Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Deacon Patrick]

Is this what you're looking 
for: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14184178072/

That photo and quite a few to the right show the front and read fenders on 
the Hunqapillar. I ended up taking them off because I prefer no fenders 
with knobbies.

With abandon,
Patrick, the diaconal one.

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:07:36 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Can diaconal Patrick or someone else point me to this pic link?
>
> Patrick [ie, the non-diaconal one] Moore who is wondering about Compass 
> 559X38s for at least one of his 26" Rivendell customs.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Humphapillar  > wrote:
>
> Patrick [ie, the diaconal one] posted something w/ pics [ie, of flat or 
>> partial fenders] awhile back about his shorties.
>>  
>>
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> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
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> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[ted]

Like you I think this is what Stonehog meant. If it is, then his issue is 
not that he wants fatter tires than will fit on his 700c Hilsen. It is that 
he prefers 650b over 700c for "wide" tires. So it's not that 42 is so much 
nicer than 38, its that 650b is much nicer than 700c (for him of course, Im 
not trying to make any sort of absolute global whats better than what sort 
of claim re wheel size).


On Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:58:20 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>
> He was comparing his 700c bike w/ 38's to his 650b bike w/ 42's as many 
> have suggested he just try 38 Compass tires (which he states he already 
> did). 
>  
>
> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:36:52 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
>> Stonehog, just to clarify, are you saying you feel a difference between 
>> 38 and 42 650b tires, or are you comparing 38 700c tires to 42 650b? Was 
>> the comparison done with a single bike?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Patrick Moore]

Can diaconal Patrick or someone else point me to this pic link?

Patrick [ie, the non-diaconal one] Moore who is wondering about Compass
559X38s for at least one of his 26" Rivendell customs.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Humphapillar 
wrote:

Patrick [ie, the diaconal one] posted something w/ pics [ie, of flat or
> partial fenders] awhile back about his shorties.
>
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  * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
"Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[EGNolan]

He was comparing his 700c bike w/ 38's to his 650b bike w/ 42's as many 
have suggested he just try 38 Compass tires (which he states he already 
did). 
 

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:36:52 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:

> Stonehog, just to clarify, are you saying you feel a difference between 38 
> and 42 650b tires, or are you comparing 38 700c tires to 42 650b? Was the 
> comparison done with a single bike?

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[RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Humphapillar]

Maybe take the fenders off, put on the 42mm's, and buy a lightweight 
wetsuit?

Or change to flat fenders?

I asked Cody at Woody's Fenders to make me some front & back custom flat 
chopped short fenders with stays, so I could run whatever size tires I 
wanted on my Hunqapillar. I plagiarized the idea from Deacon Patrick whose 
fenders are much prettier than mine.

These flat fenders don't reach through the fork.

Patrick posted something w/ pics awhile back about his shorties.
 
I also wanted to have more clearance for coping with sticks, since I know 
someone who was paralyzed from the neck down after going head over 
handlebars, so this killed two birds with one stone.

I think you would regret selling that beautiful Homer.

John  

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:45:06 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I have lately been coming to the conclusion that I want to standardize on 
> a wheel tire combo that sadly doesn't work with my 59cm 700c Homer.  I have 
> been riding Hetre ELs all summer on my rando bike (Toussaint) that is a 
> near sizing copy of my Homer, but is low trail and 650b.  Now both bikes 
> are nice, but the Homer is lighter, prettier, and my first love.  On my 
> ride home tonight on the 33s, however, I really felt the difference in 
> comfort compared to the plush 42s.  I've also been riding the Hetres 
> tubeless (PL23 rims) and love the flat protection and even lower pressures 
> that feel right with these wheels (25 front, 35 rear).  
>
> Ideally, I would just do a 650b conversion on Homer, and life would be 
> grand.  That or find someone who wants 700c willing to trade a 58-60 
> Homer/Saluki for my copper beaut?  That seems a bit far-fetched, however.  
> I found an old thread on "large 650b Homers", but didn't see any info on 
> conversions.  I would have to give up the Paul brakes and go with longer 
> reach Silvers, but that's not really a problem for me.  Has anyone else had 
> this revelation?  What was the result?
>
> BTW - pics of the two bikes -  the side shots shows the similar crank 
> height against the door: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjYpKpfL
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> Bike Blog 
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[ted]

Stonehog, just to clarify, are you saying you feel a difference between 38 and 
42 650b tires, or are you comparing 38 700c tires to 42 650b? Was the 
comparison done with a single bike?

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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[stonehog]

I put the Barlow's on when they came out and rode it for a few weeks.  I 
had VO Zeppelins and there were two issues.  Lots of toe overlap, and it 
felt "big" to me.  In a ponderous way, I guess.  It was much less nice than 
the Cypres tires I was used to, and the overlap was annoying so it killed 
it for me.  I sold 'em.  Pics: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjV5G7RQ

Tim - good info on the conversion - I appreciate the detailed response!  I 
have heard that it can be rough, and when it comes to brakes, I don't want 
to go to a less than good situation.  

As for the 38s being like the 42s.  Nope - I can really feel the 
difference.  Don't know if its the smaller wheels - I also love the 26" 
compass tires - fast and plush - also 40+mm.  

Bill - I'll be chatting with you shortly...

Brian

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:16:33 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> By way of counterpoint,
> Based on my recent experience going from 32s to 40+ on my AHH, I doubt I 
> would feel much of a difference between 38 and 42. I'm not trying to say 
> anybody who feels they have to have 42s is wrong, but for me I doubt it 
> warrants he fuss. I expect some other folks might find the same if they did 
> the experiment themselves.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[ted]

By way of counterpoint,
Based on my recent experience going from 32s to 40+ on my AHH, I doubt I would 
feel much of a difference between 38 and 42. I'm not trying to say anybody who 
feels they have to have 42s is wrong, but for me I doubt it warrants he fuss. I 
expect some other folks might find the same if they did the experiment 
themselves.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Chris Chen]

I just bought the 58cm that was on the list recently and I'm waiting for it
to arrive. With the 57 Hilsen still in for repairs, I've been wondering
what name to give it.

Figure I'll just call the 58 Saluki

And maybe I'll call the 57 Heinz Homer Hilsen, or maybe Pat Robertson's 700
Club

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:26 PM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got Hetres and Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders on my 56 cm Homer 650B.
> Reasonable space to me.
> David
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>
> A 650B Saluki (60cm) fits 42's w/ fenders... SKS cromoplasts most recently.
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:09 PM, James Warren 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't recall there being published anywhere whether there are clearance
>> differences between the 700C Hilsen and the 650B Hilsen. It would be an
>> interesting comparison. If they are the same, then a bike trade to 650B
>> won't solve Brian's problem.
>>
>> But I, like others, am curious about whether the 700x38 Barlow Pass would
>> be a good enough substitute for a Hetre on a Hilsen. I'm pretty sure that
>> size (38) is fenderable on the Hilsen of any wheel size. I really like the
>> Barlow Pass a lot, and would see it as ideal for a Hilsen, but since I have
>> never dwelt in the Hetre paradise (of which so many speak), I won't presume
>> that a rider who knows the Hetre experience wouldn't feel there is some
>> tradeoff when using another tire.
>>
>> -Jim W.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Mike Schiller 
>> >Sent: Oct 8, 2014 3:13 PM
>> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s
>> >
>> >The difference between 38 and 42 mm tires?  About 16% more volume, which
>> feels like quite a bit to me.  Does a 650B Hilsen fit a hetre and fender
>> with much well?  I thought it was tight?
>> >
>> >~mike
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[David Hays]

I've got Hetres and Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders on my 56 cm Homer 650B. 
Reasonable space to me.
David 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
> 
> A 650B Saluki (60cm) fits 42's w/ fenders... SKS cromoplasts most recently.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:09 PM, James Warren  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't recall there being published anywhere whether there are clearance 
>> differences between the 700C Hilsen and the 650B Hilsen. It would be an 
>> interesting comparison. If they are the same, then a bike trade to 650B 
>> won't solve Brian's problem.
>> 
>> But I, like others, am curious about whether the 700x38 Barlow Pass would be 
>> a good enough substitute for a Hetre on a Hilsen. I'm pretty sure that size 
>> (38) is fenderable on the Hilsen of any wheel size. I really like the Barlow 
>> Pass a lot, and would see it as ideal for a Hilsen, but since I have never 
>> dwelt in the Hetre paradise (of which so many speak), I won't presume that a 
>> rider who knows the Hetre experience wouldn't feel there is some tradeoff 
>> when using another tire.
>> 
>> -Jim W.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Mike Schiller 
>> >Sent: Oct 8, 2014 3:13 PM
>> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s
>> >
>> >The difference between 38 and 42 mm tires?  About 16% more volume, which 
>> >feels like quite a bit to me.  Does a 650B Hilsen fit a hetre and fender 
>> >with much well?  I thought it was tight?
>> >
>> >~mike
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Tony DeFilippo]

A 650B Saluki (60cm) fits 42's w/ fenders... SKS cromoplasts most recently.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:09 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> I don't recall there being published anywhere whether there are clearance
> differences between the 700C Hilsen and the 650B Hilsen. It would be an
> interesting comparison. If they are the same, then a bike trade to 650B
> won't solve Brian's problem.
>
> But I, like others, am curious about whether the 700x38 Barlow Pass would
> be a good enough substitute for a Hetre on a Hilsen. I'm pretty sure that
> size (38) is fenderable on the Hilsen of any wheel size. I really like the
> Barlow Pass a lot, and would see it as ideal for a Hilsen, but since I have
> never dwelt in the Hetre paradise (of which so many speak), I won't presume
> that a rider who knows the Hetre experience wouldn't feel there is some
> tradeoff when using another tire.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Mike Schiller 
> >Sent: Oct 8, 2014 3:13 PM
> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s
> >
> >The difference between 38 and 42 mm tires?  About 16% more volume, which
> feels like quite a bit to me.  Does a 650B Hilsen fit a hetre and fender
> with much well?  I thought it was tight?
> >
> >~mike
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[James Warren]

I don't recall there being published anywhere whether there are clearance 
differences between the 700C Hilsen and the 650B Hilsen. It would be an 
interesting comparison. If they are the same, then a bike trade to 650B won't 
solve Brian's problem.

But I, like others, am curious about whether the 700x38 Barlow Pass would be a 
good enough substitute for a Hetre on a Hilsen. I'm pretty sure that size (38) 
is fenderable on the Hilsen of any wheel size. I really like the Barlow Pass a 
lot, and would see it as ideal for a Hilsen, but since I have never dwelt in 
the Hetre paradise (of which so many speak), I won't presume that a rider who 
knows the Hetre experience wouldn't feel there is some tradeoff when using 
another tire.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
>From: Mike Schiller 
>Sent: Oct 8, 2014 3:13 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s
>
>The difference between 38 and 42 mm tires?  About 16% more volume, which feels 
>like quite a bit to me.  Does a 650B Hilsen fit a hetre and fender with much 
>well?  I thought it was tight?
>
>~mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Mike Schiller]

The difference between 38 and 42 mm tires?  About 16% more volume, which feels 
like quite a bit to me.  Does a 650B Hilsen fit a hetre and fender with much 
well?  I thought it was tight?

~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Jim Bronson]

I see the BB drop on a 59cm AHH is 80mm.  I would say that an 80mm
drop is pretty low from my experience with such a 650b conversion, but
not so much so that I want to go back to 700c.  I have dragged the
pedals a few more times, but I just chalk it off to needing to
remember to not pedal through sharp corners.

Of course, I can only get in 38s and if the inner chainstays are like
my custom, e.g. without the indentation for the larger tiers, it's
likely the AHH can only take 38s as well.

Is there really that much difference between a 38 and a 42?  My custom
is my first love as well, I wouldn't trade it off just because it
won't take a 42.

although...

Thinking about getting it repainted and as part of that process having
the inner chainstays widened enough to take a 42 and 50mm Honjos.  ;)

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Brian
>
> I PM'd you to talk about a trade concept.
>
> Out here in public I'll report that I have run short reach brakes and
> 700xskinny wheels on my 650B Hilsen, which was kind of fun.  You might be
> able to convert in the other direction, but you'd be pedal-dragging low to
> the ground and would need crazy long reach calipers.  It's possible, but
> probably not ideal.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:45:06 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I have lately been coming to the conclusion that I want to standardize on
>> a wheel tire combo that sadly doesn't work with my 59cm 700c Homer.  I have
>> been riding Hetre ELs all summer on my rando bike (Toussaint) that is a near
>> sizing copy of my Homer, but is low trail and 650b.  Now both bikes are
>> nice, but the Homer is lighter, prettier, and my first love.  On my ride
>> home tonight on the 33s, however, I really felt the difference in comfort
>> compared to the plush 42s.  I've also been riding the Hetres tubeless (PL23
>> rims) and love the flat protection and even lower pressures that feel right
>> with these wheels (25 front, 35 rear).
>>
>> Ideally, I would just do a 650b conversion on Homer, and life would be
>> grand.  That or find someone who wants 700c willing to trade a 58-60
>> Homer/Saluki for my copper beaut?  That seems a bit far-fetched, however.  I
>> found an old thread on "large 650b Homers", but didn't see any info on
>> conversions.  I would have to give up the Paul brakes and go with longer
>> reach Silvers, but that's not really a problem for me.  Has anyone else had
>> this revelation?  What was the result?
>>
>> BTW - pics of the two bikes -  the side shots shows the similar crank
>> height against the door: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjYpKpfL
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>> Bike Blog
>
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[RBW] Re: I love 42s

[Bill Lindsay]

Brian

I PM'd you to talk about a trade concept.  

Out here in public I'll report that I have run short reach brakes and 
700xskinny wheels on my 650B Hilsen, which was kind of fun.  You might be 
able to convert in the other direction, but you'd be pedal-dragging low to 
the ground and would need crazy long reach calipers.  It's possible, but 
probably not ideal.  

Bill

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:45:06 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I have lately been coming to the conclusion that I want to standardize on 
> a wheel tire combo that sadly doesn't work with my 59cm 700c Homer.  I have 
> been riding Hetre ELs all summer on my rando bike (Toussaint) that is a 
> near sizing copy of my Homer, but is low trail and 650b.  Now both bikes 
> are nice, but the Homer is lighter, prettier, and my first love.  On my 
> ride home tonight on the 33s, however, I really felt the difference in 
> comfort compared to the plush 42s.  I've also been riding the Hetres 
> tubeless (PL23 rims) and love the flat protection and even lower pressures 
> that feel right with these wheels (25 front, 35 rear).  
>
> Ideally, I would just do a 650b conversion on Homer, and life would be 
> grand.  That or find someone who wants 700c willing to trade a 58-60 
> Homer/Saluki for my copper beaut?  That seems a bit far-fetched, however.  
> I found an old thread on "large 650b Homers", but didn't see any info on 
> conversions.  I would have to give up the Paul brakes and go with longer 
> reach Silvers, but that's not really a problem for me.  Has anyone else had 
> this revelation?  What was the result?
>
> BTW - pics of the two bikes -  the side shots shows the similar crank 
> height against the door: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjYpKpfL
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> Bike Blog 
>  

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