Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, the sizing issue for me comes from floor living, which requires greater 
range of motion than cycling. In pre-made knickers I have to size up the waist 
2-4” so there is enough room for squatting, cross-legged, and kneeling. So then 
I have to cinch down way too much fabric at the waist. I’m hoping the custom 
thing, combined with wool is friendlier for my nutty way of moving. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: Please do share what you learn about custom wool plus 4s or
whateverthehelltheyare; I think I recall that you checked out some of the
Yew Kai sites I did for custom knee pants.

And thanks for the Compass Knickers review. I'd held off because of their
light weight, but the pilling problem answers the question, for me,
definitely.

Patrick (the other Patrick) Moore

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> Shoji, et al ... One of my pairs of Compass knickers pilled significantly
> after just two weeks of riding in them. I was informed that this is
> expected and normal wear. So, that answer has changed from February.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick (hoping wool custom fit knickers wear better and fit better, and
> will find out in a month or so)
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Shoji, et al ... One of my pairs of Compass knickers pilled significantly after 
just two weeks of riding in them. I was informed that this is expected and 
normal wear. So, that answer has changed from February.

With abandon,
Patrick (hoping wool custom fit knickers wear better and fit better, and will 
find out in a month or so)

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[ascpgh]

Compass should be proud to be on Team Deacon!

You'll soon be a catalog image there too. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> True to actual bare-skinned waist measurement? 
>
> They look to fit to the real waist rather than hips, is that accurate?
>
> Experience with heartiness in regular riding?
>
> Other input?
>
> (Thread started S extension of my other thread on “riding within my means”)
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Max S]

I have zero substance to contribute to this thread, as expected, but: 

https://quarterlybicycle.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/transform-the-love-of-your-life-or-yourself-with-weathervane-breeks/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Patrick Moore]

This is good to know ... Agree that for cycling pants, you want a waist at
real waist height. While my home-made knickers are not ideal as to features
or fabric (I'm sure the I Magnin flannels will pill and wear easily, now
that I have them altered to really fit) they do have natural waists.

Remove Reigns from short list ...

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

>  The trend is hip hugging low rider pants, which require sizing up to
> get more room to wear them if you prefer (as I do) the waist to actually be
> at the waist. At which point, sizing is very odd, having a lot of extra
> room at the waist that has to be taken up by a belt. That’s how the Reign
> knickers fit, but the fabric is thin, so not a huge deal.

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I love my Compass Knickers except I bought them when the pocket openings 
were very small and I have to fish things out of my pocket with my fingers. 
They since have fixed that issue.
I bought two Snoqualmie Pass tires and one arrived with an area across the 
tire that had a bubble or delaminated.
Theo took car of it immediately.
Great customer service.
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Steve Butcher]

Excellent explanation, Patrick.  Many of the bodily functions involve 
reserves and restoration.  

->Steve Butcher
   Stockton, Missouri

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:39:42 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great question, Lum. How much of an answer do you want? Ready? Duck! Grin. 
>
> For me, pants create a lot of fabric motion on the leg, which most people 
> never notice, but which adds to the “noise” my brain has to cut through to 
> function in the world. Shorts, less so, but can easily be more than 
> knickers. Knickers, cinched at the knee, allow full freedom of motion with 
> minimal fabric motion over the skin. Less clutter for me brain to deal with 
> means more, better, longer rides, and greater recovery and healing over 
> time. 
>
> The macro concept that is part of is that we all get a daily allotment of 
> “brain energy” and we have to stay in the “black” like any wise budget 
> does. But with brain injury, instea of $10,000, I get $100 per day. And 
> costs are more (anyone under any kind of stress pays more in daily brain 
> energy costs), so while a car ride may cost a brain healthy person $5, it 
> costs me $25. However, riding my bike (and running) increase my daily brain 
> budget by 50% each day I ride. Fixed gear by 175%. So even with the “costs” 
> of traffic noise, I usually come out ahead. But I have to save wherever I 
> can. Also, healing and long term recover only happen when I am in the 
> “black.” When something overloads my brain and costs me $300 (three days 
> budget) in a few seconds, I am in debt and need three days to recover. One 
> of the gifts of fixed gear is I can ride even on some of these recovery (in 
> the red) days, speeding up my “income” and thus my recovery. 
>
> Just remember... you asked. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Great question, Lum. How much of an answer do you want? Ready? Duck! Grin.

For me, pants create a lot of fabric motion on the leg, which most people never 
notice, but which adds to the “noise” my brain has to cut through to function 
in the world. Shorts, less so, but can easily be more than knickers. Knickers, 
cinched at the knee, allow full freedom of motion with minimal fabric motion 
over the skin. Less clutter for me brain to deal with means more, better, 
longer rides, and greater recovery and healing over time.

The macro concept that is part of is that we all get a daily allotment of 
“brain energy” and we have to stay in the “black” like any wise budget does. 
But with brain injury, instea of $10,000, I get $100 per day. And costs are 
more (anyone under any kind of stress pays more in daily brain energy costs), 
so while a car ride may cost a brain healthy person $5, it costs me $25. 
However, riding my bike (and running) increase my daily brain budget by 50% 
each day I ride. Fixed gear by 175%. So even with the “costs” of traffic noise, 
I usually come out ahead. But I have to save wherever I can. Also, healing and 
long term recover only happen when I am in the “black.” When something 
overloads my brain and costs me $300 (three days budget) in a few seconds, I am 
in debt and need three days to recover. One of the gifts of fixed gear is I can 
ride even on some of these recovery (in the red) days, speeding up my “income” 
and thus my recovery.

Just remember... you asked. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

Why knickers and not something like MUSA long pants? I would think full leg 
coverage would be better in frosty Colorado.

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Shoji, I just spoke with Theo at Compass and asked about the pilling. He said 
they’d take care of me if that happened, that it shouldn’t and he knows of two 
pair that happened with. Sounds like the great customer service I’ve 
experienced before with Compass (and Riv).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Shoji, Garth is right, the actual measurement is part of my question 
(manufactures often make people feel good by shifting the size of their waist: 
“Wow! In XYZ jeans, Im a 34, not a 38! I’ll buy XYZ” But another aspect is the 
rise. The trend is hip hugging low rider pants, which require sizing up to get 
more room to wear them if you prefer (as I do) the waist to actually be at the 
waist. At which point, sizing is very odd, having a lot of extra room at the 
waist that has to be taken up by a belt. That’s how the Reign knickers fit, but 
the fabric is thin, so not a huge deal.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Garth]

Forgive me for "budding" in, but DP is referring to the actual waist 
measurement. Just for some FYI , in the garment industry the designers call it 
the "garment waist" or some may just say "actual". With the garment laid flat, 
measured about 1" below the very top of the waist fabric. Many manufacturers 
will gladly tell you all the actual measurements for a given article of 
clothing just for the asking !  It can really help for comparing with a garment 
you actually have. 

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Patrick,
I wear 30 in most pants, and 30 Compass knickers fit as expected. 

I'm not sure I understand the real waist vs hips question. 

As for heartiness: I've been disappointed with the knickers. They started 
to pill along the upper thighs after only a few rides. I wear wool upper 
layers, perhaps a Riv-MUSA long-sleeve shirt, and I wouldn't expect pilling 
so early.

YMMV, 
Good luck!
shoji



On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> True to actual bare-skinned waist measurement? 
>
> They look to fit to the real waist rather than hips, is that accurate?
>
> Experience with heartiness in regular riding?
>
> Other input?
>
> (Thread started S extension of my other thread on “riding within my means”)
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.com *
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Beth H]

Since I sew by hand, I won't be doing anything terrifically fancy.
These are dress slack I got too big for; so some of the leftover will be
used to expand the waistline up a size (see photo for how I recently did
this with a pair of Swrve pants:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/21799276151/)

I will likely just hem them, gather in an inch or two on each leg and add a
1" wide strip with buttons and buttonholes (and yes, I know how to make
buttonholes by hand as well -- thanks Mom!).

Once I cut down the legs I'll have plenty of material left to make them
into plus-two-and-a-halfs or so.

Beth

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Daniel D.  wrote:

> Nice, besides length what alterations are you planning?
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 10:06:52 AM UTC-7, Beth H wrote:
>>
>> I am making my own fall-winter knicks from an old pair of corduroy
>> slacks. I will share pix when they're done.
>> I got the slacks out of a "free" box on the curb and I'm quite handy with
>> a needle so my cost for alterations is basically just my time.
>> I appreciate companies offering their designs, but the prices are beyond
>> me.
>> Consider reworking a garment another form of Made In The USA.
>> Beth in PDX
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Daniel D.]

Nice, besides length what alterations are you planning?

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 10:06:52 AM UTC-7, Beth H wrote:
>
> I am making my own fall-winter knicks from an old pair of corduroy slacks. 
> I will share pix when they're done.
> I got the slacks out of a "free" box on the curb and I'm quite handy with 
> a needle so my cost for alterations is basically just my time.
> I appreciate companies offering their designs, but the prices are beyond 
> me.
> Consider reworking a garment another form of Made In The USA.
> Beth in PDX
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Beth H]

I am making my own fall-winter knicks from an old pair of corduroy slacks. I 
will share pix when they're done.
I got the slacks out of a "free" box on the curb and I'm quite handy with a 
needle so my cost for alterations is basically just my time.
I appreciate companies offering their designs, but the prices are beyond me.
Consider reworking a garment another form of Made In The USA.
Beth in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Michael Cinibulk]

Thanks Will for the detailed review. I have the same problem as you with most 
knickers - they're too short for my long femurs. Would you mind measuring the 
inseam length of your pair?

Thanks,

Mike C
Bellbrook O

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[William deRosset]

Hi, All,

The Compass Knickers are about a plus-two to plus-three length on me when 
worn below the waist but above the hip, and run true to size. 

The front zipper pockets are pretty shallow--you'll be using those 
zippers--and the (right hand only) back zip pocket is large enough for a 
couple of credit cards or perhaps a wallet, so phablet users will need to 
look elsewhere for portable-TV-tracking-device storage. As a left-handed 
user of these shorts, I'd prefer to also have a left-hand rear pocket for 
my wallet etc.

The elasticated waist band was soft, and the belt held my clip-on 
pocketknife in place well.  There is a mesh back panel that is visually 
inobtrusive and may help with ventilation, though the regular material did 
fine in this regard.

The (polyester? my pair have no branding, size tags, or other markings at 
all) material is quite thin, sheds water, dries quickly, drapes 
beautifully, breathes well, and has a subtle 2-way stretch. The articulated 
knees, crotch gusset, etc result in a garment that does what it is supposed 
to do--disappear while riding while still looking like casual wear off of 
the bike. They are trim, but not restrictive, and the lack of obnoxious 
stitched-on logos etc is a welcome touch for modern cycling clothing. 
Stitching and reinforcement is inobtrusive, tight, and even.

Obviously, I've not yet had a chance to ride more than seventy miles or so 
in them to date (i.e. they were fine yesterday), but they held up in the 
washer, and dried very quickly on the line (minutes).

I'd prefer another inch in the length for the 32" size, but I've got long 
femurs. They are not vanity sized at all, so if you wear a "32" khaki or 
pre-shrunk Levis, then you'll be happier in the next size up. I have a true 
32" waist, usually take my khakis and straight-leg jeans in at the waist to 
fit my thighs, and I pretty much max the Compass knickers out. If I order 
another pair, they'll be sized up. 

They're fine summer-weight knickers, nicely tailored, without frippery or 
unnecessary details. 

Cheers,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

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>
> The fit of the knickers certainly isn't form-fitting - that would defeat 
> the purpose. We clarified the language - what we meant to say is that if 
> you wear padded shorts underneath these, you should definitely order one 
> size larger than you would for your normal pants.
>
> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles
> www.compasscycle.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Matthew J]

Was in NYC for a few days.  Returned and mine were in the vestibule.

Definitely light weight.  Appear well made.  Zippers are solid.  Belt and 
snap just a little hard to work - suggesting they will stand up to a lot of 
abuse.  Glad I ordered a size up per the Compass Rx. 

Tomorrow is supposed to be unseasonably warm in Chicago.  May just take 
them out for a spin.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Garth]

Ahahahaah !   "recovering" from what ? ! What you never had cannot 
be taken from you. 

Stating the Obvious . . . .  *Life IS a costume party* .  Everyone is 
wearing a costume so it does not matter what anyone is wearing no matter 
what they, you or I say about it .  HaH !  The bus driver is wearing his 
costume too , as am I , as are you , as are we all . 

  So the honest response to the bus driver is "Yes I am, and the costume 
party is right *here* ". 




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>
> I am still recovering my self confidence and rebuilding my self image, 
> several years after, in pure innocence, riding to the express bus stop in 
> wool knickers, long socks, knit jersey, wool cycling cap (with tasteful 
> chequered pattern), and antique Vittoria sheepskin lined cycling  ankle 
> boots -- and having the bus driver ask me if I were "going to a party." 
> Perhaps it was my retro-looking Rivendell fixie? Or the fact that the 
> Vittorias' toes were, alas, slightly upturned? (Really, they were.)
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Mike Schiller]

those numbers sound short.  I have been happily using the Zoic Reign 
knickers and an XL version ( 36" waist) measures about 20 1/2 inches.  They 
are from a local Co. here in Carlsbad but are sewn in China unfortunately.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 3:46:30 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> From blog post about the knickers.  I have a 30" men's jeans inseam and 
> the knicker numbers sound like a good length, not slightly over hemmed 
> pants :p.
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/compass-knickers/
> Inseams (approximate):
> 28″ size: 17.5″ inseam
> 30″ size: 18.25″ inseam
> 32 and 34 size: 18.50″ inseam
> -Barbara
> Compass Staff
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jan Heine]

I don't think any of the "domestic" knickers are quite so sophisticated in 
their cut, and quite as performance-oriented. It's like many of the 
mainstream "classic" bikes, which go for the look of a classic, but not 
necessarily get the performance right. 

The Compass knickers really are incredibly light, and they really do 
disappear when you ride. I rode 2/3 of PBP this year without them and 1/3 
with them, and there was no difference in speed or feel. I can't say that 
about other knickers, which often work remarkably well, but I am always 
aware that I am wearing them.

Or to put it another way, these are the only knickers I'd ever do hill 
intervals in. Not that you should do hill intervals, but basically, these 
are intended for riders who don't want to compromise performance, but who 
don't like the look of tight-fitting lycra.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 2:29:11 PM UTC+9, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I was wondering how Japanese knickers differ from the american ones like 
> swrve, chrome, betabrand, etc.  Umm yeah don't google "japanese knickers" 
> at work.  But Japanese cycling knickers didn't turn up anything either.
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:17:49 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
>> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
>> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
>> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
>> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
>> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles
>> www.compasscycle.com
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Daniel D.]

>From blog post about the knickers.  I have a 30" men's jeans inseam and the 
knicker numbers sound like a good length, not slightly over hemmed pants :p.
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/compass-knickers/
Inseams (approximate):
28″ size: 17.5″ inseam
30″ size: 18.25″ inseam
32 and 34 size: 18.50″ inseam
-Barbara
Compass Staff

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:23:48 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Jan, I love the idea of these kickers.  Is it possible to share some 
> inseam information?  I would love a pair, but I fear at 5'2" and  with 
> comparatively skinny calves, the following three things might happen:  1) 
> the articulated knees would fall midway down my shins, 2) my calves 
> wouldn't hold them up in the knicker position because overall they're too 
> long, and 3) when extended, the pant legs might drag under my heals because 
> the inseam is 32 or 34.  But if I knew that there was a length that was 
> equivalent to, say, a 28" or 30" inseam, then I'd be all over it!
>
> yours, Liesl (who has experienced all of the above issues with beautiful 
> knickers)
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 11:17:49 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> The fit of the knickers certainly isn't form-fitting - that would defeat 
>> the purpose. We clarified the language - what we meant to say is that if 
>> you wear padded shorts underneath these, you should definitely order one 
>> size larger than you would for your normal pants.
>>
>> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
>> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
>> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
>> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
>> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
>> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles
>> www.compasscycle.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jim D Massachusetts]

In the pictures you both look, dare I say, normal.  Not an elf to be seen 
anywhere. My mind is at rest.  Jim D.   
Massachusetts

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 2:11:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Jim, be assured Patrick of the Moore can clean up nicely (at least by my 
> fashion standards, which arguably may not exist). Grin.:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/20325920986/in/album-72157656815085416/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:44:58 AM UTC-6, Jim D Massachusetts 
> wrote:
>>
>>  Be assured however that the list values your experience no matter how 
>> you dress.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Liesl]

Jan, I love the idea of these kickers.  Is it possible to share some inseam 
information?  I would love a pair, but I fear at 5'2" and  with 
comparatively skinny calves, the following three things might happen:  1) 
the articulated knees would fall midway down my shins, 2) my calves 
wouldn't hold them up in the knicker position because overall they're too 
long, and 3) when extended, the pant legs might drag under my heals because 
the inseam is 32 or 34.  But if I knew that there was a length that was 
equivalent to, say, a 28" or 30" inseam, then I'd be all over it!

yours, Liesl (who has experienced all of the above issues with beautiful 
knickers)

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 11:17:49 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> The fit of the knickers certainly isn't form-fitting - that would defeat 
> the purpose. We clarified the language - what we meant to say is that if 
> you wear padded shorts underneath these, you should definitely order one 
> size larger than you would for your normal pants.
>
> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles
> www.compasscycle.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Deacon Patrick]

Jim, be assured Patrick of the Moore can clean up nicely (at least by my 
fashion standards, which arguably may not exist). Grin.:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/20325920986/in/album-72157656815085416/

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
>  Be assured however that the list values your experience no matter how you 
> dress.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jim D Massachusetts]

Patrick,   I am contemplating the image of you in that attire. I cannot 
imagine what I would think if I saw something like that out in the wild. I 
can understand why it would take you a bit, to restore your self image. Be 
assured however that the list values your experience no matter how you 
dress.Jim DMassachusetts

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>
> I am still recovering my self confidence and rebuilding my self image, 
> several years after, in pure innocence, riding to the express bus stop in 
> wool knickers, long socks, knit jersey, wool cycling cap (with tasteful 
> chequered pattern), and antique Vittoria sheepskin lined cycling  ankle 
> boots -- and having the bus driver ask me if I were "going to a party." 
> Perhaps it was my retro-looking Rivendell fixie? Or the fact that the 
> Vittorias' toes were, alas, slightly upturned? (Really, they were.)
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Lynne Fitz  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is all about the socks.
>> +1 for Ibex wool knickers and colorful tall socks.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Daniel D.]

I was wondering how Japanese knickers differ from the american ones like 
swrve, chrome, betabrand, etc.  Umm yeah don't google "japanese knickers" 
at work.  But Japanese cycling knickers didn't turn up anything either.
On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:17:49 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
>
>
> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles
> www.compasscycle.com
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jan Heine]

The fit of the knickers certainly isn't form-fitting - that would defeat 
the purpose. We clarified the language - what we meant to say is that if 
you wear padded shorts underneath these, you should definitely order one 
size larger than you would for your normal pants.

The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles
www.compasscycle.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Ron Mc]

my favorite socks are Falke Bristol (100% merino) with Falke Airport 
(blend) a close second.  Usually, knee socks don't last the whole day here 
- always gets warm enough to peel layers and change to shortie socks 
somewhere along the way.  

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> Yes, it is all about the socks.
> +1 for Ibex wool knickers and colorful tall socks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Patrick Moore]

I am still recovering my self confidence and rebuilding my self image,
several years after, in pure innocence, riding to the express bus stop in
wool knickers, long socks, knit jersey, wool cycling cap (with tasteful
chequered pattern), and antique Vittoria sheepskin lined cycling  ankle
boots -- and having the bus driver ask me if I were "going to a party."
Perhaps it was my retro-looking Rivendell fixie? Or the fact that the
Vittorias' toes were, alas, slightly upturned? (Really, they were.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

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Yes, it is all about the socks.
+1 for Ibex wool knickers and colorful tall socks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Dennis Hogan]

I followed a similar path and got a pair of "army" (not sure which army) 
wool pants at good 'ol Andy & Bax in Portland. Heavy duty wool and buttons 
- took them to a local seamstress and had them converted to knickers - all 
in they were about $55 - they are very good for the winter but a bit of 
overkill for the rest of the seasons.
Dennisin PDX

On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 1:10:14 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I like roominess and sizing up, too.
>
> Couldn't one buy some wool suit pants at Goodwill, cut them short and sew 
> elastic in the hemline?
>
> Get whatever size you need for roominess.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Eunice Chang]

I thought the whole purpose of knickers is so that you can show off your
shapely calves ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H awesome sock collection.

-E. (whose favorite is discontinued ibex wool knickers + stripey socks)

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've done almost that with Goodwill woolen dress pants, except that I had
> a pro sew them up for me. Cut some 8" below knee (I like plenty of space
> when I cinch them just under the knee; don't like them hanging loose); hem;
> attach velcro straps; and use excess to line front for additional wind
> protection. Velcro is very easy and secure and adjustable, and holds your
> socks up better.
>
> They are quite elegant, though since I've lost weight they are a wee bit
> loose in the waist. But one advantage of hi rize pants is that you can
> cinch them tight (sometimes a wide web belt with cam buckle works better
> than narrower and standard buckle) without great discomfort.
>
> For even greater elegance you can taper the bottom, or put in a gusset
> that folds inward nicely, a la the Bicycle Fixation knickers. But mine work
> just fine.
>
> I have to restrain myself from wearing argyle golf socks and a yellow
> sweater vest, but that would be simply too twee.
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> I like roominess and sizing up, too.
>>
>> Couldn't one buy some wool suit pants at Goodwill, cut them short and sew
>> elastic in the hemline?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Patrick Moore]

I've done almost that with Goodwill woolen dress pants, except that I had a
pro sew them up for me. Cut some 8" below knee (I like plenty of space when
I cinch them just under the knee; don't like them hanging loose); hem;
attach velcro straps; and use excess to line front for additional wind
protection. Velcro is very easy and secure and adjustable, and holds your
socks up better.

They are quite elegant, though since I've lost weight they are a wee bit
loose in the waist. But one advantage of hi rize pants is that you can
cinch them tight (sometimes a wide web belt with cam buckle works better
than narrower and standard buckle) without great discomfort.

For even greater elegance you can taper the bottom, or put in a gusset that
folds inward nicely, a la the Bicycle Fixation knickers. But mine work just
fine.

I have to restrain myself from wearing argyle golf socks and a yellow
sweater vest, but that would be simply too twee.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I like roominess and sizing up, too.
>
> Couldn't one buy some wool suit pants at Goodwill, cut them short and sew
> elastic in the hemline?
>
> Get whatever size you need for roominess.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Daniel D.]

Looks like riv knows their knicker audience judging by the many fans.  I 
dislike the roominess/bagginess and long length of the musa knickers.  The 
more I'm paying for clothes the more fitted/slim I expect them to be, to a 
point :p.  And knickers should not be "floods"

On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 1:10:14 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
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> I like roominess and sizing up, too.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Lungimsam]

I like roominess and sizing up, too.

Couldn't one buy some wool suit pants at Goodwill, cut them short and sew 
elastic in the hemline?

Get whatever size you need for roominess.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[cyclotourist]

Like LBJ
,
it sounds like many of us prefer a bit of roominess in our pants.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado <
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> Those are good looking Knickers but the max 36 waist puts me out of the
> market right off the bat and a bit pricey.I didn't see any on the Riv site..
> These fit me and my wallet better if I was to purchase.
>
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> http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/search/?&category=Mens+Pants&type=Knickers
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Those are good looking Knickers but the max 36 waist puts me out of the 
market right off the bat and a bit pricey.I didn't see any on the Riv site..
These fit me and my wallet better if I was to purchase.


http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/search/?&category=Mens+Pants&type=Knickers



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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Garth]

   These look fantastic !   Don't know about the "slim" fit though .  I 
prefer pants loose in the trunk area , no restrictions !  So I doubt these 
would fit the bill.  

For those , if any , that know of the now discontinued Ex Officio Amphi 
pants and shorts ,  the fit of these is sublime.  They are the roomiest of 
all, yet are not baggy at all , the key is the front pleats , which almost 
no one makes anymore except in dress pants. I wear the pants as knee-kers 
all the time , as they have a adjustable hem and just pull 'em up to the 
knees and they stay there.  The "new" Ex Officio Amphi pants and short bear 
no relation to the former ones , the "new" ones are just cookie cutter 
style like most pants.  

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Ron Mc]

they don't look that snug in the photos - and agree they look very sharp. 
 Another MUSA knicker fan here - in fact, donning mine for this morning's 
60-degree ride.  Deac, size wise, sounds like you and I may be in the same 
boat.  I bought some surplus Italian army knickers for cheap, claimed to be 
size 36 - wouldn't go past my knees.  They're here if someone with a 33 
waist wants to try them.  

On Saturday, October 3, 2015 at 6:49:45 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> I meant to also say those breeches look sharp! If someone tells me they'll 
> work with tree trunk thighs and have a deep waist, I'd love to consider 
> them.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Deacon Patrick]

I meant to also say those breeches look sharp! If someone tells me they'll 
work with tree trunk thighs and have a deep waist, I'd love to consider 
them.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Deacon Patrick]

The description says "They fit slim and are adjustable, so order a size up 
if unsure." For me, with a size 36 waist, that I take that to mean I'd 
likely be singling soprano if I squat in them (which I do many times a 
day). I like my baggy large MUSA breeches.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, October 3, 2015 at 4:19:55 PM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote:
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> I was thinking of getting a pair of the Compass Knickers. Anybody have any 
> experience with them?
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers/
>
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Julian]

Doug, 

Since they were only made available this week it's quite unlikely that 
anyone other than Jan Heine and perhaps a few of his "product testers" have 
any experience at all with them. 

Regards, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

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> experience with them?
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers/
>
> Doug
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