[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi! To answer your second question, no you cannot make an 80s bike into a 
Rivendell. I have an 80s Mountain Bike and an Appaloosa. The Appaloosa is 
great, and it fits me a lot better than the 80s mountain bike. The 80s 
mountain bike is 80% of a Rivendell, but it's that diminishing return, that 
difference that makes it a Rivendell. I commute on the Appaloosa and yes, 
it is overkill. It's heavy (Rivendell is the only bike company that doesn't 
publish what their frames weigh, AFAIK) and I'm slow but I like it anyway. 
Please consider what bike will fit you best. I wanted a 29er 80s mountain 
bike, and that is essentially what the Appaloosa is. I bought mine in 2016. 
Since then, there are a lot more options for "gravel" bikes and bikes that 
are similar to the Appaloosa. 

If you've got the money, go for it. If you're in NYC I'll let you take my 
Appaloosa for a ride to test it. 

M


On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 11:44:35 AM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Ryan]

I know this has come up before regarding Rivs (or other artisinal bikes) 
and commuting butif you really want that Atlantis AND you can keep it 
secure during the workday go for it...or can you justify an n+1 and keep 
the Schwinn for commuting/errands...or can you live with/plan for 
(insurance rider) that said Atlantis could be stolen?

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 11:06:42 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> @Hoch -- A 3 mile "commute"?  That's what I've got and I might ride three 
> different bikes in a given week.. it's more about fenders and lights when 
> needed than the riding experience. What "riding experience?" As soon as it 
> starts, it's over, I don't even get warm on a cold day until I'm mostly 
> there. So literally any functioning bike will work, and a Homer is as much 
> overkill as an Atlantis would be.
>
> None of this is an indictment of using whatever bike one enjoys.
>
> @Brian T
> >> However, the current version of the Atlantis does not hold the same 
> appeal to me as those classic Rivs did. 
>
> What is an Atlantis? The modern version is  much closer to the Appaloosa 
> than it is to the original Atlantis. 
> I'm leery of meter-long chain stays, so I'd go the used route here, too. 
> But I have no actual experience to back it up. 
>
> However: if it's gonna be an Atlantis, I think we can all agree that it 
> MUST be Atlantis green. Accept no substitutes.
>
> I can't quote it but I believe that Grant has said at various times that 
> there's always going to be an Atlantis, and that it's always going to be 
> made in the U.S. -- and then things changed, and Waterford closed its 
> doors, and something had to give. Which is why we have the oddity of 
> Appaloosa and Atlantis being produced side-by-side in Taiwan.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 10:38:04 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Mostly everyone is responding with their  heart, which is expected. 
>>
>> Atlantis is a touring bike. Heavy duty frame, large tire clearance. 
>> Exceptional bike. I had two Hunqapillars, which I see as equivalent to the 
>> Atlantis. For touring and/or slower long distance rides, I’d say go for it. 
>>
>> For a 4 mile commute? Stick with your bike. I don’t know what the other 
>> person was talking about. There are plenty of parts to upgrade a vintage 
>> bike. Or if you really want a Riv, get. Homer, Sam, or another lighter duty 
>> bike meant for commuting. I think you’d enjoy it more. 
>>
>> I have a similar 3 mile commute. I rode my Hunq for a few months but 
>> eventually built up an old Fuji road bike. Then happened upon a Clem for a 
>> good deal which I rode for a few months. But as much as I wanted to ride it 
>> for the commutes, it was just too much bike. The old Fuji was better. 
>>
>> My current commuter is an unknown vintage MTB frame with 26x1.75 slicks. 
>> I honestly don’t miss my Riv’s on the commutes. Now, if a Homer were to pop 
>> up for a good deal……..
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-6 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>>> and I'm okay with that!
>>>
>>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>>
>>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>>> the itch to upgrade.
>>>
>>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it 
>>> on something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Max
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Mathias Steiner]

@Hoch -- A 3 mile "commute"?  That's what I've got and I might ride three 
different bikes in a given week.. it's more about fenders and lights when 
needed than the riding experience. What "riding experience?" As soon as it 
starts, it's over, I don't even get warm on a cold day until I'm mostly 
there. So literally any functioning bike will work, and a Homer is as much 
overkill as an Atlantis would be.

None of this is an indictment of using whatever bike one enjoys.

@Brian T
>> However, the current version of the Atlantis does not hold the same 
appeal to me as those classic Rivs did. 

What is an Atlantis? The modern version is  much closer to the Appaloosa 
than it is to the original Atlantis. 
I'm leery of meter-long chain stays, so I'd go the used route here, too. 
But I have no actual experience to back it up. 

However: if it's gonna be an Atlantis, I think we can all agree that it 
MUST be Atlantis green. Accept no substitutes.

I can't quote it but I believe that Grant has said at various times that 
there's always going to be an Atlantis, and that it's always going to be 
made in the U.S. -- and then things changed, and Waterford closed its 
doors, and something had to give. Which is why we have the oddity of 
Appaloosa and Atlantis being produced side-by-side in Taiwan.

cheers -mathias

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 10:38:04 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Mostly everyone is responding with their  heart, which is expected. 
>
> Atlantis is a touring bike. Heavy duty frame, large tire clearance. 
> Exceptional bike. I had two Hunqapillars, which I see as equivalent to the 
> Atlantis. For touring and/or slower long distance rides, I’d say go for it. 
>
> For a 4 mile commute? Stick with your bike. I don’t know what the other 
> person was talking about. There are plenty of parts to upgrade a vintage 
> bike. Or if you really want a Riv, get. Homer, Sam, or another lighter duty 
> bike meant for commuting. I think you’d enjoy it more. 
>
> I have a similar 3 mile commute. I rode my Hunq for a few months but 
> eventually built up an old Fuji road bike. Then happened upon a Clem for a 
> good deal which I rode for a few months. But as much as I wanted to ride it 
> for the commutes, it was just too much bike. The old Fuji was better. 
>
> My current commuter is an unknown vintage MTB frame with 26x1.75 slicks. I 
> honestly don’t miss my Riv’s on the commutes. Now, if a Homer were to pop 
> up for a good deal……..
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-6 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>> and I'm okay with that!
>>
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>
>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>> the itch to upgrade.
>>
>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
>> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Max
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Hoch in ut]

Mostly everyone is responding with their  heart, which is expected. 

Atlantis is a touring bike. Heavy duty frame, large tire clearance. 
Exceptional bike. I had two Hunqapillars, which I see as equivalent to the 
Atlantis. For touring and/or slower long distance rides, I’d say go for it. 

For a 4 mile commute? Stick with your bike. I don’t know what the other 
person was talking about. There are plenty of parts to upgrade a vintage 
bike. Or if you really want a Riv, get. Homer, Sam, or another lighter duty 
bike meant for commuting. I think you’d enjoy it more. 

I have a similar 3 mile commute. I rode my Hunq for a few months but 
eventually built up an old Fuji road bike. Then happened upon a Clem for a 
good deal which I rode for a few months. But as much as I wanted to ride it 
for the commutes, it was just too much bike. The old Fuji was better. 

My current commuter is an unknown vintage MTB frame with 26x1.75 slicks. I 
honestly don’t miss my Riv’s on the commutes. Now, if a Homer were to pop 
up for a good deal……..

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-6 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Bruce Byker James]

I was in a similar situation to you not long ago. I had a heavily 
Rivendell-influenced Fuji touring and a Kona Smoke. Last summer I was able 
to stop by Rivendell and ride a Clem and an Appaloosa. I loved them both 
about the same, except that I'm not crazy about the look of the step-thru 
Clem. I get that it's super practical, but I wanted something I would also 
love to look at. I lock up my bike in the city a decent amount, so it 
couldn't be too flashy. I had some unexpected money, but not very much, so 
the Appaloosa was out of range. I started paying close attention to the 
used market, came across a Clem H in my size and purchased it in March. I 
LOVE it! 

Without the unexpected money, I definitely would have kept enjoying the 
bikes I already had, but the Clem leveled-up my bicycle riding joy and so 
far it's made me spend more time riding.

 - Bruce

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:04:12 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> YES, you should get one. It's a lovely bike and capable of so many things. 
> If you want to be able to go from road to gravel and wherever you want you 
> should get this bike!
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>> and I'm okay with that!
>>
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>
>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>> the itch to upgrade.
>>
>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
>> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Max
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Sarah Carlson]

YES, you should get one. It's a lovely bike and capable of so many things. 
If you want to be able to go from road to gravel and wherever you want you 
should get this bike!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Neale S.]

Max - if you've been yearning for an Atlantis, you probably won't *regret* 
getting one. I think it will feel like an upgrade over an 80s mtb 
conversion, mostly in the advantage of a longer head tube and sloping top 
tube making it easier to get the bars to a comfortable position.  I do 
think a lot of the other bikes in Riv's lineup are also worth a look as 
others have mentioned. I own the current-gen Atlantis and it's very 
capable, but it's also almost identical to the Appaloosa, and both are on 
the more stout/cargo-capable side of the lineup. They also might not have 
any new frames in stock any time soon. A clem could be a very cool 
all-rounder, the platypus has some kind of magical, irrational appeal that 
exceeds the sum of its parts, the sam and homer are also worth a look. 
Happy to answer any questions about my Atlantis if you have them.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 11:56:38 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have always wanted to own an Atlantis or an All Rounder. Since like, the 
> early to mid 2000s. To me, they were the quintessential Rivendell bikes to 
> own. I loved the timeless, classic look and have always loved touring bikes 
> built for whatever. However, the current version of the Atlantis does not 
> hold the same appeal to me as those classic Rivs did. That’s why I searched 
> for an older model that I’m very happy to have found.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Brian Turner]

I have always wanted to own an Atlantis or an All Rounder. Since like, the 
early to mid 2000s. To me, they were the quintessential Rivendell bikes to own. 
I loved the timeless, classic look and have always loved touring bikes built 
for whatever. However, the current version of the Atlantis does not hold the 
same appeal to me as those classic Rivs did. That’s why I searched for an older 
model that I’m very happy to have found.

Brian
Lexington KY

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Christian B-H]

Hi Max,

I used to have a  1990’s GT Karakoram with swept back bars which I used as 
my “around towner.” I kinda wish I still had it, but I would never trade my 
Platypus for it which in now use every single day to get groceries or take 
my kid to school or just to ride for fun. I wanted an Atlantis BADLY but 
missed the sale, then bought this Platy locally when it became available. I 
think you’ll definitely notice a difference between an Atlantis and the 
commuter you already have, even if that difference is mostly as many people 
here state, “how you feel about the bike.” If you ride every day and have 
the $$, don’t hesitate to buy the Atlantis. 

Christian in Boulder, CO


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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Edwin W]

Max,

If you can ride one first, that will help you come to an answer... I had 
heard about Rivendell for many years, but it was not until I visited the 
Bay Area and went out to Riv HQ and rode a few bikes that I really 
understood how magically comfortable they feel. 

If you cannot get there, often there are people on this list not too far 
from you who could help you out.

Edwin in Nashville, if you are nearby..

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:44:35 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It? weight 23. 8 pounds

[Bernard Duhon]

This link has a good review of the Atlantis. He says it weighs 23.8 pounds.
That seems a little light but it is in the ballpark not a heavy bike.
By comparison of Fuji touring bike tips the scale at 31 pounds and not near as 
solid, durable or pretty.


Atlantis by Rivendell Bicycle Review - Road Bike Rider Cycling 
Site<https://www.roadbikerider.com/atlantis-by-rivendell-d1/#:~:text=A%20Nitto%20stem%2C%20handlebar%20and%20seatpost%20came%20from,SPD%20pedals%2C%20the%20complete%20bike%20weighs%2023.8%20pounds.>



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

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Behalf Of Bill Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 12:56 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

Max,

As someone who purchased an Atlantis about a year ago, I would say that you 
should absolutely go for it. I also pined after one for years, and I'll second 
what Gordon stated and say that every time I go outside and see it I get a 
smile on my face (and how can you put a price tag on that). I do agree it is a 
very heavy bike, although I never really feel that or think about it unless I 
am picking it up to get over an obstruction in the trail or end up in a 
hike-a-bike situation. It is a joy to ride. If you do want something a bit 
lighter and faster there are plenty of other Riv offerings that I am sure you 
would also end up loving.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 1:10:15 PM UTC-4 
vhans...@gmail.com<mailto:vhans...@gmail.com> wrote:
Max,

If upgrade fever is in your make up, you'll want a newer frame.   Because, 
taking a late 80's or 90's frame and upgrading the parts pick - opens all sorts 
of other problems which you won't want.   Don't forget even the late 80's early 
90's there still was vodoo magic running around eg: 11t home made cogs to 
convert 7spd to 8 spd speed.  XT shifters carefully filed to take advantage of 
the mystery 8th click on xt shiftersect ect ectblah blah blah..

VTW

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 9:14 AM Kim H.  wrote:
@Max,

FWIW, I had a 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn for short time. I really never fell in love 
with it.Two years ago, I had some extra monies, I decided to buy a Rivendell 
Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. Today, I am very happy with it as a senior cyclist 
after all my personal upgrades.  I am very happy with having a step-through 
frame ( I am unable to swing my right leg over the back end of a bicycle 
anymore) the smooth ride with the elongated chain stays and an upright riding 
position. My Clem is my retirement bike in RBW blue.

I am happy that I spent the money in purchasing my Clem as a treat to myself.

'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." -John 
Muir

Kim Hetzel.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people and I'm 
okay with that!

For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles each 
way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do it 
pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like riding my 
bike and I do it whenever I can.

I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied with 
my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor man's 
rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had the itch 
to upgrade.

Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm especially 
interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s era rigid MTB 
with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's ethos from 
Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you think you could 
have gotten by on that 80s frame?

[https://photos.fife.usercontent.google.com/pw/AP1GczPsAKRgFlU5yU8opDTlk-32oGDi-IeFVs6X8UEO3mUxBQHdPIBPrmdElA=w946-h1262-s-no-gm?authuser=0]

Thanks in advance!
Max
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Bill Schaefer]

Max,

As someone who purchased an Atlantis about a year ago, I would say that you 
should absolutely go for it. I also pined after one for years, and I'll 
second what Gordon stated and say that every time I go outside and see it I 
get a smile on my face (and how can you put a price tag on that). I do 
agree it is a very heavy bike, although I never really feel that or think 
about it unless I am picking it up to get over an obstruction in the trail 
or end up in a hike-a-bike situation. It is a joy to ride. If you do want 
something a bit lighter and faster there are plenty of other Riv offerings 
that I am sure you would also end up loving.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 1:10:15 PM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:

> Max, 
>
> If upgrade fever is in your make up, you'll want a newer frame.   Because, 
> taking a late 80's or 90's frame and upgrading the parts pick - opens all 
> sorts of other problems which you won't want.   Don't forget even the late 
> 80's early 90's there still was vodoo magic running around eg: 11t home 
> made cogs to convert 7spd to 8 spd speed.  XT shifters carefully filed to 
> take advantage of the mystery 8th click on xt shiftersect ect 
> ectblah blah blah..
>
> VTW 
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 9:14 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @Max,
>>
>> FWIW, I had a 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn for short time. I really never fell in 
>> love with it.Two years ago, I had some extra monies, I decided to buy a 
>> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. Today, I am very happy with it as a 
>> senior cyclist after all my personal upgrades.  I am very happy with having 
>> a step-through frame ( I am unable to swing my right leg over the back end 
>> of a bicycle anymore) the smooth ride with the elongated chain stays and an 
>> upright riding position. My Clem is my retirement bike in RBW blue. 
>>
>> I am happy that I spent the money in purchasing my Clem as a treat to 
>> myself.
>>
>> 'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." 
>> -John Muir
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>>> and I'm okay with that!
>>>
>>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>>
>>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>>> the itch to upgrade.
>>>
>>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it 
>>> on something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Max
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Victor Hanson]

Max,

If upgrade fever is in your make up, you'll want a newer frame.   Because,
taking a late 80's or 90's frame and upgrading the parts pick - opens all
sorts of other problems which you won't want.   Don't forget even the late
80's early 90's there still was vodoo magic running around eg: 11t home
made cogs to convert 7spd to 8 spd speed.  XT shifters carefully filed to
take advantage of the mystery 8th click on xt shiftersect ect
ectblah blah blah..

VTW

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 9:14 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Max,
>
> FWIW, I had a 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn for short time. I really never fell in
> love with it.Two years ago, I had some extra monies, I decided to buy a
> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. Today, I am very happy with it as a
> senior cyclist after all my personal upgrades.  I am very happy with having
> a step-through frame ( I am unable to swing my right leg over the back end
> of a bicycle anymore) the smooth ride with the elongated chain stays and an
> upright riding position. My Clem is my retirement bike in RBW blue.
>
> I am happy that I spent the money in purchasing my Clem as a treat to
> myself.
>
> 'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt."
> -John Muir
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people
>> and I'm okay with that!
>>
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4
>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding,
>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I
>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can.
>>
>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied
>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor
>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had
>> the itch to upgrade.
>>
>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on
>> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the
>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm
>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s
>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's
>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you
>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Max,

My knowledge of the Atlantis comes from drooling over it around the time I 
first discovered Rivendell -- early aughts maybe? I don't remember -- plus 
one ride of a few miles when I swapped bikes with a friend while on an 
organized multi-day tour. Luggage was transported by truck, so this was not 
a touring situation.

As it happened, I was riding a stiff steel touring bike myself (2010 Bruce 
Gordon BLT), and we both had 46 cm Noodles on our bikes.
I was disappointed in that I didn't feel anything "special" when riding the 
Atlantis. It felt just like my own touring bike, never mind pedigree or 
lugs. 

And how could it be different? 

Same head tube angle (72 degrees, like 98% of the tourers and sport tourers 
out there), same medium fork rake, same 45 cm chain stays... there is no 
magic, geometry is geometry, and we touch our bikes in five places, or four 
while climbing. Put a light set of wheels with 30 mm tires on it, and it'll 
feel quite a bit different, but it'll still be a stiff-as-heck touring 
bike. 

A little give in the frame is nice but not really necessary, and you want 
your touring bike to be strong. Horses for courses.

Meanwhile, I use my Gordon a lot for commuting, and while it's overkill for 
that, so what? It is a fine-handling bicycle with no vices, the "weight" is 
a water bottle's worth of extra steel vs. a sporty road bike from the 80s. 
In fact, the bike IS somewhat heavy, but that's because of how I've set it 
up with a dyno hub, fenders, racks, strong wheels it's ready to go 
touring as quick as I can mount the low riders. 

It's hard to build a bad bicycle, and on top of that, humans are adaptable. 
A few years ago, I'd alternate between a criterium road bike and a tourer, 
and by the time I got to the end of my street, I'd stopped noticing the 
difference in handling. 
"Just ride," as a wise man once said.

Here's what's important: 
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. 

What price love? If you want one, and you can afford it, go get one. My 
friend from above loves his and wouldn't think of riding anything else on a 
long ride. Before that, he rode a Bridgestone RB-1, so he knows from road 
bikes. Me, I'd ride the RB-1 on a supported tour. I think. But I wouldn't 
worry about it.

You might give the Sam a thought, since it's more middle-of-the road a fine 
bike in its own right. 
But it's you, and if you love the Atlantis, go for it.

cheers -m


On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 12:28:44 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:

> If this is just meant for a 4 mile commute, I would look for a different 
> bike.  I have an Atlantis and it weighs a ton.  It is great for real 
> touring, but it doesn't sound like you plan to do that.  I imagine that you 
> would likely be better off with a Homer, or maybe some sort of high-end 
> 1970's bicycle, when they still came with fender eyelets.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Victor Hanson]

Max,

Sure, a newer frame will have newer touches.  Don't forget a lot of late
80's and even early 90's frames are 130mm spread in the rear triangle.
 Thus, is upgrade fever is your forte (a whole different discussion by the
by) you w

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 9:14 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Max,
>
> FWIW, I had a 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn for short time. I really never fell in
> love with it.Two years ago, I had some extra monies, I decided to buy a
> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. Today, I am very happy with it as a
> senior cyclist after all my personal upgrades.  I am very happy with having
> a step-through frame ( I am unable to swing my right leg over the back end
> of a bicycle anymore) the smooth ride with the elongated chain stays and an
> upright riding position. My Clem is my retirement bike in RBW blue.
>
> I am happy that I spent the money in purchasing my Clem as a treat to
> myself.
>
> 'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt."
> -John Muir
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people
>> and I'm okay with that!
>>
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4
>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding,
>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I
>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can.
>>
>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied
>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor
>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had
>> the itch to upgrade.
>>
>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on
>> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the
>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm
>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s
>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's
>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you
>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Matt Beecher]

If this is just meant for a 4 mile commute, I would look for a different 
bike.  I have an Atlantis and it weighs a ton.  It is great for real 
touring, but it doesn't sound like you plan to do that.  I imagine that you 
would likely be better off with a Homer, or maybe some sort of high-end 
1970's bicycle, when they still came with fender eyelets.  

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Kim H.]

@Max,

FWIW, I had a 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn for short time. I really never fell in 
love with it.Two years ago, I had some extra monies, I decided to buy a 
Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. Today, I am very happy with it as a 
senior cyclist after all my personal upgrades.  I am very happy with having 
a step-through frame ( I am unable to swing my right leg over the back end 
of a bicycle anymore) the smooth ride with the elongated chain stays and an 
upright riding position. My Clem is my retirement bike in RBW blue. 

I am happy that I spent the money in purchasing my Clem as a treat to 
myself.

'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." 
-John Muir

Kim Hetzel.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Gordon Stam]

Well, there's something to be said for getting to your destination, hopping 
of your bike and looking back at it thinking, "man, nice bike!" - every 
time you ride it. That's worth something.
Also the resale value on Rivendells is really, really good so if you end up 
regretting your purchase (which you won't, unless you get the wrong size) 
you won't be out that many $$s

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-6 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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