[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
On May 18, 8:23 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 5'11. It seems to me that I might have a shorter torso but long arms and long legs. However, I've never been able to figure it out... :-) not sure about the long legs - your saddle height (76.5) seems a touch low for a leggy 5'11. I could place the handlebar below the saddle... Oh wait! That's how I rode pre-Rivendell and I had the hand, neck and shoulder pain... there are many variables involved in a good bike fit. lots and lots and lots of folks ride with the bars below the saddle with zero problems. not meaning to take away from the bars-up approach, but it's not the only way to be comfortable on a bike. have you considered a professional bike fitting? it's not cheap, but some folks really benefit from that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I have an 89.5 PBH and the 60 Bombadil feels pretty high up there. As I try bigger tires on the Bombadil, my concerns grow to the point I'm now starting to have second thoughts. I ride a 61 AHH and it fits perfectly; I'm actually considering a 61 Atlantis now... just thinking! René On May 11, 7:59 pm, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Im definately going with the 63cm Hilsen, and I just ordered a 60 Bombadil. Thanks for your input. jamison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I actually got my 63cm hilsen, and i have just over an inch of space, the top tube fits perfectly. I really think a 61 would have been too small for me, and would have been close to not being able to get my bars higher than my saddle. my saddle height is right at 79, i'm not too worried about the 60cm bombadil, most of the time i will have one foot on the peddle when i stop, and that gives me even more room. its funny that i was so worried about the size at the time, i remeber as a kid riding my dads schwinn world tour that was way too big for me, i rode it off road, on mountain biking trails, and did small dirt jumps with it . i wasn't even tall enough to sit on the saddle. had to stand the whole time. never hurt myself once, until i tried to drop in with it on tom jone's half pipe. any how i wouldn't ride a bike that big now, but i had fun didn't get hurt. i guess two extra centimeters doesn't meen too much to me. if your thinking atlantis, what about the hunquapillar? jamison On May 18, 6:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I have an 89.5 PBH and the 60 Bombadil feels pretty high up there. As I try bigger tires on the Bombadil, my concerns grow to the point I'm now starting to have second thoughts. I ride a 61 AHH and it fits perfectly; I'm actually considering a 61 Atlantis now... just thinking! René On May 11, 7:59 pm, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Im definately going with the 63cm Hilsen, and I just ordered a 60 Bombadil. Thanks for your input. jamison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. I couldn't be happier. Out of curiosity how tall are you. I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
This is an interesting conversation. Every time I think about getting an even bigger frame, end up thinking more about reach more than standover. Based on these statements, I should be trying a 63cm frame. Yet about a year and a half ago straddled a 62 orange Quickbeam. The reach was so far my arms were fully extended on the hoods. Couldn't really even get to the drops. Maybe that bike had an unusually long stem. But to get that bike to work for me, would probably need a 7 or 8cm stem. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 18, 7:10�pm, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. �i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. �when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. �I couldn't be happier. �Out of curiosity how tall are you. �I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40�pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. Ren� -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I'm 5'11. It seems to me that I might have a shorter torso but long arms and long legs. However, I've never been able to figure it out... :-) When I went for my first fit, they immediately put me on the 61 AHH and also had me test ride the Atlantis, I believe the 61 as well. I initially thought the 61 AHH was too big (coming from where I was coming from) so Mark had me test ride Grant's 58 AHH. After I did that, I realized the 61 was a better fit and trusted them from then on. When I decided I also wanted a Bombadil, Keven said the 60. He even had me try out the 64, but I trusted them again. After I got my 60 frame and built it up, I was initially concerned with the standover height as I had had to adpat to the higher standover height on the AHH compared to my previoius bikes, but had had no issues with the AHH. I even went back and they offered to take it back, but after test riding the 56, I found it too cramped and said I was keeping my 60. That is my story and I'm sticking to it! :-) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. I couldn't be happier. Out of curiosity how tall are you. I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I have a 63 for sale, with SS couplers - if you haven't already ordered the new one! On May 11, 7:59 pm, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Im definately going with the 63cm Hilsen, and I just ordered a 60 Bombadil. Thanks for your input. jamison On May 11, 5:34 pm, wile dylanmcner...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh yeah - stem is 9cm. On May 11, 1:03 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wile dylanmcner...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a PBH of 89 and ride a 63cm AHH. I was given the exact same option from Rivendell - either 61 or 63 would work. However, Rich advised me that with handlebars set up the same way (shorter stem on the 63), the 63 would handle better. I'm very happy with the 63. I have a small handful of seatpost showing - 3 or so, and with the stem sticking 2 out of the headset, both are level. The top of the seat and the crook of the stem are both about 6 above the top tube and the bike looks perfectly proportioned. I think if I raise the stem up to the max, it ends up about 2 above the top of the saddle. I ride 40c Schwalbe Marathons and ride the bike mostly for commuting. Keep in mind that when you stop and put a foot down at lights, etc. you have even more standover height because one foot is up on the pedal. Dylan, if you wouldn't mind, just to humor me - measure from the tip of your saddle to the middle of the flats on your handlebars. I'm curious what that distance is. thanks -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Hi tucker, The standover for the 63 Hilsen is listed as 88.8. Anyone can ride a frame with a standover equal to their pbh when road riding. Typically, Rivendell lists a standover measured with the biggest tires the bike can handle. The Hilsen geometry chart lists the biggest tire as 43mm. If you are going to run 35 mm tires, then the standover will be 88.0 cm. In addition, when you wear cycling shoes, you gain about 2 cm in height, so your pbh of 89 cm + 2 cm = 91 cm is 3 cm higher than the 88 cm standover of the Hilsen equipped with 35mmm tires. That is more than enough clearance for anyone. If you want to get the bars up near the saddle height, you should consider buying the biggest frame you can standover--then you won't have to use a high rise stem to get the bars up even with the saddle. Unfortunately, the Hilsen's have really long top tubes. Grant will argue that they don't. But I argue that they really do. So while the large size will allow you to use a lower stem height, you might have to use a short, stubby 6 cm stem length. The top tube plus stem length will determine the reach to the bars--although you do have to make some adjustments when comparing the Hilsen to your current bike due to the differences in seat tube angle, etc. On the other hand, the adjustments can cancel each other out, and in that case a direct comparison is possible. A 6cm stem may be right at your maximum reach, which means you would have no room to adjust shorter. The only thing you could do is raise the bars higher to get the handlebars to move closer to you. Ok, so maybe that will persuade you to get the smaller frame. The smaller frame will have a shorter top tube, which means you can use a little longer stem, say 8cm long, but now you will have to raise the stem higher to get the bars even with the top of the saddle. An 8cm stem will give you some leeway to adjust for shorter or longer reach. You can switch to a 6 cm stem for less reach or to a 10 cm stem for more reach. Of course you can always raise and lower an 8 cm stem to adjust your reach as well. If the top tube length on the larger Hilsen doesn't scare you, I would get the larger size. The standover is a non-issue. If you want to test out how the 88 cm standover will feel, put some books under the tires of your current bike (or a friend's bike) until the middle of the top tube is 88cm above the ground. Then put on some cycling shoes and straddle the top tube. Also keep in mind that just leaning the bike slightly to the side will provide even more clearance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I have a PBH of 91, SH of 80 and a 63cm Hilsen with a 10cm stem just a touch below the saddle. It's my favorite fitting bike. I also have a 62 Ram which is a touch small and a 64 QB which is a tad big. Given these three bikes I feel like it's easy to comment on going small, big and perfect. well, perfect speaks for itself right. It appears you're in-between sizes. I say go big! But call Riv and talk to them. My QB has Panaracer T-Serve 700x35 and a higher BB height but I still have enough SO height. On my Hilsen I've ridden tires from 32 to 41 and SO has never been a problem. I can't stress this enough, call the folks at Riv and discuss it with them. They're sooo nice and helpful. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tup is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. On May 11, 1:40 am, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Tucker, It's worth obsessing over. I imagine you're wishing for a 62? This 63cm AHH with 35mm Supremes, has a stand over height just under 87cm (measured just forward of the BB spindle):http://www.flickr.com/photos/39151...@n07/sets/72157622960184871/ My PBH is around 91, and BB to center of my Brooks B17 is 80cm (I ride with sit bones on the higher back end of the saddle.) The stem is 9cm, approximately level with the saddle, and H-bars are 48 Nitto Noodles - which reminds me that the TT length on the 63 is 1.5cm longer than the 61. Gotta think about that fit, too. I have a relatively long torso, and this setup feels dialed in to me. (I'm 6' 3, if that helps at all.) 64cm is a good size for me also, and I even have a porteur style bike that's about a 66 - but that has swept back bars. Depending on your torso and that TT length, I'd lean toward the bigger size myself. Have you called RBW? Good luck! Alex Seattle, WA On May 10, 9:21 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 89 PBH, and have two 61cm frames. If you like your bars to be at saddle height with a normal stem, that'll work fine. If you want them higher and don't want to use a Dirt Drop type stem, go with the 63 IMHO. That said, if I was getting an AHH, I'd get a 63. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, my PBH is 89 and I'm trying to decide between a 63 or 61 A Homer Hilsen. Someone told me the listed standovers are a bit high. I will be running the bike with 35 mm tires, or 23-24 wide rims. anyone have any experience with this or the true standover of a 63 frame, or with sizing up in general. I know this has been covered a bit here, but i can't help obsessing over this purchase. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I also have a PBH of 89cm and ride a 61cm AHH with the handlebars level with the seat. I had been using a 90mm stem but now I use 120 and it's much better. On May 11, 9:22 am, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tup is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. On May 11, 1:40 am, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Tucker, It's worth obsessing over. I imagine you're wishing for a 62? This 63cm AHH with 35mm Supremes, has a stand over height just under 87cm (measured just forward of the BB spindle):http://www.flickr.com/photos/39151...@n07/sets/72157622960184871/ My PBH is around 91, and BB to center of my Brooks B17 is 80cm (I ride with sit bones on the higher back end of the saddle.) The stem is 9cm, approximately level with the saddle, and H-bars are 48 Nitto Noodles - which reminds me that the TT length on the 63 is 1.5cm longer than the 61. Gotta think about that fit, too. I have a relatively long torso, and this setup feels dialed in to me. (I'm 6' 3, if that helps at all.) 64cm is a good size for me also, and I even have a porteur style bike that's about a 66 - but that has swept back bars. Depending on your torso and that TT length, I'd lean toward the bigger size myself. Have you called RBW? Good luck! Alex Seattle, WA On May 10, 9:21 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 89 PBH, and have two 61cm frames. If you like your bars to be at saddle height with a normal stem, that'll work fine. If you want them higher and don't want to use a Dirt Drop type stem, go with the 63 IMHO. That said, if I was getting an AHH, I'd get a 63. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, my PBH is 89 and I'm trying to decide between a 63 or 61 A Homer Hilsen. Someone told me the listed standovers are a bit high. I will be running the bike with 35 mm tires, or 23-24 wide rims. anyone have any experience with this or the true standover of a 63 frame, or with sizing up in general. I know this has been covered a bit here, but i can't help obsessing over this purchase. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I've found that w/ M-bars, you want the stem ~2cm shorter (closer) than you would w/ drops. YMMV On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:22 AM, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tup is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. On May 11, 1:40 am, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Tucker, It's worth obsessing over. I imagine you're wishing for a 62? This 63cm AHH with 35mm Supremes, has a stand over height just under 87cm (measured just forward of the BB spindle): http://www.flickr.com/photos/39151...@n07/sets/72157622960184871/ My PBH is around 91, and BB to center of my Brooks B17 is 80cm (I ride with sit bones on the higher back end of the saddle.) The stem is 9cm, approximately level with the saddle, and H-bars are 48 Nitto Noodles - which reminds me that the TT length on the 63 is 1.5cm longer than the 61. Gotta think about that fit, too. I have a relatively long torso, and this setup feels dialed in to me. (I'm 6' 3, if that helps at all.) 64cm is a good size for me also, and I even have a porteur style bike that's about a 66 - but that has swept back bars. Depending on your torso and that TT length, I'd lean toward the bigger size myself. Have you called RBW? Good luck! Alex Seattle, WA On May 10, 9:21 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 89 PBH, and have two 61cm frames. If you like your bars to be at saddle height with a normal stem, that'll work fine. If you want them higher and don't want to use a Dirt Drop type stem, go with the 63 IMHO. That said, if I was getting an AHH, I'd get a 63. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, my PBH is 89 and I'm trying to decide between a 63 or 61 A Homer Hilsen. Someone told me the listed standovers are a bit high. I will be running the bike with 35 mm tires, or 23-24 wide rims. anyone have any experience with this or the true standover of a 63 frame, or with sizing up in general. I know this has been covered a bit here, but i can't help obsessing over this purchase. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
On May 11, 9:22 am, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tup is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. with a saddle height 78.5, you're going to have very little seatpost showing on a 63, so spend some time thinking about where you want the bars. assuming you don't want the bars at/above saddle height, you might not be able to get the bars *low* enough with dirtdrop/m-bar set up. i recall seeing a rockin' AHH recently (maybe jinxed's?) - the dirtdrop stem is fully inserted and the bars still look up for his riding style (he rides stuff where it helps to have a bit of bar drop). and speaking of riding style ... standover clearance is a personal thing. if you think you don't need it for whatever kind of riding your doing, that's cool.i'm intimate with the top tubes on some of my bikes too. but, if you're going to be rough-riding, and anticipate needing to put a foot down every now and then, especially in places where it's not always convenient to put a foot down - standover helps. or, if you plan on loading up your hilsen for a tour of sorts - having more standover helps. and i can't imagine that you're going to have much on a 63. just something to consider. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
stocking feet pbh is 89, with sneakers on it moves up to 92.5. I have big feet (size 13). The bike will mostly be ridden as a commuter in NYC. If the actual standover with 35mm tires is 87 or so, that would give me 5.5 cm standover, over two inches. If it follows that the 61 would have 85 standover on 35 mm tires, that would give me three inches of standover, which seems like alot, for even a country bike. On a 63 my saddle will be approximately 15.5 cm above the top tube, that seems like i will get the requisite fistfull of post. Maybe im wrong, Im just afraid on the 61 i will have trouble getting the handle bars a couple cm above the saddle. thanks for all the input. On May 11, 11:03 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 11, 9:22 am, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tup is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. with a saddle height 78.5, you're going to have very little seatpost showing on a 63, so spend some time thinking about where you want the bars. assuming you don't want the bars at/above saddle height, you might not be able to get the bars *low* enough with dirtdrop/m-bar set up. i recall seeing a rockin' AHH recently (maybe jinxed's?) - the dirtdrop stem is fully inserted and the bars still look up for his riding style (he rides stuff where it helps to have a bit of bar drop). and speaking of riding style ... standover clearance is a personal thing. if you think you don't need it for whatever kind of riding your doing, that's cool. i'm intimate with the top tubes on some of my bikes too. but, if you're going to be rough-riding, and anticipate needing to put a foot down every now and then, especially in places where it's not always convenient to put a foot down - standover helps. or, if you plan on loading up your hilsen for a tour of sorts - having more standover helps. and i can't imagine that you're going to have much on a 63. just something to consider. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I have a PBH of 89 and ride a 63cm AHH. I was given the exact same option from Rivendell - either 61 or 63 would work. However, Rich advised me that with handlebars set up the same way (shorter stem on the 63), the 63 would handle better. I'm very happy with the 63. I have a small handful of seatpost showing - 3 or so, and with the stem sticking 2 out of the headset, both are level. The top of the seat and the crook of the stem are both about 6 above the top tube and the bike looks perfectly proportioned. I think if I raise the stem up to the max, it ends up about 2 above the top of the saddle. I ride 40c Schwalbe Marathons and ride the bike mostly for commuting. Keep in mind that when you stop and put a foot down at lights, etc. you have even more standover height because one foot is up on the pedal. Dylan On May 11, 8:22 am, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: stocking feet pbh is 89, with sneakers on it moves up to 92.5. I have big feet (size 13). The bike will mostly be ridden as a commuter in NYC. If the actual standover with 35mm tires is 87 or so, that would give me 5.5 cm standover, over two inches. If it follows that the 61 would have 85 standover on 35 mm tires, that would give me three inches of standover, which seems like alot, for even a country bike. On a 63 my saddle will be approximately 15.5 cm above the top tube, that seems like i will get the requisite fistfull of post. Maybe im wrong, Im just afraid on the 61 i will have trouble getting the handle bars a couple cm above the saddle. thanks for all the input. On May 11, 11:03 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 11, 9:22 am, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tup is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. with a saddle height 78.5, you're going to have very little seatpost showing on a 63, so spend some time thinking about where you want the bars. assuming you don't want the bars at/above saddle height, you might not be able to get the bars *low* enough with dirtdrop/m-bar set up. i recall seeing a rockin' AHH recently (maybe jinxed's?) - the dirtdrop stem is fully inserted and the bars still look up for his riding style (he rides stuff where it helps to have a bit of bar drop). and speaking of riding style ... standover clearance is a personal thing. if you think you don't need it for whatever kind of riding your doing, that's cool. i'm intimate with the top tubes on some of my bikes too. but, if you're going to be rough-riding, and anticipate needing to put a foot down every now and then, especially in places where it's not always convenient to put a foot down - standover helps. or, if you plan on loading up your hilsen for a tour of sorts - having more standover helps. and i can't imagine that you're going to have much on a 63. just something to consider. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wile dylanmcner...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a PBH of 89 and ride a 63cm AHH. I was given the exact same option from Rivendell - either 61 or 63 would work. However, Rich advised me that with handlebars set up the same way (shorter stem on the 63), the 63 would handle better. I'm very happy with the 63. I have a small handful of seatpost showing - 3 or so, and with the stem sticking 2 out of the headset, both are level. The top of the seat and the crook of the stem are both about 6 above the top tube and the bike looks perfectly proportioned. I think if I raise the stem up to the max, it ends up about 2 above the top of the saddle. I ride 40c Schwalbe Marathons and ride the bike mostly for commuting. Keep in mind that when you stop and put a foot down at lights, etc. you have even more standover height because one foot is up on the pedal. Dylan, if you wouldn't mind, just to humor me - measure from the tip of your saddle to the middle of the flats on your handlebars. I'm curious what that distance is. thanks -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Ha - no problem. It's sitting right in front of me - every week is bike to work week here :) Exactly 21.75 inches from the very tip of the saddle (B-17 Team Professional) to the center of the stem clamp. On May 11, 1:03 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wile dylanmcner...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a PBH of 89 and ride a 63cm AHH. I was given the exact same option from Rivendell - either 61 or 63 would work. However, Rich advised me that with handlebars set up the same way (shorter stem on the 63), the 63 would handle better. I'm very happy with the 63. I have a small handful of seatpost showing - 3 or so, and with the stem sticking 2 out of the headset, both are level. The top of the seat and the crook of the stem are both about 6 above the top tube and the bike looks perfectly proportioned. I think if I raise the stem up to the max, it ends up about 2 above the top of the saddle. I ride 40c Schwalbe Marathons and ride the bike mostly for commuting. Keep in mind that when you stop and put a foot down at lights, etc. you have even more standover height because one foot is up on the pedal. Dylan, if you wouldn't mind, just to humor me - measure from the tip of your saddle to the middle of the flats on your handlebars. I'm curious what that distance is. thanks -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Oh yeah - stem is 9cm. On May 11, 1:03 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, wile dylanmcner...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a PBH of 89 and ride a 63cm AHH. I was given the exact same option from Rivendell - either 61 or 63 would work. However, Rich advised me that with handlebars set up the same way (shorter stem on the 63), the 63 would handle better. I'm very happy with the 63. I have a small handful of seatpost showing - 3 or so, and with the stem sticking 2 out of the headset, both are level. The top of the seat and the crook of the stem are both about 6 above the top tube and the bike looks perfectly proportioned. I think if I raise the stem up to the max, it ends up about 2 above the top of the saddle. I ride 40c Schwalbe Marathons and ride the bike mostly for commuting. Keep in mind that when you stop and put a foot down at lights, etc. you have even more standover height because one foot is up on the pedal. Dylan, if you wouldn't mind, just to humor me - measure from the tip of your saddle to the middle of the flats on your handlebars. I'm curious what that distance is. thanks -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Tucker, A Dirt Drop stem is pretty tall (altitude) and pretty short (extension). M-bars want a stem 2-3cm shorter than the same bike with drop bars. If the bigger frame most likely requires a short stem for you, you might find it hard to get m-bars close enough. Me personally, I would never buy a frame that would require a stem shorter than 8-9cm extension with drop bars. There are several tall Nitto stems, Technomic Deluxe, Technomic, Dirt Drop. I can't imagine that you wouldn't be able to get the bars high enough using one of them. RBW designs fit small, due to the low BB, but if you are on a bike that is the right size (a lot of folks come to RBW having been riding bikes several sizes too small), I think your RBW fit is going to be good on a bike that size or maybe 1 size up. Doug On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:22 AM, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I did call Rivendell, and they told me i could go with either size. On my current bike a custom track frame. The standover is 84.5, the top tube is 59cm and stem a 110 nitto pearl is about 4 cm below my seat. My saddle height is right around 78.5. I am planning on using a nitto dirt drop stem with mustache bars. I guess i am leaning towards the larger frame, so i can get higher handle bars easier. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Hi Tucker, It's worth obsessing over. I imagine you're wishing for a 62? This 63cm AHH with 35mm Supremes, has a stand over height just under 87cm (measured just forward of the BB spindle): http://www.flickr.com/photos/39151...@n07/sets/72157622960184871/ My PBH is around 91, and BB to center of my Brooks B17 is 80cm (I ride with sit bones on the higher back end of the saddle.) The stem is 9cm, approximately level with the saddle, and H-bars are 48 Nitto Noodles - which reminds me that the TT length on the 63 is 1.5cm longer than the 61. Gotta think about that fit, too. I have a relatively long torso, and this setup feels dialed in to me. (I'm 6' 3, if that helps at all.) 64cm is a good size for me also, and I even have a porteur style bike that's about a 66 - but that has swept back bars. Depending on your torso and that TT length, I'd lean toward the bigger size myself. Have you called RBW? Good luck! Alex Seattle, WA On May 10, 9:21 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 89 PBH, and have two 61cm frames. If you like your bars to be at saddle height with a normal stem, that'll work fine. If you want them higher and don't want to use a Dirt Drop type stem, go with the 63 IMHO. That said, if I was getting an AHH, I'd get a 63. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, my PBH is 89 and I'm trying to decide between a 63 or 61 A Homer Hilsen. Someone told me the listed standovers are a bit high. I will be running the bike with 35 mm tires, or 23-24 wide rims. anyone have any experience with this or the true standover of a 63 frame, or with sizing up in general. I know this has been covered a bit here, but i can't help obsessing over this purchase. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
