[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[iamkeith]

Sorry for causing the thread drift.  Problems in Denver are multi-faceted.  
There's a big organized crime problem, targeting high-end bikes.  
Geographic location combined with a population that prioritizes outdoor 
recreation, combined with top-down law enforcement directives have made it 
a lucrative epicenter for bicyclre-specific crime.  But there's also a big 
and growing problem with smaller-scale, local property crimes.  Politics, 
funding  and the inability or unwillingness to prosecute means that thieves 
operate with no fear.  Problems exploded after the Pandemic.   I don't 
think the current economic situation is going to help. 

Giant chop-shops are set up in the open;  clothes-lines are strung across 
bike paths, more and more homeless camps filled with bikes, brash daylight 
lock cutting, scaling multi-floor apartment buildings to take bikes off of 
porches; private garages are scoped out and targeted in the upper-end 
neighborhoods.   Many of the brand new, still-unfilled urban center condo 
and mixed use developments are plummeting in value as residents try to 
unload and flee.  There are literally hundreds of bike thefts a day at 
times.  It's still a fun place to explore by bike, but you have to be 
smart.  You can't, for instance, sit at outdoor bistro seating in the 
cherry creek neighborhood with your bike unlocked 10 feet away in a bike 
rack, because someone will grab it and be gone before you can hop over a 
rope to catch them.  And I mentioned the REI parking lot, right?  An 
unattended bike on a car rack won't last more than a minute there.  You 
still see thousands of bikes in places like the RINO district, but I think 
they're mostly beaters, and even those get stolen.  Ask me how I know 
:-(

I hear catalytic converters are becoming more popular, so maybe that'll 
take some pressure off of bikes.
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:36:16 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

>
> https://www.5280.com/2022/07/inside-the-organized-crime-ring-that-stole-nearly-1-million-worth-of-bikes-from-denver-retailers/
>
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Hey Keith,
>> I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
>> context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
>> Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
>> nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW 
>> Arkansas where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left 
>> unlocked for hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them 
>> and the population is too small to hide easily.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
>>> so they have to cancel.
>>>
>>> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, 
>>> because I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>>>
>>> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
>>> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
>>> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
>>> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
>>> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
>>> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
>>> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>>>
 Hi, all—  

A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
 NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
 facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
 online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
 schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
 have any more information about this event?

Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!

 —Kurt in Sioux Falls

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[George Schick]

https://www.5280.com/2022/07/inside-the-organized-crime-ring-that-stole-nearly-1-million-worth-of-bikes-from-denver-retailers/


On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Hey Keith,
> I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
> context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
> Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
> nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?
>
> Paul in AR
>
> FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW Arkansas 
> where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left unlocked for 
> hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them and the 
> population is too small to hide easily.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
>> so they have to cancel.
>>
>> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, 
>> because I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>>
>> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
>> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
>> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
>> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
>> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
>> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
>> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—  
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Keith,
I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?

Paul in AR

FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW Arkansas 
where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left unlocked for 
hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them and the 
population is too small to hide easily.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
> so they have to cancel.
>
> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>
> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Kurt Griffin]

> John Moore : Jul 20 11:45AM -0400
> 
> On another site, it has been reported that the organizer of NAHBS had
> fallen quite ill and unable to pull together the event this year. In a note
> he sent to exhibitors, he also stated that there was not enough exhibitor
> interest to make a go of it.
>  
> Keep fingers crossed for next yr

Thank you all very much for the information.  Best wishes to Organizer John, 
and we’ll hope for next year.  

—Kurt

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Joe Bunik]

On 7/20/22, iamkeith  wrote:
> Looks like John posted a "real" answer at the same time as I was posting a
> snarky one.  That's too bad, sorry to hear.  Hope the Organizer recovers
> and gets well.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:53:01 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen,
>> so they have to cancel.
>>
>> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because
>>
>> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.
>>
>> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in
>> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even
>> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30
>> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even
>>
>> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI
>> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in
>>
>> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their
>>>
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone
>>>
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[iamkeith]

Looks like John posted a "real" answer at the same time as I was posting a 
snarky one.  That's too bad, sorry to hear.  Hope the Organizer recovers 
and gets well.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:53:01 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
> so they have to cancel.
>
> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>
> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[iamkeith]

Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, so 
they have to cancel.

Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  

In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:

> Hi, all—  
>
>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
> have any more information about this event?
>
>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>
> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[John Moore]

On another site, it has been reported that the organizer of NAHBS had
fallen quite ill and unable to pull together the event this year. In a note
he sent to exhibitors, he also stated that there was not enough exhibitor
interest to make a go of it.

Keep fingers crossed for next yr

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 2:40 AM Wesley  wrote:

> I found the website for the National Western Complex, and the show doesn't
> appear in their online schedule. I'm not sure what's going on. One of the
> Facebook posts does list a phone number for Don, if you feel like calling
> him to ask.
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If
>> you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is
>> July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where
>> the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in
>> the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the
>> slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show
>> is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
>> -W
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Wesley]

I found the website for the National Western Complex, and the show doesn't 
appear in their online schedule. I'm not sure what's going on. One of the 
Facebook posts does list a phone number for Don, if you feel like calling 
him to ask.
-W

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If 
> you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is 
> July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where 
> the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in 
> the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the 
> slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show 
> is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Wesley]

The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If 
you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is 
July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where 
the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in 
the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the 
slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show 
is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
-W

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:

> Hi, all—  
>
>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
> have any more information about this event?
>
>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>
> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Gus photos

[Ryan M.]

I would want a wider rim than a cliffhanger for a 2.8. I have cliffhangers on 
my Appaloosa and run the 57mm schwalbe g one on them and that is staring to get 
a bit Balloon-like and I would think trying to get a larger tire on a rim like 
the cliffhanger would run into issues clearing the v-brake arms.  The 
cliffhanger is not rated for a 2.8 tire, so I would think a new rim would be in 
order.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Gus photos

[DarinM]

Gahhh, they looks so damn fun! Thanks for the link, the writer could have 
said more about what it has rather than what it doesn't but whatever.

Ryan,

Are you wondering if Riv will have their own rims made for it or just which 
they will spec? So far, all the GBW's I've seen are using Velocity 
Cliffhangers which are the widest rim brake rim available (25mm inside) 
that I'm aware of.

Darin

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:51:53 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Bike Rumor posted a few photos from the Rivendell booth:
>
>
> https://bikerumor.com/2019/03/16/nahbs-2019-pursuit-cycles-dean-titanium-don-walker-rivendell-shamrock-cycles/
>
>
>
> Posted 8:39 am, Mar. 17, 2019
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for hosting this, it was great to meet you and others in person, and 
see all the great bikes :-)

-Eric

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Jeremy Till]

Hey folks, just bumping this to remind folks attending NAHBS that I'll be 
hosting a little get together and garage sale Saturday morning. Details 
below. The weather's looking good for Saturday so after the get-together 
I'll lead a ~45 min social paced ride along the Sacramento river and 
through Downtown, ending at the Convention center.  

FYI, since I had a couple of questions about it, NAHBS sent out an email 
this morning confirming that SABA (our local bike advocates) will once 
again be hosting valet bike parking at the convention center. So if you're 
coming along for the ride, no worries about parking your bike once we get 
there.  

Send me a personal message to RSVP and I'll send you my address. Hope to 
see you there!

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 2:25:43 PM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> NAHBS is once again in my town this year (Sacramento) so I thought I'd 
> host a little get together for people on the iBOB and Rivendell Owner's 
> Bunch lists. Like Rob Perks did in 2016, I'm doing it as a morning coffee 
> time on Saturday morning, which is when I figure most people will be 
> attending the show. The details: 
>
> What: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Coffee Get-Together and Garage Sale
> When: Saturday, March 16 9-10:30 a.m. 
> Where: My garage and driveway, in the Land Park neighborhood of 
> Sacramento, 1.8 miles from the Convention Center where NAHBS is being held. 
> In the interests of not posting my home address online, if you are 
> interested in coming, please RSVP to me and I will send you my address 
> directly. 
>
> As the title says, in keeping with the Marie Kondo craze and the interest 
> of downsizing my parts collection, I'm hosting it at my place and will be 
> throwing a garage sale at the same time. Basically anything that's not 
> already on a complete bike will be up for grabs at what I hope are 
> "everything must go" prices. It's an eclectic collection but includes 
> various flared drop bars, a 7spd Nexus wheel/shifter, a few bags from Riv 
> and VO, Time ATAC pedals, some SKS fenders, etc. 
>
> I'll have a couple of boxes of hot coffee from local roasters Temple 
> Coffee and maybe some donuts and/or pastries as well. Feel free to bring 
> some treats to share, or if you want to show off your coffee outside setup 
> feel free to brew up on the driveway. If there's interest as things are 
> winding down, I can lead a "scenic route" ride of 45 mins - 1 hour starting 
> from my place and ending at the convention center for the show.  
>
> Hope to see you there!
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Jeremy Till]

Hi Neil, 

I hadn't considered inviting others to bring their wares, and my 
garage/driveway space is pretty limited so I don't think I'd be able to do 
it properly, sorry. Would still love you to have you come by!

Thanks,

Jeremy

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:44:15 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Are you inviting listers to bring their wares to sell/trade? 

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS?

[Philip Williamson]

I've been to Saturday Cycles. I really liked the shop. Good mix of 
interesting vintage stuff hanging from the rafters, and RBW style bikes on 
the floor. 
I really enjoyed visiting SLC, and wish I could make it to NAHBS. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 12:23:24 PM UTC-8, Glen wrote:
>
> Anyone planning on attending next weekend's show?
>
> Feel free to direct email me if you want some SLC advice on hotels, 
> restaurants, skiing or other activities.
>
> We have one Riv dealer in town if you are looking for a shop. Saturday 
> Cycles at the corner of 6th North and 3rd West is about a mile from the 
> show.
>
> For food, the Red Iguana is less than a mile from the show (a couple of 
> stops on the light rail) and is legendary for Mexican
>
> http://www.2017.handmadebicycleshow.com/ 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[cyclotourist]

Ah man, didn't know you were meeting up at the Capitol Garage... that is
100% my favorite place to go in SAC.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16078484274/in/album-72157651569863236/
Love that place!

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Evan E.  wrote:

> It was great to see the bikes but even better to see and meet so many Riv
> and iBOB people!
>
> Just a few pics. I gravitated toward the more classic bikes -- and the old
> ones:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128169182@N04/albums/72157665033167502
>
>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Evan E.]

It was great to see the bikes but even better to see and meet so many Riv 
and iBOB people!

Just a few pics. I gravitated toward the more classic bikes -- and the old 
ones:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/128169182@N04/albums/72157665033167502









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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Surlyprof]

Thanks for pulling together the meet up, Jeremy.  It was nice to meet you 
and so many other Riv (and related)-folks after the show.  Altogether a 
wonderful way to spend a Saturday.


John

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Super nice to see old friends and meet new ones at NAHBS, and at the 
> Garage pre-ride meetup. Especially nice to meet your wife, Amit!
> The carpool with Evan and John was a real treat. Excellent 
> conversationalists. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:
>>
>> See y'all there!
>>
>> Amit
>>
>> On Thursday, 11 February 2016 09:18:11 UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Folks-
>>>
>>> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
>>> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
>>> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
>>> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
>>> how does this sound?
>>>
>>> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
>>> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
>>> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
>>> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to 
>>> the Convention Center. 
>>> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
>>> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
>>> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>>>
>>> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
>>> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
>>> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
>>> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
>>> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>>>
>>> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
>>> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
>>> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
>>> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
>>> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
>>> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>>>
>>> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
>>> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>>>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
>>> do.  
>>>
>>> See you soon,
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Philip Williamson]

Super nice to see old friends and meet new ones at NAHBS, and at the Garage 
pre-ride meetup. Especially nice to meet your wife, Amit!
The carpool with Evan and John was a real treat. Excellent 
conversationalists. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:
>
> See y'all there!
>
> Amit
>
> On Thursday, 11 February 2016 09:18:11 UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks-
>>
>> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
>> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
>> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
>> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
>> how does this sound?
>>
>> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
>> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
>> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
>> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
>> Convention Center. 
>> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
>> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
>> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>>
>> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
>> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
>> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
>> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
>> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>>
>> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
>> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
>> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
>> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
>> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
>> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>>
>> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
>> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
>> do.  
>>
>> See you soon,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Amit Singh]

See y'all there!

Amit

On Thursday, 11 February 2016 09:18:11 UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
> how does this sound?
>
> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
> Convention Center. 
> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>
> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>
> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>
> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
> do.  
>
> See you soon,
>
> Jeremy
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Evan E.]

Hi Jeremy,

Four of us will meet you at Capitol Garage at about 5pm on Saturday. (We'll 
be driving back to the Bay Area soon afterwards, so no ride for us.) Thanks 
for organizing this. Looking forward to it!

Evan

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[René Sterental]

I'll be at the show on Saturday, but I don't think I'll be able to meet
afterwards as I have to drive home earlier in the afternoon. Will be there
on Friday evening though, as I'm working in Sacramento all-day on Friday.

René

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Patrick Kelly  wrote:

> Erik Nohlin (doesn't ride riv, but hangs with people that do, I think)
> posted about doing an SF to SAC journey.
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BCCIrSQS_Ss/
>
> "We're riding from SF to SAC for NAHBS. 08.15 ferry from Ferry
> Building. Stop for liquid lunch at Heretic and hydration at Bikedog.
> Chill - No drop. Arrive at NAHBS 4pm ish. Who else is on?"
>
> Not included in the text, but in the photo is "this friday".
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > I’m planning to be at the show Saturday. Let me know where and when the
> Riv
> > event will be.
> >
> > --Eric Norris
> > campyonly...@me.com
> > www.campyonly.com
> > campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> >
> > Bump.  Who's coming to NAHBS?  I'm organizing a little git together for
> > Riv/iBOB folks on Saturday evening.
> >
> > On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Folks-
> >>
> >> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this
> >> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup
> for my
> >> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share
> >> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that
> end, how
> >> does this sound?
> >>
> >> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
> >> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
> >> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar, corner of 15th & K
> St,
> >> just next to the Convention Center.
> >> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company, 18th & Broadway (south end of
> Midtown,
> >> north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking distance back to Midtown,
> >> Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
> >>
> >> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite
> >> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get
> >> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around
> to New
> >> Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and
> lagers.
> >> Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc.
> >>
> >> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and
> >> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event
> so
> >> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for
> all
> >> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's
> still a
> >> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place
> which
> >> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some
> grub.
> >>
> >> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If
> >> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike
> nerds.
> >> If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I
> can
> >> do.
> >>
> >> See you soon,
> >>
> >> Jeremy
> >
> >
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Neil]

I'm planning on being there Friday. Question for the OP: best late lunch 
and beer joints near the convention center? Probably riding home to Rocklin 
afterwards so can't imbibe too much, but would like to sample the suds and 
grab a sammy somewhere. Seems like there are tons of choices down there 
these days.

Also, for those attending...I saw on MTBR that in years past, the day-of 
ticket line can be long, like an hour or more. Seems hard to believe, but I 
never been. Up until COB Tuesday, I think you can buy them online: 
https://nahbs.mycustomevent.com/ShoppingCart.aspx?com=detailview&iid=1348&diid=1351&cid=260#Detail

Also, I'm assuming the have protected valet bike parking? Seems impossible 
they would not...

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
> how does this sound?
>
> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
> Convention Center. 
> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>
> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>
> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>
> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
> do.  
>
> See you soon,
>
> Jeremy
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Patrick Kelly]

Erik Nohlin (doesn't ride riv, but hangs with people that do, I think)
posted about doing an SF to SAC journey.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCCIrSQS_Ss/

"We're riding from SF to SAC for NAHBS. 08.15 ferry from Ferry
Building. Stop for liquid lunch at Heretic and hydration at Bikedog.
Chill - No drop. Arrive at NAHBS 4pm ish. Who else is on?"

Not included in the text, but in the photo is "this friday".


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I’m planning to be at the show Saturday. Let me know where and when the Riv
> event will be.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> Bump.  Who's coming to NAHBS?  I'm organizing a little git together for
> Riv/iBOB folks on Saturday evening.
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks-
>>
>> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this
>> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my
>> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share
>> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, how
>> does this sound?
>>
>> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
>> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
>> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar, corner of 15th & K St,
>> just next to the Convention Center.
>> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company, 18th & Broadway (south end of Midtown,
>> north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking distance back to Midtown,
>> Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>>
>> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite
>> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get
>> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to New
>> Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and lagers.
>> Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc.
>>
>> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and
>> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so
>> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all
>> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a
>> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which
>> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub.
>>
>> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If
>> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds.
>> If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can
>> do.
>>
>> See you soon,
>>
>> Jeremy
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Eric Norris]

I’m planning to be at the show Saturday. Let me know where and when the Riv 
event will be.

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> On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> Bump.  Who's coming to NAHBS?  I'm organizing a little git together for 
> Riv/iBOB folks on Saturday evening. 
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
> Hey Folks-
> 
> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share some 
> of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, how does 
> this sound?
> 
> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
> Convention Center. 
> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
> 
> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite from 
> the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get rolling 
> around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to New 
> Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and lagers.  
> Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
> 
> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and the 
> whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so people 
> can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all or none 
> of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a good 
> group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which is 
> very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
> 
> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds.  
> If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
> do.  
> 
> See you soon,
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Manuel Acosta]

I might be free. Wrestling depends on where or not I make it.

Manny

On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Bump.  Who's coming to NAHBS?  I'm organizing a little git together for 
> Riv/iBOB folks on Saturday evening. 
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks-
>>
>> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
>> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
>> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
>> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
>> how does this sound?
>>
>> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
>> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
>> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
>> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
>> Convention Center. 
>> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
>> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
>> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>>
>> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
>> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
>> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
>> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
>> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>>
>> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
>> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
>> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
>> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
>> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
>> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>>
>> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
>> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
>> do.  
>>
>> See you soon,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Jeremy Till]

Bump.  Who's coming to NAHBS?  I'm organizing a little git together for 
Riv/iBOB folks on Saturday evening. 

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
> how does this sound?
>
> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
> Convention Center. 
> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>
> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>
> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>
> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
> do.  
>
> See you soon,
>
> Jeremy
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Shawn Granton]

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 7:55:12 AM UTC-8, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> FYI, at least some of the Motels 6 will kick you out and cancel your 
> reservation if you have bikes. No storage room or even lockup allowed. Also 
> apparently prositution busts are a regular occurrence at least at the 
> midtown location.


I find that interesting, since you're supposed to get a 10% discount at 
Motel 6 if you are an Adventure Cycling Association member! Was there a 
specific Motel 6 where this happened? It might be good if ACA learned about 
that.
-Shawn 

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Evan Baird]

FYI, at least some of the Motels 6 will kick you out and cancel your 
reservation if you have bikes. No storage room or even lockup allowed. Also 
apparently prositution busts are a regular occurrence at least at the midtown 
location.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Evan Baird]

That said, Amtrak from the bay area is easy and enjoyable.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[René Sterental]

I'm also going on Saturday. Have been there once before and enjoyed it very
much.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> I didn't find a reason to go more than one day, even though I really like
> looking at beautiful bikes. If you really wanted to speak in depth with
> multiple builders, maybe go multiple days, but I think for the  average
> "just lookin" person, one day suffices.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
>
> On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 1:05:17 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Is it worth going to the show for just one or two days? How different is
>> the show for the average onlooker, day to day?
>>
>> On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 3:12:09 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Jim, this is perfect. Thanks to everyone who has given me advice.
>>> Just hope the show is good this year.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Jim M.]

I didn't find a reason to go more than one day, even though I really like 
looking at beautiful bikes. If you really wanted to speak in depth with 
multiple builders, maybe go multiple days, but I think for the  average 
"just lookin" person, one day suffices.

jim m
wc ca

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 1:05:17 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Is it worth going to the show for just one or two days? How different is 
> the show for the average onlooker, day to day? 
>
> On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 3:12:09 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jim, this is perfect. Thanks to everyone who has given me advice. 
>> Just hope the show is good this year. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Daniel Jackson]

Is it worth going to the show for just one or two days? How different is 
the show for the average onlooker, day to day? 

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 3:12:09 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim, this is perfect. Thanks to everyone who has given me advice. 
> Just hope the show is good this year. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[blakcloud]

Thanks Jim, this is perfect. Thanks to everyone who has given me advice. 
Just hope the show is good this year. 


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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Jim M.]

You can get BART at SFO to take you to an Amtrak Station, at which you get 
on a Capitol Corridor train to Sacramento.

At SFO BART, take a train heading to Pittsburg/Bay Point or to Richmond, 
and get off at the 12th St Oakland station. The Jack London AMTRAK station 
is less than a mile walk. The walk is through downtown Oakland, and you can 
get coffee/food if you want. Alternatively, take the Richmond-bound BART to 
Richmond station. The Richmond Amtrak station is co-located with the BART 
station, but there are no services nearby, and the neighborhood is not the 
best.

The Amtrak station in Sacramento is less than a mile from the convention 
center.

On returning to the Bay Area, you can get off in Martinez, but that would 
necessitate a taxi or Uber to Walnut Creek. If you take Amtrak to Richmond, 
you can get on BART, and at the MacArthur Station, transfer to 
a Pittsburg/Bay Point train (some times labeled Concord). Take that train 
to Walnut Creek, and Riv HQ is a short walk. When you're done with the test 
ride, you can go back to BART and take an SFO-bound train back to the 
airport.

If you have any questions, let me know.

jim m
wc ca


On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 8:15:37 PM UTC-8, blakcloud wrote:
>
> Well I think I lied above, I have decided that I am going to NAHBS after 
> all but I need a little help with logistics. 
>
> I will be flying to San Fransisco on the Friday and making my way to 
> Sacramento and I was thinking the cheapest way would be to take the train 
> system from the airport. Can anyone give me any information to make my trip 
> easier? I know absolutely nothing about the transit systems in California. 
>
> I will leave Sacramento after the bike show on Sunday and make my way back 
> to SF or area as I would love to go to Riv HQ and test ride the A. Homer 
> Hilsen on the Monday. Then fly back to Toronto on that day or the next. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any help in navigating that portion of my trip. 
>
> Thomas
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[ted]

I believe Bart goes to both sfo and Oakland airport now.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Eric Norris]

Unfortunately, light rail is still years away from going to the airport. Your 
best bet would be a taxi or Uber to get downtown … and once you get there, the 
transit choices are going to be far less that what you’re used to in Toronto. 
You’ll need to walk a lot or check the bus schedules to get around town.

Getting from Sacramento to SF is easier. You can take Amtrak from the downtown 
station to Richmond and connect with BART, which goes right into downtown San 
Francisco (where you’ll find more familiar transit options). There’s a BART 
stop fairly close to Rivendell—check their system maps and timetables online.

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> On Feb 6, 2016, at 8:15 PM, blakcloud  wrote:
> 
> Well I think I lied above, I have decided that I am going to NAHBS after all 
> but I need a little help with logistics. 
> 
> I will be flying to San Fransisco on the Friday and making my way to 
> Sacramento and I was thinking the cheapest way would be to take the train 
> system from the airport. Can anyone give me any information to make my trip 
> easier? I know absolutely nothing about the transit systems in California. 
> 
> I will leave Sacramento after the bike show on Sunday and make my way back to 
> SF or area as I would love to go to Riv HQ and test ride the A. Homer Hilsen 
> on the Monday. Then fly back to Toronto on that day or the next. 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help in navigating that portion of my trip. 
> 
> Thomas
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[blakcloud]

Well I think I lied above, I have decided that I am going to NAHBS after 
all but I need a little help with logistics. 

I will be flying to San Fransisco on the Friday and making my way to 
Sacramento and I was thinking the cheapest way would be to take the train 
system from the airport. Can anyone give me any information to make my trip 
easier? I know absolutely nothing about the transit systems in California. 

I will leave Sacramento after the bike show on Sunday and make my way back 
to SF or area as I would love to go to Riv HQ and test ride the A. Homer 
Hilsen on the Monday. Then fly back to Toronto on that day or the next. 

Thanks in advance for any help in navigating that portion of my trip. 

Thomas

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[blakcloud]

I went in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014 and there has been a shift in the show 
every time I go and this shift is not something I like. It started with a 
show for hand built bikes but now has become a lot more corporate. You see 
less frame builders and more corporations, like Shimano, Campagnolo, Gates 
Drive Systems, SRAM, Chris King and Rtichey. This is the stuff you can see 
anywhere. It is the frame builders that make the show and they are 
dwindling over the years. 

After 2014 I decided it's not worth it for me to fly from Toronto to the 
host city,  get a hotel for three or four days and see less and less frame 
builders. Now if it was in my backyard, then there would be no doubt I 
would go. 

I will be fine looking at everyone's photos. 


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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Who ever goes*Plse take photos and post. for those who can't 
attend.*
Jon

On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-7, Neil wrote:

> Has anybody been before? I've been wanting to go the last few years, so 
> gonna make it happen this year. I can ride from home and make it a fun 
> all-day sorta thing.
>
> Anybody else going, or have any strong recommendos for or against the show?
>
> http://www.2016.handmadebicycleshow.com/
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Philip Williamson]

I've been to a couple of them, and they were really fun. You literally have 
nothing to lose, if you can ride your bike over to it. 
I'm going to go. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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> Has anybody been before? I've been wanting to go the last few years, so 
> gonna make it happen this year. I can ride from home and make it a fun 
> all-day sorta thing.
>
> Anybody else going, or have any strong recommendos for or against the show?
>
> http://www.2016.handmadebicycleshow.com/
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

[Bill Lindsay]

I strongly recommend attending NAHBS if you are able.  It's really fun.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


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> Has anybody been before? I've been wanting to go the last few years, so 
> gonna make it happen this year. I can ride from home and make it a fun 
> all-day sorta thing.
>
> Anybody else going, or have any strong recommendos for or against the show?
>
> http://www.2016.handmadebicycleshow.com/
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS 2014 Pictures

[Paul Brodek]

Sorry, forgot my sign-off

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

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>
> Great shots! Definitely lots to see at NAHBS, and each show/location 
> changes the flavors. I finally managed to decompress my brain and put 
> together some NAHBS 2014 sets yesterday, 
>
> The collection should be accessible at the link below. Still have to 
> edit/add a Peeps/Candid set, maybe tomorrow?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479
> @N04/collections/72157642621665223/
>
> On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:54:18 PM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:
>>
>> We left our camera at home, but my spouse did what she could with my 
>> phone. She took pictures of anything that took her interest.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/sets/72157642402340484/
>>
>> David
>> Charlotte, NC
>>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS 2014 Pictures

[Paul Brodek]

Great shots! Definitely lots to see at NAHBS, and each show/location 
changes the flavors. I finally managed to decompress my brain and put 
together some NAHBS 2014 sets yesterday, 

The collection should be accessible at the link below. Still have to 
edit/add a Peeps/Candid set, maybe tomorrow?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479
@N04/collections/72157642621665223/

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:54:18 PM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:
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> We left our camera at home, but my spouse did what she could with my 
> phone. She took pictures of anything that took her interest.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/sets/72157642402340484/
>
> David
> Charlotte, NC
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS 2014 Pictures

[Clayton]

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:54:18 PM UTC-7, David Spranger wrote:
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> We left our camera at home, but my spouse did what she could with my 
> phone. She took pictures of anything that took her interest.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/sets/72157642402340484/
>
> David
> Charlotte, NC
>

Thanks for the photos! Loved them.
Clay 

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS 2014 Pictures

[RonaTD]

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>
> We left our camera at home, but my spouse did what she could with my 
> phone. She took pictures of anything that took her interest.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/sets/72157642402340484/
>
>
Thanks so much for posting those. One of these years I will get to that in 
person. So much fun stuff to see!

The Bilenky tandem HAS to get best in show. Wow.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI, USA 

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS 2014 Pictures

[Deacon Patrick]

Your wife has a very artful eye! Beautiful photos. Thanks.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> David
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Riv bike get together

[Paul Brodek]

I'm also flying down bikeless, which is OK by me since the Jersey cold/snow 
has kept me grounded for many weeks. I'll be there all three days.

We sometimes manage a Classic Rendezvous breakfast during NAHBS, usually 
Sat morning, maybe we could do something similar for Riv/iBOB folk?

On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:32:54 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:
>
> I am really looking forward to the show but I won't be bringing my bike. 
> The plan is to arrive on Friday and leave on Sunday but it all depends on 
> flights. Since I fly stand-by, I am never sure I can get on a flight but I 
> was lucky for Indianapolis, Richmond and Denver so my luck may hold out. 
>
> On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:19:04 PM UTC-5, pam wrote:
>>
>> NAHBS (North Am Handmade Bike Show) will be in Charlotte, NC March 
>> 14-16th.  Would anyone be interested in getting together for a ride? Maybe 
>> Thursday after the show so you can get acclimated to the area.  Anybody 
>> coming to Charlotte?
>>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Riv bike get together

[blakcloud]

I am really looking forward to the show but I won't be bringing my bike. 
The plan is to arrive on Friday and leave on Sunday but it all depends on 
flights. Since I fly stand-by, I am never sure I can get on a flight but I 
was lucky for Indianapolis, Richmond and Denver so my luck may hold out. 

On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:19:04 PM UTC-5, pam wrote:
>
> NAHBS (North Am Handmade Bike Show) will be in Charlotte, NC March 
> 14-16th.  Would anyone be interested in getting together for a ride? Maybe 
> Thursday after the show so you can get acclimated to the area.  Anybody 
> coming to Charlotte?
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[William]

I ride with Deb Banks at San Francisco Randonneurs.  At NAHBS, Deb told me 
that she's travelling through the 14th of March, after which she'll be all 
set up to take orders.  That's when I'm going to order mine.  

On Monday, March 5, 2012 12:53:10 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Not that I know of, but there should be soon.  You could ask:
>
> http://rivetcycleworks.com/contact/
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:34 PM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" <
> thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:
>
> Are they available anywhere in the ether?  (Meaning, on the web.)
>
>  --
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> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
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> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS
>
>  I've got one mounted on my Quickbeam already:
>
> http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2012/03/we-riding-rivet.html
>
> Road test results coming soon.
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:43 AM, William  wrote:
>
>  Don't overlook Rivet.  Their target is to split the difference between 
> rock hard Brooks and hammocky Selle Anatomica.  From what I've seen and 
> felt, they've nailed it.  I'm going to be running one soon. 
>
> http://web.me.com/dbanks1935/Site/Blog/Entries/2011/10/31_IntroRivet.html 
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2012 9:44:23 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: 
>>
>> Love the idea of a selle for bigger dudes but not enthused about buying 
>> something that references my weight as "Titanic" hahaha. 
>> On Mar 5, 2012 11:49 AM, "Philip Williamson"  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
>>> like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
>>> other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
>>> prototypes front and center.
>>>
>>> I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
>>> Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
>>> had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
>>> events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
>>> outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.
>>>
>>>  Philip
>>>
>>> Philip Williamson
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
>>> > Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing 
>>> work, but
>>> > I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside 
>>> the
>>> > grocery store.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Eric Norris]

Not that I know of, but there should be soon.  You could ask:

http://rivetcycleworks.com/contact/

--Eric N

On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:34 PM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
 wrote:

> Are they available anywhere in the ether?  (Meaning, on the web.)
> 
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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> 
> I've got one mounted on my Quickbeam already:
> 
> http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2012/03/we-riding-rivet.html
> 
> Road test results coming soon.
> 
> --Eric N
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:43 AM, William  wrote:
> 
>> Don't overlook Rivet.  Their target is to split the difference between rock 
>> hard Brooks and hammocky Selle Anatomica.  From what I've seen and felt, 
>> they've nailed it.  I'm going to be running one soon.
>> 
>> http://web.me.com/dbanks1935/Site/Blog/Entries/2011/10/31_IntroRivet.html 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, March 5, 2012 9:44:23 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>> Love the idea of a selle for bigger dudes but not enthused about buying 
>> something that references my weight as "Titanic" hahaha.
>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2012 11:49 AM, "Philip Williamson"  
>> wrote:
>> Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
>> like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
>> other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
>> prototypes front and center.
>> 
>> I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
>> Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
>> had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
>> events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
>> outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.
>> 
>>  Philip
>> 
>> Philip Williamson
>> www.biketinker.com
>> 
>> On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
>> > Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing work, but
>> > I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside the
>> > grocery store.
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RE: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Are they available anywhere in the ether?  (Meaning, on the web.)


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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:50 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

I've got one mounted on my Quickbeam already:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2012/03/we-riding-rivet.html

Road test results coming soon.

--Eric N

On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:43 AM, William 
mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Don't overlook Rivet.  Their target is to split the difference between rock 
hard Brooks and hammocky Selle Anatomica.  From what I've seen and felt, 
they've nailed it.  I'm going to be running one soon.

http://web.me.com/dbanks1935/Site/Blog/Entries/2011/10/31_IntroRivet.html



On Monday, March 5, 2012 9:44:23 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

Love the idea of a selle for bigger dudes but not enthused about buying 
something that references my weight as "Titanic" hahaha.

On Mar 5, 2012 11:49 AM, "Philip Williamson" 
mailto:philip.william...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
prototypes front and center.

I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com<http://www.biketinker.com>

On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
> Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing work, but
> I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside the
> grocery store.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Jeremy Till]

Actually, "Titanico" is the general model name for the SAA saddles, 
including the "Legacy" model which is for lightweight riders, so I don't 
think they're trying to associate it with big riders.  The "X" designates 
the saddle for us big guys.


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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Eric Norris]

I've got one mounted on my Quickbeam already:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2012/03/we-riding-rivet.html

Road test results coming soon.

--Eric N

On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:43 AM, William  wrote:

> Don't overlook Rivet.  Their target is to split the difference between rock 
> hard Brooks and hammocky Selle Anatomica.  From what I've seen and felt, 
> they've nailed it.  I'm going to be running one soon.
> 
> http://web.me.com/dbanks1935/Site/Blog/Entries/2011/10/31_IntroRivet.html 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 5, 2012 9:44:23 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
> Love the idea of a selle for bigger dudes but not enthused about buying 
> something that references my weight as "Titanic" hahaha.
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012 11:49 AM, "Philip Williamson"  
> wrote:
> Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
> like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
> other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
> prototypes front and center.
> 
> I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
> Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
> had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
> events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
> outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.
> 
>  Philip
> 
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
> 
> On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
> > Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing work, but
> > I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside the
> > grocery store.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[William]

Don't overlook Rivet.  Their target is to split the difference between rock 
hard Brooks and hammocky Selle Anatomica.  From what I've seen and felt, 
they've nailed it.  I'm going to be running one soon.

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On Monday, March 5, 2012 9:44:23 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> Love the idea of a selle for bigger dudes but not enthused about buying 
> something that references my weight as "Titanic" hahaha. 
> On Mar 5, 2012 11:49 AM, "Philip Williamson"  
> wrote:
>
>> Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
>> like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
>> other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
>> prototypes front and center.
>>
>> I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
>> Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
>> had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
>> events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
>> outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.
>>
>>  Philip
>>
>> Philip Williamson
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>> On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
>> > Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing work, 
>> but
>> > I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside 
>> the
>> > grocery store.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Peter Morgano]

Love the idea of a selle for bigger dudes but not enthused about buying
something that references my weight as "Titanic" hahaha.
On Mar 5, 2012 11:49 AM, "Philip Williamson" 
wrote:

> Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
> like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
> other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
> prototypes front and center.
>
> I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
> Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
> had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
> events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
> outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
> > Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing work,
> but
> > I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside
> the
> > grocery store.
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Philip Williamson]

Some of the bikes are always "concept cars," that show off new ideas,
like the Cherubim space ship. These builders are showing off for each
other, too. They're putting their best ideas and most interesting
prototypes front and center.

I don't think they're too nice. Bikes are made to be ridden. In
Portland I regularly saw an Ahearne mixte locked up on the street that
had been displayed at NAHBS. It may have won an award there. At bike
events, which don't count as heavily, I've seen MAP bikes locked up
outside that I'd seen as show bikes in previous years.

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, jpp  wrote:
> Is it just me or are these bikes almost too nice?  Really amazing work, but
> I would never feel comfortable leaving any of those chained up outside the
> grocery store.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Jeremy Till]

I had a busy weekend, so only made it for a couple of hours on Saturday 
morning.  It was the same overwhelming barrage of eye candy that I remember 
from San Jose 5(!) years ago, except with many more people this time.  
Highlights for me:

-Finally getting to meet Rick Hunter, who's work and quiet style I've 
appreciated for a long time.  Nice guy. His off-road touring bike with the 
split-handlebar stem was the top of my "niftiest" list for the show. 
-Talked some with Eric from Winter Cycles, who I've been aware of but never 
really spent that much time looking at his work.  He had a great 
stripped-down but functional fixed gear with fenders, generator lights, and 
a Wald steel handlebar brazed into the stem.  
-Got an "atmo" sticker for my tool box, straight out of the hands of the 
man himself.  He always brings the same bikes to NAHBS--a couple of his 
signature road bikes and a cross bikes, all done up with his trademark red 
and white Joe Bell paint job.  But man, I could spend hours staring at the 
details on them; not just in the frame, but the assembly as well.  
-Talked with the folks from Selle Anatomica about the new Titanico X, their 
saddle for those of us north of 200 lbs that they were debuting at the 
show.  I'll be getting one for the upcoming QB build.  They had an AHH set 
up on a trainer as a demonstrator.  
-Through a friend, I got to meet Chris Chance and Charlie Kelly!  Cool, 
laid back guys.

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:39:54 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make 
> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt, 
> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks 
> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many 
> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.  
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Dave
>

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:39:54 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make 
> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt, 
> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks 
> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many 
> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.  
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: Nahbs 2012 - a set on Flickr

[islaysteve]

Thanks, this is serious drool-stuff indeed!  Love the integrated 
stem/headlight, among many other things here.  Steve

On Saturday, March 3, 2012 8:48:52 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Some photos and a little video from yesterday at the NAHBS:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157629135526796/with/6802131526/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --Eric N
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[dpco]

Bill,
I saw that Riv at the Selle Anatomica booth. Anyway, there are some really 
beautiful steel bikes. Its my second chance at the NAHBS show( 1st was San 
Jose). This show is always great.
Don C.

On Friday, March 2, 2012 7:57:06 PM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote:
>
> The ride tomorrow morning apparently leaves from de Vere's pub at 15th 
> and L st (1521 L), mrrting up at 8:30.  I'll try to be there a bit 
> ahead of that. 
>
> During the show you'll probably see me in a black and white wool 
> jersey from Shamrock Cycles (bought that today), and a houndstooth 
> Walz cap. 
>
> Lots of beautiful bikes to see, including a Homer at Selle Anatomica's 
> booth. 
>
> Bill Mennuti 
>
>
> On Mar 2, 6:51 am, "Bill M."  wrote: 
> > I have a three day pass.  I'll be there today and at least a part of 
> > Saturday.  No particular plans for Sunday.  Saturday there's a ride 
> > scheduled to leave at 8:30 from a pub out to the bike museum in Davis 
> > and back that I'd like to do.  I'll be on my green Riv Road with a 
> > green Carradice Barley. 
> > 
> > Bill Mennuti 
> > 
> > On Mar 1, 7:39 pm, Dave Faller  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna 
> make 
> > > it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a 
> t-shirt, 
> > > a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet 
> folks 
> > > from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too 
> many 
> > > photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time 
> afterward. 
> > > Hope to see some of you there! 
> > 
> > > Dave

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Tom M]

For instance, behold this double top-tube 
bike: 
http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/nahbs_2012_50.jpg 

On Saturday, March 3, 2012 8:31:40 AM UTC-5, Tom M wrote:
>
> Urban Velo does a great job photographing bikes at the show: 
> http://urbanvelo.org/nahbs-2012-image-dump-1/.
>
> On Saturday, March 3, 2012 12:32:36 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> sweet! anyone know if theres a ride to NAHMBS Sunday? I'll be riding 
>> up Saturday and checking out the show. Staying with my brother in 
>> Davis then planning to ride Sunday to the convention center from Davis 
>> in the Sunday. 
>> -Manny
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Tom M]

Urban Velo does a great job photographing bikes at the 
show: http://urbanvelo.org/nahbs-2012-image-dump-1/.

On Saturday, March 3, 2012 12:32:36 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> sweet! anyone know if theres a ride to NAHMBS Sunday? I'll be riding 
> up Saturday and checking out the show. Staying with my brother in 
> Davis then planning to ride Sunday to the convention center from Davis 
> in the Sunday. 
> -Manny

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Manuel Acosta]

sweet! anyone know if theres a ride to NAHMBS Sunday? I'll be riding
up Saturday and checking out the show. Staying with my brother in
Davis then planning to ride Sunday to the convention center from Davis
in the Sunday.
-Manny

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Bill M.]

The ride tomorrow morning apparently leaves from de Vere's pub at 15th
and L st (1521 L), mrrting up at 8:30.  I'll try to be there a bit
ahead of that.

During the show you'll probably see me in a black and white wool
jersey from Shamrock Cycles (bought that today), and a houndstooth
Walz cap.

Lots of beautiful bikes to see, including a Homer at Selle Anatomica's
booth.

Bill Mennuti


On Mar 2, 6:51 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> I have a three day pass.  I'll be there today and at least a part of
> Saturday.  No particular plans for Sunday.  Saturday there's a ride
> scheduled to leave at 8:30 from a pub out to the bike museum in Davis
> and back that I'd like to do.  I'll be on my green Riv Road with a
> green Carradice Barley.
>
> Bill Mennuti
>
> On Mar 1, 7:39 pm, Dave Faller  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make
> > it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt,
> > a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks
> > from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many
> > photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.
> > Hope to see some of you there!
>
> > Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Joe Bunik]

On 3/2/12, JPTwins  wrote:
> Just saw this on the NAHBS website:
> http://2012.handmadebicycleshow.com/2012-news/2012/03/01/avoid-amtrak-from-the-bay-area-this-weekend/
> ...
> *cyclists are advised to avoid taking Amtrak to NAHBS.*
>
> So, instead, I'll be taking BART to Walnut Creek on Saturday morning,
> stopping in to RBWHQ, then riding my bike to Martinez and catching the
> train to Sacramento.

Geoff: since you're from out-of-town, I made this for you or anyone
else looking to get from RBW to the Martinez train depot. There are
two options: a meander up over and down a couple of hills, and the
more straight-shot (partially involving a MUP canal-side path).

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/973404

Happy trails!
=- Joe

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[JPTwins]

Just saw this on the NAHBS website:
http://2012.handmadebicycleshow.com/2012-news/2012/03/01/avoid-amtrak-from-the-bay-area-this-weekend/
*We have recently learned that the Amtrak Capital Corridor route between 
the Bay Area and Sacramento will be subject to repairs this weekend, and 
there will be a bus transfer between Martinez and Emeryville. Therefore 
cyclists are advised to avoid taking Amtrak to NAHBS.*

So, instead, I'll be taking BART to Walnut Creek on Saturday morning, 
stopping in to RBWHQ, then riding my bike to Martinez and catching the 
train to Sacramento.

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:39:54 PM UTC-5, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make 
> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt, 
> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks 
> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many 
> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.  
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Dave
>

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:39:54 PM UTC-5, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make 
> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt, 
> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks 
> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many 
> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.  
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Dave
>

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:39:54 PM UTC-5, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make 
> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt, 
> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks 
> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many 
> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.  
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Dave
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Addison Wilhite]

I'll be there sat/sun. No idea what I'm wearing. ;)

I may be riding my riv ar for the mimosa ride on Sunday morning though. 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Hetchins52  wrote:

> Will be there Friday and Saturday. A rare opportunity to wear my
> garish 1980's Santini, wool sweater-jersey.
> Red, grey and blue horizontal strips with a big yellow diamond on the
> front!
> 
> David Lipsky
> (no Rivs, but a few Bridgestones)
> Berkeley, CA
> 
> On Mar 1, 7:39 pm, Dave Faller  wrote:
>> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make
>> it to the show? 
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[A D]

I'm heading up Saturday and staying the night so I can throw a few
back for Sacramento Beer Week. Spot me in the bar with my Rosco Bubbe
pin and first pint is on me.


On Mar 1, 8:19 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> I'll be there Sunday a.m. and onward. Legolas. Will scrounge up a pin.
> Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 3/1/12, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Dave Faller  wrote:
>
> >> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make
> >> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt,
> >> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks
> >> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many
> >> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.
> >> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> > I'll be there Saturday.  Brown Rivendell t-shirt, blue jeans, and probably
> > my black canvas backpack.
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Bill M.]

I have a three day pass.  I'll be there today and at least a part of
Saturday.  No particular plans for Sunday.  Saturday there's a ride
scheduled to leave at 8:30 from a pub out to the bike museum in Davis
and back that I'd like to do.  I'll be on my green Riv Road with a
green Carradice Barley.

Bill Mennuti

On Mar 1, 7:39 pm, Dave Faller  wrote:
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make
> it to the show?  If you do, try to make yourself known.  A pin, a t-shirt,
> a hat.  Maybe you're a Yehuda look-alike.  It would be fun to meet folks
> from the group.  I don't know about you, but I plan on taking way too many
> photos, and I hope to link the gang to a Flickr fest some time afterward.
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Dave

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Hetchins52]

Will be there Friday and Saturday. A rare opportunity to wear my
garish 1980's Santini, wool sweater-jersey.
Red, grey and blue horizontal strips with a big yellow diamond on the
front!

David Lipsky
(no Rivs, but a few Bridgestones)
Berkeley, CA

On Mar 1, 7:39 pm, Dave Faller  wrote:
> Last chance to connect with like-minded Riv-heads.  ANYONE else gonna make
> it to the show? 

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS

[Manuel Acosta]

Pencil mustache for me and Riv cap. Leaving the cowboy shirt at home,
it's drench from the commute this morning.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Kris]

I think having Seven and a popular women's clothing line on either
side of Coho added to the crowding.  I'd like to think thousands and
thousands were fighting for a peek at my frame!

On Mar 2, 5:08 pm, Marty  wrote:
> In the marvelous cacophony of the NAHBS, there were plenty of bikes I
> missed completely or only glanced at. No doubt that led to the
> beginning post in this thread. The COHO was one I could not get close
> to on a few round trips - I should have known why. Next time I'll
> arrive earlier and stay later. My disappointment was in part the
> perceived bling, but more so the bikers mantra: "So many bikes, so
> little time".
>
> Marty
>
> On Mar 2, 4:16 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:15 -0800, Kris wrote:
> > > I'm the proud owner of the orange Coho "Roadie" frame that was on
> > > display.  Charles did a great job and the Henry James lugs certainly
> > > are "clean, simple, classic".
>
> > Congratulations!

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Marty]

In the marvelous cacophony of the NAHBS, there were plenty of bikes I
missed completely or only glanced at. No doubt that led to the
beginning post in this thread. The COHO was one I could not get close
to on a few round trips - I should have known why. Next time I'll
arrive earlier and stay later. My disappointment was in part the
perceived bling, but more so the bikers mantra: "So many bikes, so
little time".

Marty

On Mar 2, 4:16 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:15 -0800, Kris wrote:
> > I'm the proud owner of the orange Coho "Roadie" frame that was on
> > display.  Charles did a great job and the Henry James lugs certainly
> > are "clean, simple, classic".
>
> Congratulations!

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:15 -0800, Kris wrote:
> I'm the proud owner of the orange Coho "Roadie" frame that was on
> display.  Charles did a great job and the Henry James lugs certainly
> are "clean, simple, classic".

Congratulations!



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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Kris]

I'm the proud owner of the orange Coho "Roadie" frame that was on
display.  Charles did a great job and the Henry James lugs certainly
are "clean, simple, classic".

On Mar 2, 9:51 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
>
> browsing the photos, I saw some great stuff from Chris King (Cielo),
> Zancanato, DeSalvo, CoHo, Alliance, and several others.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Michael_S]

I was looking over some of the later NAHBS photos in Flickr this
morning and found that some of the later posters were shooting more of
the Rivendellish stuff. I saw a lot of really nice bikes. It would
have been great to see all the beautiful work in person.

I'm already planning on driving down to see the San Diego show in
April. With two new bikes this year already I'm fairly certain my in-
house Financial auditor will question my motives.

~Mike~

On Mar 2, 8:11 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Mar 2, 10:35 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > I think that's great!  Rando/touring/country is a pretty small market, so
> > would be fantastic if more crabon cyclists turn back to steel for the racey
> > bikes.
>
> yeah, I think it's a positive trend too.  still kicking myself for not
> jumping on DeSalvo's 10th anniversary special last year  .$850 for
> screamin' road bike.  damn.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Patrick in VT]

On Mar 2, 10:35 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I think that's great!  Rando/touring/country is a pretty small market, so
> would be fantastic if more crabon cyclists turn back to steel for the racey
> bikes.

yeah, I think it's a positive trend too.  still kicking myself for not
jumping on DeSalvo's 10th anniversary special last year  .$850 for
screamin' road bike.  damn.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[cyclotourist]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Patrick in VT  wrote:

> On Mar 1, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> > Also notable that David Kirk--who articulates a vision of clean, simple,
> > classic, and yet modern lugged and brazed frames--won an award for frames
> > that stood as testimony to that vision.
>
> Kirk.  absolutely.  his cx bikes are at the top of my list.  and those
> fillets on his "raw" frame display sure looked nice.
>
> browsing the photos, I saw some great stuff from Chris King (Cielo),
> Zancanato, DeSalvo, CoHo, Alliance, and several others.
>
> Anyway, whereas rando/touring/countrybike stuff was front and center
> not too long ago, it's clear from this year's show that there is
> growing interest in cyclocross and maybe even steel road bikes.  there
> seemed to be a lot of "race" oriented bikes on the floor in Richmond,
> which obviously isn't everybody's cup of tea - but these bikes might
> just be the hot sellers this year for many builders, so  that is what
> was on display at NAHBS.
>
> --
>

I think that's great!  Rando/touring/country is a pretty small market, so
would be fantastic if more crabon cyclists turn back to steel for the racey
bikes.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Patrick in VT]

On Mar 1, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> Also notable that David Kirk--who articulates a vision of clean, simple,
> classic, and yet modern lugged and brazed frames--won an award for frames
> that stood as testimony to that vision.

Kirk.  absolutely.  his cx bikes are at the top of my list.  and those
fillets on his "raw" frame display sure looked nice.

browsing the photos, I saw some great stuff from Chris King (Cielo),
Zancanato, DeSalvo, CoHo, Alliance, and several others.

Anyway, whereas rando/touring/countrybike stuff was front and center
not too long ago, it's clear from this year's show that there is
growing interest in cyclocross and maybe even steel road bikes.  there
seemed to be a lot of "race" oriented bikes on the floor in Richmond,
which obviously isn't everybody's cup of tea - but these bikes might
just be the hot sellers this year for many builders, so  that is what
was on display at NAHBS.

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RE: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Frederick, Steve]

Nice bike--wanna sell that white Regal?  B-)

Steve

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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post


> I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> hence my recent purchase from
> De Rosa in Italy

I remember we discussed sizing a while back but did not know you went
ahead and bought the De Rosa.

Very nice.  Very classic Italian look.  Bet it rides like a dream.

On Mar 1, 2:37 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
> I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> hence my recent purchase from
> De Rosa in Italy
>
> http://www.wheelsofchance.org
>
> On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > Marty- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[usuk2007]

Joel,
Thanks. I ended up getting a 54 cm (c-c) frame as the seat tube length
and standover
height are the same as my 56cm Rambouillet, which fits perfectly. Of
course the Neo Primato's horizontal
top tube and lack of significant headtube extension mean that the
front end is quite a bit
lower than the RAM..very un-Rivish. I compensated by leaving the
steerer a little
Iong and installing some headset spacers so that I don't have
unsightly amounts of stem
showing. I asked for a threaded steerer and De Rosa said no problem so
I have a quill stem
and about 3 to 4cm of drop from the saddle (just like Eddy ;-) ), I'm
still dialing it it.
The bike is great fun to ride. It's 74 deg angles and 41cm chainstays
make quick and significantly
more nimble than the Ram, not better just a different sort of
experience. I built it
up with mostly DA 7800 components, a Velo-Orange Sugino Alpina crank
and a Brooks
Swift which blows away the Selle Royal I started with. Now that i have
the bag loops I
can see some saddlebag credit card touring in this bike's future.


On Mar 1, 4:16 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> > hence my recent purchase from
> > De Rosa in Italy
>
> I remember we discussed sizing a while back but did not know you went
> ahead and bought the De Rosa.
>
> Very nice.  Very classic Italian look.  Bet it rides like a dream.
>
> On Mar 1, 2:37 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> > hence my recent purchase from
> > De Rosa in Italy
>
> >http://www.wheelsofchance.org
>
> > On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > > Marty- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Wade Vidal]

that is one beautiful bike congrats
- Original Message - 
From: "usuk2007" 

To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:37 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post


I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
hence my recent purchase from
De Rosa in Italy

http://www.wheelsofchance.org

On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:

Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
peace of mind. Worked like a charm.

Marty


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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[benzzoy]

On Mar 1, 1:17 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > At first glance it might have the appearance of "Bling", but a closer look 
> > (which I had the pleasure to
> > do first-hand) reveals a lot more
>
> The race wheels distract, but if you just look at the frame, I agree,
> it has clean lines and good dimensions.

If it's the same bike (and I believe it is) the mirror image chinese
characters of the supposed owner's name is a major ugly distraction.
I certainly hope that wasn't intentional.

http://tinyurl.com/yk5m8u7

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[JoelMatthews]

> At first glance it might have the appearance of "Bling", but a closer look 
> (which I had the pleasure to
> do first-hand) reveals a lot more

The race wheels distract, but if you just look at the frame, I agree,
it has clean lines and good dimensions.

On Mar 1, 2:54 pm, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles"
 wrote:
> Actually, I think the judges agree that classic simplicity is best.
> After all, the Best of Show bike by Dave Wages really was a classic
> frame done in polished 953.  At first glance it might have the
> appearance of "Bling", but a closer look (which I had the pleasure to
> do first-hand) reveals a lot more:
>
> http://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/2010/02/2010-shimano-nahbs-award-w...
>
> As the article states, "Asked for the secret of the bike’s success,
> Wages said, 'It’s shiny but understated. I keep a classic look to my
> bikes and there’s no one element that draws attention to itself. The
> beauty is integral.'"
>
> Bryan
>
> On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > Marty- Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[JoelMatthews]

> I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> hence my recent purchase from
> De Rosa in Italy

I remember we discussed sizing a while back but did not know you went
ahead and bought the De Rosa.

Very nice.  Very classic Italian look.  Bet it rides like a dream.

On Mar 1, 2:37 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
> I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> hence my recent purchase from
> De Rosa in Italy
>
> http://www.wheelsofchance.org
>
> On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > Marty- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles]

Actually, I think the judges agree that classic simplicity is best.
After all, the Best of Show bike by Dave Wages really was a classic
frame done in polished 953.  At first glance it might have the
appearance of "Bling", but a closer look (which I had the pleasure to
do first-hand) reveals a lot more:

http://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/2010/02/2010-shimano-nahbs-award-winners/

As the article states, "Asked for the secret of the bike’s success,
Wages said, 'It’s shiny but understated. I keep a classic look to my
bikes and there’s no one element that draws attention to itself. The
beauty is integral.'"

Bryan


On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[usuk2007]

I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
hence my recent purchase from
De Rosa in Italy

http://www.wheelsofchance.org

On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[johnb]

It was my first NAHBS so maybe I was looking at it with different
eyes. There were definitely some over the top bikes there and some
racing bikes that did not interest me at all. But I got to see a lot
of bikes that I have seen pictures of and heard described in BQ or on
the web. ANT, Capricorn, Clockworks (sharing the booth with
Capricorn), Cielo (they were showing their bike from the Oregon
Manifest), Bilenky, Velo-Orange, Peter Mooney, and Banjo Brothers
stood out amongst the crowd. I found a builder right here in Baltimore
that I did not even know existed.

It looked like a good crowd on Saturday. In the afternoon it was
downright crowded in some of the booths. I thought that the Capricorn
rack/Bailey bag works bag was a great commuter/errand set up. Dromarti
was there with their beautiful classic cycling shoes. Lucky for me
they were just showing them...

I really enjoyed the show.

john

On Mar 1, 9:26 am, Marty  wrote:
> Agree with your thoughts Scott. There was plenty of good stuff there.
> Real good stuff. I understand why a show environment demands a glam
> factor well above the bar, and I was pleased to see some builders
> including some of the more grounded examples of their work in the mix.
> It was a little bunched up in many booths, and that made it more
> difficult to appreciate the good stuff when it was found -- but that's
> show biz. I'll be checking web sites for a more intimate look at what
> I may have missed.
>
> On Mar 1, 9:16 am, "Scott G."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dinucci won best lugged bike, simple long point lugs, very well
> > executed.
>
> > Tom Kellog had an elegantly detailed rando bike, well thought out
> > version
> > of a decaleur integrated into the rack, with a locking q/r.
>
> > Not every lugged bike was channeling Hetchins, I look on the bikes
> > as masterpieces in the old sense of the word, showing what they can
> > do,
> > with a bit of show to catch the eye of the punters. Not what you would
> > order for an everyday bike.
>
> > I came home from the show to the Bicycling mag buyers guide.
> > Think of someone has been looking at Bicycling for their view
> > of what a bike is, vs. what they see at NAHBS. That there is
> > a world of bikes that is not defined by lighter/stiffer than last
> > years bike. To see the wonderful diversity of peoples vision
> > of bikes, that is what makes the show for me.

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[It Depends]

His city bike also won the "people's choice" award, or whatever they
called the one that was voted by attendees.  And it deserved the honor
-- flamboyant, yes, but amazingly well designed and fabulously
executed.  I actually preferred his coupled 650B rando bike, but the
city bike too was flawless.  (And both were built for customers, BTW,
neither was a "show bike.")  First time I had ever seen any of Yip's
bikes in person and I was wowed.  If I were in the market for a
custom, I'd definitely give him a call.

On Feb 28, 9:34 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Oh, and adding to what I write above, just saw at the NAHBS site where
> that over the top Yipsan won Best City Bike:
>
> http://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/2010/02/2010-shimano-nahbs-award-w...
>
> Bling works.
>
> On Feb 28, 8:30 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > I love looking at all the bikes at the shows.  Although I get most of them
> > confused by the end of the day though!
>
> > But yeah, they are "show bikes."  Sort of like the concept cars they roll
> > out at car shows to get attention and create a buzz.  Also to highlight the
> > builder's skill.  (I love car shows, too!)
>
> > It would be interesting to know how many sales are generated directly from
> > the National as well as the smaller shows.  I read somewhere that a booth
> > cost $1,000 at the NAHBS, not to mention transporting everything there and
> > housing.  Quite an investment for those showing their wares.
>
> > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:17 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > Well, I certainly share your taste in bikes.  For the most part I
> > > prefer darker, somber colored bikes with classic silver components.
>
> > > But I have a hard time faulting the over the top designs at bike
> > > shows.  The bike builders are business people.  Assuming bike building
> > > is their day job, they would have to sell at minimum at three bikes a
> > > month to make anywhere near a decent living.
>
> > > Much as many of us prefer simplicity, the fact is, loud gets
> > > attention.  Case in point: I went to NAHBS in Indianapolis last year.
> > > One of my favorite booths was Yipsan where the builder had a classic
> > > road bike, a functional cross bike and another nice quiet ride.  I did
> > > not bring a camera to the show, so I spent some time on line looking
> > > for uploaded photos.  It took quite some time and hunting about.  It
> > > appears Yipsan got the message, as this year as his rather flamboyant
> > > mixte and rando are on multiple Flickr collections already, and the
> > > show is not even over.
>
> > > I do not know whether the attention will garner Yipsan more orders
> > > this year than last, but suspect it will.  One hopes the customers
> > > chose a more staid design.
>
> > > On Feb 28, 6:41 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> > > > I attended the NAHBS in San Jose three years ago and had the exact
> > > > same reaction.  Give me simplicity and ridden-everyday beausage over
> > > > technical cleverness and high polish any day.
>
> > > > On Feb 28, 4:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > > > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > > > > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > > > > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > > > > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > > > > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > > > > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > > > > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > > > > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > > > > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > > > > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > > > > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > > > > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > > > > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > > > > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > > > > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > > > > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > > > > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > > > > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > > > > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > > > > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > > > > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > > > > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > > > > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > > > > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > > > > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > >

[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Marty]

Agree with your thoughts Scott. There was plenty of good stuff there.
Real good stuff. I understand why a show environment demands a glam
factor well above the bar, and I was pleased to see some builders
including some of the more grounded examples of their work in the mix.
It was a little bunched up in many booths, and that made it more
difficult to appreciate the good stuff when it was found -- but that's
show biz. I'll be checking web sites for a more intimate look at what
I may have missed.

On Mar 1, 9:16 am, "Scott G."  wrote:
> Dinucci won best lugged bike, simple long point lugs, very well
> executed.
>
> Tom Kellog had an elegantly detailed rando bike, well thought out
> version
> of a decaleur integrated into the rack, with a locking q/r.
>
> Not every lugged bike was channeling Hetchins, I look on the bikes
> as masterpieces in the old sense of the word, showing what they can
> do,
> with a bit of show to catch the eye of the punters. Not what you would
> order for an everyday bike.
>
> I came home from the show to the Bicycling mag buyers guide.
> Think of someone has been looking at Bicycling for their view
> of what a bike is, vs. what they see at NAHBS. That there is
> a world of bikes that is not defined by lighter/stiffer than last
> years bike. To see the wonderful diversity of peoples vision
> of bikes, that is what makes the show for me.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Scott G.]

Dinucci won best lugged bike, simple long point lugs, very well
executed.

Tom Kellog had an elegantly detailed rando bike, well thought out
version
of a decaleur integrated into the rack, with a locking q/r.

Not every lugged bike was channeling Hetchins, I look on the bikes
as masterpieces in the old sense of the word, showing what they can
do,
with a bit of show to catch the eye of the punters. Not what you would
order for an everyday bike.

I came home from the show to the Bicycling mag buyers guide.
Think of someone has been looking at Bicycling for their view
of what a bike is, vs. what they see at NAHBS. That there is
a world of bikes that is not defined by lighter/stiffer than last
years bike. To see the wonderful diversity of peoples vision
of bikes, that is what makes the show for me.

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[JoelMatthews]

Well, I do not swoon at over the top paint and add on, and certainly
do not have racing saddles on any of my bikes.  But my everyday bike
is a custom from one of the builders at the show.  As it is the bike I
ride the most, I want it to be somewhat special.

On Mar 1, 6:33 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 01:56 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 16:32 -0800, Marty wrote:
> > >> Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > >> there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > >> disappointed. Too much bling for me.
>
> > > Funny, that's just how I felt, too.  I was glad I went, but I didn't see
> > > anything that would have tempted me to swap for anything I own.  I saw
> > > many more at the Cirque that I liked a lot and that moved me deeply.
>
> > Some of the bikes from ant, banjo bicycles and at least one of the
> > bikes from capricorn would have thinking.
>
> I found that super-wide tired Big Dummy longtail at Banjo entertaining,
> but I thought it would have been better painted in olive drab and
> furnished with a pedestal for a .30 cal. air cooled machine gun.  I
> can't imagine living in a place where I'd need a bike like that for a
> year-round commuter.
>
> Do you have any bikes in the fleet at present that were like the ones
> you saw that had you thinking?
>
> I saw some nice city bike/porteurs, but I thought they were all very
> much over the top for that application and often ill equipped for the
> real job.  For example, the Vanilla had a narrow racing saddle - hardly
> what would work for me!  Besides, who would dream of leaving one of
> those, fancy and expensive as they all were, locked up outside the drug
> store or the supermarket?  No way!  The VO Polyvalent, sure; that's a
> proper city bike, just like my Kogswell P/R.  - Hide quoted text -
>
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[Esteban]

Interesting...  Part of the logic of the San Diego custom show is to
feature framebuilders of all experience levels.
There was a lot of interesting stuff last year, including lowrider
bikes fashioned by the kids.

On Feb 28, 7:48 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> On Feb 28, 7:15 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 16:32 -0800, Marty wrote:
> > > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > > disappointed. Too much bling for me.
>
> > Funny, that's just how I felt, too.  I was glad I went, but I didn't see
> > anything that would have tempted me to swap for anything I own.  I saw
> > many more at the Cirque that I liked a lot and that moved me deeply.

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[Mike]

Agreed.

On Feb 28, 7:15 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 16:32 -0800, Marty wrote:
> > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > disappointed. Too much bling for me.
>
> Funny, that's just how I felt, too.  I was glad I went, but I didn't see
> anything that would have tempted me to swap for anything I own.  I saw
> many more at the Cirque that I liked a lot and that moved me deeply.

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[JoelMatthews]

Oh, and adding to what I write above, just saw at the NAHBS site where
that over the top Yipsan won Best City Bike:

http://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/2010/02/2010-shimano-nahbs-award-winners/

Bling works.

On Feb 28, 8:30 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I love looking at all the bikes at the shows.  Although I get most of them
> confused by the end of the day though!
>
> But yeah, they are "show bikes."  Sort of like the concept cars they roll
> out at car shows to get attention and create a buzz.  Also to highlight the
> builder's skill.  (I love car shows, too!)
>
> It would be interesting to know how many sales are generated directly from
> the National as well as the smaller shows.  I read somewhere that a booth
> cost $1,000 at the NAHBS, not to mention transporting everything there and
> housing.  Quite an investment for those showing their wares.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:17 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > Well, I certainly share your taste in bikes.  For the most part I
> > prefer darker, somber colored bikes with classic silver components.
>
> > But I have a hard time faulting the over the top designs at bike
> > shows.  The bike builders are business people.  Assuming bike building
> > is their day job, they would have to sell at minimum at three bikes a
> > month to make anywhere near a decent living.
>
> > Much as many of us prefer simplicity, the fact is, loud gets
> > attention.  Case in point: I went to NAHBS in Indianapolis last year.
> > One of my favorite booths was Yipsan where the builder had a classic
> > road bike, a functional cross bike and another nice quiet ride.  I did
> > not bring a camera to the show, so I spent some time on line looking
> > for uploaded photos.  It took quite some time and hunting about.  It
> > appears Yipsan got the message, as this year as his rather flamboyant
> > mixte and rando are on multiple Flickr collections already, and the
> > show is not even over.
>
> > I do not know whether the attention will garner Yipsan more orders
> > this year than last, but suspect it will.  One hopes the customers
> > chose a more staid design.
>
> > On Feb 28, 6:41 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> > > I attended the NAHBS in San Jose three years ago and had the exact
> > > same reaction.  Give me simplicity and ridden-everyday beausage over
> > > technical cleverness and high polish any day.
>
> > > On Feb 28, 4:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > > > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > > > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > > > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > > > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > > > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > > > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > > > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > > > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > > > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > > > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > > > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > > > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > > > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > > > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > > > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > > > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > > > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > > > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > > > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > > > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > > > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > > > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > > > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > > > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > > > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > > > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > > > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > > > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > > > Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[cyclotourist]

I love looking at all the bikes at the shows.  Although I get most of them
confused by the end of the day though!

But yeah, they are "show bikes."  Sort of like the concept cars they roll
out at car shows to get attention and create a buzz.  Also to highlight the
builder's skill.  (I love car shows, too!)

It would be interesting to know how many sales are generated directly from
the National as well as the smaller shows.  I read somewhere that a booth
cost $1,000 at the NAHBS, not to mention transporting everything there and
housing.  Quite an investment for those showing their wares.



On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:17 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:

> Well, I certainly share your taste in bikes.  For the most part I
> prefer darker, somber colored bikes with classic silver components.
>
> But I have a hard time faulting the over the top designs at bike
> shows.  The bike builders are business people.  Assuming bike building
> is their day job, they would have to sell at minimum at three bikes a
> month to make anywhere near a decent living.
>
> Much as many of us prefer simplicity, the fact is, loud gets
> attention.  Case in point: I went to NAHBS in Indianapolis last year.
> One of my favorite booths was Yipsan where the builder had a classic
> road bike, a functional cross bike and another nice quiet ride.  I did
> not bring a camera to the show, so I spent some time on line looking
> for uploaded photos.  It took quite some time and hunting about.  It
> appears Yipsan got the message, as this year as his rather flamboyant
> mixte and rando are on multiple Flickr collections already, and the
> show is not even over.
>
> I do not know whether the attention will garner Yipsan more orders
> this year than last, but suspect it will.  One hopes the customers
> chose a more staid design.
>
> On Feb 28, 6:41 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> > I attended the NAHBS in San Jose three years ago and had the exact
> > same reaction.  Give me simplicity and ridden-everyday beausage over
> > technical cleverness and high polish any day.
> >
> > On Feb 28, 4:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
> >
> > > Marty
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[JoelMatthews]

Well, I certainly share your taste in bikes.  For the most part I
prefer darker, somber colored bikes with classic silver components.

But I have a hard time faulting the over the top designs at bike
shows.  The bike builders are business people.  Assuming bike building
is their day job, they would have to sell at minimum at three bikes a
month to make anywhere near a decent living.

Much as many of us prefer simplicity, the fact is, loud gets
attention.  Case in point: I went to NAHBS in Indianapolis last year.
One of my favorite booths was Yipsan where the builder had a classic
road bike, a functional cross bike and another nice quiet ride.  I did
not bring a camera to the show, so I spent some time on line looking
for uploaded photos.  It took quite some time and hunting about.  It
appears Yipsan got the message, as this year as his rather flamboyant
mixte and rando are on multiple Flickr collections already, and the
show is not even over.

I do not know whether the attention will garner Yipsan more orders
this year than last, but suspect it will.  One hopes the customers
chose a more staid design.

On Feb 28, 6:41 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> I attended the NAHBS in San Jose three years ago and had the exact
> same reaction.  Give me simplicity and ridden-everyday beausage over
> technical cleverness and high polish any day.
>
> On Feb 28, 4:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > Marty

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[Jeremy Till]

I attended the NAHBS in San Jose three years ago and had the exact
same reaction.  Give me simplicity and ridden-everyday beausage over
technical cleverness and high polish any day.

On Feb 28, 4:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[JoelMatthews]

Doug:

Almost certain it is the AirCaddy Bill links above.

On Dec 24, 12:46 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> That sounds fantastic - please try to remember the name of the service &
> post.  
>
> Packing & re-assembling the bike is always a challenge.  I urge people to do
> it themselves so they know how to at the other end.  But just popping it
> into a box & picking up at the destination city is probably worth $100 each
> way.  
>
> dougP
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:29 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis
>
> There is a service that makes a special bike box and ships Fedex store
> to Fedex store in the lower 48.  I think they are looking at expanding
> over seas but have not got the numbers to work yet.  Forget the name,
> but I saw someone who used it last summer.  The boxes are very well
> designed.  You do not have to take the pedals off or turn the bars.
> There is room in the box for packs.- Hide quoted text -
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