[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Of course for the serious fenderscenti, it's a big faux pas to run them without 
the proper mud flaps installed...

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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

[Ron Mc]

Here's one choice - my buddy's '85 Merc with aggressive road geometry 
barely fits 23mm tires


He has the Portland Design Works fenders and he needed them on this 
morning, riding in a steady mist

Another friend's '85 Merc, very different frame geometry (note the trail), 
a bit bigger tires and wooden fenders

  


  

My '74 Raleigh with Honjos and 32mm tires


Here we sometimes get out in the wet because it's time to get out - more 
often ride in the sun after a monsoon rain clears out and leaves broken 
puddles.  

Everyone should have at least one fender bike to have the option.  

As far as match goes, white plastic Bluemels have their perfect match.  






This one has the optional Race Blades, using a PDW Origami front splash 
guard on the seat tube to make it near-enough full coverage




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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

[Bill Schairer]

I have commuted many miles in dry (usually!) San Diego because we have lots of 
sand and I have found fenders help keep the chain cleaner.

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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

[Bill Lindsay]

Roberta

You've received several very good viewpoints on fenders themselves.  The 
perspective you have not received yet is that your fender thoughts probably 
should include and maybe should begin with the bicycle itself.  Some bikes 
take fenders really well.  Some bikes were designed from the beginning to 
have fenders.  Others were designed with fenders as an afterthought, while 
still more were designed with no thought whatsoever about fenders.  So we 
can talk about the abstract concept of fenders, or we can focus on the 
particular task at hand, choosing whether or not to fender a particular 
machine, and what the best choices may be for that machine.  

For me, when deciding whether or not to fender it all starts with 
clearances: 1. around the fork crown and front brake, 2. at the 
BB/chainstay area. 3. At the rear brake and seatstays.  
After confirming clearances, we assess attachment points.  Equidistance 
bridges?  Or spacers?  Will we have to drill anywhere?  L-brackets or 
darumas or direct connections?  
Then we decide on material: plastic, aluminum, steel
Then color

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:14:06 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> I've seen a lot of posts about fenders recently, and I have lots of 
> questions about them.  I've never known about fenders until about two years 
> ago when I learned about Rivendell, joined this board, and bought my 
> SKS-fendered Joe A., my first bike with fenders.  I don't ride in the rain, 
> but I have to admit that I like the idea of nothing wet, dry, or 
> dusty spraying up on me is appealing.  Or, does one not really need them if 
> only riding in dry weather?
>
> Color--how do you choose a color?  I thought black would be inconspicuous, 
> but I like the look of the silver fenders.  I saw a post the other day 
> where the fenders matched the bike.  Very nice!  Or, is no fenders better?
>
> Material--I understand that plastic fenders are safer than other materials 
> because you can install a safety tab.  The other fender materials don't 
> have this option, as I understand, and one might go over the handlebars in 
> case of foreign object between tire and fender. 
>
> Which bike/types of bikes do you decide to fender or not?  Riding 
> conditions?  Does length of ride or speed have any bearing?  Is it just 
> esthetics? 
>
> What other options you take into consideration? 
>
> I'm asking this as a general question, although I have a Champaign-colored 
> step thru that I think would look great with hammered Honjo fenders--to me 
> and to thieves!  For now, it will remain a non-fendered bike.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

[REC (Roberta)]

This is a fun and interesting thread for me.  Thank you, everyone.  

Justin, thanks for the tip on safety tabs for aluminum fenders.   Mark, oh 
that chartreuse color is gorgeous!   To me, many of the fendered bike pics 
here are analogous to wearing nice braces with a suit, bringing the 
"outfit" to the next level.

Roberta




Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 2:53:30 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Roberta
>
> You've received several very good viewpoints on fenders themselves.  The 
> perspective you have not received yet is that your fender thoughts probably 
> should include and maybe should begin with the bicycle itself.  Some bikes 
> take fenders really well.  Some bikes were designed from the beginning to 
> have fenders.  Others were designed with fenders as an afterthought, while 
> still more were designed with no thought whatsoever about fenders.  So we 
> can talk about the abstract concept of fenders, or we can focus on the 
> particular task at hand, choosing whether or not to fender a particular 
> machine, and what the best choices may be for that machine.  
>
> For me, when deciding whether or not to fender it all starts with 
> clearances: 1. around the fork crown and front brake, 2. at the 
> BB/chainstay area. 3. At the rear brake and seatstays.  
> After confirming clearances, we assess attachment points.  Equidistance 
> bridges?  Or spacers?  Will we have to drill anywhere?  L-brackets or 
> darumas or direct connections?  
> Then we decide on material: plastic, aluminum, steel
> Then color
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:14:06 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> I've seen a lot of posts about fenders recently, and I have lots of 
>> questions about them.  I've never known about fenders until about two years 
>> ago when I learned about Rivendell, joined this board, and bought my 
>> SKS-fendered Joe A., my first bike with fenders.  I don't ride in the rain, 
>> but I have to admit that I like the idea of nothing wet, dry, or 
>> dusty spraying up on me is appealing.  Or, does one not really need them if 
>> only riding in dry weather?
>>
>> Color--how do you choose a color?  I thought black would be 
>> inconspicuous, but I like the look of the silver fenders.  I saw a post the 
>> other day where the fenders matched the bike.  Very nice!  Or, is no 
>> fenders better?
>>
>> Material--I understand that plastic fenders are safer than other 
>> materials because you can install a safety tab.  The other fender materials 
>> don't have this option, as I understand, and one might go over the 
>> handlebars in case of foreign object between tire and fender. 
>>
>> Which bike/types of bikes do you decide to fender or not?  Riding 
>> conditions?  Does length of ride or speed have any bearing?  Is it just 
>> esthetics? 
>>
>> What other options you take into consideration? 
>>
>> I'm asking this as a general question, although I have a 
>> Champaign-colored step thru that I think would look great with hammered 
>> Honjo fenders--to me and to thieves!  For now, it will remain a 
>> non-fendered bike.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill is more of an engineer than I am, and more meticulous with his builds. I 
definitely know what color my fenders need to be first, then I figure out the 
rest! But on this list most bikes are capable of taking fenders of some sort or 
another, without resorting to kludges.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

[Patrick Moore]

I once weighed Honjo, Berthoud stainless, and some plastic fender pairs and
found that the Honjos weighed 1 lb, the Berthouds 1.5 lb, and the plastics
2 lb. Size in all cases more or less 559 X 45-50; weights included all
hardware. OTOH, I more recently weighed the admittedly truncated PB
Cascadia 700X X 65 pair (rear cut short so it didn't need struts): 1 lb.
FWIW.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:10 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:


> ... Stainless is probably the toughest, but they're heavy.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

[Joe Bernard]

The instructions with my Woody's said put some car wax on 'em once a year. 

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