[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[George Rosselle]

Oh and I also have a Rosco Bubbe with the Ahearne bar. I tried a drop bar 
on it but just cannot get on with drop bars any more. The Ahearne works 
well on the bike, and reminds me of the 3spd Raleigh had when I was a kid. 
It is always an adventure when I ride that bike, same as when I was young.




On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, George Rosselle wrote:
>
> I received a Jones SWB on Monday, and rode it yesterday. It replaced a 
> Marin Pine Mountain. I found it to be quicker steering than the Marin, a 
> little bit lighter. I like it a lot. It did come with a rear wheel out of 
> true and a warped front brake rotor, which I would have made a bike shop 
> fix/replace had I bought it from a shop. I also found the chainline to 
> favor the smaller cogs on the cassette, I can hear the chain grinding when 
> in the largest three cogs. I suppose this is unavoidable with this size 
> tire, when on the largest cog there is only 2mm clearance with the tire. So 
> no moving the right crank in. I reckon this means a bit shorter cassette 
> and chain life, since I do use those cogs. But overall I really enjoyed 
> riding the bike on this first ride.
>
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 2:57:03 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>> Erik - your die report makes me think the complete Jones SWB might be a 
>> great option. I am hoping there will be a few ride reports and maybe a used 
>> one will pop up. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[George Rosselle]

I received a Jones SWB on Monday, and rode it yesterday. It replaced a 
Marin Pine Mountain. I found it to be quicker steering than the Marin, a 
little bit lighter. I like it a lot. It did come with a rear wheel out of 
true and a warped front brake rotor, which I would have made a bike shop 
fix/replace had I bought it from a shop. I also found the chainline to 
favor the smaller cogs on the cassette, I can hear the chain grinding when 
in the largest three cogs. I suppose this is unavoidable with this size 
tire, when on the largest cog there is only 2mm clearance with the tire. So 
no moving the right crank in. I reckon this means a bit shorter cassette 
and chain life, since I do use those cogs. But overall I really enjoyed 
riding the bike on this first ride.

On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 2:57:03 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Erik - your die report makes me think the complete Jones SWB might be a 
> great option. I am hoping there will be a few ride reports and maybe a used 
> one will pop up. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jonathan D.]

Erik - your die report makes me think the complete Jones SWB might be a great 
option. I am hoping there will be a few ride reports and maybe a used one will 
pop up. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[S. Greco]

I'm a huge fan of the Ahearnes. They are the only bars that knocked 
Albatrosses off some of my bikes and replaced Jitensha bars (my other 
faves) on the other rides. They have enough room to run thumbies and/or a 
bell and still have a few comfortable hand positions. I've had both the 
wide and normal widths and didn't notice a huge difference. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Eric Daume]

I really enjoyed a lot about my Jones Plus. It was an amazing technical
climber. It was one of the best descending bikes I’ve owned, rigid or
suspended. Super comfortable. But, I found the inertia of the big 29+ wheel
just too much for my relatively tight trails. I would steer for a sharp
turn, and there was a definite lag as the wheel reacted. I’ve been riding
B+ mtbs lately, and I find that wheel size a better balance of grip,
comfort, and maneuverability. I’m think a Jones SWB might be the bike for
me.

A few other nitpicks about the Jones: the bottom bracket was borderline too
low, even with the EBB in the up position. And the front through axle was a
PITA to use. The little end caps would pop off when inserting a wheel. I
think he uses a different through axle design now.

Eric

On Monday, August 6, 2018, Jonathan D.  wrote:

> Eric. Thanks for the ride reports. I really enjoyed the Clem right up and
> enjoy the blog. I would be curious to know why you sold the Jones. I am
> thinking of rounding out my bikes with a Jones. I currently have a Joe,
> Romulus and Monstercross, and I don’t think there would be much overlap
> with a Jones. This would mean selling a Rambouillet and Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jonathan D.]

Eric. Thanks for the ride reports. I really enjoyed the Clem right up and enjoy 
the blog. I would be curious to know why you sold the Jones. I am thinking of 
rounding out my bikes with a Jones. I currently have a Joe, Romulus and 
Monstercross, and I don’t think there would be much overlap with a Jones. This 
would mean selling a Rambouillet and Sam. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Eric Daume]

I've used Jones bars on both my Clem and my BMC Monstercross (you see them
here ). I
really enjoy the bar on both bikes:

- on the BMC, I find myself shifting around a lot less than I do on drops.
The Jones give me two or three very solid hand positions.

- on the Clem, the Jones are far, far superior to the Boscos, which I never
liked .I found the Boscos' position to be to be either too upright (ends),
too slippery (forward bend), or too narrow (flats near stem). Lots of real
estate, none of it valuable. OTOH, the Jones bars give you a great,
upright, in-control position (on the ends), a fine cruising position (at
the crosspiece weld), and an acceptable aero position (forward loop).

With the Clem's longer top tube, I run the Jones bar with a 60mm stem. On
the shorter BMC, I used a 100mm stem.

Eric


On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with the Jones bars on a
> Rivendell. I was considering building a Sam with the Jones bars (SG 2.5) or
> putting them on a BMC Monstercross. I would love hear impressions. Also I
> would be interested in purchasing a used pair if someone has one.
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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[tc]

Good point about the shorter column height on the UI-12, Irving. I found it 
just fine though because:
- The Jones bar comes back pretty far. Plenty. 
- My UI-12 had a short 60mm center bolt-to-clamp length

The good thing is that there are several bar and clamp options to get a Jones 
bar on a Riv and then go enjoy the heck out of it!

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jonathan D.]

Nice photo. I saw a BMC MC as well. How do you think the Jones bars would work 
on a Monstercross?  Debating going with drops or Jones it. I might post a WTB. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Irving]

I've had Albatrosses on my previous Cheviot and had Chocomoose bars on my 
Hunq previously. I love the Jones bars and have been riding them all year 
on various dirt rides and tours in the Bay Area.

Some quick thoughts: 

   - the Nitto UI-12 is a great 4 bolt stem but it doesn't have a tall 
   quill height if you need to get the bars UP
   - The nickel plating on the VO 31.8 quill stem is fantastic and it goes 
   really well with the finish 
    on the Jones 
   SG bars
   - If I were to do it over, I'd just get the H-Bend bars... but the Loop 
   bars have the extra kooky factor and the 2.5 is next level


On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with the Jones bars on a 
> Rivendell. I was considering building a Sam with the Jones bars (SG 2.5) or 
> putting them on a BMC Monstercross. I would love hear impressions. Also I 
> would be interested in purchasing a used pair if someone has one. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[tc]

Oops, bad link from cell phone in my post.  Hopefully this will work:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/jm-Ea-zFKiA/8C3CLV-OBAAJ

On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 11:05:13 AM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> The Jones Loop is a fantastic bar. I put one on a Clem H using a 4-bolt 
> Nitto UI-12 stem since I wanted a more solid clamp for gravel and single 
> track. I have since sold it (not because of the Jones bar ... perfect for 
> it). 
>
> See this thread, with link to pics on the last post. 
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Jones$20bar/rbw-owners-bunch/jm-Ea-zFKiA
>
> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Justin, Oakland]

Talk to @swwirving on instagram. He has them on his Hunq. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jonathan D.]

I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with the Jones bars on a 
Rivendell. I was considering building a Sam with the Jones bars (SG 2.5) or 
putting them on a BMC Monstercross. I would love hear impressions. Also I would 
be interested in purchasing a used pair if someone has one. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Lester Lammers]

Bars are a very personal thing. What frame do you have?

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 4:18:38 AM UTC-4, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all-
>
> I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the 
> Albatross bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position. 
> Plus, they're gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished 
> they were wider. Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars 
> before them or that I have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well 
> some long rides and varied terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle 
> more comfortably. 
>
> Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering 
> the Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest 
> hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that 
> out loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could 
> clash on a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good 
> solution, but they hand position wouldn't really be wider that the 
> Albatross. 
>
> Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to 
> sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over 
> function? Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?
>
> Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the 
> angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they 
> aren't much wider?
>
> Thanks! 
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[T Cal]

Howdy -- I have a bunch of bikes set up a bunch of ways.  I just did a 
quick measuring and almost all of them have a distance of 21-22" between 
the middle of the handlebar clamp to the tip of the saddle.  (FYI, I'm 6'3" 
with a pbh around 93cm.)  The two exceptions are:  my brompton has a 
distance of 20" and my mystery bike/appaloosa is close to 24" (it is the 
only bike with boscomoose bars on it.  all others are noodles, albatross, 
or one of the VO non-drop bars -- and two have jones loop-h bars).  The two 
bikes with jones loop-h bars are a Jones Ti LWB Plus and a Surly Pugsley.  
both of those bikes are in the 21-22" clamp-to-saddle tip range, with bars 
set at saddle height.  Both bikes 'feel' very upright.  Bottom line:  as a 
starting point, I would recommend a bar clamp-to-saddle tip distance that 
is in the same range as your existing bikes that you find comfortable.

Re: the jones loop-h bars.  I've tried them on a townie bike and didn't 
much care for them.  I love them on the Jones and Pugsley, but haven't 
really liked them in other applications.

Ty

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 1:18:38 AM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all-
>
> I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the 
> Albatross bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position. 
> Plus, they're gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished 
> they were wider. Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars 
> before them or that I have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well 
> some long rides and varied terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle 
> more comfortably. 
>
> Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering 
> the Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest 
> hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that 
> out loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could 
> clash on a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good 
> solution, but they hand position wouldn't really be wider that the 
> Albatross. 
>
> Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to 
> sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over 
> function? Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?
>
> Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the 
> angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they 
> aren't much wider?
>
> Thanks! 
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

The Clem is only the 2nd bike I’ve tried them but both builds used effectively 
short reach riser stems.  I can’t recall the exact spec of the stem currently 
in use but when measured at a 90degree/zero degree angle from quill bolt it’s 
about 6cm reach vs 12cm tallux that came stock with Bosco bar.  The 2.5” riser 
Jones Bar also gets the grips nice and high with ease but yes, in my limited 
experience I’d think a shorter & taller stem would generally be called for.  
This bar paired nicely on a smaller frame with a spare FSA Metropolis tall 
stack stem with 90mm reach (less effective reach due to rise angle.)

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Kevin Mulcahy]

It took me a long time to find the perfect reach and height for adapting my 
mtb to a Jones bar. For the benefit of the OP, does anyone have a have 
suggestions about how to setup a Jones bar? I ended up raising the stem 
about 2-3cm and shortening the reach a bit (this is on a contemporary mtb). 
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Apparently wrote my message in the middle of quoted text before so trying that 
again...
 Thought I’d share another Jones equipped Riv Clem H... a 65cm beast named Lil’ 
Herman Clemmington.  I’m reviving an old thread but was all set to start my own 
with a longer narrative but accidentally lost it all when I went to switch over 
to desktop mode from mobile so that I could attach a photo... hadn’t tried 
making the switch mid post before and didn’t realize text got wiped like that 
and I’m not inclined to rewrite everything at the moment.  Hope the pic loads 
ok but if not I’ll delete.  This is at our local park alongside an old radio 
tower foundation where first international phone calls were made pre-WWII.  
Lots of these ruins out in the grasses along a stretch of trail.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 11:22:55 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 4:18:38 AM UTC-4, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
> > Hey, Y'all-
> > 
> > I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the 
> > Albatross bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position. 
> > Plus, they're gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished 
> > they were wider. Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars 
> > before them or that I have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well 
> > some long rides and varied terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle 
> > more comfortably. 
> Thought I’d share another Jones equipped Riv Clem H... a 65cm beast named 
> Lil’ Herman Clemmington.  I’m reviving an old thread but was all set to start 
> my own with a longer narrative but accidentally lost it all when I went to 
> switch over to desktop mode from mobile so that I could attach a photo... 
> hadn’t tried making the switch mid post before and didn’t realize text got 
> wiped like that and I’m not inclined to rewrite everything at the moment.  
> Hope the pic loads ok but if not I’ll delete.  This is at our local park 
> alongside an old radio tower foundation where first international phone calls 
> were made pre-WWII.  Lots of these ruins out in the grasses along a stretch 
> of trail.
> 
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville NJ> 
> > Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering 
> > the Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest 
> > hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that 
> > out loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could 
> > clash on a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good 
> > solution, but they hand position wouldn't really be wider that the 
> > Albatross. 
> > 
> > Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to 
> > sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over 
> > function? Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?
> > 
> > Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the 
> > angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they 
> > aren't much wider?
> > 
> > Thanks! 
> > Tim
> > Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Brendan McD]

Tim,

I also feel like I'm always in a search for the "perfect" handlebar, and 
frequently find reasons to change them. I currently have the widest Bosco 
bar on my Hunq, which is great, but does come waaay back and doesn't do me 
many favors when riding off road. I've also happily used the Bullmoose, 
which fits much like my favorite bar: the Simworks Getaround. It's wide, 
the grip angle fits me perfect, and it has plenty of space for levers and 
shifters. Definitely check their bars out. They have some funky shapes, but 
are made by Nitto and therefore I think they mostly still look "right" on a 
Riv.

I also have stashed 710mm Jones bars and 31.8mm On One Mary's. I'm also in 
Portland and would happily invite you to come check out any bars in my 
collection. Feel free to message me off-list if you're interested.

Brendan
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Philip Kim]

forgot to attach pics.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIdW3E0AhoZ/?taken-by=philipwkim (map ahearne 
610mm)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHLEbCnhzEs/?taken-by=philipwkim (jones loop 
bars 660mm)

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 5:45:13 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I love the loop bars. 660 was plenty wide for me, especially if you plan 
> on doing any city riding

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