[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bill Lindsay]

No it does not take a 27.2mm seatpost. The frameset comes with a 26.8mm 
seatpost.  Yes, they are Taiwan made.  

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Christopher Cote]

Thanks! I've been thinking about how this frame is a ton of bang for the buck. 
Does it take a 27.2mm seatpost? These are made in Taiwan, right?

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bill Lindsay]

The Bob Jon Pass measures a true 35mm on Open Pro rims.  The closest spot for 
clearance is under the fork crown. I probably would be comfortable with 38s 
with fenders and I suspect Rock and Roads would fit without fenders, and those 
are 43mm knobbies

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Christopher Cote]

How is the tire clearance? Are the chainstays the limiting point? What's 
the actual width of the Bon Jon Pass tires? How big do you think you could 
go with/without fenders? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but inquiring 
minds have to know!

Chris


On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 1:06:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Carla asked about what surfaces I've ridden on and how it rides.  It's my 
> daily commute bike.  It's essentially aroad bike with 700x35 Bon Jon Pass 
> tires.  There's a short mud trail on my path through the hills, but I 
> wouldn't call that mountain riding.  Now that the rain has appeared to let 
> up, I'm thinking about running Rock and Roads with no fenders, but it's 
> great the way it is.  It rides like a Rivendell Road bike.  Solid, lively, 
> comfortable, predictable.  
>
> John asked about the front rack.   It's a mini-porteur rack by the builder 
> "Haulin Colin"
>
> Jay asked 'why go to all the trouble' of making my own super compact 
> double instead of buying the Rivendell offering of the shelf.  Certainly if 
> you have more money than free time, or more money than inclination to pull 
> together a concept, then a turnkey solution like the Rivendell Sugino 
> offering is way easier.  In my case, I ended uip with a crankset that is 
> lighter, stronger, prettier, has 172.5mm arms, a lower q-factor, and cost 
> about half the price.  Also, as Jeremy pointed out, I love it when a plan 
> comes together
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>> Bill what type of surfaced have you ridden and what tires are you using? 
>> Would you describe how the Rosco feels when you are riding it? Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bill Lindsay]

Carla asked about what surfaces I've ridden on and how it rides.  It's my 
daily commute bike.  It's essentially aroad bike with 700x35 Bon Jon Pass 
tires.  There's a short mud trail on my path through the hills, but I 
wouldn't call that mountain riding.  Now that the rain has appeared to let 
up, I'm thinking about running Rock and Roads with no fenders, but it's 
great the way it is.  It rides like a Rivendell Road bike.  Solid, lively, 
comfortable, predictable.  

John asked about the front rack.   It's a mini-porteur rack by the builder 
"Haulin Colin"

Jay asked 'why go to all the trouble' of making my own super compact double 
instead of buying the Rivendell offering of the shelf.  Certainly if you 
have more money than free time, or more money than inclination to pull 
together a concept, then a turnkey solution like the Rivendell Sugino 
offering is way easier.  In my case, I ended uip with a crankset that is 
lighter, stronger, prettier, has 172.5mm arms, a lower q-factor, and cost 
about half the price.  Also, as Jeremy pointed out, I love it when a plan 
comes together

BL in EC

On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Bill what type of surfaced have you ridden and what tires are you using? 
> Would you describe how the Rosco feels when you are riding it? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Ron Mc]

great colors all around

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 12:17:38 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My Rosco Road now has the massive Docena handlebar bag from Ocean Air 
> Cycles #builtbyswift.  I made my own decaleur solution, based largely on 
> the prototype that Rob Perks published on his blog.  The home made decaleur 
> uses Ortlieb pannier hardware for rock solid connection and one-hand 
> instant removability.  
>
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

What rack is used??  Looks to be wider than a Mark's rack.

Nice shot, straight out through the Golden Gate

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 1:17:38 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> My Rosco Road now has the massive Docena handlebar bag from Ocean Air 
> Cycles #builtbyswift.  I made my own decaleur solution, based largely on 
> the prototype that Rob Perks published on his blog.  The home made decaleur 
> uses Ortlieb pannier hardware for rock solid connection and one-hand 
> instant removability.  
>
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[David Banzer]

Nice looking bike. With the bag installed, the cloth tape choices for 
lift-a-tube and handlebar makes a lot more sense!
David
River Grove, IL

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 12:17:38 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My Rosco Road now has the massive Docena handlebar bag from Ocean Air 
> Cycles #builtbyswift.  I made my own decaleur solution, based largely on 
> the prototype that Rob Perks published on his blog.  The home made decaleur 
> uses Ortlieb pannier hardware for rock solid connection and one-hand 
> instant removability.  
>
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

Can you provide a link to the pannier hardware or a photo of the connection 
between your rod and the bag via the pannier hardware.

I understand the Nitto accessory to rod connection, but I picture the 26mm 
section as slighty offset from center,.  You described it as a "26.0mm end"

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Bill.  That's a great solution, the hardest part of the plan being 
that transition from the 23.8mm business end down to the 10mm required 
section.  To have it sectioned down to where it cannot slide is good work. 
 "Mad skills" as a co-worker used to say.

I am in the planning stages of reducing the number of bikes in the house, 
quality and true use over quantity, but once I can focus on the bikes that 
make the cut I am going to work on the decaleur solution myself, pretty 
much following Rob's ideas as well as yours.  I already have a Docena bag, 
the trick being finding the right long term bike/rack/sizing combination.

Thanks for the explanation!  Looking forward to whatever you publish about 
it...  

Oh, and I totally get the lift-a-tube...  When I lived in Denver, I used 
bikes and light rail and was forever mumbling when I had to lift my bike 
into the high cars with the tall, short steps.  Anything that can help with 
that, as well as climbing and carrying to basements, apartments, etc.  is a 
good thing here.

Bob
 

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 12:57:46 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Bob Lovejoy asked about my homemade decaleur.  It's something that I'm 
> pretty proud of, so I'll try to describe it a little more.  Yes, like Rob 
> Perks I started with a Nitto Accessory mount.  Here is one variant of that 
> product.  Link to Bens Cycle 
>  
>
> I used one clamp.  It has a 26.0mm end that clamps to the middle sleeve of 
> my Nitto Noodle.  The other end wants to clamp something 23.8mm in diameter 
> (a.k.a. 15/16").  I got some 15/16" aluminum bar stock and lathed it down 
> to 12mm and then a short section of 10mm on the ends.  Ortlieb pannier 
> hardware clips onto those 10mm ends.  The 12mm part stops the Ortlieb clips 
> from sliding.  I used the four-jaw chuck to lathe the part off center, 
> providing both clearance and adjustability.  Here's a shot at the business 
> end of the home made decaleur.  It's a little hard to see what's going on. 
>  I maybe should do a short youtube of the separate bits and how they go 
> together.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bill Lindsay]

Chris asked about the saddle.  It's an old Avocet R40.  It's ~20 years old. 
 

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 10:32:46 AM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Nice!  Just curious Bill, but what saddle do you have on that?

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bill Lindsay]

Bob Lovejoy asked about my homemade decaleur.  It's something that I'm 
pretty proud of, so I'll try to describe it a little more.  Yes, like Rob 
Perks I started with a Nitto Accessory mount.  Here is one variant of that 
product.  Link to Bens Cycle 
 

I used one clamp.  It has a 26.0mm end that clamps to the middle sleeve of 
my Nitto Noodle.  The other end wants to clamp something 23.8mm in diameter 
(a.k.a. 15/16").  I got some 15/16" aluminum bar stock and lathed it down 
to 12mm and then a short section of 10mm on the ends.  Ortlieb pannier 
hardware clips onto those 10mm ends.  The 12mm part stops the Ortlieb clips 
from sliding.  I used the four-jaw chuck to lathe the part off center, 
providing both clearance and adjustability.  Here's a shot at the business 
end of the home made decaleur.  It's a little hard to see what's going on. 
 I maybe should do a short youtube of the separate bits and how they go 
together.






On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 10:31:06 AM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Looks perfect Bill.  Well done, and the fact that your PC fits (as I think 
> I read) is great!
>
> Curious, did you use the Nitto Lampholder idea from Rob's original notes, 
> or did you you do something else?  
>
> Thanks and congrats on the excellent build and concept.
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Belopsky]

I like it but then I see the lift-a-tube and then I no longer like it but I 
know it's useful so I'm sure it's great.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Road is much more complete now. Docena handlebar bag

[Bob Lovejoy]

Looks perfect Bill.  Well done, and the fact that your PC fits (as I think 
I read) is great!

Curious, did you use the Nitto Lampholder idea from Rob's original notes, 
or did you you do something else?  

Thanks and congrats on the excellent build and concept.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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