[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Philip Kim]

yeah saw these, and that's what made me think of getting a rear rack for 
panniers. they look super convenient, just one big flap and secured by 
buckles!

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 6:53:39 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I have a Clementine, similar long stays. If you go panniers, and don't 
> need to take them off each day when you secure the bike at work, I highly 
> recommend the Sackville back o bike bags. I just got back from a grocery 
> run on a bike with zippered panniers and multi pockets, a less satisfying 
> experience getting stuff in and out than with the BOBBs.
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 11:55:46 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Ed  &  Jeremy, thanks for the pannier experience. Thats interesting that 
>> a pannier loaded on one side doesn't affect handling. It definitely makes 
>> it more versatile. I'll probably go the rear pannier route!
>>
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-5, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at 
>>> the riv site.
>>>
>>> For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped 
>>> to a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The 
>>> R14 probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
>>> Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
>>> reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
>>> vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
>>> those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
>>> lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.
>>>
>>> For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier 
>>> bars and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the 
>>> rack tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use 
>>> the rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
>>> would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
>>> fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
>>> the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.
>>>
>>> For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag (
>>> https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 
>>> mount. That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, 
>>> and a snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat 
>>> and doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
>>> super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
>>> that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
>>> rack.
>>>
>>> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
>>> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
>>> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
>>> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
>>> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
>>> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>>>
>>> --Ed
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:

 I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
 commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking 
 an 
 R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
 Nitto 32R and putting panniers.

 Pics requested! Please

>>>

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Ed Carolipio]

 

I took a few minutes after coming home today to snap photos of my commute 
setup on the Appaloosa and posted them on Google Drive. 

 Frame 
size is 51 cm so wheels are 650b. (For context, here's a link to my earlier 
post 
 
in this thread.)


A few notes:

   - On 1, the grey Ortlieb commuter bag tilts forward not to avoid heel 
   strike but due to the fit of the QL3.1 hardware on the 32R. (See 4)
   - On 2, don't let the red pannier fool you: that's mostly air and weighs 
   less than 5 lbs.
   - On 3, that's a shot of the back side of the Back Roller on the rear 
   rack. Note how the rack clamps are separated evenly so the pannier is 
   centered on the rack front-to-rear. Also, it's mounted on the lower rail.
   - On 4, that's a shot of the rear rack with the Ortlieb commuter bag 
   removed. The black triangle thing is the QL3.1 hardware that stays behind 
   on the bike. Because the 32R has such a generous opening and I wanted the 
   option of running a small saddlesack, I had to run one side of the triangle 
   parallel to the rear vertical stay on the rack, which tilts the bag forward.
   - On 6, I shot a closeup of the ... ahem ... metal sculpting I did to 
   make the deck bar for the front rack go under the front cantis. A Mark's 
   front rack would be a cleaner and sturdier install. (That's a future 
   upgrade for me.)
   - On 7, that's the underside of the front bag/basket to show how many 
   tie wraps I used to secure the two together
   

--Ed

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>
> Pics requested! Please
>

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a Clementine, similar long stays. If you go panniers, and don't need 
to take them off each day when you secure the bike at work, I highly 
recommend the Sackville back o bike bags. I just got back from a grocery 
run on a bike with zippered panniers and multi pockets, a less satisfying 
experience getting stuff in and out than with the BOBBs.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 11:55:46 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Ed  &  Jeremy, thanks for the pannier experience. Thats interesting that a 
> pannier loaded on one side doesn't affect handling. It definitely makes it 
> more versatile. I'll probably go the rear pannier route!
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-5, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at the 
>> riv site.
>>
>> For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped 
>> to a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The 
>> R14 probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
>> Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
>> reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
>> vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
>> those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
>> lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.
>>
>> For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier 
>> bars and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the 
>> rack tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use 
>> the rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
>> would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
>> fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
>> the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.
>>
>> For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag (
>> https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 
>> mount. That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, 
>> and a snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat 
>> and doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
>> super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
>> that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
>> rack.
>>
>> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
>> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
>> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
>> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
>> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
>> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>>
>> --Ed
>>
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
>>> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
>>> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
>>> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>>>
>>> Pics requested! Please
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Philip Kim]

Ed  &  Jeremy, thanks for the pannier experience. Thats interesting that a 
pannier loaded on one side doesn't affect handling. It definitely makes it 
more versatile. I'll probably go the rear pannier route!

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-5, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at the 
> riv site.
>
> For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped 
> to a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The 
> R14 probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
> Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
> reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
> vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
> those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
> lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.
>
> For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier 
> bars and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the 
> rack tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use 
> the rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
> would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
> fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
> the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.
>
> For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag (
> https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 mount. 
> That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, and a 
> snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat and 
> doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
> super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
> that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
> rack.
>
> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>
> --Ed
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
>> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
>> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
>> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>>
>> Pics requested! Please
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 6:59:31 PM UTC-8, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>
> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>

I used to commute with a Clem with one heavy pannier (Arkel shopping bag 
pannier) in the rear, and like you, I never noticed any significant effect 
on handling. That was really sweet. And, of course, with those long 
chainstays, it's really easy to mount rear bags. I've since switched the 
commute to a lighter (and more importantly, shorter wheelbase) frame/bike 
with a front basket carrying all my gear, and while I don't like the 
handling effects of weight up front like that, I do like having my stuff in 
the front for visibility and ease of access. Regarding front bags for the 
Wald basket, I've been swapping back and forth between a Swift sugarloaf 
bag in waxed canvas, which I love, and a Reload custom-color basket bag, 
which holds more and costs less, but is covered in velcro which doesn't mix 
well with wool clothing. The sugarloaf is a fantastic option for those of 
us with VERY small laptops.

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Ed Carolipio]

Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at the 
riv site.

For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped to 
a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The R14 
probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.

For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier bars 
and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the rack 
tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use the 
rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.

For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag 
(https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 mount. 
That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, and a 
snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat and 
doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
rack.

One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
hooks to get the bag to work right.

--Ed

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>
> Pics requested! Please
>

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