[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Yep...decided not to crimp. Too risky just for a tread pattern. I happily ran my old 37 paselas, some Bontrager marathon-ish style, and Schwalbe delta cruisers all in rough terrain with not too much hassle. It wasnt the extra volume/width I was after but the smooth round profile WITH deep reverse tread that the BG offered. That combo works great on the pavement and even better in the dirt. Especially mid summer when the trails turn to small gravel swimming in 4 of loose powdery dirt. The RnRs measured out to 45 at the outside of the knobs. That on a 25mm Mavic A319 rim. On Friday, March 28, 2014 9:54:30 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Interesting... hadn't seen one of those brazed, non-KSP Hilsens before. Yeah - I'm with the others who said there are plenty of voluminous tires with knibbly tread, other rim options and in general, another way to gain max volume without resorting to crimping. What was the mic'd measurement of those tires, BTW? - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
I have a set of BG Rock n roads. Mine measure 43.4 mm on DT Swiss 19.0 mm wide rims. ~mike Carlsbad Ca On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:54:30 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Interesting... hadn't seen one of those brazed, non-KSP Hilsens before. Yeah - I'm with the others who said there are plenty of voluminous tires with knibbly tread, other rim options and in general, another way to gain max volume without resorting to crimping. What was the mic'd measurement of those tires, BTW? - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Interesting... hadn't seen one of those brazed, non-KSP Hilsens before. Yeah - I'm with the others who said there are plenty of voluminous tires with knibbly tread, other rim options and in general, another way to gain max volume without resorting to crimping. What was the mic'd measurement of those tires, BTW? - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
I've become a big fan of the MSOs. Measured 38 when I put them on, nice cushy ride, but pretty fast, actually very fast. Pardon me while I make monster truck noises riding around cc On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:14 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: At some point in our evolution/aging we started putting kixtand plates on all-but-the-Roadeo. You got one PKP, is all. The AHH generally clears a listed 40 (L40) with a fender, and for years I rode LISTED 47s (L47). It's a rare tire that measures up to its listing, and rim width affect it a little, but I buhlieve todos de los Homeros will take most of the L40s,,,which is pretty remarkable for such a roadish bike. Whatever tire any given frame maxes out at, there seems to be a primal urge to shoe it with a tire that simply exceeds this capacity. We do it here, too. There's a Cheviot here with a L45 knobby, and we've put an L50 no fender on a Betty. Fenders and fender skills also affect tire clearance. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:23:39 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote: Wellsometimes the best laid plans are just to no avail. Out of completely serendipitous luck the timing of my AR trade for Hilsen offer hooked me up with the original AR owner into a 3 way transaction with a 57 hilsen sale that popped up the same day. Trade went off smooth and with a couple confirmed Hilsen / RnR combos on the board I ordered the tires too. I finally had time tonight to get one mounted on the rear wheel and stick it in the frameunfortunately THIS was the scene.https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/13437448284/ Basically touching both chain stays. This Hilsen is a waterford built model with a brazed in chainstay bridge as opposed to a kickstand plate. Curious if that variation has any affect on clearance, or if some have crimped stays, or if size is a factor? Looks like I have 2 options: Somewhat risky: crimp the stays. (I DO have some experience with this, though with pre production frames.) Safe: give up on a voluminous knobby tire (Not the end of the world as I have been curious about the C-lines, however I took the fat paselas off my old Hilsen in search for a more aggressive tire...) I was so excited when I opened the box with the BGs...they are exactly what I had been hoping for in a tire. Sigh. I suppose I could always run them on my 29er. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Sorta curious if a 47cm Toyo AHH (without kickstand plate) could fit a 650b tire of similar girth to the RnRs. Does that even exist? Looking to go fatter. Perhaps I'll simply go back to Rumpkins. -coconut -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Evan, be on the lookout for the new 42mm Soma http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/02/22/soma-fab-hits-the-gravel-w-new-cazadero-low-profile-knobby-tires/http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/02/22/soma-fab-hits-the-gravel-w-new-cazadero-low-profile-knobby-tires/ should be available this summer I'm told. Hopefuly it will fit your bike and maybe the 700c version will fit bigger Hilsens. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:31:40 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote: Sorta curious if a 47cm Toyo AHH (without kickstand plate) could fit a 650b tire of similar girth to the RnRs. Does that even exist? Looking to go fatter. Perhaps I'll simply go back to Rumpkins. -coconut -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
another good option coming up is the 700 x 40 version of the WTB Nano Rapter http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2014/02/wtbs-new-nano-40c-tire-looks-cushy/http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2014/02/wtbs-new-nano-40c-tire-looks-cushy/ these look like they will be great tires. They have more outside knobs then larger original Nano so they will be better in corners. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
That Soma 650b gravel tire is on my radar for sure. If it actually happens it'll be on Homer in short order. ~Hugh Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving. -- Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: Evan, be on the lookout for the new 42mm Soma http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/02/22/soma-fab-hits-the-gravel-w-new-cazadero-low-profile-knobby-tires/http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/02/22/soma-fab-hits-the-gravel-w-new-cazadero-low-profile-knobby-tires/ should be available this summer I'm told. Hopefuly it will fit your bike and maybe the 700c version will fit bigger Hilsens. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:31:40 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote: Sorta curious if a 47cm Toyo AHH (without kickstand plate) could fit a 650b tire of similar girth to the RnRs. Does that even exist? Looking to go fatter. Perhaps I'll simply go back to Rumpkins. -coconut -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Rg-_DYA-sTU/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Man, if it were me I would certainly find a different tire before crimping the stays. There are plenty of good tires that would fit the Hilsen. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:23:39 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: Wellsometimes the best laid plans are just to no avail. Out of completely serendipitous luck the timing of my AR trade for Hilsen offer hooked me up with the original AR owner into a 3 way transaction with a 57 hilsen sale that popped up the same day. Trade went off smooth and with a couple confirmed Hilsen / RnR combos on the board I ordered the tires too. I finally had time tonight to get one mounted on the rear wheel and stick it in the frameunfortunately THIS was the scene.https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/13437448284/ Basically touching both chain stays. This Hilsen is a waterford built model with a brazed in chainstay bridge as opposed to a kickstand plate. Curious if that variation has any affect on clearance, or if some have crimped stays, or if size is a factor? Looks like I have 2 options: Somewhat risky: crimp the stays. (I DO have some experience with this, though with pre production frames.) Safe: give up on a voluminous knobby tire (Not the end of the world as I have been curious about the C-lines, however I took the fat paselas off my old Hilsen in search for a more aggressive tire...) I was so excited when I opened the box with the BGs...they are exactly what I had been hoping for in a tire. Sigh. I suppose I could always run them on my 29er. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Can gravel tires do mud or do they instantly explode? ;-) On Mar 27, 2014 1:28 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote: Man, if it were me I would certainly find a different tire before crimping the stays. There are plenty of good tires that would fit the Hilsen. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:23:39 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: Wellsometimes the best laid plans are just to no avail. Out of completely serendipitous luck the timing of my AR trade for Hilsen offer hooked me up with the original AR owner into a 3 way transaction with a 57 hilsen sale that popped up the same day. Trade went off smooth and with a couple confirmed Hilsen / RnR combos on the board I ordered the tires too. I finally had time tonight to get one mounted on the rear wheel and stick it in the frameunfortunately THIS was the scene.https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/13437448284/ Basically touching both chain stays. This Hilsen is a waterford built model with a brazed in chainstay bridge as opposed to a kickstand plate. Curious if that variation has any affect on clearance, or if some have crimped stays, or if size is a factor? Looks like I have 2 options: Somewhat risky: crimp the stays. (I DO have some experience with this, though with pre production frames.) Safe: give up on a voluminous knobby tire (Not the end of the world as I have been curious about the C-lines, however I took the fat paselas off my old Hilsen in search for a more aggressive tire...) I was so excited when I opened the box with the BGs...they are exactly what I had been hoping for in a tire. Sigh. I suppose I could always run them on my 29er. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
I'd rather give up the tire, than irrevocably de-value the frame, and maybe mess up the intended ride characteristics of the frame by crimping. Maybe even be ruining the alignment of the frame unless you get exactly identical crimps going on both stays? I am no frame expert, though. Maybe someone else can chime in to confirm that crimping would do all this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
+1 on not crimping. And I'm no frame expert either. I'd be wary of devaluing the frame set. ~Hugh On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:04:56 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: I'd rather give up the tire, than irrevocably de-value the frame, and maybe mess up the intended ride characteristics of the frame by crimping. Maybe even be ruining the alignment of the frame unless you get exactly identical crimps going on both stays? I am no frame expert, though. Maybe someone else can chime in to confirm that crimping would do all this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
Here's a recent thread on tires: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/5gXSe_HmWRc Lots of good suggestions in the 40-45 mm width range. Looks like you are oh-so-close. Maybe one of those listed will squeeze in without having to get out the hammer. Didn't Rivendell have a Continental CX tire? Or maybe the Clement MSO? I have the C-lines on my Atlantis really like the ride, but plan to be quite careful off-road. Rob at Ocean Air swears he's abused them with no ill effect and I believe him. But it's still a street tread with supple sidewalls (why they ride so well) so I'll likely put my Schwalbe tank treads on for a serious off-road excursions. dougP On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:23:39 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote: Wellsometimes the best laid plans are just to no avail. Out of completely serendipitous luck the timing of my AR trade for Hilsen offer hooked me up with the original AR owner into a 3 way transaction with a 57 hilsen sale that popped up the same day. Trade went off smooth and with a couple confirmed Hilsen / RnR combos on the board I ordered the tires too. I finally had time tonight to get one mounted on the rear wheel and stick it in the frameunfortunately THIS was the scene.https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/13437448284/ Basically touching both chain stays. This Hilsen is a waterford built model with a brazed in chainstay bridge as opposed to a kickstand plate. Curious if that variation has any affect on clearance, or if some have crimped stays, or if size is a factor? Looks like I have 2 options: Somewhat risky: crimp the stays. (I DO have some experience with this, though with pre production frames.) Safe: give up on a voluminous knobby tire (Not the end of the world as I have been curious about the C-lines, however I took the fat paselas off my old Hilsen in search for a more aggressive tire...) I was so excited when I opened the box with the BGs...they are exactly what I had been hoping for in a tire. Sigh. I suppose I could always run them on my 29er. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not all Hilsens are created equal...BG RnR clearance fail
At some point in our evolution/aging we started putting kixtand plates on all-but-the-Roadeo. You got one PKP, is all. The AHH generally clears a listed 40 (L40) with a fender, and for years I rode LISTED 47s (L47). It's a rare tire that measures up to its listing, and rim width affect it a little, but I buhlieve todos de los Homeros will take most of the L40s,,,which is pretty remarkable for such a roadish bike. Whatever tire any given frame maxes out at, there seems to be a primal urge to shoe it with a tire that simply exceeds this capacity. We do it here, too. There's a Cheviot here with a L45 knobby, and we've put an L50 no fender on a Betty. Fenders and fender skills also affect tire clearance. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:23:39 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote: Wellsometimes the best laid plans are just to no avail. Out of completely serendipitous luck the timing of my AR trade for Hilsen offer hooked me up with the original AR owner into a 3 way transaction with a 57 hilsen sale that popped up the same day. Trade went off smooth and with a couple confirmed Hilsen / RnR combos on the board I ordered the tires too. I finally had time tonight to get one mounted on the rear wheel and stick it in the frameunfortunately THIS was the scene.https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/13437448284/ Basically touching both chain stays. This Hilsen is a waterford built model with a brazed in chainstay bridge as opposed to a kickstand plate. Curious if that variation has any affect on clearance, or if some have crimped stays, or if size is a factor? Looks like I have 2 options: Somewhat risky: crimp the stays. (I DO have some experience with this, though with pre production frames.) Safe: give up on a voluminous knobby tire (Not the end of the world as I have been curious about the C-lines, however I took the fat paselas off my old Hilsen in search for a more aggressive tire...) I was so excited when I opened the box with the BGs...they are exactly what I had been hoping for in a tire. Sigh. I suppose I could always run them on my 29er. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
