Re: [RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Joe Broach]

>
> ​On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Joe Broach  wrote:
>
> Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't
> really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the
> leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about
> identical to a b17 between the rivets.
>
> I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a
> great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so
> shops might have take offs.
>
​Bumping this thread to update my B17 to SST experience. I just finished my
first long ride on the SST after 10 happy years on B17s. The SST gave me no
trouble over two days and 130 miles in regular shorts. For me, at least, it
works as a B17 alternative that I don't have to worry about getting wet​
and worry less about getting stolen. Mine has the synthetic cover, and it's
quite a bit less slick than a Brooks. The result is kind of a wash for
me--easier to stay put when you want but also harder to slide around when
you want that.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or


​​
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Joe Broach  wrote:

> Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't
> really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the
> leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about
> identical to a b17 between the rivets.
>
> I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a
> great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so
> shops might have take offs.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> pdx or
>
> Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.
> On Jul 15, 2015 6:24 AM, "Kieran J"  wrote:
>
>> Were these not fairly narrow in the rear section though? I had one SST.X
>> and it was OK but not nearly the same shape or width as a B17. Maybe mine
>> was one of the later variants.
>>
>> Another worth considering is a Vetta SL from the 90's. Quality
>> lightweight saddle with a wide cantle area.
>>
>> They come fairly cheaply online:
>> Here's one in Canada
>> 
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted"
>>> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a
>>> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>>>
>>> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's
>>> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[clyde canter]

Skimming through the thread I picked up on SST.  I nabbed a cheaper OEM
takeoff at my LBS a while back.  I'm definitely not in the camp of likers.
I'd be happy to part with it for 20 bucks, plus shipping.  No perceivable
use at all, like new.
Pm if anyone is interested.

Best,
Clyde Canter


On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I just picked up a shockingly immaculate '98-ish Bianchi Osprey mtb
> (welcome to Marin County, where thousands of mountain bikes were ridden
> once, then put away in nice, temperature controlled homes), and it has an
> equally untouched WTB Speed V..droop nose, 145mm width, looks like every
> SST I've ever seen. I might try riding it for a few days, but it's probably
> coming off for a Brooks. I'll pass it on for not much cash if I decide not
> to keep it.
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 8:19:00 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:
>>
>> Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't
>> really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the
>> leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about
>> identical to a b17 between the rivets.
>>
>> I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a
>> great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so
>> shops might have take offs.
>>
>> Best,
>> joe broach
>> pdx or
>>
>> Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.
>> On Jul 15, 2015 6:24 AM, "Kieran J"  wrote:
>>
>>> Were these not fairly narrow in the rear section though? I had one SST.X
>>> and it was OK but not nearly the same shape or width as a B17. Maybe mine
>>> was one of the later variants.
>>>
>>> Another worth considering is a Vetta SL from the 90's. Quality
>>> lightweight saddle with a wide cantle area.
>>>
>>> They come fairly cheaply online:
>>> Here's one in Canada
>>> 
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the
 "melted" looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though
 they made a monster number of derivations of it over the years).

 Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling,
 SST's which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.

 - Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Joe Bernard]

I just picked up a shockingly immaculate '98-ish Bianchi Osprey mtb 
(welcome to Marin County, where thousands of mountain bikes were ridden 
once, then put away in nice, temperature controlled homes), and it has an 
equally untouched WTB Speed V..droop nose, 145mm width, looks like every 
SST I've ever seen. I might try riding it for a few days, but it's probably 
coming off for a Brooks. I'll pass it on for not much cash if I decide not 
to keep it.

On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 8:19:00 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:
>
> Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't 
> really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the 
> leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about 
> identical to a b17 between the rivets.
>
> I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a 
> great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so 
> shops might have take offs.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> pdx or
>
> Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.
> On Jul 15, 2015 6:24 AM, "Kieran J" > 
> wrote:
>
>> Were these not fairly narrow in the rear section though? I had one SST.X 
>> and it was OK but not nearly the same shape or width as a B17. Maybe mine 
>> was one of the later variants. 
>>
>> Another worth considering is a Vetta SL from the 90's. Quality 
>> lightweight saddle with a wide cantle area.
>>
>> They come fairly cheaply online:
>> Here's one in Canada 
>> 
>>
>> KJ 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted" 
>>> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a 
>>> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>>>
>>> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's 
>>> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.  
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Joe Broach]

Count me as one who finds the WTB SST pretty close to a B17. You can't
really compare plastic and leather saddle widths directly because of the
leather saddles' frames and rivets. The SST is about 145mm wide, about
identical to a b17 between the rivets.

I haven't taken mine on a long ride yet, but for a 6 mile commute, it's a
great b17 stand in. They came on some complete surlys at some point, so
shops might have take offs.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or

Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.
On Jul 15, 2015 6:24 AM, "Kieran J"  wrote:

> Were these not fairly narrow in the rear section though? I had one SST.X
> and it was OK but not nearly the same shape or width as a B17. Maybe mine
> was one of the later variants.
>
> Another worth considering is a Vetta SL from the 90's. Quality lightweight
> saddle with a wide cantle area.
>
> They come fairly cheaply online:
> Here's one in Canada
> 
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted"
>> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a
>> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>>
>> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's
>> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.
>>
>> - Jim
>>
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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Rod Holland]

+1. I have WTB SSTs on 4 bikes, they work nicely for all-day rides. Even 
when they're out of stock, I've found it's possible to find them online 
here and there.

rod

On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted" 
> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a 
> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>
> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's 
> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.  
>
> - Jim
>

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Kieran J]

Were these not fairly narrow in the rear section though? I had one SST.X 
and it was OK but not nearly the same shape or width as a B17. Maybe mine 
was one of the later variants. 

Another worth considering is a Vetta SL from the 90's. Quality lightweight 
saddle with a wide cantle area.

They come fairly cheaply online:
Here's one in Canada 


KJ 


On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:47:11 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted" 
> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a 
> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>
> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's 
> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.  
>
> - Jim
>

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I remember those WTB saddles. Rode it until it got all ripped up and then 
replaced it with my first Brooks.
 
Jay

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 2:47:11 AM UTC+3, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted" 
> looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a 
> monster number of derivations of it over the years).
>
> Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's 
> which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.  
>
> - Jim
>

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Keep an eye out for the old WTB SST saddles - the ones with the "melted" 
looking nose.  Those were pretty close, fairly unpadded (though they made a 
monster number of derivations of it over the years).

Wish I'd known - I had a set of three or four old, nasty, peeling, SST's 
which I donated to the local recyclery a while back.  

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Bob Lovejoy]

A good friend has recommended these: 
 
http://www.rei.com/product/888750/phorm-s-310-gel-max-bike-saddle-mens-2014-closeout
And it seems there is even a less expensive one (without gel?): 
 
http://www.rei.com/product/888587/phorm-s-310-max-bike-saddle-mens-2014-closeout

Plus 25% off until the 17th?  I have one of the gel max 310's and, though I 
have not ridden with it much, it is a great saddle for the price.

No affiliation with REI here, though I do eye the sales and am a card 
carrying member...

Bob

>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[cyclotourist]

Late to the conversation, but the security bolts work fantastic. Just
be sure to get the hex models and not the Torx ones. IMHO, the Torx
bolts don't work well.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:09 PM, M D Smith  wrote:
> Thanks for the ideas, gents!
>
> How could I have missed that VO saddle? That's pretty much exactly what I was 
> asking about.
>
> The security bolt idea is a good one, too.
>
> The more I think about it, I may try the "ball bearing in beeswax"/ poor 
> man's security bolt approach at first.*  I haven't adjusted the thing since I 
> dialed it in anyway.  If the saddle gets snatched, c'est la vie.  And I can 
> replace it with VO model if it does take a walk. The 15 year old, perfectly 
> broken in B17 special that was stolen (with the bike- this Trek is its 
> replacement...) was a kick in the gut.  At this point, its replacement is 
> just money.
>
> * (The thought process was thus:  Security bolt is a great idea.  Except I 
> don't want to have to carry around extra wrenches. Wait a minute, I have 
> never adjusted those once in five years.  Why the heck do I need to do that?  
> Might as well just make them too annoying for any thief to want to meddle 
> with.)
>
> Thanks for helping me think through this, compadres!
>
> Cheers- Mike
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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[M D Smith]

Thanks for the ideas, gents!

How could I have missed that VO saddle? That's pretty much exactly what I was 
asking about. 

The security bolt idea is a good one, too.  

The more I think about it, I may try the "ball bearing in beeswax"/ poor man's 
security bolt approach at first.*  I haven't adjusted the thing since I dialed 
it in anyway.  If the saddle gets snatched, c'est la vie.  And I can replace it 
with VO model if it does take a walk. The 15 year old, perfectly broken in B17 
special that was stolen (with the bike- this Trek is its replacement...) was a 
kick in the gut.  At this point, its replacement is just money.

* (The thought process was thus:  Security bolt is a great idea.  Except I 
don't want to have to carry around extra wrenches. Wait a minute, I have never 
adjusted those once in five years.  Why the heck do I need to do that?  Might 
as well just make them too annoying for any thief to want to meddle with.) 

Thanks for helping me think through this, compadres!

Cheers- Mike

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Richard L]

How about this as a saddle option?  There's also a new wider option.  Have 
not used either one.

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/saddles/microfiber-touring-saddle.html

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Joe Bernard]

The ibobs were chatting about this one a couple weeks ago.

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_542670_-1___

On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 9:19:15 AM UTC-7, M D Smith wrote:

> Hello All- 
>
> I have been a committed Brooks B17 sitter-uponer for ages.   
>
> I have recently moved to the big city.  My Rivendell did not make the 
> move- it has been sent to my mother's house for long country rides when I 
> visit her. My '80s Trek, however has come with me as an urban all-'rounder. 
>
> The Trek is currently sporting a B17 and I'm thinking it's a little flashy 
> to leave around NYC unattended. I am wondering if anyone out there knows of 
> a simple, cheap, probably plastic, saddle that has the same basic shape and 
> fits like a B17. I admit to not really paying attention to anything but 
> Brooks saddles for the last few decades, but looking just now it seems that 
> the saddle choices these days are 
> "stripped-down-carbon-wünderbike-have-to-wear-a-diaper-ass-hatchets" or 
> "three-inches-of-foam-sit-up-and-beg-BarcaLoungers" with not much in 
> between. 
>
> Can anyone recommend (or better yet, have for sale or trade) a regular old 
> saddle that has the wide sit bone area of a B17 but doesn't have inches if 
> padding?  Scuffed, beat-up or torn examples would be fine if still 
> functional. 
>
> Thanks and cheers- Mike, recently landed in Bklyn, NY 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Searching for a cheapo saddle with B17 like fit

[Will]

I'd give this a try: security bolt that needs specific allen wrench.  
http://www.bicyclebolts.com/
You'd need two sizes. One for the seat post, one for the saddle rail. I

It's cheap and if you cover the saddle with a tattered grocery bag, will 
probably suffice. 


On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 11:19:15 AM UTC-5, M D Smith wrote:
>
> Hello All- 
>
> I have been a committed Brooks B17 sitter-uponer for ages.   
>
> I have recently moved to the big city.  My Rivendell did not make the 
> move- it has been sent to my mother's house for long country rides when I 
> visit her. My '80s Trek, however has come with me as an urban all-'rounder. 
>
> The Trek is currently sporting a B17 and I'm thinking it's a little flashy 
> to leave around NYC unattended. I am wondering if anyone out there knows of 
> a simple, cheap, probably plastic, saddle that has the same basic shape and 
> fits like a B17. I admit to not really paying attention to anything but 
> Brooks saddles for the last few decades, but looking just now it seems that 
> the saddle choices these days are 
> "stripped-down-carbon-wünderbike-have-to-wear-a-diaper-ass-hatchets" or 
> "three-inches-of-foam-sit-up-and-beg-BarcaLoungers" with not much in 
> between. 
>
> Can anyone recommend (or better yet, have for sale or trade) a regular old 
> saddle that has the wide sit bone area of a B17 but doesn't have inches if 
> padding?  Scuffed, beat-up or torn examples would be fine if still 
> functional. 
>
> Thanks and cheers- Mike, recently landed in Bklyn, NY 
>
>

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