last year or so...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
That's good to hear. I rotate between a set of 40mm Duremes and 32mm Hypers, depending on my mood, and it's good to know the Hypers hold up well to flats (I have few worries about the Duremes). On Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:37:43 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: One a ride this weekend (Me on my AHH w/ 35mm Vittoria Hyper Rando tires) and a friend riding my Ritchey touring bike(Challenge Roubaix tire), we both descended a hill and into a large patch of broken glass. The Challenge tires immediately flatted (front rear). I was able to continue to a safe spot to stop about 75 yards away, with no issues. We pulled close to the same amounts of glass from both sets of tires. No flats or casing penetration on the Vittoria's.The Challenge tires ride nice but they come with a price. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
I'm very happy to hear this - I just mounted Parigi-Roubaix tubulars on the wheels I got from Patrick, on a Francesco Moser lugged frame I bought on ebay and just finished building. Maiden voyage on Sunday... On Friday, May 17, 2013 1:29:40 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Poor wrote: as fragile as the Parigi-Roubaix Is it possible that this tire has been misnamed? (BTW, at the risk of offending flat-gods, my Challenge Strada tubulars, a bit narrower than the Parigi-Roubaix, have held up nicely for the last year or so...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
One a ride this weekend (Me on my AHH w/ 35mm Vittoria Hyper Rando tires) and a friend riding my Ritchey touring bike(Challenge Roubaix tire), we both descended a hill and into a large patch of broken glass. The Challenge tires immediately flatted (front rear). I was able to continue to a safe spot to stop about 75 yards away, with no issues. We pulled close to the same amounts of glass from both sets of tires. No flats or casing penetration on the Vittoria's.The Challenge tires ride nice but they come with a price. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 18:37 -0700, Brian Campbell wrote: One a ride this weekend (Me on my AHH w/ 35mm Vittoria Hyper Rando tires) and a friend riding my Ritchey touring bike(Challenge Roubaix tire), we both descended a hill and into a large patch of broken glass. The Challenge tires immediately flatted (front rear). I was able to continue to a safe spot to stop about 75 yards away, with no issues. We pulled close to the same amounts of glass from both sets of tires. No flats or casing penetration on the Vittoria's.The Challenge tires ride nice but they come with a price. They ride wonderfully, but they flat very easily. They're also the very devil to mount when they are new. The set I've been using on my George Longstaff came to me used (the previous owner gave up on them because they flatted so easily and were so hard to remove and reinstall). I found them pretty easy to install and I've even been able to remove them without tools. I recently bought another pair, this time new in the package, from a member of the iBOB list. My back tire's getting a bit worn, so I figured it would soon be time for a replacement. If a pair of used tires is easy to install and word on the street is these are the hardest to install, tightest tires in the entire world, I wondered if perhaps they might benefit from a little pre-stretching, sort of like you'd do with a tubular. I figured first thing, it might help to stretch the bead a bit by mounting the tires on a rim without a tube. That way, I could use a tire lever to help mount the tire without fear of damaging the tube. So, the other day, I dug out an old wheel I have in the shed that I haven't used since the mid 90s (still has a good 13-34 7 speed cassette on it, and I thought maybe it might come in handy some day) and tried to mount the tire. I spent over 20 minutes simply mounting one side. Round and round I'd go, and soon as I got another few inches on one side, a similar amount would come off on the other side. But eventually, after 20 minutes the bead eased up a bit and I was able to get one side on. I used tire levers on the other side. And I was right: a tube would have been destroyed, ripped to shreds, long before I had the second bead mounted. It was tough, but eventually I got it on. I have never seen a tire so tight. First guess, you'd almost have thought it was a 650C tire mislabeled, it was so small. Good thing I have strong tire levers (steel, at least 40 years old). And then I let the wheel sit for 2 days. After a couple of days, I used levers to remove one side of the tire, installed a (narrow, 23-25mm) tube, and remounted the tire. Much easier this time than the first time, no tools required. Almost felt like a normal but tight tire, rather than a mislabeled 26. And then I inflated the tire. It's sitting in the basement now, stretching. Sometime in the future I'll remove it and go through the whole thing again with the other new one that's still in the package. Perhaps by the time I actually need to mount a new one, it'll be as easy to mount as the original used set was. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
Hey Steve: as preparatory initiation to mounting Brand New Parigi Roubaix on virgin rims, you ought to spend 10 years mounting Thorn Proof Toobs on narrow rims under thick 'n' stiff sidewall'd tires. Does wonderful things for your grip strength and the virtues of patience and resignation. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 18:37 -0700, Brian Campbell wrote: One a ride this weekend (Me on my AHH w/ 35mm Vittoria Hyper Rando tires) and a friend riding my Ritchey touring bike(Challenge Roubaix tire), we both descended a hill and into a large patch of broken glass. The Challenge tires immediately flatted (front rear). I was able to continue to a safe spot to stop about 75 yards away, with no issues. We pulled close to the same amounts of glass from both sets of tires. No flats or casing penetration on the Vittoria's.The Challenge tires ride nice but they come with a price. They ride wonderfully, but they flat very easily. They're also the very devil to mount when they are new. The set I've been using on my George Longstaff came to me used (the previous owner gave up on them because they flatted so easily and were so hard to remove and reinstall). I found them pretty easy to install and I've even been able to remove them without tools. I recently bought another pair, this time new in the package, from a member of the iBOB list. My back tire's getting a bit worn, so I figured it would soon be time for a replacement. If a pair of used tires is easy to install and word on the street is these are the hardest to install, tightest tires in the entire world, I wondered if perhaps they might benefit from a little pre-stretching, sort of like you'd do with a tubular. I figured first thing, it might help to stretch the bead a bit by mounting the tires on a rim without a tube. That way, I could use a tire lever to help mount the tire without fear of damaging the tube. So, the other day, I dug out an old wheel I have in the shed that I haven't used since the mid 90s (still has a good 13-34 7 speed cassette on it, and I thought maybe it might come in handy some day) and tried to mount the tire. I spent over 20 minutes simply mounting one side. Round and round I'd go, and soon as I got another few inches on one side, a similar amount would come off on the other side. But eventually, after 20 minutes the bead eased up a bit and I was able to get one side on. I used tire levers on the other side. And I was right: a tube would have been destroyed, ripped to shreds, long before I had the second bead mounted. It was tough, but eventually I got it on. I have never seen a tire so tight. First guess, you'd almost have thought it was a 650C tire mislabeled, it was so small. Good thing I have strong tire levers (steel, at least 40 years old). And then I let the wheel sit for 2 days. After a couple of days, I used levers to remove one side of the tire, installed a (narrow, 23-25mm) tube, and remounted the tire. Much easier this time than the first time, no tools required. Almost felt like a normal but tight tire, rather than a mislabeled 26. And then I inflated the tire. It's sitting in the basement now, stretching. Sometime in the future I'll remove it and go through the whole thing again with the other new one that's still in the package. Perhaps by the time I actually need to mount a new one, it'll be as easy to mount as the original used set was. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi Roubaix on the Ram
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 20:03 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Hey Steve: as preparatory initiation to mounting Brand New Parigi Roubaix on virgin rims, you ought to spend 10 years mounting Thorn Proof Toobs on narrow rims under thick 'n' stiff sidewall'd tires. Does wonderful things for your grip strength and the virtues of patience and resignation. Technique is certainly important. Every now and then you read somebody's comment about weak or sore thumbs, and you realize this person hasn't the faintest idea how to go about mounting a recalcitrant tire. Thumbs just don't enter into it, it's all in the palms. Patience, resignation, craftiness, talc, soap solution, they all play a part. I think with the Parigi-Roubaix pre-stretching will prove to be a winning technique. As for thorn proof tubes: there's a lot to not like about Metro DC, especially when the heat and humidity start to go through the roof, but at least we don't have Tribulus terrestris. I don't know how you stand it. (I also can't imagine how you ever thought that a tire as fragile as the Parigi-Roubaix could survive in an environment like the world of Mad Max... You need tracks, not tires, I think.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
