Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
True, but you can do that with indexed bar end and downtube shifters, too. On 4/10/19 10:23 PM, Teague Scott wrote: I think one of the beauties about friction is the ability to shift multiple cogs in one swift, quiet motion. This can be of huge benefit on the trail, but one needs to maintain momentum to do it. -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
I run friction on both my bikes - 3x9 and 1x11. I like being able to get things perfectly dialed so my drivetrain is silent. I know you can get that with an indexed system, but it's nice to know I never have to worry about it failing. Once you spend some time with friction you'll be able to shift cleanly every time. I think one of the beauties about friction is the ability to shift multiple cogs in one swift, quiet motion. This can be of huge benefit on the trail, but one needs to maintain momentum to do it. One of the keys to smooth friction shifting (especially in the direction of larger cogs) is letting a little pressure off the drivetrain. Grant's motto, or somebody's and something like it, is "off at 5, on at 12." This refers to one of your feet - your favorite. When it is at about 5 o'clock let off on its downward pressure, shift and then reapply pressure to the pedal once back at the 12 o'clock position. After a while, this process takes no thought at all. This trick along with muscle memory in the thumb will lead to smoother and smoother shifting over time. On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Have you tried adjusting cable tension? Usually, reluctance to shift to > higher gears indicates excessive cable tension. If that was the case, > you'd expect pretty snappy downshifting. On the other hand, > "semi-responsive" to downshift, "reluctant" to upshift sounds like the > whole thing is sluggish. Is there excessive friction in the cable run? > Gunk in the plastic cable guide doohickey under the bottom bracket? Crud > in the housing loop at the rear derailleur? Poorly finished housing ends > casing cable drag? > > > On 4/10/19 6:44 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: > > My demo Gus Boots came with XT 1x11 indexing. I am impressed so far with how > it shifts except for a few things: 1. though it shifts semi-responsively to > lower gears, shifting to higher gears is reluctant; 2. it requires coaxing to > get into the highest gear. I’m unsure how to solve that. With friction, it > would be easy, but I doubt an 11x and friction play well together and it may > not even be an option. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > -- > Steve Palincsar > Alexandria, Virginia > USA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Thank you, Eric, for that Park video link. I got my 11x dialed in, at least as far as a test ride up and down the block goes, and I now have all 11 gears and all 11 are behaving. I may actually have a handle on how to adjust this indexing insanity in the field now. Grin. Steve, you called it, too much tension. I let some out, and barrel adjusted to align the indexing, and hey! presto. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
His precise instructions to the cool production and editing touches, that Park Tools videos is very good all around! On Thursday, 11 April 2019 08:11:43 UTC-7, Eric Myers wrote: > > I've mostly ridden older bikes which came to me in good shape so I just > rode them as they came, after I cleaned them, replaced rubber parts and > sometimes cables/housing, and gave them a tuneup. In all this time I only > had one bike with indexed shifting (and a derailleur). It worked OK, but > tended to skip the occasional gear when shifting. This didn't bother me > that much for the type of riding I was doing, but it irked me. > Occasionally I flipped it to friction, but the shifters weren't as nice in > friction mode as some of the others I was used to. I did put silver > shifters on one bike, and they were definitely nicer than any of the other > friction shifters I had. But basically I felt like there were issues with > both index and friction, and I couldn't completely discount my mechanical > skills as part of the problem. > > When I got my Sam Hillborne frame, I decided to try for the "have my cake > and eat it too" option of the Shimano bar end shifters with index and > friction modes. The first try went OK, but after several months it started > skipping some gears. I figured this was possibly due to cables stretching, > plus I was using 8 spd shifters on a 7 spd rear wheel. But again, it was > more mildly irksome than actual bothersome. More recently, I put on a new > derailleur and new wheels with a 9 spd cassette, and originally figured I > was just going to swap friction. But that irked part of me spoke up and > wanted to try again with the 9 spd indexed shifters. So, that's what I've > done, but this time with more research. Park Tools has a really good video > with Calvin Jones walking through how to adjust a rear derailleur, > covering limit screws and indexing: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZxPIZ1ngY Following this video I got > the new setup shifting much more smoothly than any of my past indexing. > We'll see how long it lasts, and how easy it is to re-adjust down the > line. For now I'm pretty happy with it. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
I've mostly ridden older bikes which came to me in good shape so I just rode them as they came, after I cleaned them, replaced rubber parts and sometimes cables/housing, and gave them a tuneup. In all this time I only had one bike with indexed shifting (and a derailleur). It worked OK, but tended to skip the occasional gear when shifting. This didn't bother me that much for the type of riding I was doing, but it irked me. Occasionally I flipped it to friction, but the shifters weren't as nice in friction mode as some of the others I was used to. I did put silver shifters on one bike, and they were definitely nicer than any of the other friction shifters I had. But basically I felt like there were issues with both index and friction, and I couldn't completely discount my mechanical skills as part of the problem. When I got my Sam Hillborne frame, I decided to try for the "have my cake and eat it too" option of the Shimano bar end shifters with index and friction modes. The first try went OK, but after several months it started skipping some gears. I figured this was possibly due to cables stretching, plus I was using 8 spd shifters on a 7 spd rear wheel. But again, it was more mildly irksome than actual bothersome. More recently, I put on a new derailleur and new wheels with a 9 spd cassette, and originally figured I was just going to swap friction. But that irked part of me spoke up and wanted to try again with the 9 spd indexed shifters. So, that's what I've done, but this time with more research. Park Tools has a really good video with Calvin Jones walking through how to adjust a rear derailleur, covering limit screws and indexing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZxPIZ1ngY Following this video I got the new setup shifting much more smoothly than any of my past indexing. We'll see how long it lasts, and how easy it is to re-adjust down the line. For now I'm pretty happy with it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Shifting like everything . There's no going-getting-it "wrong" OR "right" There's just Going Riding along . Any shifts within the Ride are the very Identical Ride Itself. The Ride Riding(shifting) the Ride. Oh yes "what about me, the rider" ? Ahahaahahah The Ride is the Rider as the Rider is the Ride ! Inseparable ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
When I assembled my first Riv 2 years ago, I bought Microshift 9 speed shifters from HQ along with the frame and other parts. Mounted them on the inside of handlebar, so rear was friction and front was indexed. This shifter had no option to switch between. Ran this setup for a year with no issues. The whole setup was rock-solid. But, I have a bit of OCD tendencies. I would often double check (with gentle push) the rear shifter position. When Rivendell started carrying trigger shifters I bought the Deore version. It was super easy to setup. Been 4 around months. Works flawlessly with XT, Altus and Sora RD's. Unless it turns out unreliable (meaning if it breaks within 5 years or I have to open it before that for maintenance), I've decided to stay with it. On a road bike that I have converted to use Albatross bars, I have 10 speed friction shifter. This is because apparently there is no trigger shifter out there that's compatible with Campy Veloce 10 DR. On Tuesday, 9 April 2019 08:49:44 UTC-7, Friend wrote: > > I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame. I am planning on putting > noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters. I'm > wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. > Would love to hear any thoughts. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Have you tried adjusting cable tension? Usually, reluctance to shift to higher gears indicates excessive cable tension. If that was the case, you'd expect pretty snappy downshifting. On the other hand, "semi-responsive" to downshift, "reluctant" to upshift sounds like the whole thing is sluggish. Is there excessive friction in the cable run? Gunk in the plastic cable guide doohickey under the bottom bracket? Crud in the housing loop at the rear derailleur? Poorly finished housing ends casing cable drag? On 4/10/19 6:44 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: My demo Gus Boots came with XT 1x11 indexing. I am impressed so far with how it shifts except for a few things: 1. though it shifts semi-responsively to lower gears, shifting to higher gears is reluctant; 2. it requires coaxing to get into the highest gear. I’m unsure how to solve that. With friction, it would be easy, but I doubt an 11x and friction play well together and it may not even be an option. With abandon, Patrick -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
My demo Gus Boots came with XT 1x11 indexing. I am impressed so far with how it shifts except for a few things: 1. though it shifts semi-responsively to lower gears, shifting to higher gears is reluctant; 2. it requires coaxing to get into the highest gear. I’m unsure how to solve that. With friction, it would be easy, but I doubt an 11x and friction play well together and it may not even be an option. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Prior to a group ride last night I spoke with a an early arriving rider who not only made me feel alien for a steel frame but was amazed at the danger I courted for not having brifters. He felt bar end shifters were more dangerous than DT levers. I did not tell him they were friction. He asked if my bike was really that old or if I had it made that way. It was incomprehensible to him that all the "up to the moment" gear was not to everyone's preference. I started recalling a reader here or at iBOB who said a group ride considered banning non brifter bikes for being "unsafe". This ride included a not allowed by UCI TT bike with pronghorn bars. I did not see that gentleman after the start and rode the majority of the miles with a friend on a metallic framed bike. We gravitate to each other in groupings where buying power fails to equate riding skills. The latest hot set-up cannot overcome that. Riding my Rambouillet in friction mode didn't slow me down up the hills, down the hills or in tight groups. I like it that way and am hard pressed to pick a drivetrain for my project bike that is starting fabrication today in Brooklyn. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 1:41:24 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote: > > once set up, I like indexing marginally more than friction but ive > found that the freedom and ease of mixing and matching parts that friction > allows makes my life so much easier that it vastly outweighs any minor > benefits of indexing. I'd only friction shift up to 9 speed though, and > preferably 8. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
At a race my company promoted and operated BITD, a young rider hot out of triathlons in Texas named Lance was riding a mash-up of bar end shifter for the front derailleur and an STI lever for the rear. He preferred the infinite trim available to the friction bar end that the STI couldn't match. I agreed then. He had to comply with sponsors (Shimano) and run all STI the next year. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 3:42:31 PM UTC-4, S wrote: > > +1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that > can do both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
"I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want a machine to take it over for me!" As I get older I also find myself leaning more toward simple over complex. Complex can be wonderfully convenient until it fails, and I've had two indexing failures. My first shifter fail was 9-sp Campy Chorus brifters. I disassembled them to replace the worn G springs and to my shame, was unable to reassemble them, so had to take them to a bike shop (I'm stubborn about doing all my own wrenching, and this was before I was aware of youtube videos on everything). Also on that bike I was running Shimano freewheels so had to be overly clever in changing cog spacer widths (thanks Sheldon) to make the setup shift smoothly with Campy brifters. My next indexing failure was on a Shimano Bar-con, where the solution was simply to lift the D ring and rotate the barrel to 'friction'. I never gave indexing much thought after that, as it was a solution to a problem I didn't have. I guess indexing and electronic shifting have their place, but not for the kind of riding I do. Jack - Seattle On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:56:48 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote: > > I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling > with indexing setups. I like the idea of set and forget and I love the > idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift. My Jones has > 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction > on the Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise. > > I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without > the machine smashing. I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want > a machine to take it over for me! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
I think both have their place. The analogy I used is digital versus analogue audio. I love my turn table and records but by golly I love the precision and convenience of my digital setup too. I originally got into friction way back in the 60s then rediscovered it more recently when I got fed up with different standards for 9 speed 10 speed road, mountain shimano SRAM etc etc etc. I run the Bombadil 9 speed indexed with DA barcons on Thumbies in index mode because I Ride it off road some and quick shifting is essential. On the road there is usually time to reach for the downtube shifter and fine tune the shift. John On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:56 AM Dave Grossman wrote: > I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling > with indexing setups. I like the idea of set and forget and I love the > idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift. My Jones has > 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction > on the Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise. > > I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without > the machine smashing. I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want > a machine to take it over for me! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling with indexing setups. I like the idea of set and forget and I love the idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift. My Jones has 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction on the Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise. I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without the machine smashing. I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want a machine to take it over for me! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Indexing and STI require less thought from our minds and bodies, bringing us closer to the technological ideal of mind-lessness and thought-lessness that we seem to be striving for. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Friction for durability, flexibility and I know how to make them work. I never could get the hang of servicing indexed and I had two brifters go bad but never a bar end. Then, ‘will this work with that?” is really never an issue - swap wheels, cassettes, freewheels, chainrings etc with hardly a thought. I’ve heard plenty of noisy indexed drive trains and missed shifts. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
+2 for both indexed and friction. I have Microshift shifters on my Sam, they're friction on the front, switchable to friction or indexed on the rear. Strongly recommended. They call these "friction transferable" meaning you can switch between the modes. It requires an allen key, super easy even on the road. My chain broke a few weeks ago, had to reassemble it with about 8 missing links which screwed up indexing. Quick switch to friction mode got me home happily. https://www.performancebike.com/microshift-double-triple-9speed-bar-end-shifter-set-shimano-compatible-silver-bs-t09/p316886 On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 12:42:31 PM UTC-7, S wrote: > > +1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that > can do both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
+1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that can do both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
You are right, indexing might well be a better choice for rapidly changing terrain and conditions. My technique with friction in "emergency" situations -- deep sand patch, for example -- is to slam the right lever to the large cog (or at least to a bigger cogs several positions away) in order to maintain momentum, since this reduces the need to fine-tune the chain, and once stabilized, adjust the gear as needed. But if I were riding technical singletrack with a lot of this sort of shifting, I'd probably want indexing too. *And* indexing is a lot more precise and reliable now than in the 7 speed days; I could never get the chain to track perfectly smoothly on all 7 cogs either with XT thumbshifters or Dura Ace dt shifters. On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 11:04 AM Collin A wrote: > I have both friction and index. I've personally found friction to be great > for more gradually changing terrain that gives you some time to fine tune > the paddle placement before really cranking down on the pedals without > fully losing your momentum. However, when I am dealing with highly varied > terrain that changes very quickly (i.e. singletrack and poorly maintained > forest service roads), I've found that I am not good enough with friction > to get the shifts just right without the rear derailleur not being in the > right position and the chain consequently jumping around when I apply the > torque (or break, which only happened once!). As such, for my 2x9 speed > Clem I've moved to indexing in the rear as I've been on the trails more and > more. However, If I were to mostly stay on the road, I'd keep with friction > both front and rear. > > Hopefully my anecdote helps, and good luck with the build! > Collin A > > > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-7, Friend wrote: >> >> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame. I am planning on putting >> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters. I'm >> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and >> why. Would love to hear any thoughts. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- ** *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.* --- J.R.R. Tolkien --- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching Other professional writing services Expensive! But good. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
once set up, I like indexing marginally more than friction but ive found that the freedom and ease of mixing and matching parts that friction allows makes my life so much easier that it vastly outweighs any minor benefits of indexing. I'd only friction shift up to 9 speed though, and preferably 8. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Here they are! I think they're yours?, unless it's another friend. If so, you should really keep them. Paired with some Paul's thumbies and they're the greatest thumb shifters around. https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest_medium=email#!topic/internet-bob/_NkQDZXqVz4 -Kai On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote: > > There’s a set for sale over on the iBob list as we speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
There’s a set for sale over on the iBob list as we speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
A good shimano bar end should give you the option of index or friction. 9 speed has the option for sure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
I have both friction and index. I've personally found friction to be great for more gradually changing terrain that gives you some time to fine tune the paddle placement before really cranking down on the pedals without fully losing your momentum. However, when I am dealing with highly varied terrain that changes very quickly (i.e. singletrack and poorly maintained forest service roads), I've found that I am not good enough with friction to get the shifts just right without the rear derailleur not being in the right position and the chain consequently jumping around when I apply the torque (or break, which only happened once!). As such, for my 2x9 speed Clem I've moved to indexing in the rear as I've been on the trails more and more. However, If I were to mostly stay on the road, I'd keep with friction both front and rear. Hopefully my anecdote helps, and good luck with the build! Collin A On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-7, Friend wrote: > > I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame. I am planning on putting > noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters. I'm > wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. > Would love to hear any thoughts. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed
Indexing in rear, friction in front. I like the convenience of indexing. But not really needed in front and you can easily trim the front derailleur. On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-7, Friend wrote: > > I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame. I am planning on putting > noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters. I'm > wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. > Would love to hear any thoughts. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
