[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Ryan Fleming]

I know that every year (since I don't ride in winter)  my ass (sit bones) 
flat out hurt for a while. After a few rides , I'm good. I ride B-17 
specials. About the sensitive bits...they do get sensitive from time to 
time whether I'm wearing lycra (for longer rides) or FOTL cotton  under 
cargo shorts for work. I haven't successfully figured that out; I find 
lycra (pearl izumi ) stitching can bug me as  can standard cotton 
underweargeez, seamless would be best.   Maybe we're just sensitive, 
poetic souls :) I wonder what the other ladies can suggest. As for your 
saddle, maybe it's lost a bit of tension...it sounds like something may 
have altered there.

By the way, I'm so glad your surgery worked out and you are riding your 
Betty again!

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:51:06 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

I'm riding on Soma B-Line tires. They're plenty cushy, but grippy when it's 
wet and tough enough for city streets.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:18:54 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
>
>  Just a thought, but what tires are you riding? My wife thought her 
> Brooks B67s was too hard until I switched her Betty Foy over to a pair of 
> 26" Compass Bicycles' tires.
>
> The same worked for me on my Hunqapillar. After I put on a pair of Barlow 
> Pass tires, my favorite saddle is a Berthoud Mente.
>
> For us, it wasn't our saddles causing us pain, but rather the bumps and 
> road buzz from our rather poor city roads.
>
> YMMV,
>
> John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[John Phillips]

Hi Cecily,

 Just a thought, but what tires are you riding? My wife thought her 
Brooks B67s was too hard until I switched her Betty Foy over to a pair of 
26" Compass Bicycles' tires.

The same worked for me on my Hunqapillar. After I put on a pair of Barlow 
Pass tires, my favorite saddle is a Berthoud Mente.

For us, it wasn't our saddles causing us pain, but rather the bumps and 
road buzz from our rather poor city roads.

YMMV,

John


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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Michael Hechmer]

Cecily, I am very happy to read that you are riding again.  Yea!  I'm not a 
chica worrior but my wife, Patricia is.  She has tried many saddles. 
 Probably dislikes the Terry & B17 the least.   Her complaint was not about 
her buns but the lady parts.  I was especially motivated to help her solve 
this problem and we tried lots of reach, height, and saddle combos.  Many 
brought some improvement.  Then one day our parked tandem fell over and 
after we restarted riding we discovered that her saddle had been knocked 
5-10 degrees to the right.  I offered to fix it but she told me it was even 
better than OK.  She has been riding with an off centered saddle ever since,

Michael 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Liesl]

Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while and 
barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv Chicas, I 
gotta do my part!

I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and bar 
position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel different. I 
have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a LBS that will let 
you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a flyer, you might find 
out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.

Yours in solidarity,
RCW

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Linda G]

My theory (supported by some reading I've done) is that the muscles in the 
butt build up from riding, making for less soreness over the "sit bones" 
with time. I have a B17S on my Rivish bike and have found it to be 
comfortable from the start for the sit bones but I had to get the tilt and 
setback just right for comfort in other areas. I briefly tried a Terry 
women's touring saddle before the Brooks and my sit bones hurt like crazy 
no matter what I did. Now I have a new bike and since I already had the 
Terry saddle, I put it on. No sit bone discomfort at all. Both bikes have 
handlebars an inch or two above seat height. I had been riding regularly 
since I first put the Terry on the Rivish bike so I think I had just built 
up some muscles. So my advice is to play with the saddle adjustment. Maybe 
it got out of whack while you were not riding. Then just give it a try for 
awhile as you build your muscles back up. 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 2:51:06 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Garth]

I've had it happen to me  a saddle and type that once "worked" 
suddenly no longer does .  I ended up using saddles(much wider and well 
padded) I would never have thought I could or would ever use.  I now 
understand that all theories regarding saddles are no more than opinions, 
everyone has one and thus none are absolute . 

Maybe a like shaped padded saddle is for you , maybe a simple sheepskin 
cover for your Brooks , maybe somethin' somethin' . .  ..  

Bottom line :   Listen to yourSelf   

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Frederick]

If it was comfortable and now it is not, you probably need a new saddle. My 
wife's saddle changed over time and she bought a new one and the problem was 
solved.

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

Sadly that isn't ideal, as wrist pain/rheumatoid arthritis makes putting 
more force/strain on my wrists an unappealing solution. But thanks for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:44:33 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Cecily,
> Congratulations on the strong recovery!
>
> FWIW, and noting I am not a Chica Warrior, my wife could never get 
> comfortable on traditional saddles.  They caused discomfort in "sensitive 
> areas" etc...
> I bought her a Spiderflex saddle to try. 
> http://spiderflex.com/index.php?page=women-cyclists
>
> She loves it and swears it is the only saddle that has allowed her to ride 
> pain free.  Being hornless there are trade-offs: she has less control with 
> her inner thighs and has to guide/steer the bike more with her arms, it 
> puts a bit more weight on her arms/hands, and it looks unconventional. 
>  She, however, doesn't care as it allows her to ride relatively pain free 
> and any saddle soreness occurs on the back of her thighs where she doesn't 
> mind putting up with it until the skin toughens up each spring.  She rides 
> in an upright position using albatross bars.
>
> I believe the company is Canadian and might have a greater retail presence 
> in Vancouver than they do in the USA.
>
> Best wishes,
> Erl
> PS: photos of my wife's bike with the saddle here: 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjKCXJSY
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed 
>> that my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe 
>> it's because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to 
>> work comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
>> average. 
>>
>> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what 
>> I try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
>> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
>> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
>> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
>> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[WETH]

Cecily,
Congratulations on the strong recovery!

FWIW, and noting I am not a Chica Warrior, my wife could never get 
comfortable on traditional saddles.  They caused discomfort in "sensitive 
areas" etc...
I bought her a Spiderflex saddle to try. 
http://spiderflex.com/index.php?page=women-cyclists

She loves it and swears it is the only saddle that has allowed her to ride 
pain free.  Being hornless there are trade-offs: she has less control with 
her inner thighs and has to guide/steer the bike more with her arms, it 
puts a bit more weight on her arms/hands, and it looks unconventional. 
 She, however, doesn't care as it allows her to ride relatively pain free 
and any saddle soreness occurs on the back of her thighs where she doesn't 
mind putting up with it until the skin toughens up each spring.  She rides 
in an upright position using albatross bars.

I believe the company is Canadian and might have a greater retail presence 
in Vancouver than they do in the USA.

Best wishes,
Erl
PS: photos of my wife's bike with the saddle 
here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjKCXJSY


On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

I thought I'd post to say that after a few more short rides, my bum and the 
saddle are now friends again.  However, I'm eyeballing the new Brooks C19 
Cambium for no other reason than it's been a long time since I bought 
something new for my bike. 



On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 2:51:06 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Mike in WA]

Cambiums  are such great saddles (I have the C-17 carved). I had to have 2 
Berthoud saddles warp on me over time before I switched from the endlessly 
transient nature of leather. It's so nice to not have to be paranoid about 
rain and tension bolts and the saddle just stays the same -- perfect. 

On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I thought I'd post to say that after a few more short rides, my bum and 
> the saddle are now friends again.  However, I'm eyeballing the new Brooks 
> C19 Cambium for no other reason than it's been a long time since I bought 
> something new for my bike. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 2:51:06 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed 
>> that my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe 
>> it's because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to 
>> work comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
>> average. 
>>
>> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what 
>> I try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
>> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
>> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
>> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
>> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Ryan Fleming]

oh and one other question, Eunice,  since I'm getting one from Rivwhat 
is your custom mixte and pictures please if you care to share:)

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30:03 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
>
> Yay on riding your bike again! I know that feeling well!
>
> I haven't ridden much in the winter (and late fall), so when I went back 
> to riding, I was definitely a bit saddle sore. But my recovery was like 1-2 
> days, provided I kept on riding everyday. Like you, most of my riding is 
> short- anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to my destination.
>
> However, I don't know if this would be helpful or not, but I have 
> generally found Brooks women's saddles to be more uncomfortable than men's 
> saddles. I can barely tolerate Brooks women's B17 but am very comfortable 
> in a men's B17 (my favorite saddle). I can tolerate women's B67 but I have 
> to remember to keep the nose up or I slide off it. Brooks Flyer in men's 
> size is another okay-ish saddle for me- not as comfortable as men's B17, 
> but definitely far more preferable than women's. I suspect it may be a YMMV 
> thing, and there's probably a lot other factors going on (for example, the 
> women's saddles were probably not broken in, but the men's were).
>
> And if it helps here's the saddle/tire/bike combo:
> men's B17 // nomad resist 700 x 45 // AHH
> women's B67 // hetres 650b // custom mixte
> men's Flyer // panaracer pasela 700 x 32 // Quickbeam
>
> All on Albatross bars and relatively similar saddle height.
>
> Also, my pain tolerance is crazily high, so you might not want to listen 
> to me. I was riding uncomfortably on that women's B17 with the worst 
> handlebar position ever (lots of stress on wrists) for about 17 miles in 
> 97% humidity. On the other hand, I did get to ride on the tandem again as a 
> stoker in the cool summer night, under the stars, so it was worth every 
> mile and ouchie, but...
>
> -E.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Liesl > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while 
>> and barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv 
>> Chicas, I gotta do my part!
>>
>> I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and bar 
>> position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel different. 
>> I have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a LBS that will 
>> let you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a flyer, you 
>> might find out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.
>>
>> Yours in solidarity,
>> RCW
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[drew]

(If anyone has a brooks women's saddle they want to sell, I'm in the market)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Eunice I agree with you there.  I did not care for the shorter 
Women's B-17's either; I prefer the men's version. Fortunately my black 
ladies' B-17 found a good home, I think, so that's good...
After 2-3 days the sitbone aches and pains usually go away, but I generally 
have to grin and bear it for those first few rides

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30:03 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
>
> Yay on riding your bike again! I know that feeling well!
>
> I haven't ridden much in the winter (and late fall), so when I went back 
> to riding, I was definitely a bit saddle sore. But my recovery was like 1-2 
> days, provided I kept on riding everyday. Like you, most of my riding is 
> short- anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to my destination.
>
> However, I don't know if this would be helpful or not, but I have 
> generally found Brooks women's saddles to be more uncomfortable than men's 
> saddles. I can barely tolerate Brooks women's B17 but am very comfortable 
> in a men's B17 (my favorite saddle). I can tolerate women's B67 but I have 
> to remember to keep the nose up or I slide off it. Brooks Flyer in men's 
> size is another okay-ish saddle for me- not as comfortable as men's B17, 
> but definitely far more preferable than women's. I suspect it may be a YMMV 
> thing, and there's probably a lot other factors going on (for example, the 
> women's saddles were probably not broken in, but the men's were).
>
> And if it helps here's the saddle/tire/bike combo:
> men's B17 // nomad resist 700 x 45 // AHH
> women's B67 // hetres 650b // custom mixte
> men's Flyer // panaracer pasela 700 x 32 // Quickbeam
>
> All on Albatross bars and relatively similar saddle height.
>
> Also, my pain tolerance is crazily high, so you might not want to listen 
> to me. I was riding uncomfortably on that women's B17 with the worst 
> handlebar position ever (lots of stress on wrists) for about 17 miles in 
> 97% humidity. On the other hand, I did get to ride on the tandem again as a 
> stoker in the cool summer night, under the stars, so it was worth every 
> mile and ouchie, but...
>
> -E.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Liesl > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while 
>> and barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv 
>> Chicas, I gotta do my part!
>>
>> I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and bar 
>> position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel different. 
>> I have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a LBS that will 
>> let you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a flyer, you 
>> might find out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.
>>
>> Yours in solidarity,
>> RCW
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Lynne Fitz]

hi Drew, see my posting above... (saddle I could sell)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Eunice Chang]

Hi Cecily,

Yay on riding your bike again! I know that feeling well!

I haven't ridden much in the winter (and late fall), so when I went back to
riding, I was definitely a bit saddle sore. But my recovery was like 1-2
days, provided I kept on riding everyday. Like you, most of my riding is
short- anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to my destination.

However, I don't know if this would be helpful or not, but I have generally
found Brooks women's saddles to be more uncomfortable than men's saddles. I
can barely tolerate Brooks women's B17 but am very comfortable in a men's
B17 (my favorite saddle). I can tolerate women's B67 but I have to remember
to keep the nose up or I slide off it. Brooks Flyer in men's size is
another okay-ish saddle for me- not as comfortable as men's B17, but
definitely far more preferable than women's. I suspect it may be a YMMV
thing, and there's probably a lot other factors going on (for example, the
women's saddles were probably not broken in, but the men's were).

And if it helps here's the saddle/tire/bike combo:
men's B17 // nomad resist 700 x 45 // AHH
women's B67 // hetres 650b // custom mixte
men's Flyer // panaracer pasela 700 x 32 // Quickbeam

All on Albatross bars and relatively similar saddle height.

Also, my pain tolerance is crazily high, so you might not want to listen to
me. I was riding uncomfortably on that women's B17 with the worst handlebar
position ever (lots of stress on wrists) for about 17 miles in 97%
humidity. On the other hand, I did get to ride on the tandem again as a
stoker in the cool summer night, under the stars, so it was worth every
mile and ouchie, but...

-E.


On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Liesl  wrote:

> Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while
> and barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv
> Chicas, I gotta do my part!
>
> I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and bar
> position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel different.
> I have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a LBS that will
> let you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a flyer, you
> might find out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.
>
> Yours in solidarity,
> RCW
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Eunice Chang]

Hi Ryan,

My custom mixte was made by Ezra Caldwell of Fastboy Cycles - he sadly
passed away almost 2 years ago.

Here's my photoset of my mixte over the various years:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157623999231944

Here's Ezra's (more professional) photos of the mixte:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fastboy/albums/72157623834232427


-E.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> oh and one other question, Eunice,  since I'm getting one from Rivwhat
> is your custom mixte and pictures please if you care to share:)
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30:03 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cecily,
>>
>> Yay on riding your bike again! I know that feeling well!
>>
>> I haven't ridden much in the winter (and late fall), so when I went back
>> to riding, I was definitely a bit saddle sore. But my recovery was like 1-2
>> days, provided I kept on riding everyday. Like you, most of my riding is
>> short- anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to my destination.
>>
>> However, I don't know if this would be helpful or not, but I have
>> generally found Brooks women's saddles to be more uncomfortable than men's
>> saddles. I can barely tolerate Brooks women's B17 but am very comfortable
>> in a men's B17 (my favorite saddle). I can tolerate women's B67 but I have
>> to remember to keep the nose up or I slide off it. Brooks Flyer in men's
>> size is another okay-ish saddle for me- not as comfortable as men's B17,
>> but definitely far more preferable than women's. I suspect it may be a YMMV
>> thing, and there's probably a lot other factors going on (for example, the
>> women's saddles were probably not broken in, but the men's were).
>>
>> And if it helps here's the saddle/tire/bike combo:
>> men's B17 // nomad resist 700 x 45 // AHH
>> women's B67 // hetres 650b // custom mixte
>> men's Flyer // panaracer pasela 700 x 32 // Quickbeam
>>
>> All on Albatross bars and relatively similar saddle height.
>>
>> Also, my pain tolerance is crazily high, so you might not want to listen
>> to me. I was riding uncomfortably on that women's B17 with the worst
>> handlebar position ever (lots of stress on wrists) for about 17 miles in
>> 97% humidity. On the other hand, I did get to ride on the tandem again as a
>> stoker in the cool summer night, under the stars, so it was worth every
>> mile and ouchie, but...
>>
>> -E.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Liesl  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while
>>> and barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv
>>> Chicas, I gotta do my part!
>>>
>>> I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and bar
>>> position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel different.
>>> I have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a LBS that will
>>> let you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a flyer, you
>>> might find out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.
>>>
>>> Yours in solidarity,
>>> RCW
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful bicycle, and some nice artistic shots in that photo album. I have 
a bike that is very similar in color:






On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 9:27:33 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> My custom mixte was made by Ezra Caldwell of Fastboy Cycles - he sadly 
> passed away almost 2 years ago. 
>
> Here's my photoset of my mixte over the various years:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157623999231944
>
> Here's Ezra's (more professional) photos of the mixte:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/fastboy/albums/72157623834232427
>
>
> -E.
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> oh and one other question, Eunice,  since I'm getting one from 
>> Rivwhat is your custom mixte and pictures please if you care to share:)
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30:03 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Cecily,
>>>
>>> Yay on riding your bike again! I know that feeling well!
>>>
>>> I haven't ridden much in the winter (and late fall), so when I went back 
>>> to riding, I was definitely a bit saddle sore. But my recovery was like 1-2 
>>> days, provided I kept on riding everyday. Like you, most of my riding is 
>>> short- anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to my destination.
>>>
>>> However, I don't know if this would be helpful or not, but I have 
>>> generally found Brooks women's saddles to be more uncomfortable than men's 
>>> saddles. I can barely tolerate Brooks women's B17 but am very comfortable 
>>> in a men's B17 (my favorite saddle). I can tolerate women's B67 but I have 
>>> to remember to keep the nose up or I slide off it. Brooks Flyer in men's 
>>> size is another okay-ish saddle for me- not as comfortable as men's B17, 
>>> but definitely far more preferable than women's. I suspect it may be a YMMV 
>>> thing, and there's probably a lot other factors going on (for example, the 
>>> women's saddles were probably not broken in, but the men's were).
>>>
>>> And if it helps here's the saddle/tire/bike combo:
>>> men's B17 // nomad resist 700 x 45 // AHH
>>> women's B67 // hetres 650b // custom mixte
>>> men's Flyer // panaracer pasela 700 x 32 // Quickbeam
>>>
>>> All on Albatross bars and relatively similar saddle height.
>>>
>>> Also, my pain tolerance is crazily high, so you might not want to listen 
>>> to me. I was riding uncomfortably on that women's B17 with the worst 
>>> handlebar position ever (lots of stress on wrists) for about 17 miles in 
>>> 97% humidity. On the other hand, I did get to ride on the tandem again as a 
>>> stoker in the cool summer night, under the stars, so it was worth every 
>>> mile and ouchie, but...
>>>
>>> -E.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Liesl  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while 
 and barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv 
 Chicas, I gotta do my part!

 I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and 
 bar position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel 
 different. I have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a 
 LBS 
 that will let you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a 
 flyer, you might find out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.

 Yours in solidarity,
 RCW

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Ryan Fleming]

That's a really sweet looking bike and I like the colour a lot. Now is that 
a Rohloff rear you're using?

On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> My custom mixte was made by Ezra Caldwell of Fastboy Cycles - he sadly 
> passed away almost 2 years ago. 
>
> Here's my photoset of my mixte over the various years:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157623999231944
>
> Here's Ezra's (more professional) photos of the mixte:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/fastboy/albums/72157623834232427
>
>
> -E.
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> oh and one other question, Eunice,  since I'm getting one from 
>> Rivwhat is your custom mixte and pictures please if you care to share:)
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30:03 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Cecily,
>>>
>>> Yay on riding your bike again! I know that feeling well!
>>>
>>> I haven't ridden much in the winter (and late fall), so when I went back 
>>> to riding, I was definitely a bit saddle sore. But my recovery was like 1-2 
>>> days, provided I kept on riding everyday. Like you, most of my riding is 
>>> short- anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to my destination.
>>>
>>> However, I don't know if this would be helpful or not, but I have 
>>> generally found Brooks women's saddles to be more uncomfortable than men's 
>>> saddles. I can barely tolerate Brooks women's B17 but am very comfortable 
>>> in a men's B17 (my favorite saddle). I can tolerate women's B67 but I have 
>>> to remember to keep the nose up or I slide off it. Brooks Flyer in men's 
>>> size is another okay-ish saddle for me- not as comfortable as men's B17, 
>>> but definitely far more preferable than women's. I suspect it may be a YMMV 
>>> thing, and there's probably a lot other factors going on (for example, the 
>>> women's saddles were probably not broken in, but the men's were).
>>>
>>> And if it helps here's the saddle/tire/bike combo:
>>> men's B17 // nomad resist 700 x 45 // AHH
>>> women's B67 // hetres 650b // custom mixte
>>> men's Flyer // panaracer pasela 700 x 32 // Quickbeam
>>>
>>> All on Albatross bars and relatively similar saddle height.
>>>
>>> Also, my pain tolerance is crazily high, so you might not want to listen 
>>> to me. I was riding uncomfortably on that women's B17 with the worst 
>>> handlebar position ever (lots of stress on wrists) for about 17 miles in 
>>> 97% humidity. On the other hand, I did get to ride on the tandem again as a 
>>> stoker in the cool summer night, under the stars, so it was worth every 
>>> mile and ouchie, but...
>>>
>>> -E.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Liesl  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while 
 and barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv 
 Chicas, I gotta do my part!

 I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and 
 bar position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel 
 different. I have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a 
 LBS 
 that will let you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a 
 flyer, you might find out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.

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 RCW

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