[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
Other impressions that have come to mind: - I liked the cheap-o retr-o plastic grips, but I think without gloves my hands would get sticky sweaty on long rides with them. - I can't comment on the seat. The binder bolt broke while adjusting it for the test ride which ended up being all-standing and shorter (duration, not height; although at 5'8"...) than I would have liked. But the saddle looked nice. Attached to the seat post. Lying on the ground. :/ - the IG-turned-derailer shifters worked great. Indexed, but frictiony. Shifted just fine. No worries. Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, dougP wrote: > Jim: > > Let us know if you find a source for that seat. > > dougP > > On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, Aaron. >> >> One of the pictures, >> >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/19449664091/in/album-72157655573779841/ >> >> shows the bike's seat lying on the ground. I was at Rivendell WC >> yesterday, and I got to ride the Clementine with that seat attached. It's >> really excellent. The brand is Velo; the look is plain and good, and the >> handle it has off the back is nice for two reasons: as a handle as intended >> or as a place for saddlebag attaching. It's wide to optimize the Bosco bar >> setup, but you don't have to spring (!) for the price of a B67. I liked how >> the inexpensive Velo seat felt while riding on it. I kind of want to get >> one separately. >> >> -Jim W. >> Los Angeles, CA (temporarily in Berkeley) >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aaron Young wrote: >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently. What a >> great shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall >> of Bob Dylan albums for sale. >> >> It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange >> Cheviot was an orange Clementine. Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine??? >> >> Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a >> bit. It was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires. It was great! >> The Hunqa fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough. >> >> I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the >> Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed. But it was a whole different >> story to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the >> Clementine with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it. Not >> "girly" at all (hey, I like "girly"). I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the >> Clementine to anyone especially for the price. Heck, now I'm itching to >> add one to my band of bicycles. I'm pretty sure I would even go with a >> Clementine over the Clem because of the drop tube. >> >> Here's a few pics from my short shop visit: >> >> https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26 >> >> Aaron Young >> The Dalles, OR >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> James Warren >> jimcw...@earthlink.net >> >> - 700x33 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
Other impressions that have come to mind: - I liked the cheap-o retr-o plastic grips, but I think without gloves my hands would get sticky sweaty on long rides with them. - I can't comment on the seat. The binder bolt broke while adjusting it for the test ride which ended up being all-standing and shorter (duration, not height; although at 5'8"...) than I would have liked. But the saddle looked nice. Attached to the seat post. Lying on the ground. :/ - the IG-turned-derailer shifters worked great. Indexed, but frictiony. Shifted just fine. No worries. Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, dougP wrote: > Jim: > > Let us know if you find a source for that seat. > > dougP > > On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, Aaron. >> >> One of the pictures, >> >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/19449664091/in/album-72157655573779841/ >> >> shows the bike's seat lying on the ground. I was at Rivendell WC >> yesterday, and I got to ride the Clementine with that seat attached. It's >> really excellent. The brand is Velo; the look is plain and good, and the >> handle it has off the back is nice for two reasons: as a handle as intended >> or as a place for saddlebag attaching. It's wide to optimize the Bosco bar >> setup, but you don't have to spring (!) for the price of a B67. I liked how >> the inexpensive Velo seat felt while riding on it. I kind of want to get >> one separately. >> >> -Jim W. >> Los Angeles, CA (temporarily in Berkeley) >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aaron Young wrote: >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> I stopped by Rivelo in Portland for the first time recently. What a >> great shop with all the bike and camping gear, hatchets, and a entire wall >> of Bob Dylan albums for sale. >> >> It took a minute before I noticed but sitting right next to an orange >> Cheviot was an orange Clementine. Or maybe it's a clementine Clementine??? >> >> Shop owner John (nice to meet you!) let me ride the Clementine for a >> bit. It was set up with Bosco bars and fat knobby tires. It was great! >> The Hunqa fork goes a long way to making this bike look super tough. >> >> I admit that based only on internet pics and reading about the >> Clem/Clementine I was not very impressed. But it was a whole different >> story to see it in person and ride it, and now I'm a believer. Even the >> Clementine with the swooping tubes had a rough/tough/beefy look to it. Not >> "girly" at all (hey, I like "girly"). I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the >> Clementine to anyone especially for the price. Heck, now I'm itching to >> add one to my band of bicycles. I'm pretty sure I would even go with a >> Clementine over the Clem because of the drop tube. >> >> Here's a few pics from my short shop visit: >> >> https://www.flickr.com/gp/sk8_or_die/XV8E26 >> >> Aaron Young >> The Dalles, OR >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> James Warren >> jimcw...@earthlink.net >> >> - 700x33 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a century on such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips and such. But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one. But the frame design worries at me. On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-4, A. L Young wrote: > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
i was wondering that myself, but I'd add "Comfortably and within a reasonable time":p On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote: > > Could one do a century on such a bike? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote: > > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is > luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just > seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better > design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. > But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a century on > such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips and such. > But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? I was > trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one. > But the frame design worries at me. > For cruising, the clemintine should be fine. A few years ago, I bought my daughter a Schwinn "step-thru" comfort bike. For cruising around, and doing short trips, it works fine. Our schwinn looks very similar to the clemintine without the fancy lugs. Check it out: http://www.sears.com/schwinn-women-s-suburban-cs-26inch-comfort-bike/p-00630016000P?prdNo=11&blockNo=11&blockType=G11\ At about $250, it was actually a good deal and my daughter actually likes it! Of course, YMMV! Good Luck! > > On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-4, A. L Young wrote: >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
they do have a beefier feel than most step thru bikes ive come in contact with, but i agree that the innate nature of the design makes me wonder a little. (the cable routing would bother me more though.) But then again, i see swoop tube bikes that are like 50 years old every once in a while and they look like they survived and have some good stories to tell. my fiance is barely over 5ft and we ended up getting the tiny clem proto. fits like it was made for her. luckily, she prefered the non step-thru design anyway. no reason you couldn't go with the clem if you're not keen on the swoop and want some more rigidity. i think they are both pretty unisexish, and the clem feels bombproof. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
Am I missing something here water bottle mounts ? On both the Chev and the Clems , I see only one . I don't know about anyone else but I rarely ride with 1 large bottle , and those are <20 miles . Does this mean you have to mcgyver water bottle mounts with aftermarkets I assume ? With all that real estate behind the ST it seems there could be at least 1 if not 2 braze-ons mounted at like 45 degree angles backwards . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
I believe the production frame Clems and Clementines will have two bottle mounts. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 11:23:01 PM UTC-6, A. L Young wrote: > > I saw only one bottle mount on the Clementine. The Blug shows a bottle > behind the seat tube on that black Clemmy. It appears strapped on though. > I think the absence of a bottle holder somewhere on the seat tube is > disappointing. > Maybe it didn't work well on prototypes?? > > Aaron Young > The Dalles, OR > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike. Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the Clementine seems like to me. (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.) -Jim W. Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is luscious. > But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just seems so > mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better design for > dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. But this > Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a century on such a > bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips and such. But I can't > see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? I was trying to convince > my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one. But the frame design > worries at me. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even the Cheviot. I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I bought for my wife. In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up front and went for a short overnight tour. If you balance the load right, then for road touring it's no problem. Off road touring, on the other hand, would require a very different bike. When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single track. That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike. Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :) Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren wrote: > > The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or > full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the > Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; > it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that > make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to > help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I > would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike. > > Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic > mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long > chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender > mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the > Clementine seems like to me. > > (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.) > > -Jim W. > Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily > > > On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: > > > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is > luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just > seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better > design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable > frame. But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a > century on such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips > and such. But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? > I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted > one. But the frame design worries at me. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
I would not hesitate to dirt tour on my Cheviot. It is the 60cm version and can fit 50mm tires. Not talking fat bike style expedition touring, but gravel roads and bay area type single track should not pose a problem. Of course all a matter of how much you carry and how well you pick your lines. Clayton Scott SF, CA On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote: > > I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even > the Cheviot. I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I > bought for my wife. In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers > (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up > front and went for a short overnight tour. If you balance the load right, > then for road touring it's no problem. Off road touring, on the other > hand, would require a very different bike. > > When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single > track. That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike. > Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :) > > Aaron Young > The Dalles, OR > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren > wrote: > >> >> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or >> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the >> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; >> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that >> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to >> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I >> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike. >> >> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic >> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long >> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender >> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the >> Clementine seems like to me. >> >> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.) >> >> -Jim W. >> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: >> >> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is >> luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just >> seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better >> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable >> frame. But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a >> century on such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips >> and such. But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? >> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted >> one. But the frame design worries at me. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
My 'Viut with bullmoose boscos and rock 'n road tires handled local single track very well this past weekend. Not as well as the Jones, but not that far off either. Was able to clean all the usual technicalities and made it up the steepest inclines. On the road is wonderful too. I feel like it is one of those bikes that is a lot more than what meets the eye. I can imagine the Clementine will be similar in that aspect. Clayton Scott SF, CA On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:53:06 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote: > > I would not hesitate to dirt tour on my Cheviot. It is the 60cm version > and can fit 50mm tires. Not talking fat bike style expedition touring, but > gravel roads and bay area type single track should not pose a problem. Of > course all a matter of how much you carry and how well you pick your lines. > > Clayton Scott > SF, CA > > > > > On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote: >> >> I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even >> the Cheviot. I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I >> bought for my wife. In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers >> (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up >> front and went for a short overnight tour. If you balance the load right, >> then for road touring it's no problem. Off road touring, on the other >> hand, would require a very different bike. >> >> When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling >> single track. That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that >> bike. Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :) >> >> Aaron Young >> The Dalles, OR >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren >> wrote: >> >>> >>> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or >>> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the >>> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; >>> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that >>> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to >>> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I >>> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike. >>> >>> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic >>> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long >>> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender >>> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the >>> Clementine seems like to me. >>> >>> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.) >>> >>> -Jim W. >>> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily >>> >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: >>> >>> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is >>> luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just >>> seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better >>> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable >>> frame. But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a >>> century on such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips >>> and such. But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? >>> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted >>> one. But the frame design worries at me. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
I didn't say it as directly, but I agree with you about the trail riding, Aaron. Perfect use for sure. (And strangely enough, another thing that makes it far superior to so many cheap mixtes is that it has a great fork as opposed to their lousy springy forks.) On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Aaron Young wrote: > I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even the > Cheviot. I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I bought for > my wife. In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers (lightly > loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up front and went > for a short overnight tour. If you balance the load right, then for road > touring it's no problem. Off road touring, on the other hand, would require > a very different bike. > > When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single > track. That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike. > Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :) > > Aaron Young > The Dalles, OR > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren wrote: > > The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or full > touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the Clementine > practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; it rides > really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that make you > sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to help > provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I would > not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike. > > Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic mixtes. > Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long chainstays, > serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender mounts and > well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the Clementine > seems like to me. > > (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.) > > -Jim W. > Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily > > > On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: > > > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is > > luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just > > seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better > > design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable frame. > > But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a century on > > such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips and such. > > But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? I was > > trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted one. > > But the frame design worries at me. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x33 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clementine Believer
Yes, I think the Hunqa-fork coupled with those crazy chainstays makes the bike. Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, James Warren wrote: > > I didn't say it as directly, but I agree with you about the trail riding, > Aaron. Perfect use for sure. (And strangely enough, another thing that > makes it far superior to so many cheap mixtes is that it has a great fork > as opposed to their lousy springy forks.) > > > > > On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Aaron Young wrote: > > I agree with Drew - the Clementine I rode seemed a lot beefier than even > the Cheviot. I wouldn't be afraid to tour a bit on the Cheviot that I > bought for my wife. In fact, recently we loaded it up with rear panniers > (lightly loaded, to be fair), medium saddle bag, and the Wald basket up > front and went for a short overnight tour. If you balance the load right, > then for road touring it's no problem. Off road touring, on the other > hand, would require a very different bike. > > When I rode the Clementine I wanted to take it on some nice rolling single > track. That seemed to me like it would be a perfect use for that bike. > Maybe it was the big knobbly tires. :) > > Aaron Young > The Dalles, OR > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, James Warren > wrote: > >> >> The Riv spectrum certainly includes bikes not intended for centuries or >> full touring. So I'd guess that trading off those things to make the >> Clementine practical and fun were part of the design. I rode it yesterday; >> it rides really nice. I could easily see it for afternoon fun rides that >> make you sweat, with those monster tire allowances taking your on trails to >> help provide that sweat. For me, that would be the fun part. In addition, I >> would not consider it a century bike or a loaded touring bike. >> >> Another way of looking at it: consider the world of practical, basic >> mixtes. Now consider those bikes benefiting from Riv improvements: long >> chainstays, serious tire clearance, awesome rack braze-ons and fender >> mounts and well-thought-out kickstand plate and pump peg*. That's what the >> Clementine seems like to me. >> >> (*I think the Clementine has a pump peg; not 100% sure.) >> >> -Jim W. >> Los Angeles usually, Berkeley temporarily >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: >> >> > I really like the black Clemintine, the one pictured on the Blug is >> luscious. But I admit, I am scared of the swoop down top tube. It just >> seems so mechanically not well thought out. A mixte has a much better >> design for dealing with frame stresses, that seems like a reasonable >> frame. But this Clemintine, could it do a loaded tour? Could one do a >> century on such a bike? It does seem great for around town, short trips >> and such. But I can't see doing trails on it. Wouldn't it be too flexy? >> I was trying to convince my wife to get one when I realized that I wanted >> one. But the frame design worries at me. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > James Warren > jimcwar...@earthlink.net > > - 700x33 > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
