[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack/F-15 Rack and Trunksack For Sale-Grid Grey
Sorry all away from computer today, these are sold. Thanks. On Feb 14, 2012 10:23 PM, "Peter M" wrote: > Have a tentative agreement to buy a Slickersack and Platrack so need > to make space or my wife will really just kill me, haha. So have my > Gridgrey barsack with F-15 rack for sale for $160 and the small grid- > grey Trunksack for sale for 55 bucks. Prices include shipping to all > 48 states. Here is a link to my Flikr account showing bags mounted to > my bike http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ . Bags have very > little usage, have never gotten wet and still look new. Thanks. > > Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack & headlight compatibility?
I did a "BarSack hack" and mount the 'Sack to my Mark's Rack. Didn't like the idea of having to get the Nitto thing that's a total mono-tasker. Seems a bit un-Riv-ish to me, actually. My light (B&M Ixon) mounts to the front tab of the rack, so there's no interference. (Sorry, I know this isn't really an answer to your question, but I had a similar concern so just avoided the problem altogether) -Pete (been a hack since way back...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OMIfrxtDiRAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
Thanks for responding Thomas! I'm afraid I have no experience with the slicker sack, but your info was very helpful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
Hi! I have a green BarSack/F-15. I have used it some but not consistently. I don't often feel like putting on the F-15 "fork", even though it is only a minor hassle. And I don't like leaving it on for days when I'm not going to use it. (I don't use the BarSack for commuting; I can't think of a way to protect it or its contents from ne'er-do-wells whilst parked at a train station for 9 hours at a time.) So that's a "con" right there. However, it has been wonderful in use. The magnetic open/close system is exactly what I hoped for: super-easy access but secure closure. They say keep the weight to a few pounds. But it held >5lbs for me without any additional support and did not appear "strained". It is not waterproof, though it is pretty protective. Small gaps can form between the top flap and the side flaps, depending on your contents. Those allow some water in the corners. The side pockets are not fully covered either. With rough-ride jostling, something tiny like a coin battery or a nut or washer stored loosely in a side pocket might bounce out. Bigger stuff is well-blocked by the flap. The material itself is, like all the Sackville stuff, rain resistant but will definitely soak through during a strong or long downpour and allow contents to get wet. If you intend to use the separately-sold map case, that'll prevent direct soaking through the top even in a sustained rain. The map case does make opening/closing a little less than perfect. But it still works fine. I have used the BarSack/F-15 combination on Albatross bars (required some tricky shimming, that did) and on Noodle bars (which required no shimming at all, of course). It's a very easy bag to use. And because it has *no* solid structure of its own, it works very well as a shoulder bag too. I think it comes with a shoulder strap; you should confirm that though. I'm probably not the person to ask about handling. It poses no problem for me. But then, I have no problem with an Arkel Big Bar Bag (actually a very solidly constructed box) carrying 10-15 pounds of shifty contents on camping trips. I guess I just don't understand or even notice "handling" problems of that sort. It never occurs to me to ride "no hands", so the fact that I probably can't do so well with a loaded high bar bag is moot. And I apparently maintain significant pressure on the handlebar when I ride, without incurring any particular discomfort. When people talk about handling, I think they must be referring to qualities which matter when you go 20+mph a *whole* lot more than they matter when you go 15mph. I go 15mph a lot. I very very rarely go 20+mph, and then only in a straight line. There's definitely a difference when I have any sort of weight on the front, be it high or low. And I wouldn't put 30 pounds up that high. But with the sort of weight I would ever put in a cloth bar bag (I'd probably stop at 10 lbs, even supported by a strap of some kind), it's not a difference that I even think about. I just hold on the handlebar and point it where I want it to go. You manage. It feels fine. It doesn't make me noticeably more tired after a 50 mile ride. (By the way, my Albatross bar is the 56cm bar; my Noodle is the 48cm bar.) If you expect to use it regularly or if you don't mind having the F-15 on the bar all the time, then my "con" won't be a con for you at all. If you will want to take it off the F-15 regularly, you can rig it with hex-socket "studs" or "set-screws" that thread into the ends of the F-15, leaving some thread exposed. Then use wing nuts on the exposed thread to secure the bag from sliding forward off the F-15. Now, the fact is that the "snap-around" flap in the back of the bag does a great job of holding the bag in place all on its own. I've used the bag without the wing nuts on the F-15 without any hint of a problem. But that was only with lighter loads (2-3 lbs). Whenever I go on the trail or for 10s of miles, I secure it in front just so I don't have to think about it. Oh, and on a drop bar, you can make installing/removing the fork super easy using a similar arrangement if you leave the handlebar clamp part connected all the time (which I do). It's pretty easy already with the standard bolts on the drop bar. The main reason I haven't used the bag more is that it is *not* as straightforward to install/remove the F-15's fork on the Albatross bars. The shim job I've done is not perfect. There's always pressure for the handlebar clamps to move out of alignment with the fork's rear "slots" for the clamp's "projections". So I always have to tinker with it to get it level and reasonably symmetrical on the Albatross bars, no matter how I secure the fork to the handlebar clamp (with either normal bolt/washer or stud/wingnut). And all in all, I'm sure the normal bolt/washer arrangement is more secure there. Feel free to ask questions if I haven't been clear about anything. And if you have any experience or know of anyone experience with a SlickerSack, please le
[RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack
I know the nitto F-15 still isn't in stock. However, it is my understanding that riv had some bags previously that used this set-up. Can any one speak to the front end behavior with the higher load? I'm weighing my options between this set-up and a decaleur/front rack mounted bag. -Erik C On Mar 25, 5:47 am, Ken Freeman wrote: > Jay, actually it does, since you're talking about hackable design features. > > With all those issues, what does the BarSack offer that the Acorn doesn't? > Or the Campagne or the Zugster, for that matter? Due to the BarSack's > positioning, especially on a Rivvish/Bobbish positioning, I don't see good > front end behavior coming out of this. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack
Jay, actually it does, since you're talking about hackable design features. With all those issues, what does the BarSack offer that the Acorn doesn't? Or the Campagne or the Zugster, for that matter? Due to the BarSack's positioning, especially on a Rivvish/Bobbish positioning, I don't see good front end behavior coming out of this. So far I'm hacking my old Rhode Gear bag to suit a top/bottom mount. This will move it about two inches closer to the steering axis and two inches lower. This will reduce the bag's effect on fork moment of inertia considerably, which can't be a bad thing. The bike was showing some not-good handling features due to positioning the bag high and three inches or so out from the 'bar. It should be improved. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM, J. Burkhalter wrote: > I don't think there is anything inherently special about the mounting > of this bag that would prevent you from hacking it for use with a > decaleur and front rack. I'm still waiting on the F-15 Nitto rack so > haven't tried the BarSack yet, but here are some things I would > consider before using this bag with a decaleur/front rack setup... > > 1. There is no horizontal leather strip along the top edge of the rear > of the bag where one would typically attach a decaleur. Instead there > is a 2-snap leather tab and the magnets for securing the lid. > 2. There is no slot or strap on the rear of the bag to attach to the > vertical part of a front Nitto or Berthoud rack. > 3. There are no stiffeners in the bag. The stiffener out of my Acorn > Rando bag fits in the Riv Barsack well, but would still need securing > at the top. > > IMO, for $135 this bag is a screaming deal, given the high quality > materials, craftsmanship, and design. > > Hope this helps, > -Jay > Denver, CO > > > > On Mar 24, 7:29 am, Ken Freeman wrote: > > That's been my thinking, too. I guess the underlying question is whether > > Grant is prone to hyperbole, since I don't really follow Riv too closely. > > It's either an amazing statement, an incomplete statement (as you > suggest), > > or sales fluffle (e.g, hyperbole). > > > > I'm in the middle of modifying my old Rhode Gear bag to take a decaleur > so I > > can test my Woodrup's geometry. I really don't see why any flat-bottomed > > bag that can accept a decaleur at the right height can't be front-racked. > > > > I'm just wondering if there's anything really special about this bag from > a > > mounting point of view. Looks to me like not. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:07 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote: > > > > Has anyone tried one yet? Whadd'ya think? > > > > > > The on-line page says it must be used with the special Nitto F15 > rack, > > > > which mounts to the handlebar. Anybody see why? Why can't it be > used > > > > with a decaleur and a little front bag rack, like a TA, Berthoud, or > > > > Nitto? > > > > > I see no reason why it couln't be used that way, Ken. I modified one > of > > > the original Kirtland Tour Paks (which also were originally meant to be > > > supported by rods, only the Kirtland hooked over the stem rather than > > > bolted to it like the Nitto) so I could use it with a VO front rack and > > > a Berthoud Decaleur > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668210913/in/set-721576061. > .. > > > and I've seen one of the old Riv Boxy Bags mounted that way also. > > > > > I think the intent is to say you can't just strap it onto the > handlebars > > > and let it hang loose, like you can with some of the other Riv > handlebar > > > bags. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com e...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Ken Freeman > > Ann Arbor, MI USA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack
I don't think there is anything inherently special about the mounting of this bag that would prevent you from hacking it for use with a decaleur and front rack. I'm still waiting on the F-15 Nitto rack so haven't tried the BarSack yet, but here are some things I would consider before using this bag with a decaleur/front rack setup... 1. There is no horizontal leather strip along the top edge of the rear of the bag where one would typically attach a decaleur. Instead there is a 2-snap leather tab and the magnets for securing the lid. 2. There is no slot or strap on the rear of the bag to attach to the vertical part of a front Nitto or Berthoud rack. 3. There are no stiffeners in the bag. The stiffener out of my Acorn Rando bag fits in the Riv Barsack well, but would still need securing at the top. IMO, for $135 this bag is a screaming deal, given the high quality materials, craftsmanship, and design. Hope this helps, -Jay Denver, CO On Mar 24, 7:29 am, Ken Freeman wrote: > That's been my thinking, too. I guess the underlying question is whether > Grant is prone to hyperbole, since I don't really follow Riv too closely. > It's either an amazing statement, an incomplete statement (as you suggest), > or sales fluffle (e.g, hyperbole). > > I'm in the middle of modifying my old Rhode Gear bag to take a decaleur so I > can test my Woodrup's geometry. I really don't see why any flat-bottomed > bag that can accept a decaleur at the right height can't be front-racked. > > I'm just wondering if there's anything really special about this bag from a > mounting point of view. Looks to me like not. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:07 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote: > > > Has anyone tried one yet? Whadd'ya think? > > > > The on-line page says it must be used with the special Nitto F15 rack, > > > which mounts to the handlebar. Anybody see why? Why can't it be used > > > with a decaleur and a little front bag rack, like a TA, Berthoud, or > > > Nitto? > > > I see no reason why it couln't be used that way, Ken. I modified one of > > the original Kirtland Tour Paks (which also were originally meant to be > > supported by rods, only the Kirtland hooked over the stem rather than > > bolted to it like the Nitto) so I could use it with a VO front rack and > > a Berthoud Decaleur > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668210913/in/set-721576061... > > and I've seen one of the old Riv Boxy Bags mounted that way also. > > > I think the intent is to say you can't just strap it onto the handlebars > > and let it hang loose, like you can with some of the other Riv handlebar > > bags. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > e...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Ken Freeman > Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack
I really liked the original handlebar brackets for Kirtland front bags. It was very easy to take on and off the bike and you didn't need elastic bungees going down to the fork dropout eyelets. There was also a handlebar waterbottle cage that mounted in a similar manner that was also easy to swap on and off as needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
On Feb 11, 5:52 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > And yes, the bolts on the front of the rack are M8s (perhaps with > built-in washers, judging from the photo on benscycle.net) Unless Nitto has changed things in the last year and change (or whenever Riv made their last F15 order -- I got my F15 when it was in the "no, never gonna have a bar bag again" section of the web specials) they're separate washers. If you didn't want to deal with unscrewing the bolts to remove the bag you could just plug the tubes with beeswax and sew a couple of fasteners to the back side and clip them around the back bar. Not much water ends up on that side of the bag, so you probably wouldn't even need to be extra careful about rewaterproofing. -david parsons -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
>From the horse's (his/Grant's) mouth, the main compartment is: 9.5 inches wide, 7 inches front-to-back, and about 8 inches tall. Or 240 x 178 x 200. (mm) (W x L x D) This is as wide as a large Ortlieb, but both deeper and longer front to back: 240 x ~135 x 175 (W x L x D). (Length is an average because the front of the bag is curved; sides are 120, center is 150.) Narrower than a small Berthoud, but longer (front to back) and equally deep: 270 x 145 x 200 (W x L x D). About the removal, couldn't you use washers small enough that the leather sleeves will slide over them if the bag is lifted slightly, but still prevent the leather sleeves from sliding over them if there is any kind of weight in the bag? And yes, the bolts on the front of the rack are M8s (perhaps with built-in washers, judging from the photo on benscycle.net) I am getting one! Gernot On Feb 12, 1:47 am, William Henderson wrote: > Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm > feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions: > > - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?) > - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take > it off the bike each time I lock up?) > - How much water can it take? > > wc. > > On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike wrote: > > > > > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > > Anyone order one yet? > > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
That would be perfect. On Feb 11, 5:30 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:23 -0800, rcnute wrote: > > I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that > > mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset). > > You mean, like this > one?http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/decaleur-for-ahead-style-stem.htmlhttp://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/close-up-of-modified-berthoud-d... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
I used to have the Carradice Boxy Bag (which I regret selling), which used the same Nitto mount, so I can comment on the second question. To take it off, you would need to unscrew the 2 buttonhead allen bolts at the front of the rack, then slide the bag off. But I found the allen bolts to be basically unnecessary. They are there to prevent the bag from slipping off the front, but the fit is such that the bag is not likely to completely slide off without you noticing. So you could leave off the bolts for easy removal. Alternatively, you could find different bolts -- such as "wing bolts" -- which would be easier to unscrew. It is a standard metric thread, maybe an 8M. Greg On Feb 11, 10:47 am, William Henderson wrote: > Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm > feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions: > > - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?) > - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take > it off the bike each time I lock up?) > - How much water can it take? > > wc. > > On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike wrote: > > > > > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > > Anyone order one yet? > > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions: - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?) - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take it off the bike each time I lock up?) - How much water can it take? wc. On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike wrote: > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > Anyone order one yet? > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:23 -0800, rcnute wrote: > I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that > mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset). You mean, like this one? http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/decaleur-for-ahead-style-stem.html http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/close-up-of-modified-berthoud-decaleur.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset). Ryan On Feb 10, 8:18 pm, Mike wrote: > I like the way it looks and I'm sure the quality is excellent. It > seems a great way to go for displaying a cute sheet and keeping some > snacks and a brevet card handy. The xs Sackville SaddleSack would be > the place to stash tools and tubes. > > At first I wasn't a fan of the Sackville stuff at all but then I went > ahead and picked up a small TrunkSack and SaddleSack and really love > them. The TS is perfect for shorter rides or when easy access to stuff > while riding isn't essential. But for brevets I really like being able > to view the cue sheet easily like you can with the Berthoud. > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
I like the way it looks and I'm sure the quality is excellent. It seems a great way to go for displaying a cute sheet and keeping some snacks and a brevet card handy. The xs Sackville SaddleSack would be the place to stash tools and tubes. At first I wasn't a fan of the Sackville stuff at all but then I went ahead and picked up a small TrunkSack and SaddleSack and really love them. The TS is perfect for shorter rides or when easy access to stuff while riding isn't essential. But for brevets I really like being able to view the cue sheet easily like you can with the Berthoud. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
I also have not been awed by the Sackville look (esp. the leather zipper covers), though they are slowly growing on me. That said, I think the Barsack is the most beautiful handlebar bag out there, with the possible exception of a Guu Watanabe in brown or burgundy. And the price is unbeatable. Way to go Rivendell. It seems really well engineered, too. Note the clever combo side pocket covers that double as the side flaps for the main compartment. I like the absence of rear pockets, as it makes for a much more comfortable shoulder bag (when I tour, I put my photo gear in my handlebar bag and thus end up carrying it around whenever I am off the bike). An option to mount on a Nitto mini front would be very nice. Since the bottom is all leather, but backed with cloth (see 4th photo, of interior), cutting slots into the leather for mounting points to a rack should be relatively straight forward. But the stiffeners will require a bit more work (fabric corners sewn into the interior top corners to slide the corners of a stiffener under?). Btw, Benscycle is out of stock on F-15s. Did you all snap them up already? :) Gernot On Feb 11, 5:46 am, scott wrote: > I saw the bags up last night. I think they look really great. It took > me awhile to like the new sackville line--appearance wise anyway--but > now I think they are beautiful. They really grew on me. But I was > turned off by something in the post that Grant wrote: "It requires the > Nitto F-15 rack; don't even try to make it work without it." Really? > Don't even try? Sounds like a dare if I ever heard one. > Also, if anyone is itching to pick up an F-15 rack before april, > Ben's cycles has them in > stock:http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id... > I've ordered hard to find nitto bits from them in the past. Nice folks > from Milwaukee. > > On Feb 10, 2:00 pm, Mike wrote: > > > > > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > > Anyone order one yet? > > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
>From Grant's description, "It requires the Nitto F-15 rack; don't even try to >make it work without it. That rack is not cheap but worth it." ...of course a statement like that makes the attempt irresistible for some! cheers, Andrew It looks like a fine bag for the right user and setup, but... (there's always a "but" when it comes to bags isn't there? ;-))... it appears to require a special attachment to the handlebars and that, for me, will likely be a deal-breaker. I already have a Nitto M-12 rack. I imagine the BarSack won't be suitable for a front rack because it has no internal stiffeners and, with time, its height and weight would cause it to collapse like an accordion. ~ Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
I saw the bags up last night. I think they look really great. It took me awhile to like the new sackville line--appearance wise anyway--but now I think they are beautiful. They really grew on me. But I was turned off by something in the post that Grant wrote: "It requires the Nitto F-15 rack; don't even try to make it work without it." Really? Don't even try? Sounds like a dare if I ever heard one. Also, if anyone is itching to pick up an F-15 rack before april, Ben's cycles has them in stock: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8112 I've ordered hard to find nitto bits from them in the past. Nice folks from Milwaukee. On Feb 10, 2:00 pm, Mike wrote: > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > Anyone order one yet? > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
Acorn uses a coroplast (?) stiffener in their boxy bag. I'm pretty abusive of such things & haven't been able to damage it. Might be a simple addition that would allow the BarSack to keep its shape. As to mounting on a rack, I've done a lot with small D-rings attached to bags with tubing clips, simple hardware store stuff. Shock cord or mini bungees allow easy attachment. dougP On Feb 10, 2:00 pm, Ron MH wrote: > It looks like a fine bag for the right user and setup, but... (there's > always a "but" when it comes to bags isn't there? ;-))... it appears > to require a special attachment to the handlebars and that, for me, > will likely be a deal-breaker. I already have a Nitto M-12 rack. I > imagine the BarSack won't be suitable for a front rack because it has > no internal stiffeners and, with time, its height and weight would > cause it to collapse like an accordion. > > ~ Ron > > On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike wrote: > > > > > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > > Anyone order one yet? > > > --mike- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack
It looks like a fine bag for the right user and setup, but... (there's always a "but" when it comes to bags isn't there? ;-))... it appears to require a special attachment to the handlebars and that, for me, will likely be a deal-breaker. I already have a Nitto M-12 rack. I imagine the BarSack won't be suitable for a front rack because it has no internal stiffeners and, with time, its height and weight would cause it to collapse like an accordion. ~ Ron On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike wrote: > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this. > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 > > Anyone order one yet? > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
