[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[dstein]

What is MAMIL?

I feel like most of those bikes in that picture are aluminum hybrid bikes 
which is the bulk of what I see on BART and the ferry. I assume most people 
just walk into a bike store and get whatever they can for $500-$1000 (after 
they realize they can't get a bike for $200, like I did 15 years ago when I 
first started riding and getting into bikes. But even with the crabon 
crowd, it is all pretty generic black. 

I love going up Tunnel road (my main climbing route) and getting comments 
like that on my bike though. Last week I got a 'good job' that was said in 
a way that the guy couldn't believe I was on such an old, vintage bike with 
bags and made it to the top. 

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[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[Surlyprof]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamil


On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 8:10:08 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/22633062849/in/dateposted-public/
>
> This image struck me the other day as I was about to get off the train 
> from my evening commute.  Every bike (aside from mine) was black with one 
> dark blue exception.  There is the occasional steel bike but it's mostly a 
> sea of carbon and aluminum.  Sam tends to stand out (proudly I might add). 
>  I do receive the occasional, "Nice bike" or "That's in great shape for 
> such an old bike" but mostly no one appears interested.  It's mostly a 
> crabon-riding, MAMIL crowd.  I am not the least bit self-conscious about 
> this because I know that, upon exiting the train, I will end my day with a 
> delightful meander down the Alameda water channel to the wife and dogs in 
> our little bungalow in Niles.  It's always such a great way to wind down at 
> the end of even the most stressful workday.  I always end up happy by the 
> time I arrive home.
>
> Anyone else deal with this sort of fish out of water situation with their 
> Riv or is it just me and my commute?  Just curious.
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[KC]

Easy.  Yours is the beautiful bike.  My husband and I are usually passed by 
racers, head down, as we also meander along enjoying the scenery.  
Sometimes he speeds up to show them he can keep up (probably really can't 
for too long, though, but who cares).  The only time I see bikes like mine 
are when I'm with my family. But.
when I rolled my bike into a bike shop in Oceanside to buy a part, the guy 
who helped me was thrilled to see his first Rivendell and spent a half hour 
talking bikes and bringing his bike out to show us, and
when I watched over my bike waiting for lunch in the seaport village area 
of San Diego someone walked up and asked if he could take a picture of my 
bike cuz he rarely sees Rivendells where he lives 

We have a relative planning to buy a bike.  Pretty sure leaning towards a 
(used) carbon road bike.  I think that would be consistent with what he 
sees around him (besides the beach cruisers).  We asked him how he likes to 
ride and every answer he gave said he should have something riv-like.  He 
is a very value-oriented, long-term-thinking, careful purchaser (buys good 
high-end cars, used).  I made him borrow my copy of Just Ride and hope it 
helps him make a decision that works for him. 

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 8:10:08 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:

>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/22633062849/in/dateposted-public/
>
> This image struck me the other day as I was about to get off the train 
> from my evening commute.  Every bike (aside from mine) was black with one 
> dark blue exception.  There is the occasional steel bike but it's mostly a 
> sea of carbon and aluminum.  Sam tends to stand out (proudly I might add). 
>  I do receive the occasional, "Nice bike" or "That's in great shape for 
> such an old bike" but mostly no one appears interested.  It's mostly a 
> crabon-riding, MAMIL crowd.  I am not the least bit self-conscious about 
> this because I know that, upon exiting the train, I will end my day with a 
> delightful meander down the Alameda water channel to the wife and dogs in 
> our little bungalow in Niles.  It's always such a great way to wind down at 
> the end of even the most stressful workday.  I always end up happy by the 
> time I arrive home.
>
> Anyone else deal with this sort of fish out of water situation with their 
> Riv or is it just me and my commute?  Just curious.
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:56:58 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:

> ...But even with the crabon crowd, it is all pretty generic black. 
>

Wait a minute! Generic black can be kinda awesome. I'm waiting on this:




I chose it because black bicycles can be classy & classic--eg, the Raleigh 
Sport 3-speed, and many basic transportation bicycles around the world. The 
color is also functional and easy to touch up with a rattle can. I love me 
a rainbow of bicycle hues, but let's not disparage basic black! (And 
really, that parking area looks like a healthy mix of hybrids, mt. bikes, 
and some skinny racer machines. I'm happy it's nice and full and attracting 
a wide cross-section of bicyclists who see the value of the bike as 
transportation! Plus if everyone had an orange or blue Riv, they would not 
be quite so special ;^)

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:56:58 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
*I love going up Tunnel road (my main climbing route) and getting comments 
like that on my bike though. Last week I got a 'good job' that was said in 
a way that the guy couldn't believe I was on such an old, vintage bike with 
bags and made it to the top. *

Yes, that can be fun! A few years ago, I rode from my home in Beacon to NYC 
to catch Grant P. speak at a local bike expo and buy a copy of his just 
released book, Just Ride. At some point I joined into 9W, a main 
thoroughfare of recreational and racing types, and by chance a small group 
of racers came up, one of whom I knew well from "back in the day." The pace 
picked up to workout speed and I stayed along, taking my turns at the 
front. When we finally got near the George Washington Bridge and slowed up, 
one of the guys looked my bike over and said "nice job keeping up on 
that."  I happened to be on a state of the art racing bike (circa 1974, but 
hey), a Ron Kitching in db 531 steel, kitted out with first gen Dura Ace, 
lots of drillium, 7 speeds with dt shifters, and a 52/47 front. But I also 
had 32mm skinwall Paselas, a rack, and a Baggins bag, plus I was riding in 
civvies. All of which, exactly as you described on your hill climb 
anecdote, was apparently such a disadvantage that I was to be commended for 
overcoming it! It's happened before and since, too, on various machines.








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[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[Daniel D.]

blacker the berry the sweeter the juice.

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[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[David Person]

I bought one of the new black and cream Sams this past May.  In the 
sunlight it has depth, not a plain jane black.  At the right angle it has a 
almost deep brown undertone, but definitely black.


David P.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[Eric Daume]

MAMIL = Middle Aged Men in Lycra.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, dstein  wrote:

> What is MAMIL?
>
> I feel like most of those bikes in that picture are aluminum hybrid bikes
> which is the bulk of what I see on BART and the ferry. I assume most people
> just walk into a bike store and get whatever they can for $500-$1000 (after
> they realize they can't get a bike for $200, like I did 15 years ago when I
> first started riding and getting into bikes. But even with the crabon
> crowd, it is all pretty generic black.
>
> I love going up Tunnel road (my main climbing route) and getting comments
> like that on my bike though. Last week I got a 'good job' that was said in
> a way that the guy couldn't believe I was on such an old, vintage bike with
> bags and made it to the top.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[davecstein]

That's Rivendell black, it's different and better ;)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 7:19 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:56:58 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>> 
>> ...But even with the crabon crowd, it is all pretty generic black.
> 
> Wait a minute! Generic black can be kinda awesome. I'm waiting on this:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I chose it because black bicycles can be classy & classic--eg, the Raleigh 
> Sport 3-speed, and many basic transportation bicycles around the world. The 
> color is also functional and easy to touch up with a rattle can. I love me a 
> rainbow of bicycle hues, but let's not disparage basic black! (And really, 
> that parking area looks like a healthy mix of hybrids, mt. bikes, and some 
> skinny racer machines. I'm happy it's nice and full and attracting a wide 
> cross-section of bicyclists who see the value of the bike as transportation! 
> Plus if everyone had an orange or blue Riv, they would not be quite so 
> special ;^)
> 
> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:56:58 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
> I love going up Tunnel road (my main climbing route) and getting comments 
> like that on my bike though. Last week I got a 'good job' that was said in a 
> way that the guy couldn't believe I was on such an old, vintage bike with 
> bags and made it to the top. 
> 
> Yes, that can be fun! A few years ago, I rode from my home in Beacon to NYC 
> to catch Grant P. speak at a local bike expo and buy a copy of his just 
> released book,  Just Ride. At some point I joined into 9W, a main 
> thoroughfare of recreational and racing types, and by chance a small group of 
> racers came up, one of whom I knew well from "back in the day." The pace 
> picked up to workout speed and I stayed along, taking my turns at the front. 
> When we finally got near the George Washington Bridge and slowed up, one of 
> the guys looked my bike over and said "nice job keeping up on that."  I 
> happened to be on a state of the art racing bike (circa 1974, but hey), a Ron 
> Kitching in db 531 steel, kitted out with first gen Dura Ace, lots of 
> drillium, 7 speeds with dt shifters, and a 52/47 front. But I also had 32mm 
> skinwall Paselas, a rack, and a Baggins bag, plus I was riding in civvies. 
> All of which, exactly as you described on your hill climb anecdote, was 
> apparently such a disadvantage that I was to be commended for overcoming it! 
> It's happened before and since, too, on various machines.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I won't deny it! But mainly 'cause it goes on such an awesome, 
well-designed frame. At least, that's what I'm hoping... Somewhat 
related--When 90s hybrids morphed into "comfort" bikes, they got a whole 
lotta ugly. Whereas the Clem(entine) lines are pleasing to the eye, and 
blow the industry "comfort" designs out of the water in both functionality 
and aesthetics, they are also no doubt the definition of comfort and hybrid 
(when that latter term is used to mean highly multi-functional, as opposed 
to a 'meh' mash-up compromise).

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> That's Rivendell black, it's different and better ;)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 16, 2015, at 7:19 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:56:58 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
>> ...But even with the crabon crowd, it is all pretty generic black. 
>>
>
> Wait a minute! Generic black can be kinda awesome. I'm waiting on this:
>
>
>
> 
>
> I chose it because black bicycles can be classy & classic--eg, the Raleigh 
> Sport 3-speed, and many basic transportation bicycles around the world. The 
> color is also functional and easy to touch up with a rattle can. I love me 
> a rainbow of bicycle hues, but let's not disparage basic black! (And 
> really, that parking area looks like a healthy mix of hybrids, mt. bikes, 
> and some skinny racer machines. I'm happy it's nice and full and attracting 
> a wide cross-section of bicyclists who see the value of the bike as 
> transportation! Plus if everyone had an orange or blue Riv, they would not 
> be quite so special ;^)
>
> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:56:58 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
> *I love going up Tunnel road (my main climbing route) and getting comments 
> like that on my bike though. Last week I got a 'good job' that was said in 
> a way that the guy couldn't believe I was on such an old, vintage bike with 
> bags and made it to the top. *
>
> Yes, that can be fun! A few years ago, I rode from my home in Beacon to 
> NYC to catch Grant P. speak at a local bike expo and buy a copy of his just 
> released book, Just Ride. At some point I joined into 9W, a main 
> thoroughfare of recreational and racing types, and by chance a small group 
> of racers came up, one of whom I knew well from "back in the day." The pace 
> picked up to workout speed and I stayed along, taking my turns at the 
> front. When we finally got near the George Washington Bridge and slowed up, 
> one of the guys looked my bike over and said "nice job keeping up on 
> that."  I happened to be on a state of the art racing bike (circa 1974, but 
> hey), a Ron Kitching in db 531 steel, kitted out with first gen Dura Ace, 
> lots of drillium, 7 speeds with dt shifters, and a 52/47 front. But I also 
> had 32mm skinwall Paselas, a rack, and a Baggins bag, plus I was riding in 
> civvies. All of which, exactly as you described on your hill climb 
> anecdote, was apparently such a disadvantage that I was to be commended for 
> overcoming it! It's happened before and since, too, on various machines.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 2:23:15 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
*Black doesn't have to be either "generic" or "basic."  This black is as 
classic as it gets:*

Very nice, Steve!  That's why I wrote: "*black bicycles can be classy & 
classic--eg, the Raleigh Sport 3-speed!" *Black *is* generic and basic, but 
on the right bike, Ooh la la! Dripping with class, like a black cocktail 
dress or a man's formal suit. Basic, sure. But beautiful. (Black is the new 
black. You read it here first.)

To wit:




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Re: [RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[David Stein]

Well of course *our* black bikes look good ;)  Especially those black Sams
I saw at Riv HQ the other day. Black and silver components is a really
classy look.

I think what I meant by 'generic' is that black sells, it sells really
well, and it becomes one of the few default bike colors by the big bike
companies. It's nice to see an orange Sam stick out among a sea of black.
Now only if I could apply this logic to my otherwise black and grey
wardrobe.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Around here (lower Hudson Valley, New York State) we don't see too many 
black bikes, other than the carbon ones, which usually have some kind of 
red or blue or what have you graphic. In fact, a small part of my decision 
not to go with the Clementine in orange (which, after all, makes 
sense--it's a CLEMENTINE!) despite Keven trying to entice me by reporting 
on the deeper richer orange, is because there is a Public mixte here in 
town that is fairly prominent, and it is very much that proto Clem orange. 
Whereas the only black bicycle around town that I know of is my Big Dummy, 
which, as my soccer dad vehicle, is as it should be. But we're not exactly 
Portland or California.

Anyway, I just like the Clementine in formal dress. And when Miesha voted 
my way, it was a done deal. 

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 3:54:46 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Well of course *our* black bikes look good ;)  Especially those black 
> Sams I saw at Riv HQ the other day. Black and silver components is a really 
> classy look. 
>
> I think what I meant by 'generic' is that black sells, it sells really 
> well, and it becomes one of the few default bike colors by the big bike 
> companies. It's nice to see an orange Sam stick out among a sea of black. 
> Now only if I could apply this logic to my otherwise black and grey 
> wardrobe.
>
>

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