Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Lungimsam]

No QB for me either as the smallest is 56cm TT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Lungimsam]

But tge smallest SO frane has a 56.5 TT and that is way too longvfor me.

So no SO for me

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Lungimsam]

Well it would be fun to try.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Patrick Moore]

You'll adapt to such a degree that you'll amaze yourself. I'm certainly no
athlete and not young by any means, but I still prefer fixed riding on the
road precisely for the challenge of doing more with less. That sounds like
putting principle before fun, but no, the fun comes precisely from doing
just this, and --- a very big AND -- learning how to "automatically" or,
better, "intuitively" adapt your pedaling and expectations to the terrain
and conditions.

First, your body and mind adapt to a slow cadence against the obstacles of
hills and winds, and also to slower speeds as required. Second, you learn
to pace yourself without much thought -- you no longer sprint at the bottom
of a hill to keep momentum up for the next rise; you conserve energy and
simply let the bike slow according to the terrain and your comfort zone.
Or, starting out against a wind, you no longer expect to pedal at a, say 90
rpm cadence; 60 or even lower feels "natural" in such conditions.

This is all much more complicated to explain than to do.

Funny, talking about adaptation: many racers still, or used to, ride fixed
in a sub 70" gear in early season to "develop their spin." Me, when younger
and fitter, I used to be a spinner -- 21 mph in a 65" gear, 23 in a 70"
gear cruising on windless flats. (I know this well because I was a gearing
afficionado; I knew, and still know, all my ratios by heart, methodically
counted my cadence; and used Avocet XX cyclecomputers.) But after I took up
fixed gear riding circa 1997, I gradually became a masher. Now a
comfortable pace in similar circumstances in a 70" gear is 18 mph. Of
course, age is part of the reason -- my spinning days were in my mid 30s to
early 40s; I'm 61 now. But the other big reason was getting comfortable
grinding up hills in a highish gear, and learning to stand for longer
periods.

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> Single speeders must have strong legs.
> Even when I ride in flat Florida I have to use about 4-speeds.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

['Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The thing is, as we all know, any bike can be a single speed. Riv 
themselves say "Don’t wait for us to do a dedicated single speeder. Just 
get a Sam/Cheviot/Clem/Hunq whatever with an ENO hub. You won’t regret it."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a6u1yOIwzPQJ:rivbike.tumblr.com/post/126529814824/staff-steed-sammy-single-speed-i-missed-the+=2=en=clnk=uk

That way you can have the go-fast single speed, the touring single speed, 
the long chainstay single speed and so one. The world is your oyster.

Even when Riv have gone to the effort of providing dedicated single 
speeders, people seem to go to extraordinary lengths to add gears!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/not$20so$20simple/rbw-owners-bunch/twQp7M0UUOc/VnQcwlRkEAAJ

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Gear tyranny! Grin. Free yourself, Lungimsam! Pick one. Ride it for 
two weeks. You'll be amazed at how much your riding improves, and how 
little you really "need" those gears.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, March 12, 2016 at 2:56:19 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
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> Single speeders must have strong legs.
> Even when I ride in flat Florida I have to use about 4-speeds.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Lungimsam]

Single speeders must have strong legs.
Even when I ride in flat Florida I have to use about 4-speeds.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill]

How about a looong chainstay version? Never say never.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think so. Since then we've had the CLEM and Appaloosa projects, and 
there's more multi-speed stuff in the pipeline. I don't think we'll see another 
single-speed bike from Rivendell. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Karen Yuen]

Did anything ever come of this or is this still in the works?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Lungimsam]

Bump

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[lungimsam]

So how's it Lookin for this project at this point?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[RJM]

I'm having a problem sending emails out here for some reason, but I was 
thinking of this project this weekend. I really would like a nice 
singlespeed one that has that lovely Riv rideability, looks like a Riv, can 
be set up with racks and bags ect. (not too loaded touring bike-like 
though). So, I would be onboard to buy one sight unseen provided I could 
get on in my size...I have a PBH of 79 and ride a 53 Roadeo and own a 48 
Sam Hillborne. 
 

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:41:18 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Hey there Bill - 

 Right now, there are less than 10 people who have sent an email saying 
 that they would absolutely, positively be on board.  

 This does not concern me at all, as a number more have contacted me with 
 interest.  Plus, the project has only been announced here on the list.  I 
 was going to request that they make a general announcement on their Blug, 
 via the Newsletter and possibly through an Instagram post.  But, I wanted 
 to wait until around now before making a second push.

 Also, the focus of most discussions has been features and brainstorming 
 for the model.  Some of the feedback from the people who are interested but 
 have not yet committed is that they are waiting until that conversation had 
 ended or at least waned a bit.

 Hope that helps!

 - Jim






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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there Bill - 

Right now, there are less than 10 people who have sent an email saying that 
they would absolutely, positively be on board.  

This does not concern me at all, as a number more have contacted me with 
interest.  Plus, the project has only been announced here on the list.  I 
was going to request that they make a general announcement on their Blug, 
via the Newsletter and possibly through an Instagram post.  But, I wanted 
to wait until around now before making a second push.

Also, the focus of most discussions has been features and brainstorming for 
the model.  Some of the feedback from the people who are interested but 
have not yet committed is that they are waiting until that conversation had 
ended or at least waned a bit.

Hope that helps!

- Jim




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill Lindsay]

Jim

That all sounds reasonable, and I appreciate the peek into the process. 
 That tells me what I wanted to know.  

Bill

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:41:18 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Hey there Bill - 

 Right now, there are less than 10 people who have sent an email saying 
 that they would absolutely, positively be on board.  

 This does not concern me at all, as a number more have contacted me with 
 interest.  Plus, the project has only been announced here on the list.  I 
 was going to request that they make a general announcement on their Blug, 
 via the Newsletter and possibly through an Instagram post.  But, I wanted 
 to wait until around now before making a second push.

 Also, the focus of most discussions has been features and brainstorming 
 for the model.  Some of the feedback from the people who are interested but 
 have not yet committed is that they are waiting until that conversation had 
 ended or at least waned a bit.

 Hope that helps!

 - Jim






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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill Lindsay]

Do you have a current snapshot of the length of the list?  Grant asked for 
30 people to PM Jim and commit to him that they'll buy a $1200 frameset. 
 Do you have 30, Jim?  Do you have 10?  Where does this stand right now?

On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:17:03 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 In a separate thread, I seem to have been volunteered to collect names of 
 those seriously interested in a next generation SimpleOne / Quickbeam.

 The thread can be found here:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U

 Please take a moment to read it all the way through.  Thanks!

 Ok... Welcome back!

 here's what Grant posted:

 On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use everybody not in the 
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
 my life. 
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
 try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
 promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

 Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 

 If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
 may be an extra year or two.

 I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
 difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
 sense for us right now. 

 Thanks..

 Grant



 So - what happens next?

 I'll compile a list of takers/wanters/those-who-will-in-fact-pony-up.

 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND CAN COMMIT IN THE MANNER GRANT PROPOSED - 

 Please do this:

 Email: cyclo...@gmail.com javascript:

 Use a Subject Line: SimpleBeam Order

 Include your name, email and a simple statement of desire to be in the 
 queue. State frame size, quantity.  

 DO NOT GIVE any payment information - I cannot  be responsible for your 
 payment security (and you should never, ever put that in an email anyway...)

 Please note - I do not work for Rivendell Bicycle Works.  I am wrangling 
 this just to keep one iron in a separate fire for GP.  I'll keep you 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Michael]

 I would be interested in a Rivendell single speed for winter riding 
 because there is a ton of roadsalt around here in MD these days that is 
 keeping me off my Sam because I am afraid of tearing up my components by 
 getting salt all over them.


I think that it would be less expensive, every year or two,  to replace 
just one salt-trashed chainring, rear cog, and chain after a salty winter 
than two derailers, cassette, three chainrings, and 2 cables.

I don't know how the wheels would fare, though...

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Metin Uz]

I am with Corwin. Both of these (kickstand plate and mid-seatstay 
braze-ons) would be deal breakers for me, aesthetically. I think QB is 
about minimalism. Another reason I prefer canti brakes; you can add a front 
rack without an additional braze-on, as long as the fork crown is drilled. 

--Metin

On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:55:23 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I 
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Philip Williamson]

Maybe what the NewBeam needs is an optional canti-mount rear rack or 
saddlebag support? 
I'm still in favor of a NewBeam exactly like the OG 2004 green ones, with 
slightly more tire clearance. New graphics, new name, new color. Gray, 
maybe. 

Philip
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On Friday, December 13, 2013 9:27:55 AM UTC-8, Metin Uz wrote:

 I am with Corwin. Both of these (kickstand plate and mid-seatstay 
 braze-ons) would be deal breakers for me, aesthetically. I think QB is 
 about minimalism. Another reason I prefer canti brakes; you can add a front 
 rack without an additional braze-on, as long as the fork crown is drilled. 

 --Metin

 On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:55:23 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I 
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bryan]

My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I 
haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs! 

Bryan 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Peter Morgano]

I don't see the kickstand plate hating, seems really nitpicky. I mean, how
often do you actually look over your bikes to find the things you don't
like? I guess this keeps the custom frame builders in business so to each
their own.


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 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

 Bryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Christopher Chen]

Ah, if someone wants something super custom I see it. I subscribe to the
view that the more options (within reason) the better, so I want the
kickstand (and fender mounting!) plate, and as many brazeons as I can get.

I love the idea of a Not-Dumb bike. Of course that's in the eye of the
beholder, isn't it?


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 I don't see the kickstand plate hating, seems really nitpicky. I mean, how
 often do you actually look over your bikes to find the things you don't
 like? I guess this keeps the custom frame builders in business so to each
 their own.


 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Bryan bwedg...@gmail.com wrote:

 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Peter Morgano]

I also want all the options they can tack on the bike, I mean, why not? I
never thought I would use those top of the fork mounts on the bombadil but
turns out it was a perfect place to mount my dyno light after going front
rackless due to wheel flop frustration.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 Ah, if someone wants something super custom I see it. I subscribe to the
 view that the more options (within reason) the better, so I want the
 kickstand (and fender mounting!) plate, and as many brazeons as I can get.

 I love the idea of a Not-Dumb bike. Of course that's in the eye of the
 beholder, isn't it?


 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Peter Morgano 
 uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 I don't see the kickstand plate hating, seems really nitpicky. I mean,
 how often do you actually look over your bikes to find the things you don't
 like? I guess this keeps the custom frame builders in business so to each
 their own.


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 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although
 I haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[cyclotourist]

So there!

On 12/13/13, Bryan bwedg...@gmail.com wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Edwin W]

I agree with the Mixte idea. It is even more niche than the QB or SO, but 
an as of yet unexplored niche!



On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:17:03 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 In a separate thread, I seem to have been volunteered to collect names of 
 those seriously interested in a next generation SimpleOne / Quickbeam.

 The thread can be found here:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U

 Please take a moment to read it all the way through.  Thanks!

 Ok... Welcome back!

 here's what Grant posted:

 On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use everybody not in the 
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
 my life. 
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
 try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
 promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

 Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 

 If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
 may be an extra year or two.

 I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
 difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
 sense for us right now. 

 Thanks..

 Grant



 So - what happens next?

 I'll compile a list of takers/wanters/those-who-will-in-fact-pony-up.

 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND CAN COMMIT IN THE MANNER GRANT PROPOSED - 

 Please do this:

 Email: cyclo...@gmail.com javascript:

 Use a Subject Line: SimpleBeam Order

 Include your name, email and a simple statement of desire to be in the 
 queue. State frame size, quantity.  

 DO NOT GIVE any payment information - I cannot  be responsible for your 
 payment security (and you should never, ever put that in an email anyway...)

 Please note - I do not work for Rivendell Bicycle Works.  I am wrangling 
 this just to keep one iron in a separate fire for GP.  I'll keep you up to 
 date, and will advise Grant on a regular basis as to the quantity of solid 
 SimpleBeam confirmations.  

[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Ryan]

Yeah...as a 61 year old..the idea of a mixte SO appeals. Would push the 
price up, I suspect . Good idea,though
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:03:13 PM UTC-6, jus...@giftandvariety.org 
wrote: 

 I have a SO and love it. Maybe too much as it isn't my go-to bike as much 
 as I had intended it to be (or rationalized it). It gets more attention 
 than any other bike I have and I don't often let it leave my sight when I 
 do take it out. It is not the fault of the bike; I am just that fond of it. 
 I never understood why the SO didn't sell as well, or better than, the QB. 
 Beside the fact that it is made in a different factory (even Grant has said 
 that it is as well constructed as the QB) it has been improved upon with a 
 kickstand plate (I don't believe anyone that complains about the 'look or 
 weight of a plate... functionality wins here). All that said, I would buy 
 another if it were even MORE versatile with a rear cable bridge braze on 
 (helps when carrying smaller saddlebags without support) OR just switching 
 to sidepull breaks. I like the cantis but I think the sidepulls would make 
 a simple bike even simpler. But more than anything... I think that a new 
 SimpleBeam should be a Mixte frame! Yeah, it might be a deal breaker for 
 some that think a level top tube is the only top tube that counts but a 
 severely-sloping TT would make a useful bike even more useful with the 
 addition of racks (and baskets) and easy (dis)mouting. Sure, young folks 
 can swing those legs up like a dog marking their turf but with a mixte you 
 can step-through like you mean it. With slightly thicker tubes (like an 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/12/2013 03:51 PM, Ryan wrote:

Yeah...as a 61 year old..the idea of a mixte SO appeals.


What is there that would make an mixte especially appropriate for a 61 
year old?  And would that be more, or less appropriate than a mixte for 
a 71 year old?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[sameness]

Yeah... as a 40 year old... the idea of a mixte SO appeals.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree here with Steve, reluctantly. (Reluctant to be on the same
side of the fence as Steve is, not reluctant to hold his implied position.)
I don't see the point of a mixte unless you are very stiff (but I am; I
can't get to within 6 of my toes) or wear a skirt (only on Sunday).
Otherwise, you have a wobblier frame that is heavier and more expensive.

I've owned a few mixtes and I think they are neat for city bikes, but I've
never been able to lift my leg high enough drag my foot over the diagonals
without catching it on them and risking a fall -- I am serious here. I have
to swing the leg up over the saddle or bar, as usual. (Over the bar is
cooler but I risk a cramp when I do that.)

Is it a fashion thing?


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 12/12/2013 03:51 PM, Ryan wrote:

 Yeah...as a 61 year old..the idea of a mixte SO appeals.


 What is there that would make an mixte especially appropriate for a 61
 year old?  And would that be more, or less appropriate than a mixte for a
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill Lindsay]

News flash:  Two adult men who find it easier to *swing over* than *step 
through* agree that a step-through frame design offers them little benefit 
over the diamond frame design. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Eric Daume]

So, a single speed bike for old people with presumably bad hips but good
knees?


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM, jus...@giftandvariety.org 
justinatgiftandvari...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a SO and love it. Maybe too much as it isn't my go-to bike as much
 as I had intended it to be (or rationalized it). It gets more attention
 than any other bike I have and I don't often let it leave my sight when I
 do take it out. It is not the fault of the bike; I am just that fond of it.
 I never understood why the SO didn't sell as well, or better than, the QB.
 Beside the fact that it is made in a different factory (even Grant has said
 that it is as well constructed as the QB) it has been improved upon with a
 kickstand plate (I don't believe anyone that complains about the 'look or
 weight of a plate... functionality wins here). All that said, I would buy
 another if it were even MORE versatile with a rear cable bridge braze on
 (helps when carrying smaller saddlebags without support) OR just switching
 to sidepull breaks. I like the cantis but I think the sidepulls would make
 a simple bike even simpler. But more than anything... I think that a new
 SimpleBeam should be a Mixte frame! Yeah, it might be a deal breaker for
 some that think a level top tube is the only top tube that counts but a
 severely-sloping TT would make a useful bike even more useful with the
 addition of racks (and baskets) and easy (dis)mouting. Sure, young folks
 can swing those legs up like a dog marking their turf but with a mixte you
 can step-through like you mean it. With slightly thicker tubes (like an
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[redsydude]

If the concept is a Sam like single speed, a Betty like single speed 
would also be $1200.  
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:51:59 PM UTC-8, Ryan wrote:

 Yeah...as a 61 year old..the idea of a mixte SO appeals. Would push the 
 price up, I suspect . Good idea,though
 On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:03:13 PM UTC-6, 
 jus...@giftandvariety.org wrote: 

 I have a SO and love it. Maybe too much as it isn't my go-to bike as much 
 as I had intended it to be (or rationalized it). It gets more attention 
 than any other bike I have and I don't often let it leave my sight when I 
 do take it out. It is not the fault of the bike; I am just that fond of it. 
 I never understood why the SO didn't sell as well, or better than, the QB. 
 Beside the fact that it is made in a different factory (even Grant has said 
 that it is as well constructed as the QB) it has been improved upon with a 
 kickstand plate (I don't believe anyone that complains about the 'look or 
 weight of a plate... functionality wins here). All that said, I would buy 
 another if it were even MORE versatile with a rear cable bridge braze on 
 (helps when carrying smaller saddlebags without support) OR just switching 
 to sidepull breaks. I like the cantis but I think the sidepulls would make 
 a simple bike even simpler. But more than anything... I think that a new 
 SimpleBeam should be a Mixte frame! Yeah, it might be a deal breaker for 
 some that think a level top tube is the only top tube that counts but a 
 severely-sloping TT would make a useful bike even more useful with the 
 addition of racks (and baskets) and easy (dis)mouting. Sure, young folks 
 can swing those legs up like a dog marking their turf but with a mixte you 
 can step-through like you mean it. With slightly thicker tubes (like an 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[cyclotourist]

I love my wife's step-through. I was close to getting that Wilbury on
ebay recently, but then bidding jumped about $600 more than it was
worth to me. Something really cool about a step-through frame.

On 12/12/13, Edwin W dweenda...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I agree with the Mixte idea. It is even more niche than the QB or SO, but

 an as of yet unexplored niche!




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[jus...@giftandvariety.org]

I have a SO and love it. Maybe too much as it isn't my go-to bike as much 
as I had intended it to be (or rationalized it). It gets more attention 
than any other bike I have and I don't often let it leave my sight when I 
do take it out. It is not the fault of the bike; I am just that fond of it. 
I never understood why the SO didn't sell as well, or better than, the QB. 
Beside the fact that it is made in a different factory (even Grant has said 
that it is as well constructed as the QB) it has been improved upon with a 
kickstand plate (I don't believe anyone that complains about the 'look or 
weight of a plate... functionality wins here). All that said, I would buy 
another if it were even MORE versatile with a rear cable bridge braze on 
(helps when carrying smaller saddlebags without support) OR just switching 
to sidepull breaks. I like the cantis but I think the sidepulls would make 
a simple bike even simpler. But more than anything... I think that a new 
SimpleBeam should be a Mixte frame! Yeah, it might be a deal breaker for 
some that think a level top tube is the only top tube that counts but a 
severely-sloping TT would make a useful bike even more useful with the 
addition of racks (and baskets) and easy (dis)mouting. Sure, young folks 
can swing those legs up like a dog marking their turf but with a mixte you 
can step-through like you mean it. With slightly thicker tubes (like an 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Ron MH]

I don't see myself on anything with double top tubes (an inelegant and heavy 
solution in search of a problem, IMHO). Nor do I think giant, soft side pulls 
are a good idea. At least with canti studs, one can use either can't is or 
linear pull brakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Trevor saxton]

It also makes those of us who bought, loved and sold one think all kinds of 
terrible thoughts.  If they came out with another version, I'd say the only 
change I'd recommend is xtra long reach calliper brakes instead of cantis, 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

So far this thread is turning out to be a good example of what Grant was 
probably hoping to avoid. Everybody has their little pet feature, which, if 
implemented, would be a deal-breaker for at least 50% of other potential 
buyers. If this turns out to be 650B with a threadless headset, 135 spacing, 
double TT, and Cambio-Corsa dropouts, maybe one person on Earth won't be turned 
off or alienated, but that one guy doesn't have any money. Oh well!

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Making all QB/SO owners think, SO glad I pulled the trigger!

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So far this thread is turning out to be a good example of what Grant was 
probably hoping to avoid. Everybody has their little pet feature, which, if 
implemented, would be a deal-breaker for at least 50% of other potential 
buyers. If this turns out to be 650B with a threadless headset, 135 spacing, 
double TT, and Cambio-Corsa dropouts, maybe one person on Earth won't be turned 
off or alienated, but that one guy doesn't have any money. Oh well!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill Lindsay]

...and making all non-QB/SO owners think, I need to have the cash ready to 
pounce next time I see one on the list

Bill who would take a 58 Lindsay

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:28:59 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

 Making all QB/SO owners think, SO glad I pulled the trigger! 




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Actually, what interests me is that aside from a reasonably small subset of 
posters (at this time ~17 out of the 2500 on the list), this thread seem to 
be more about the _lack_ of complaints regarding the ideals of the 
Quickbeam / SimpleOne.  I think that attests to its quality.  The reason 
when I saw it first announced in a Reader, it made me think - that's 
it... (Though I will also admit that the Orange run made it perfect).

Fact is, if my Quickbeam went away, I'd want to replace it exactly.   (Ok, 
I think I already mentioned a desire for mid-seatstay braze-ons so I 
wouldn't have to p-clamp a small rear rack... )

But, when I ride an Appaloosa and think - Dang! Upright bars aren't bad 
and this pony seems uber-nimble and want to replace my errand bike (The 
Zeus 650B Conversion project) so that I could do a fun loop on the way to 
the store, and spin contentedly home. Or, I look at the alluringly robust 
Hunqapillar and think - Mmmm you slap the Quickbeam dropouts into that 
frame and there's nothing that could possibly rougher, tougher, all-world 
rambler...  It makes me realize my tastes run to the simpler setups, and 
it caused me to instigate this conversation thread. 

With the developments in knobby 650B/584 tires by the mtb folks, as well as 
the adoption of 29er treads in a 700C/622 size, there are a bunch more 
tire options out there. All of which let you dream a bit broader for a v2.0 
design.  Let's you think about wider hubs - and I've always wanted a Paul 
WORD rear...   Or think bigger - A Pugsley-type 'Beam?  That may be too 
much of an outlier ;^) (and I've always wanted a Pug-type bike, but sadly 
have no realistic reason to own one here in the middle of CA.)

Thanks for being a part of this conversation so far!  keep the thoughts and 
ideas coming.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Scott G.]

How about Campagnolo Cambio Corsa drop outs for the SimpleBeam ?

A Silver Cambio Corsa mech would be be fun.
The Paris--Roubaix mech is probably too complex to reproduce.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Peter Morgano]

I thought this was supposed to be simple..
On Nov 26, 2013 9:13 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote:

 How about Campagnolo Cambio Corsa drop outs for the SimpleBeam ?

 A Silver Cambio Corsa mech would be be fun.
 The Paris--Roubaix mech is probably too complex to reproduce.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Deacon Patrick]

Simple is the most complex idea of all. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:50:34 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 I thought this was supposed to be simple.. 
 On Nov 26, 2013 9:13 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com javascript: 
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 How about Campagnolo Cambio Corsa drop outs for the SimpleBeam ?

 A Silver Cambio Corsa mech would be be fun.
 The Paris--Roubaix mech is probably too complex to reproduce.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Eric Norris]

Now THAT is something I would buy.

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 On Nov 26, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote:
 
 How about Campagnolo Cambio Corsa drop outs for the SimpleBeam ?
 
 A Silver Cambio Corsa mech would be be fun.
 The Paris--Roubaix mech is probably too complex to reproduce.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Patrick Moore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZhSNdO_Zo

Even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6UYOlN4FTU

Who needs DSI or whatever it's called?


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 Now THAT is something I would buy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Peter Morgano]

So if  enough people wanted an Atlantis with clearance for 65s we could
make that happen too??


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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZhSNdO_Zo

 Even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6UYOlN4FTU

 Who needs DSI or whatever it's called?


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 Now THAT is something I would buy.

 Eric N
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Allan in Portland]

Not an expert, but this sounds like a Kickstarter.

Just sayin', fwiw. Cheers.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Kieran J]

Neat!

On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:17:03 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 In a separate thread, I seem to have been volunteered to collect names of 
 those seriously interested in a next generation SimpleOne / Quickbeam.

 The thread can be found here:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U

 Please take a moment to read it all the way through.  Thanks!

 Ok... Welcome back!

 here's what Grant posted:

 On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote: 

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use everybody not in the 
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
 my life. 
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
 try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
 promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

 Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 

 If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
 may be an extra year or two.

 I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
 difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
 sense for us right now. 

 Thanks..

 Grant



 So - what happens next?

 I'll compile a list of takers/wanters/those-who-will-in-fact-pony-up.

 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND CAN COMMIT IN THE MANNER GRANT PROPOSED - 

 Please do this:

 Email: cyclo...@gmail.com javascript:

 Use a Subject Line: SimpleBeam Order

 Include your name, email and a simple statement of desire to be in the 
 queue. State frame size, quantity.  

 DO NOT GIVE any payment information - I cannot  be responsible for your 
 payment security (and you should never, ever put that in an email anyway...)

 Please note - I do not work for Rivendell Bicycle Works.  I am wrangling 
 this just to keep one iron in a separate fire for GP.  I'll keep you up to 
 date, and will advise Grant on a regular basis as to the quantity of solid 
 SimpleBeam confirmations.  Once we close in on ~30, I'll end up handing the 
 reigns off to the fine folks in Walnut Creek.  I 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bob Cook]

Kind of you to volunteer. ;-)

Would you, Jim, or any others out there have a sense whether Sam-like 
could mean 135 rear spacing? I ask because I learned the way of 
single-speed after the SOs were gone.  I have a Cross Check with a wheel 
set I like very much (Paul hubs, White Industries DOS ENO freewheel). The 
rear hub is 135 OLD. CC is a fine frame, but I want lugs, longer chain 
stays, kickstand plate, etc.

Thanks,
Bob

On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:17:03 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 In a separate thread, I seem to have been volunteered to collect names of 
 those seriously interested in a next generation SimpleOne / Quickbeam.

 The thread can be found here:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U

 Please take a moment to read it all the way through.  Thanks!

 Ok... Welcome back!

 here's what Grant posted:

 On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use everybody not in the 
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
 my life. 
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
 try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
 promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

 Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 

 If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
 may be an extra year or two.

 I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
 difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
 sense for us right now. 

 Thanks..

 Grant



 So - what happens next?

 I'll compile a list of takers/wanters/those-who-will-in-fact-pony-up.

 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND CAN COMMIT IN THE MANNER GRANT PROPOSED - 

 Please do this:

 Email: cyclo...@gmail.com javascript:

 Use a Subject Line: SimpleBeam Order

 Include your name, email and a simple statement of desire to be in the 
 queue. State frame size, quantity.  

 DO NOT GIVE any payment information - I cannot  be responsible for your 
 payment 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Philip Williamson]

Sam like probably means double top tubes in the larger sizes.
135 OLD would be a good idea. Threadless headset, too. Not being sarcastic, 
either. I think both of those are good things. Neither are must-haves for 
me (neither is another Quickbeam (but it sure would be nice)). 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, November 25, 2013 9:03:26 AM UTC-8, Bob Cook wrote:

 Kind of you to volunteer. ;-)

 Would you, Jim, or any others out there have a sense whether Sam-like 
 could mean 135 rear spacing? I ask because I learned the way of 
 single-speed after the SOs were gone.  I have a Cross Check with a wheel 
 set I like very much (Paul hubs, White Industries DOS ENO freewheel). The 
 rear hub is 135 OLD. CC is a fine frame, but I want lugs, longer chain 
 stays, kickstand plate, etc.

 Thanks,
 Bob

 On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:17:03 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 In a separate thread, I seem to have been volunteered to collect names of 
 those seriously interested in a next generation SimpleOne / Quickbeam.

 The thread can be found here:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U

 Please take a moment to read it all the way through.  Thanks!

 Ok... Welcome back!

 here's what Grant posted:

 On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use everybody not in the 
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
 my life. 
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
 try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
 promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

 Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 

 If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
 may be an extra year or two.

 I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this 
 a difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
 sense for us right now. 

 Thanks..

 Grant



 So - what happens next?

 I'll compile a list of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[James Warren]

"Sam like" - expanded geometry and not as many sizes offered. That's my guess.On Monday, November 25, 2013 9:03:26 AM UTC-8, Bob Cook wrote:Kind of you to "volunteer." ;-)Would you, Jim, or any others out there have a sense whether "Sam-like" could mean 135 rear spacing? I ask because I learned the way of single-speed after the SOs were gone. I have a Cross Check with a wheel set I like very much (Paul hubs, White Industries DOS ENO freewheel). The rear hub is 135 OLD. CC is a fine frame, but I want lugs, longer chain stays, kickstand plate, etc.Thanks,BobOn Monday, November 25, 2013 10:17:03 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:In a separate thread, I seem to have been volunteered to collect names of those seriously interested in a next generation SimpleOne / Quickbeam.The thread can be found here:https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1UPlease take a moment to read it all the way through. Thanks!Ok... Welcome back!here's what Grant posted:On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:Nothing's
 ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the SimpleBeams 
(forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point without 
accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the literal 
sense):Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when 
it was availabe. The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which
 in itself isn't the end of the world, but what it means for us is---it 
was a cash flow killer. We pay fully for 100 of them about two months 
before they arrive. Then it takes a year and a half or two years to sell
 them. One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily 
available, it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder 
genuinely--and maybe people who would have been buyers when the bike was
 around have just learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But 
there is a small tendency to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do 
it myself with other things in my life. Dang, they quit making that 
__ I've hemmed and hawed about and admired for years, but never 
wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy it, shoot!I don't
 mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes are so 
well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I could 
always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. 
So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!If
 we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
(that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. 
This time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this 
hypothetical scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the 
difference between the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, 
and it all gets weird and half the people who expressed willingness to 
get a new one now feel dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go 
that way.So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein 
to tweak it this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, 
but not a clone of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any 
color, any name, any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that 
ordering semi-blind isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: 
Track or horizontal dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide 
range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good 
clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but
 could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a good name, a nice badge, a 
really great singler.Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So
 sorryplease forgive me...but these months I have so many 
kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't have another one), and if the list
 reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200 by Dec 2014 for the 
frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a divorce or 
unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.I have a 
full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer questions 
about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can try, 
and I'll try, but I'm at my physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it may be an extra year or two.I
 know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a
 difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that 
makes sense for us right now. Thanks..GrantSo - what happens next?I'll compile a list of takers/wanters/those-who-will-in-fact-pony-up.IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND CAN COMMIT IN THE MANNER GRANT PROPOSED - Please do this:Email: cyclo...@gmail.comUse a Subject Line: SimpleBeam OrderInclude your name, email and a simple statement of desire to be in the queue. State frame size, quantity. DO
 NOT GIVE any payment information - I cannot be responsible 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Michael]

 6 degree sloping top tube?

  
I'd prefer 2 degrees at most. 
Because, to me, those single speeds look so dapper with a triangle frame 
like the QB and SO bikes.
But he already said anything goes and no guarantees.
However, I am sure that it will be *the* finest lugged steel single speed 
on the planet though no matter what the features are.

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