[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Ash]

Excellent solution!  A very 'accessible' one!


On Monday, 10 September 2018 14:52:12 UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Vincent, 
>
> I've avoided a permanent basket mounting with a John's Irish strap.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16159037984/in/dateposted-public/ 
>  
> This is the way I used to strap it to the front rack.  Now I attach it the 
> same way but cross the strap underneath between the basket and fender.  It 
> seems to hold it a little more snug since all the forces are pulling in on 
> the rack.  I'd like to work out a quick release attachment like Clayton 
> worked out but this has been working well enough for my needs and it's easy 
> enough to put on and take off.
>
> Hope that helps.
> John
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:47:46 PM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
>> practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack 
>> in back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 
>>
>> Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would 
>> make a good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way 
>> it can be removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but 
>> I’m curious if any one else has. 
>>
>> I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Surlyprof]

Vincent, 

I've avoided a permanent basket mounting with a John's Irish 
strap.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16159037984/in/dateposted-public/  
This is the way I used to strap it to the front rack.  Now I attach it the 
same way but cross the strap underneath between the basket and fender.  It 
seems to hold it a little more snug since all the forces are pulling in on 
the rack.  I'd like to work out a quick release attachment like Clayton 
worked out but this has been working well enough for my needs and it's easy 
enough to put on and take off.

Hope that helps.
John

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:47:46 PM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
> practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack 
> in back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 
>
> Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would 
> make a good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way 
> it can be removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but 
> I’m curious if any one else has. 
>
> I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Vincent Tamer]

Hey Justin, what length of Voile straps do you use? It’s a wald 137 you are 
attaching?

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Ash]

Hi Roberta,  with this mechanism, the basket is wobbly by nature.  Feels 
like it may fall off, but it hasn't.   I think it will be fine for 10 lbs 
or so cargo (a little more maybe, on wider racks)  as long as you slow down 
on bumps.  

Here's a picture from when I had loaded it with two 6-packs and a few more 
things.  https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcVf21fG8SUcV8Hr9

It was 5-mile ride from the store.  It held up fine.



On Sunday, 2 September 2018 07:01:50 UTC-7, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> Ash,
>
> Do the springs hold the basket tightly to the rack?  Do you ever feel that 
> going over a big bump could dislodge it?  
>
> Roberta
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 12:48:30 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
>>
>> Public bikes makes a basket with clasp mechanism based on spring tension. 
>>  Pictures attached.  I use this when I have more cargo than the front 
>> Wald's basket on Mark's rack can handle.  It is fine for light grocery runs 
>> on low speeds.  
>>
>> Nowhere as solid as Wald's rack attached to the rack with zip ties/straps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:47:46 UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
>>> practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack 
>>> in back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 
>>>
>>> Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would 
>>> make a good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way 
>>> it can be removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but 
>>> I’m curious if any one else has. 
>>>
>>> I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[REC (Roberta)]

Ash,

Do the springs hold the basket tightly to the rack?  Do you ever feel that 
going over a big bump could dislodge it?  

Roberta

On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 12:48:30 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:

>
> Public bikes makes a basket with clasp mechanism based on spring tension. 
>  Pictures attached.  I use this when I have more cargo than the front 
> Wald's basket on Mark's rack can handle.  It is fine for light grocery runs 
> on low speeds.  
>
> Nowhere as solid as Wald's rack attached to the rack with zip ties/straps.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:47:46 UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
>> practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack 
>> in back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 
>>
>> Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would 
>> make a good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way 
>> it can be removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but 
>> I’m curious if any one else has. 
>>
>> I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for all the support everyone.  I am blushing.  Trying to invent new 
simple stuff for my weird cycling world is very hard but rewarding.  Hopefully, 
some of my ideas will inspire others to invent and make their own gear.  The 
Stuinniker bags with their tool box buckles,  are ninety five percent 
developed. There are a few little details I’d like to fix, but not enough to 
make a whole new kit. 

Thanks again.
Clayton
#DirtDanceDesigns.   

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Bill Lindsay]

OK, since nobody explained it, I managed to view  the .gif video on my 
phone.  There's a clip wrapped around the top of the tombstone and a QR 
clip permanently attached to the front face of the Wald basket. You 
presumably insert the rack in place under the fixed tombstone clip, and 
then lock it in place with the QR clip. I like it a lot as a diy-project. 
If I were Clayton, I would similarly have little interest in trying to 
manufacture it for others. 

A theoretical 'run' of a product like this would be made for one model of 
Wald basket to fit one model of front rack. A product made for just that 
combination would still need some non-trivial installation effort on the 
part of the end-user. If the basket sagged or bent at all in use, the QR 
clippy part might need to be adjusted. I'd be nervous offering this product 
to non-mechanically-inclined end users who don't have the mechanical 
instincts to detect when it's getting loose and the risk of it popping 
itself off is getting more likely. People building it themselves puts them 
in a better position to take responsibility for themselves. If it's too 
much trouble to make your own, then you probably don't really need it.

It's super clever, though.  I "never" remove my baskets, so I'm good with 
zipties

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:55:00 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Can somebody explain to me what I'm looking at with Clayton's design? I a 
> static image in the instagram link posted above. I see a loop of metal that 
> is permanently wrapped around the top of the tombstone, and appears to be 
> temporarily clippable onto the top rail of a Wald basket.  Is that the 
> entirety of the design?  Or am I missing the rest of it?  The instagram 
> link has a triangular play arrow but it's not playing on my Ubuntu/Firefox 
> machine.  Is there a video tour of other components?
>
> If that's the whole design, then 'someone do a run' would be cutting 
> strips of flat metal.  Each person would have to wrap it around their 
> tombstone, and cut and bend the shape for their basket.  
> If that's the whole design, what holds the body of the rack down?  If I 
> grab the front edge of Clayton's wald basket and yank it around, what keeps 
> it from pivoting around that clip?  Are there straps as well?  If there are 
> straps, then what is the clip needed for?
>
> Love the hacks but missing the whole story
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:04:08 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I'd love to see someone do a run of Clayton's basket buckler. Perhaps... 
>> Rivendell? 
>> That would be a seriously couture basket rack. Add a bail to the basket, 
>> and you could carry it into a store. 
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>
>> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>>
>>> Clayton’s thing is so good, and baskets are becoming so common, I wonder 
>>> if there isn’t a maker somewhere who would buy the design off of him. 
>>> As I recall, he said he isn’t much interested in manufacturing them 
>>> himself. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Justin, Oakland]

I use voille straps to attach it to my rack. Easy on. Easy off. One going side 
to side, woven through the various bars, one going front to back also woven. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[sameness]

Here's a link 

 
to the embedded .mp4 file.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:55:00 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Can somebody explain to me what I'm looking at with Clayton's design? I a 
> static image in the instagram link posted above. I see a loop of metal that 
> is permanently wrapped around the top of the tombstone, and appears to be 
> temporarily clippable onto the top rail of a Wald basket.  Is that the 
> entirety of the design?  Or am I missing the rest of it?  The instagram 
> link has a triangular play arrow but it's not playing on my Ubuntu/Firefox 
> machine.  Is there a video tour of other components?
>
> If that's the whole design, then 'someone do a run' would be cutting 
> strips of flat metal.  Each person would have to wrap it around their 
> tombstone, and cut and bend the shape for their basket.  
> If that's the whole design, what holds the body of the rack down?  If I 
> grab the front edge of Clayton's wald basket and yank it around, what keeps 
> it from pivoting around that clip?  Are there straps as well?  If there are 
> straps, then what is the clip needed for?
>
> Love the hacks but missing the whole story
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill:

I think there’s a whole different design for anybody who’s running Linux on 
their PC.

--Eric N

> On Aug 31, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Can somebody explain to me what I'm looking at with Clayton's design? I a 
> static image in the instagram link posted above. I see a loop of metal that 
> is permanently wrapped around the top of the tombstone, and appears to be 
> temporarily clippable onto the top rail of a Wald basket.  Is that the 
> entirety of the design?  Or am I missing the rest of it?  The instagram link 
> has a triangular play arrow but it's not playing on my Ubuntu/Firefox 
> machine.  Is there a video tour of other components?
> 
> If that's the whole design, then 'someone do a run' would be cutting strips 
> of flat metal.  Each person would have to wrap it around their tombstone, and 
> cut and bend the shape for their basket.  
> If that's the whole design, what holds the body of the rack down?  If I grab 
> the front edge of Clayton's wald basket and yank it around, what keeps it 
> from pivoting around that clip?  Are there straps as well?  If there are 
> straps, then what is the clip needed for?
> 
> Love the hacks but missing the whole story
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:04:08 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>> 
>> I'd love to see someone do a run of Clayton's basket buckler. Perhaps... 
>> Rivendell? 
>> That would be a seriously couture basket rack. Add a bail to the basket, and 
>> you could carry it into a store. 
>> 
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>> Clayton’s thing is so good, and baskets are becoming so common, I wonder if 
>>> there isn’t a maker somewhere who would buy the design off of him. 
>>> As I recall, he said he isn’t much interested in manufacturing them himself.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Bill Lindsay]

Can somebody explain to me what I'm looking at with Clayton's design? I a 
static image in the instagram link posted above. I see a loop of metal that 
is permanently wrapped around the top of the tombstone, and appears to be 
temporarily clippable onto the top rail of a Wald basket.  Is that the 
entirety of the design?  Or am I missing the rest of it?  The instagram 
link has a triangular play arrow but it's not playing on my Ubuntu/Firefox 
machine.  Is there a video tour of other components?

If that's the whole design, then 'someone do a run' would be cutting strips 
of flat metal.  Each person would have to wrap it around their tombstone, 
and cut and bend the shape for their basket.  
If that's the whole design, what holds the body of the rack down?  If I 
grab the front edge of Clayton's wald basket and yank it around, what keeps 
it from pivoting around that clip?  Are there straps as well?  If there are 
straps, then what is the clip needed for?

Love the hacks but missing the whole story

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:04:08 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I'd love to see someone do a run of Clayton's basket buckler. Perhaps... 
> Rivendell? 
> That would be a seriously couture basket rack. Add a bail to the basket, 
> and you could carry it into a store. 
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>
>> Clayton’s thing is so good, and baskets are becoming so common, I wonder 
>> if there isn’t a maker somewhere who would buy the design off of him. 
>> As I recall, he said he isn’t much interested in manufacturing them 
>> himself. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Philip Williamson]

I'd love to see someone do a run of Clayton's basket buckler. Perhaps... 
Rivendell? 
That would be a seriously couture basket rack. Add a bail to the basket, 
and you could carry it into a store. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> Clayton’s thing is so good, and baskets are becoming so common, I wonder 
> if there isn’t a maker somewhere who would buy the design off of him. 
> As I recall, he said he isn’t much interested in manufacturing them 
> himself. 

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Drw]

Clayton’s thing is so good, and baskets are becoming so common, I wonder if 
there isn’t a maker somewhere who would buy the design off of him. 
As I recall, he said he isn’t much interested in manufacturing them himself. 

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Jim M.]

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:47:46 PM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup?

 
I put my Wald on top of a CETMA Halfrack. The Halfrack attaches at the 
dropouts and brake bolt, so it's pretty easy to remove the whole thing when 
I don't want that much capacity.
 

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[phil k]

I admire all the creative things Clayton comes up with.

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:20:10 PM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Here is Clayton's quick release
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BikZT3rgWXx/?taken-by=dirtdancedesigns
>
> Hopefully the link works.
>
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:32:52 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> I have a quick release basket I made using a tool box buckle. You’ll have 
>> to dig around in my Instagram photos to find them, as I can’t seem to post 
>> photos here. It works great. I have been using it for years and am 
>> car-less, so it has seen a lot of use. 
>>
>> Clayton Bailey 
>> #DirtDanceDesigns 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Brad]

On one of my bikes I like to switch back and forth between a basket and a 
rando bag. I used zip ties for a long time, but it seemed wasteful to be 
cutting them off every few weeks. One of the bikey Instagram accounts I 
follow (I can't remember which one) showed someone attaching their rack by 
weaving an Arno strap (which is the same Irish straps) between the rack and 
the basket. The Arno straps are very solid and I carry heavy loads 
sometimes) Now that I've been doing it for a while, I can install the 
basket quickly. One caveat:  I'm using a Haulin Colin platform rack, so 
there's a lot of support for the basket.

Now I'm curious about the tool box buckle technique...

Brad
Queens

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:47:46 AM UTC-4, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
> practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack 
> in back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 
>
> Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would 
> make a good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way 
> it can be removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but 
> I’m curious if any one else has. 
>
> I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Wally Estrella]

Here is Clayton's quick release
https://www.instagram.com/p/BikZT3rgWXx/?taken-by=dirtdancedesigns

Hopefully the link works.

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:32:52 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>
> I have a quick release basket I made using a tool box buckle. You’ll have 
> to dig around in my Instagram photos to find them, as I can’t seem to post 
> photos here. It works great. I have been using it for years and am 
> car-less, so it has seen a lot of use. 
>
> Clayton Bailey 
> #DirtDanceDesigns 
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Philip Williamson]

I continue to be amazed by this awesome basket hack.  
Definitely worth the digging through Flickr or Insta for find it. 

I went the other way, and had my basket silver-brazed to the rack. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 8:32:52 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
> I have a quick release basket I made using a tool box buckle. You’ll have 
> to dig around in my Instagram photos to find them, as I can’t seem to post 
> photos here. It works great. I have been using it for years and am 
> car-less, so it has seen a lot of use. 
>
> Clayton Bailey 
> #DirtDanceDesigns 
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Jacob]

I have a few Z Loks  : lockable and 
resuable zip ties with metal core.  Not great for security, but inexpensive 
and familiar for this sort of application.

-Jacob

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Tom Wyland]

Russ from Path Less Pedaled has a video 
 showing how to use toe clips 
to secure your basket. 

I use these Nite Ize Gear Ties 
 for securing my 
front wheel while I park. Because they are rubber coated they may work well 
securing a basket.  You can get them in various sizes/colors.

Tom

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