[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Sean on Bike]

Wow, my post gathered some great advice including that from Peter White, 
I'm honored to say. So, I ordered a Velo Orange Grand Cru from our local 
bike shop today which will be an upgrade, just like you recommended 
Michael. The only good thing about repairs is the chance to upgrade, right? 

Thanks everyone, for your great insights. I will attempt to keep the rubber 
side down and wish the same for you.

Peace, Sean



On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[eddietheflay]

FSA Duron look fine, work fine too:

http://www.amazon.com/FSA-Duron-Threaded-Headset/dp/B00U92VDLE

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[David Person]

It's too late for me to offer you advice as I see you've placed an order 
for a VO headset.  I did want to comment that I've been pleased with the 
FSA Duron-X that came installed on the Sam Hillborne frame I purchased last 
year from Rivendell.

David Person

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Sean on Bike]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm honored that Peter White chimed in and 
learned a lot from his comment. I asked my bike shop to order me a Velo 
Orange Grand Cru based on several good reviews. I'm looking forward to the 
upgrade from the generic one it replaces. As Michael suggested, the one 
good thing about repairs is the opportunity to upgrade.

Wish you all well,
Sean in Eden Prairie




On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[ascpgh]

I'm usually in the camp of face and mill the head tube for a headset camp, 
but I also still have the original Ultegra PJW refers to in my orange 
Rambouillet, not even close to having any measure of wear. If I had a CK 
sitting in my tool chest waiting this might be different.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:14:42 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> +1 on the Chris King/Frame prep requirement. I just had the head tube on a 
> new frame faced in anticipation of a King headset.
>
> I've had good luck with the lower-end Cane Creek models as well.
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>>
>> The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
>> machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
>> still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
>> apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
>> headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>>
>>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 
>>> Cane Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as 
>>> they all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle 
>>> bearing Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Peter White]

I will. Thanks!

PJW

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Justin August 
wrote:

> Peter-
> They started it up again! Gravel & Grind sells them, as does Rivelo and a
> few others. I'd reach out to Grant and ask.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd recommend Ultegra

ebay link 




On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Ryan Fleming]

YupCK headsets do require some prep and special tools...but then it's 
pretty much set and forget

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:14:42 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> +1 on the Chris King/Frame prep requirement. I just had the head tube on a 
> new frame faced in anticipation of a King headset.
>
> I've had good luck with the lower-end Cane Creek models as well.
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>>
>> The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
>> machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
>> still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
>> apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
>> headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>>
>>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 
>>> Cane Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as 
>>> they all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle 
>>> bearing Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Justin August]

Peter-
They started it up again! Gravel & Grind sells them, as does Rivelo and a 
few others. I'd reach out to Grant and ask.

-J

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 6:59:37 AM UTC-7, Peter White wrote:
>
> No headset will last if the head tube isn't properly machined. When I was 
> selling Rivendell frames many customers would ask to have a King headset 
> installed. I was selling the Rambouillet, Atlantis and A Homer Hilsens. 
> Early frames shipped with a Tange headset, and later frames with a Shimano 
> Ultegra. With the Tange headset they were never smooth so I yanked them, 
> machined the head tubes and installed better headsets, usually a Shimano or 
> King. I didn't bother machining a frame that shipped with the Ultegra 
> headset since they are quite forgiving of a less than perfectly machined 
> head tube. My own Rambouillet and Linda's Atlantis still have their 
> original Ultegra headsets and are doing fine after many years and miles. 
> But if you take out the Ultegra headset and install a King it will not run 
> smoothly, at least on the frames of that vintage, which were all made in 
> Japan. They must be precisely machined to work with a King headset. I can't 
> speak to the later American built frames, since I never sold any.
>
> By the way, I only stopped selling their frames because they stopped 
> offering them to other shops. I'm a huge fan and wish I could sell them 
> again.
>
> PJW
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Philip Kim  > wrote:
>
>> cane creek 110 is very good.
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>
>>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 
>>> Cane Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as 
>>> they all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle 
>>> bearing Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[RichS]

Jack, I've also used the this VO headset for four years. No complaints.

Richard

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 1:06:41 AM UTC-4, Jack B wrote:
>
> I have had pretty good luck with this VO sealed headset for $52:
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/headsets/grand-cru-1-sealed-bearing-headset.html
>
> -JB
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>
>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>
>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
>> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
>> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
>> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>
>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>
>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Mark Reimer]

+1 on the Chris King/Frame prep requirement. I just had the head tube on a 
new frame faced in anticipation of a King headset.

I've had good luck with the lower-end Cane Creek models as well.

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>
> The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
> machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
> still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
> apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
> headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>
>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>
>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
>> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
>> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
>> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>
>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>
>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Peter White]

No headset will last if the head tube isn't properly machined. When I was
selling Rivendell frames many customers would ask to have a King headset
installed. I was selling the Rambouillet, Atlantis and A Homer Hilsens.
Early frames shipped with a Tange headset, and later frames with a Shimano
Ultegra. With the Tange headset they were never smooth so I yanked them,
machined the head tubes and installed better headsets, usually a Shimano or
King. I didn't bother machining a frame that shipped with the Ultegra
headset since they are quite forgiving of a less than perfectly machined
head tube. My own Rambouillet and Linda's Atlantis still have their
original Ultegra headsets and are doing fine after many years and miles.
But if you take out the Ultegra headset and install a King it will not run
smoothly, at least on the frames of that vintage, which were all made in
Japan. They must be precisely machined to work with a King headset. I can't
speak to the later American built frames, since I never sold any.

By the way, I only stopped selling their frames because they stopped
offering them to other shops. I'm a huge fan and wish I could sell them
again.

PJW

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> cane creek 110 is very good.
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode
>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to
>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and
>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>
>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane
>> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they
>> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing
>> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock.
>>
>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a
>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>
>> Sean in Eden Prairie
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Philip Kim]

cane creek 110 is very good.

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Garth]

   A Tange Levin CDS 26.4 steel headset is $20-25 , or even the Alu version 
for a bit more, both with super polished races and a sealed mechanism.  
Classic !  Get them online everywhere .  The thing with boutique parts is 
they often require boutique tools, parts or service, now and or later.  
P-I-Arse   ahahahaahahaha !  



On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[kielsun]

In my non-expert personal experience, Tange headsets last for a very long 
time. Five years for an improperly installed $30 headset is pretty damn 
good. Get a new one installed properly and you'll get plenty more.

Bob 

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Michael Hechmer]

Sean, it appears you have had one of those learning experiences that we all 
go through with bike wrenching.  I myself have become ever more adept at 
finding new ways to do it wrong.  That said, one guideline and one point of 
experience.  If you intend to keep the bike (car or any other machine) for 
the indefinite future always replace a failed part with one of higher 
quality.  I have both  Cane Creek & Chris King HSs, and they are both very 
good.  A good HS, properly installed should last a very, very long time. 
 Every once in awhile I test mine by locking the brake and rocking the 
fork, but they rarely need any attention.

Michael

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Jack B]

I have had pretty good luck with this VO sealed headset for $52:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/headsets/grand-cru-1-sealed-bearing-headset.html

-JB

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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