Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I'll give a mildly enthusiastic recommendation for the Blue Lug/Fairweather 
poncho. I use it anytime I need to ride in the rain and it does a pretty 
good job. It's not great for windy rain conditions, but I doubt any poncho 
would be. Someone above mentioned they're low vis colors, which is true, 
but you can spruce it up with some reflective material/tape without doing 
damage to the waterproof fabric. 

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:48:13 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I have the Grundens poncho and fishing hat. I looked on the Grundens 
> website and could not find the poncho, but they still have the hat. I also 
> have the MUSA splats. I was ready to order the gaiters, but they never 
> reappeared on the Rive website (this was a few years ago).
> The poncho works great on the bicycle (with fenders) - I love the thumb 
> loops and visibility of the yellow. I have also worn the poncho and hat at 
> an outdoor rain or shine concert sitting in a big folding chair - the 
> poncho was big enough to keep the chair dry as well.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:07:46 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Not to rub it in, but yes, the Riv Grundens poncho is the best ever. So 
>> sorry they do not have them any more. Maybe they need to do  another run, 
>> but I am sure then they would be $$$.
>>
>> I have the Grundens, but also have a Vaude Valdipino 
>>  
>> that is very easy to stash somewhere (I keep one at work) in case something 
>> comes up.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and 
>>> is there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
>>>
 Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
 even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.

 https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194



 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
 wrote:

> Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
> carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
>> sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
>> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
>> beat. 
>>
>> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
>> he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. 
>> I 
>> assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if 
>> something 
>> happens to it though!
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>>
>>> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I 
>>> use a rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles 
>>> link 
>>> below).  I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers 
>>> them? Sadly the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ 
>>> years 
>>> out of them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>>>
>>> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I 
 forgot about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 
 (
 https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
  
 It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
 friends 
 were amazed that I had good things to say.

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:

> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>
> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice 
> waxed canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish 
> they 
> came in high viz colors/designs. 
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>
>
>
> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>
> [image: yehuda.gif]
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can assure you that wate

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[lconley]

I have the Grundens poncho and fishing hat. I looked on the Grundens 
website and could not find the poncho, but they still have the hat. I also 
have the MUSA splats. I was ready to order the gaiters, but they never 
reappeared on the Rive website (this was a few years ago).
The poncho works great on the bicycle (with fenders) - I love the thumb 
loops and visibility of the yellow. I have also worn the poncho and hat at 
an outdoor rain or shine concert sitting in a big folding chair - the 
poncho was big enough to keep the chair dry as well.

Laing

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:07:46 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Not to rub it in, but yes, the Riv Grundens poncho is the best ever. So 
> sorry they do not have them any more. Maybe they need to do  another run, 
> but I am sure then they would be $$$.
>
> I have the Grundens, but also have a Vaude Valdipino 
>  
> that is very easy to stash somewhere (I keep one at work) in case something 
> comes up.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and is 
>> there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
>>> even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
 carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 

 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
 wrote:

> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
> sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
> beat. 
>
> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
> he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I 
> assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if 
> something 
> happens to it though!
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>
>> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use 
>> a rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link 
>> below).  I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers 
>> them? Sadly the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ 
>> years 
>> out of them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>>
>> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>>
>> Al
>>
>> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I 
>>> forgot about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
>>>  
>>> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
>>> friends 
>>> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>>>
 @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
 probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
 over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).

 If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice 
 waxed canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish 
 they 
 came in high viz colors/designs. 
 https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html



 @Carlos and @Patrick - 
 http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/

 [image: yehuda.gif]

 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms 
> when riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty 
> color 
> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in 
> the 
> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy 
> rain) 
> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like 
> the 
> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com <
> reca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Patrick Moore]

IME thumb loops, or perhaps just using the loops for your thumbs, works
better than looping a cape to the bar. (Fortunately my Campmore has those.)

Yes to waist straps; my current Campmore had elastic leg loops instead of a
waist strap that were very awkward to get into. I cut them off and sewed a
sufficient weight of small stacks of large washers at 2 or 3 points along
the bottom rear seam, and this works (for me at any rate) even better than
a waist strap. Pull the poncho over your head, stick thumbs in loops, get
on bike, rear naturally falls to cover saddlebag.

Next modification: cut off hood, since I have a Grundens hat.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 4:20 PM Slin  wrote:

>
> Stephanie -
>
> Wow, the Kiu seems like a great design for a much better price ($50 on
> sale now) with a reflective bright yellow too. Can you tell me what it has
> in the inside? Does it have hand/handlebar loops or a waist strap?
>

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[RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Slin]

Stephanie -

Wow, the Kiu seems like a great design for a much better price ($50 on sale 
now) with a reflective bright yellow too. Can you tell me what it has in 
the inside? Does it have hand/handlebar loops or a waist strap?

Thanks. 

Slin

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-8 Stephanie A. wrote:

> I use a kiu reflective bike poncho and love it!
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:00:07 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I rock either a Space Age Bags Zine Holder or large ILE Porteur bag for 
>> cargo. I like the Torrentshell jacket from Patagonia plus the Showers Pass 
>> pants n Gore C3 shoe covers. My fenders def help, too. 
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Edwin W]

Not to rub it in, but yes, the Riv Grundens poncho is the best ever. So 
sorry they do not have them any more. Maybe they need to do  another run, 
but I am sure then they would be $$$.

I have the Grundens, but also have a Vaude Valdipino 
 that 
is very easy to stash somewhere (I keep one at work) in case something 
comes up.

Edwin

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and is 
> there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
>
>> Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
>> even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
>>> carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
 sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
 unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
 beat. 

 It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
 he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I 
 assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if 
 something 
 happens to it though!
 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:

> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use 
> a rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link 
> below).  I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers 
> them? Sadly the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ 
> years 
> out of them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>
> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>
> Al
>
> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
>> about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
>>  
>> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
>> friends 
>> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>>
>>> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
>>> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
>>> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>>>
>>> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
>>> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came 
>>> in 
>>> high viz colors/designs. 
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
>>> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>>>
>>> [image: yehuda.gif]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms 
 when riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty 
 color 
 swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in 
 the 
 puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy 
 rain) 
 every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
 Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while 
> now. It works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from 
> recommending it to everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any 
> of 
> the Riv variants, the water will pool between the bars. Not a big 
> deal but 
> it happens as these seem to be designed more for drop bars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Dave Grossman]

Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and is 
there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:

> Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
> even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.
>
> https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
>> carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
>>> sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
>>> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
>>> beat. 
>>>
>>> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
>>> he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I 
>>> assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if something 
>>> happens to it though!
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>>>
 I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use a 
 rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link below). 
  
 I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers them? Sadly 
 the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ years out of 
 them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.

 (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )

 Al

 **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post

 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
> about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
>  
> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
> friends 
> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>
>> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
>> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
>> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>>
>> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
>> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came 
>> in 
>> high viz colors/designs. 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>>
>>
>>
>> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
>> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>>
>> [image: yehuda.gif]
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms 
>>> when riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty 
>>> color 
>>> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the 
>>> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain) 
>>> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
>>> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. 
 It works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from 
 recommending it 
 to everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv 
 variants, 
 the water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as 
 these seem to be designed more for drop bars?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Slin]

Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.

https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194



On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:

> Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
> carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to sell. 
>> They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
>> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
>> beat. 
>>
>> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
>> he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I 
>> assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if something 
>> happens to it though!
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>>
>>> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use a 
>>> rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link below).  
>>> I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers them? Sadly 
>>> the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ years out of 
>>> them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>>>
>>> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
 about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
 https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
  
 It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
 friends 
 were amazed that I had good things to say.

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:

> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>
> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in 
> high viz colors/designs. 
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>
>
>
> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>
> [image: yehuda.gif]
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms 
>> when riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty 
>> color 
>> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the 
>> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain) 
>> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
>> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. 
>>> It works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending 
>>> it 
>>> to everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv 
>>> variants, 
>>> the water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as 
>>> these seem to be designed more for drop bars?
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:

> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to sell. 
> They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
> beat. 
>
> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said he'd 
> see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I assume 
> not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if something 
> happens to it though!
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>
>> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use a 
>> rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link below).  
>> I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers them? Sadly 
>> the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ years out of 
>> them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>>
>> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>>
>> Al
>>
>> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
>>> about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
>>>  
>>> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my friends 
>>> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>>>
 @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
 probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
 over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).

 If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
 canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in 
 high viz colors/designs. 
 https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html



 @Carlos and @Patrick - 
 http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/

 [image: yehuda.gif]

 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when 
> riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color 
> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the 
> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain) 
> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. 
>> It works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending 
>> it 
>> to everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv 
>> variants, 
>> the water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as 
>> these seem to be designed more for drop bars?
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to sell. 
They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
beat. 

It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said he'd 
see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I assume 
not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if something 
happens to it though!
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:

> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use a 
> rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link below).  
> I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers them? Sadly 
> the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ years out of 
> them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>
> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>
> Al
>
> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
>> about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html). 
>> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my friends 
>> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>>
>>> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
>>> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
>>> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>>>
>>> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
>>> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in 
>>> high viz colors/designs. 
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
>>> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>>>
>>> [image: yehuda.gif]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when 
 riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color 
 swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the 
 puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain) 
 every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
 Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It 
> works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending it 
> to 
> everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, 
> the 
> water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these 
> seem to be designed more for drop bars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[a spen]

I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use a 
rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link below).  
I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers them? Sadly 
the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ years out of 
them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.

(https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )

Al

**sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
> about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html). 
> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my friends 
> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>
>> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
>> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
>> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>>
>> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
>> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in 
>> high viz colors/designs. 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>>
>>
>>
>> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
>> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>>
>> [image: yehuda.gif]
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when 
>>> riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color 
>>> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the 
>>> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain) 
>>> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
>>> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It 
 works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending it to 
 everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, 
 the 
 water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these 
 seem to be designed more for drop bars?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[藍俊彪]

I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot about
pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my friends
were amazed that I had good things to say.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:

> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I probably
> wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit over-engineered
> (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>
> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed
> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in
> high viz colors/designs.
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>
>
>
> @Carlos and @Patrick -
> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>
> [image: yehuda.gif]
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when
>> riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color
>> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the
>> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain)
>> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the
>> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It
>>> works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending it to
>>> everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, the
>>> water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these
>>> seem to be designed more for drop bars?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Slin]

@Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I probably 
wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit over-engineered 
(tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).

If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in 
high viz colors/designs. 
https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html



@Carlos and @Patrick - 
http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/

[image: yehuda.gif]

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when 
> riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color 
> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the 
> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain) 
> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It 
>> works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending it to 
>> everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, the 
>> water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these 
>> seem to be designed more for drop bars?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Patrick Moore]

I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when
riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color
swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the
puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain)
every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the
Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  wrote:

> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It
> works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending it to
> everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, the
> water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these
> seem to be designed more for drop bars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[reca...@gmail.com]

I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It 
works great and have been pleasantly surprised with how durable the waxing 
has been. The only downsides I see are that it's a bit heavy to carry 
around off the bike and the straps can be a little fussy to use. The only 
other thing that keeps me from recommending it to everyone is that if you 
ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, the water will pool between 
the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these seem to be designed more 
for drop bars? All minor niggles for me in the end as it works better than 
any rain jacket I've used. 

carlos

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:55:55 AM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t 
>> tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as 
>> well mess with ‘em!
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>
>>
>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
>> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
>> more coverage 
>> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading,
>>> Alex
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Luke Hendrickson]

Slin – which poncho do you like best?

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:20:11 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

> I'm a huge fan of ponchos (with fenders) and riding in the rain in 
> general! I wear regular clothes riding a bike, and putting on rain pants 
> and jacket just felt like too much so I wouldn't put it on in drizzle and 
> I'd get wet anyway. The few times I did wear rain pants and jacket, I got 
> soaked from sweat. 
>
> As others have mentioned, a poncho is nice and breathable from the big 
> opening on the bottom so you can avoid waterproofing treatments that wear 
> out or expensive 'breathable' fabrics.
>
> And back to my other point, putting on a poncho takes less than 10 seconds 
> and when I get to my destination, I just slip it off!
>
> Yeah, it's been fun for me now that there's been some rain again here in 
> the Bay Area. I feel like Yehuda Moon.
>
> S
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 8:25:25 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I tried a poncho but didn't feel like I could adequately signal.  When 
>> it's cold, I prefer the jacket/pants.  When it's warm I like a jacket/rain 
>> skirt with shorts.  Next I'd like to cut the sleeves off a jacket and use a 
>> rain vest or short sleeve jacket so I won't heat up too much.  I'll go half 
>> sleeves then short sleeves then to a vest to see what works better.   
>>
>> p.s.  Newer jackets w/less PFAS seem to be less durable.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:09:46 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Ponchos are great!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1990.jpg]
>>>
>>> *With fenders.*
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Slin]

I'm a huge fan of ponchos (with fenders) and riding in the rain in general! 
I wear regular clothes riding a bike, and putting on rain pants and jacket 
just felt like too much so I wouldn't put it on in drizzle and I'd get wet 
anyway. The few times I did wear rain pants and jacket, I got soaked from 
sweat. 

As others have mentioned, a poncho is nice and breathable from the big 
opening on the bottom so you can avoid waterproofing treatments that wear 
out or expensive 'breathable' fabrics.

And back to my other point, putting on a poncho takes less than 10 seconds 
and when I get to my destination, I just slip it off!

Yeah, it's been fun for me now that there's been some rain again here in 
the Bay Area. I feel like Yehuda Moon.

S





On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 8:25:25 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I tried a poncho but didn't feel like I could adequately signal.  When 
> it's cold, I prefer the jacket/pants.  When it's warm I like a jacket/rain 
> skirt with shorts.  Next I'd like to cut the sleeves off a jacket and use a 
> rain vest or short sleeve jacket so I won't heat up too much.  I'll go half 
> sleeves then short sleeves then to a vest to see what works better.   
>
> p.s.  Newer jackets w/less PFAS seem to be less durable.  
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:09:46 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Ponchos are great!
>>
>> [image: IMG_1990.jpg]
>>
>> *With fenders.*
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Pam Bikes]

I tried a poncho but didn't feel like I could adequately signal.  When it's 
cold, I prefer the jacket/pants.  When it's warm I like a jacket/rain skirt 
with shorts.  Next I'd like to cut the sleeves off a jacket and use a rain 
vest or short sleeve jacket so I won't heat up too much.  I'll go half 
sleeves then short sleeves then to a vest to see what works better.   

p.s.  Newer jackets w/less PFAS seem to be less durable.  

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:09:46 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> Ponchos are great!
>
> [image: IMG_1990.jpg]
>
> *With fenders.*
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Mackenzy Albright]

I used a Peoples poncho for 5+ years with a lot of success. 

My biggest complaints are

-I am over 6ft tall and it felt a bit short in the arms, and worked less 
well on upright bikes vs drop bar setups. 
-When I got off my bike it all dumped onto my thighs and got my pants wet 
-the hood is a really weird not big to fit over helmet but a bit bulky fit 
under helmet 
-i had several occasions gusts of wind blew the poncho from my back over my 
face 

Things I loved:: 

-Light and packable so I always had it in my bag 
-on the bike it worked really well 
-looked great
-the hooks on the front hook to bars great leaving your hands free. 

It's since lost its water repellence at the seams so I gifted it to a 
shorter friend to re scotch spray. I invested in the LX carradice duxback 

things i dislike: 

-heavier and bulky so I don't "always" pack it with me 
-doesn't hook on the handlebars quite as nicely, but its longer so it kind 
of evens out. 
-It may be warmer than the OPP, but only used it in Vancouver cold so far. 
All water proof fabrics I find a bit overly warm though, so ussually just 
wear wool if precipitation is light enough. 
-takes longer to dry off completely 

things I love: 

-The hood is smaller and lined, so feel confident with vision and under 
helmet placement 
-better fit as a tall person on an upright bike 
-feels like it'll last a very long time and is easily refinished 
-looks even cooler than the OPP, much more of a classic RSF aesthetic. 
-has a tether so no flapping over the head (although I think OPP add this 
in recent models) 





On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've used rain capes for a good 10 years, and they're great except in 
> sidewind. The ventilation can't be beat. With a sidewind, turning feels a 
> lot more like coming about in a sailboat. I stopped using them because I 
> started riding my road bikes off pavement a lot, and full fenders kept 
> making noise or getting in the way.  With mountain bike style clip on 
> fenders rain capes just don't work as well. Modern rain suits are now much 
> more breathable than they used to be so I've gotten used to them as a 
> compromise. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:00:47 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Contrary opinion from someone who lives in a desert. I recall riding home 
>> 5 miles in an immense S Western thunderstorm with howling 3/4 headwind 
>> wearing my light Campmore poncho. The rain was coming down so hard that the 
>> access road to my street flooded ~2' deep -- the 1 time I've seen that 
>> happen; I rode into it and bailed, and it was just below my knees. I was 
>> wearing shorts and the poncho has a hood. I was completely dry from throat 
>> to thigh and relatively dry from chin to hair (well, at least in back). I 
>> was very surprised that the wind didn't bother me much more than it usually 
>> does; I had a 64" fixed gear.
>>
>> Now this sort of experience around here is a once in a decade, but I've 
>> used the Campmore (and the 2 Carradices) on 15 mile homebound commutes 
>> enough to know that for some people ponchos work well, given that any rain 
>> system is going to be a compromise. As always, YMMV.
>>
>> I still have the Campmore in its little stuffsack and stick it into my 
>> bag with a Grunden's hat when it looks like rain, but I've been lucky this 
>> season. I wish I'd seized the spats that were on sale here recently.
>>
>> Patrick "in ABQ, when it rains, it pours" Moore
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:42 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no 
>>> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good 
>>> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho 
>>> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your 
>>> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an 
>>> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
 I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho 
 once.  It sucked.

 Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this 
 experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet, 
 and annoying.

 Will

 On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Brian, 
>
> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I 
> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned 
> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too 
> much 
> of a tangent :)
>
> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. 
> My partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it 
> hasn't seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is 
> a 
> priority for me as 

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Piaw Na]

I've used rain capes for a good 10 years, and they're great except in 
sidewind. The ventilation can't be beat. With a sidewind, turning feels a 
lot more like coming about in a sailboat. I stopped using them because I 
started riding my road bikes off pavement a lot, and full fenders kept 
making noise or getting in the way.  With mountain bike style clip on 
fenders rain capes just don't work as well. Modern rain suits are now much 
more breathable than they used to be so I've gotten used to them as a 
compromise. 

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:00:47 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Contrary opinion from someone who lives in a desert. I recall riding home 
> 5 miles in an immense S Western thunderstorm with howling 3/4 headwind 
> wearing my light Campmore poncho. The rain was coming down so hard that the 
> access road to my street flooded ~2' deep -- the 1 time I've seen that 
> happen; I rode into it and bailed, and it was just below my knees. I was 
> wearing shorts and the poncho has a hood. I was completely dry from throat 
> to thigh and relatively dry from chin to hair (well, at least in back). I 
> was very surprised that the wind didn't bother me much more than it usually 
> does; I had a 64" fixed gear.
>
> Now this sort of experience around here is a once in a decade, but I've 
> used the Campmore (and the 2 Carradices) on 15 mile homebound commutes 
> enough to know that for some people ponchos work well, given that any rain 
> system is going to be a compromise. As always, YMMV.
>
> I still have the Campmore in its little stuffsack and stick it into my bag 
> with a Grunden's hat when it looks like rain, but I've been lucky this 
> season. I wish I'd seized the spats that were on sale here recently.
>
> Patrick "in ABQ, when it rains, it pours" Moore
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:42 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no 
>> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good 
>> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho 
>> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your 
>> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an 
>> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride. 
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>>> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.  
>>> It sucked.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this 
>>> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet, 
>>> and annoying.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Brian, 

 Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I 
 too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned 
 it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much 
 of a tangent :)

 Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My 
 partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't 
 seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a 
 priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed 
 canvas 
 isn't ideal for a poncho imo.  

 On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>
> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just 
> skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you 
> including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv 
> customers 
> subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 
>
> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give 
> me a shout :)
>
> Brian in Saint Louis
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use 
>> this past week, in fact!  
>>
>> Pro's: 
>> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
>> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
>> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for 
>> me 
>> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>>
>> Con's: 
>> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would 
>> have been nice for this 
>> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
>> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach 
>> ... suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
>> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
>> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
>> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, 
>> and they've appropriat

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Contrary opinion from someone who lives in a desert. I recall riding home 5
miles in an immense S Western thunderstorm with howling 3/4 headwind
wearing my light Campmore poncho. The rain was coming down so hard that the
access road to my street flooded ~2' deep -- the 1 time I've seen that
happen; I rode into it and bailed, and it was just below my knees. I was
wearing shorts and the poncho has a hood. I was completely dry from throat
to thigh and relatively dry from chin to hair (well, at least in back). I
was very surprised that the wind didn't bother me much more than it usually
does; I had a 64" fixed gear.

Now this sort of experience around here is a once in a decade, but I've
used the Campmore (and the 2 Carradices) on 15 mile homebound commutes
enough to know that for some people ponchos work well, given that any rain
system is going to be a compromise. As always, YMMV.

I still have the Campmore in its little stuffsack and stick it into my bag
with a Grunden's hat when it looks like rain, but I've been lucky this
season. I wish I'd seized the spats that were on sale here recently.

Patrick "in ABQ, when it rains, it pours" Moore

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:42 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no
> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good
> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho
> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your
> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an
> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.
>> It sucked.
>>
>> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this
>> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet,
>> and annoying.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I
>>> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned
>>> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much
>>> of a tangent :)
>>>
>>> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
>>> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
>>> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
>>> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
>>> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

 Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just
 skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you
 including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers
 subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.

 If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give
 me a shout :)

 Brian in Saint Louis
 On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use
> this past week, in fact!
>
> Pro's:
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's:
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would
> have been nice for this
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks,
> and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really
> cool.
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's
> 100% rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  
> But
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, 
> it's
> perfect.
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after
>> being poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that
>> Rivendell used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has 
>> served
>> me very well in the few pours I'v

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Steven Sweedler]

Are the ponchos being discussed the same as rain capes. I have a Jackson &
Gibbons cape that keeps me very dry as long as there is not much wind, if
its windy I much prefer a jacket and pants (depending on temperature).
Steve

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 3:43 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no
> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good
> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho
> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your
> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an
> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.
>> It sucked.
>>
>> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this
>> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet,
>> and annoying.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I
>>> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned
>>> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much
>>> of a tangent :)
>>>
>>> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
>>> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
>>> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
>>> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
>>> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

 Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just
 skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you
 including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers
 subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.

 If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give
 me a shout :)

 Brian in Saint Louis
 On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use
> this past week, in fact!
>
> Pro's:
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's:
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would
> have been nice for this
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks,
> and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really
> cool.
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's
> 100% rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  
> But
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, 
> it's
> perfect.
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after
>> being poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that
>> Rivendell used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has 
>> served
>> me very well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being
>> crucial. When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning
>> towards the waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics
>> and synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for
>> urban riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just
>> used my sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in 
>> the
>> bag. Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop 
>> sack
>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers
>>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what dire

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Jason Fuller]

Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no
replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good
use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho
off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your
feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an
entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.
> It sucked.
>
> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this
> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet,
> and annoying.
>
> Will
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I
>> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned
>> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much
>> of a tangent :)
>>
>> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
>> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
>> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
>> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
>> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>>>
>>> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just
>>> skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you
>>> including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers
>>> subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.
>>>
>>> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me
>>> a shout :)
>>>
>>> Brian in Saint Louis
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use
 this past week, in fact!

 Pro's:
 - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
 - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
 - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
 - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease

 Con's:
 - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would
 have been nice for this
 - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
 - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
 suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
 - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
 effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
 - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks,
 and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really
 cool.

 Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100%
 rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
 poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But
 for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's
 perfect.

 On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after
> being poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that
> Rivendell used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has 
> served
> me very well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being
> crucial. When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning
> towards the waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics
> and synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for
> urban riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just
> used my sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the
> bag. Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers
>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… 
>> might
>> as well mess with ‘em!
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>
>>
>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride
>> home from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall
>> size for more coverage
>> https://cleverhood.com/pro

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Will Boericke]

I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.  It 
sucked.

Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this 
experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet, 
and annoying.

Will

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Brian, 
>
> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I too 
> consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned it 
> and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much of 
> a tangent :)
>
> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My 
> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't 
> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a 
> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas 
> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.  
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>>
>> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip 
>> the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including 
>> that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe 
>> to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 
>>
>> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me 
>> a shout :)
>>
>> Brian in Saint Louis
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use 
>>> this past week, in fact!  
>>>
>>> Pro's: 
>>> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
>>> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
>>> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
>>> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>>>
>>> Con's: 
>>> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
>>> been nice for this 
>>> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
>>> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
>>> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
>>> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
>>> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
>>> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, 
>>> and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really 
>>> cool. 
>>>
>>> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
>>> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
>>> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
>>> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
>>> perfect.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
 poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
 used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
 well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
 When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
 waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
 synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
 riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
 sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
 Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
 combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
 shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.

 -Stephen

 On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers 
> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… 
> might 
> as well mess with ‘em!
>
> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>
>
>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride 
> home from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall 
> size for more coverage 
> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341 
>  
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try 
>> and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have 
>> decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd 
>> love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full 
>> coverage (including 

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Jason Fuller]

Brian,

Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I too
consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned it
and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much of
a tangent :)

Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
isn't ideal for a poncho imo.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>
> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip
> the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including
> that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe
> to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.
>
> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me a
> shout :)
>
> Brian in Saint Louis
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this
>> past week, in fact!
>>
>> Pro's:
>> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
>> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
>> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
>> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>>
>> Con's:
>> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have
>> been nice for this
>> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
>> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
>> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
>> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
>> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
>> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and
>> they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool.
>>
>> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100%
>> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
>> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But
>> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's
>> perfect.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being
>>> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell
>>> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very
>>> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial.
>>> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the
>>> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and
>>> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban
>>> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my
>>> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag.
>>> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack
>>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
>>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>>
>>> -Stephen
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers
 can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might
 as well mess with ‘em!

 On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:

 More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.


  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home
 from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size
 for more coverage
 https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341


 Roberta


 On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all,
> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try
> and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have
> decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd
> love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full
> coverage (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are
> going to be varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on
> PONCHOS
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Alex
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Brian Forsee]

Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip 
the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including 
that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe 
to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 

If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me a 
shout :)

Brian in Saint Louis
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this 
> past week, in fact!  
>
> Pro's: 
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's: 
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
> been nice for this 
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and 
> they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool. 
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
> perfect.  
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
>> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
>> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
>> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
>> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
>> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
>> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
>> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
>> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
>> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers 
>>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might 
>>> as well mess with ‘em!
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
>>> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
>>> more coverage 
>>> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, 
 Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try 
 and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have 
 decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd 
 love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full 
 coverage (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are 
 going to be varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on 
 PONCHOS

 Thanks for reading,
 Alex

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Jason Fuller]

I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this 
past week, in fact!  

Pro's: 
- Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
- Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
- Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
- Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease

Con's: 
- Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
been nice for this 
- Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
- Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
- I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like effect 
tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
- Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and 
they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool. 

Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
perfect.  

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t 
>> tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as 
>> well mess with ‘em!
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>
>>
>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
>> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
>> more coverage 
>> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading,
>>> Alex
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Patrick Moore]

The Duxback waxed cotton cape is or was very well designed; I commuted in
it during a couple of summer monsoon seasons. But I daresay it's best for a
cool British climate; at least I found it too hot -- it made me sweat --
riding home at 70*F in the rain. Also, it was quite a bit bulkier to hang
and dry than Carradice's bright yellow nylon cape, which I found too
constricting for drop bars. I now use ("use" -- we get 9" a year, most in
the summer, but I do use it) a $29.99 Campmore nylon cycling cape which
works well, folds very small, but requires sewn-in weights at the rear to
keep it down. I think that Campmore no longer carries them, though.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 9:55 AM Stephen  wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being
> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell
> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very
> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial.
> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the
> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and
> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban
> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my
> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag.
> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Stephen]

I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.

-Stephen

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t 
> tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as 
> well mess with ‘em!
>
> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>
>
>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
> more coverage 
> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Brian Turner]

Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as well mess with ‘em!On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts. I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for more coverage https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  RobertaOn Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all, Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOSThanks for reading,Alex



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[RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Roberta]

More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.

 I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
more coverage 
https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  

Roberta


On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, 
> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Alex
>

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[RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Stephanie A.]

I use a kiu reflective bike poncho and love it!

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:00:07 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I rock either a Space Age Bags Zine Holder or large ILE Porteur bag for 
> cargo. I like the Torrentshell jacket from Patagonia plus the Showers Pass 
> pants n Gore C3 shoe covers. My fenders def help, too. 
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>> Alex
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Luke Hendrickson]

I rock either a Space Age Bags Zine Holder or large ILE Porteur bag for 
cargo. I like the Torrentshell jacket from Patagonia plus the Showers Pass 
pants n Gore C3 shoe covers. My fenders def help, too. 

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, 
> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Alex
>

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