[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Shimano have a new Alfine dynamo hub they claim has the lowest resistance ever! Reason being it only have a 1,5w output for LED-lamps. Anyone know if SON Edelux and others will work? Weighs 420 gram witch is only 25g more than the DeLux hub. I guess hub shell only have half of the internals: http://www.shimano-nordic.com/publish/content/global_cycle/sv/se/index/news_and_info/news/produktnyheter_fran.html http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/shimano-launch-10-speed-deore-groupset-for-2012-29466/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Oh yes, it seems that Chris at VO didn't let me post a link to the producer of their hubs in his blog. Make me wonder... ; ) On Mar 16, 4:51 pm, Pete wrote: > Thanks for the info and I'm sure it's a great buy! But depending on > the type of riding (brevé) I'm not sure it's right for me. In my book > the switch is better placed on the lamp than on the hub. I'd like to > get a B&M Kraftwerk dynamo charger for the vacation this year and buy > or build a three LED-lamp, and I'm not sure the VO dynamo hub would > work. Have a SON 28 and low end Shimano dynamo that I move around so > when things become clearer I might open my wallet. Cheers! Pete > > On Mar 14, 11:31 pm, charlie wrote: > > > From what I understand it uses sealed bearings. I don't worry that it > > has 5 mm (2.5 mm per side not much more than the width of a spoke) > > narrower flange to flange width either. The VO is 45mm flange to > > flange with a 82 mm diameter measurement. The "clutch switch" is the > > switch so you don't need a redundant switched light unless you want > > one. Output is at 6 Volts / 3 watts just like all other common > > dynamos. I don't know about the voltage regulator stuff but I do know > > I can use any decent LED light front and rear and have no problems and > > enough light to really see with. For the $120 it cost me I believe it > > to be well worth it. I don't think the resistance is any worse than > > the current Shimano designs and they are nil with the Schmidt being > > even more nil. I think if you plan to ride with lights all the time > > the Son Deluxe might be the better hub. You just have to decide how > > much you want to spend and whether you will always ride with lights on > > or not. > > > On Mar 14, 11:07 am, Pete wrote: > > > > It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width > > > witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There > > > are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring > > > ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). > > > > I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle > > > DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and > > > 10% more thathe > > > SON28!:http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nab... > > > Anyone here with more info? > > > > Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at > > > the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of > > > little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched > > > off:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html > > > But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any > > > numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the > > > bearings it use either. > > > > According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage > > > protection:http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#ande... > > > "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a > > > 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." > > > Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? > > > They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". > > > > Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) > > > > On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I > > > > have > > > > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride > > > > very > > > > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > > > > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > > > > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > > > > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > > > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > > > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > > > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > > > Oh, found the > > > > > producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Oh yes, it seems that Chris at VO didn't let me post a link to the producer of their hubs in his blog. Make me wonder... ; ) On Mar 16, 4:51 pm, Pete wrote: > Thanks for the info and I'm sure it's a great buy! But depending on > the type of riding (brevé) I'm not sure it's right for me. In my book > the switch is better placed on the lamp than on the hub. I'd like to > get a B&M Kraftwerk dynamo charger for the vacation this year and buy > or build a three LED-lamp, and I'm not sure the VO dynamo hub would > work. Have a SON 28 and low end Shimano dynamo that I move around so > when things become clearer I might open my wallet. Cheers! Pete > > On Mar 14, 11:31 pm, charlie wrote: > > > From what I understand it uses sealed bearings. I don't worry that it > > has 5 mm (2.5 mm per side not much more than the width of a spoke) > > narrower flange to flange width either. The VO is 45mm flange to > > flange with a 82 mm diameter measurement. The "clutch switch" is the > > switch so you don't need a redundant switched light unless you want > > one. Output is at 6 Volts / 3 watts just like all other common > > dynamos. I don't know about the voltage regulator stuff but I do know > > I can use any decent LED light front and rear and have no problems and > > enough light to really see with. For the $120 it cost me I believe it > > to be well worth it. I don't think the resistance is any worse than > > the current Shimano designs and they are nil with the Schmidt being > > even more nil. I think if you plan to ride with lights all the time > > the Son Deluxe might be the better hub. You just have to decide how > > much you want to spend and whether you will always ride with lights on > > or not. > > > On Mar 14, 11:07 am, Pete wrote: > > > > It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width > > > witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There > > > are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring > > > ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). > > > > I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle > > > DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and > > > 10% more thathe > > > SON28!:http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nab... > > > Anyone here with more info? > > > > Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at > > > the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of > > > little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched > > > off:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html > > > But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any > > > numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the > > > bearings it use either. > > > > According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage > > > protection:http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#ande... > > > "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a > > > 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." > > > Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? > > > They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". > > > > Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) > > > > On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I > > > > have > > > > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride > > > > very > > > > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > > > > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > > > > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > > > > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > > > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > > > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > > > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > > > Oh, found the > > > > > producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Thanks for the info and I'm sure it's a great buy! But depending on the type of riding (brevé) I'm not sure it's right for me. In my book the switch is better placed on the lamp than on the hub. I'd like to get a B&M Kraftwerk dynamo charger for the vacation this year and buy or build a three LED-lamp, and I'm not sure the VO dynamo hub would work. Have a SON 28 and low end Shimano dynamo that I move around so when things become clearer I might open my wallet. Cheers! Pete On Mar 14, 11:31 pm, charlie wrote: > From what I understand it uses sealed bearings. I don't worry that it > has 5 mm (2.5 mm per side not much more than the width of a spoke) > narrower flange to flange width either. The VO is 45mm flange to > flange with a 82 mm diameter measurement. The "clutch switch" is the > switch so you don't need a redundant switched light unless you want > one. Output is at 6 Volts / 3 watts just like all other common > dynamos. I don't know about the voltage regulator stuff but I do know > I can use any decent LED light front and rear and have no problems and > enough light to really see with. For the $120 it cost me I believe it > to be well worth it. I don't think the resistance is any worse than > the current Shimano designs and they are nil with the Schmidt being > even more nil. I think if you plan to ride with lights all the time > the Son Deluxe might be the better hub. You just have to decide how > much you want to spend and whether you will always ride with lights on > or not. > > On Mar 14, 11:07 am, Pete wrote: > > > It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width > > witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There > > are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring > > ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). > > > I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle > > DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and > > 10% more thathe > > SON28!:http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nab... > > Anyone here with more info? > > > Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at > > the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of > > little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched > > off:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html > > But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any > > numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the > > bearings it use either. > > > According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage > > protection:http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#ande... > > "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a > > 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." > > Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? > > They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". > > > Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) > > > On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I > > > have > > > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride > > > very > > > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > > > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > > > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > > > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Patrick Moore > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > For professional resumes, contact > > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Thanks for the info and I'm sure it's a great buy! But depending on the type of riding (brevé) I'm not sure it's right for me. In my book the switch is better placed on the lamp than on the hub. I'd like to get a B&M Kraftwerk dynamo charger for the vacation this year and buy or build a three LED-lamp, and I'm not sure the VO dynamo hub would work. Have a SON 28 and low end Shimano dynamo that I move around so when things become clearer I might open my wallet. Cheers! Pete On Mar 14, 11:31 pm, charlie wrote: > From what I understand it uses sealed bearings. I don't worry that it > has 5 mm (2.5 mm per side not much more than the width of a spoke) > narrower flange to flange width either. The VO is 45mm flange to > flange with a 82 mm diameter measurement. The "clutch switch" is the > switch so you don't need a redundant switched light unless you want > one. Output is at 6 Volts / 3 watts just like all other common > dynamos. I don't know about the voltage regulator stuff but I do know > I can use any decent LED light front and rear and have no problems and > enough light to really see with. For the $120 it cost me I believe it > to be well worth it. I don't think the resistance is any worse than > the current Shimano designs and they are nil with the Schmidt being > even more nil. I think if you plan to ride with lights all the time > the Son Deluxe might be the better hub. You just have to decide how > much you want to spend and whether you will always ride with lights on > or not. > > On Mar 14, 11:07 am, Pete wrote: > > > It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width > > witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There > > are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring > > ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). > > > I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle > > DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and > > 10% more thathe > > SON28!:http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nab... > > Anyone here with more info? > > > Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at > > the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of > > little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched > > off:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html > > But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any > > numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the > > bearings it use either. > > > According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage > > protection:http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#ande... > > "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a > > 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." > > Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? > > They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". > > > Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) > > > On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I > > > have > > > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride > > > very > > > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > > > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > > > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > > > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Patrick Moore > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > For professional resumes, contact > > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Thanks for the info and I'm sure it's a great buy! But depending on the type of riding (brevé) I'm not sure it's right for me. In my book the switch is better placed on the lamp than on the hub. I'd like to get a B&M Kraftwerk dynamo charger for the vacation this year and buy or build a three LED-lamp, and I'm not sure the VO dynamo hub would work. Have a SON 28 and low end Shimano dynamo that I move around so when things become clearer I might open my wallet. Cheers! Pete On Mar 14, 11:31 pm, charlie wrote: > From what I understand it uses sealed bearings. I don't worry that it > has 5 mm (2.5 mm per side not much more than the width of a spoke) > narrower flange to flange width either. The VO is 45mm flange to > flange with a 82 mm diameter measurement. The "clutch switch" is the > switch so you don't need a redundant switched light unless you want > one. Output is at 6 Volts / 3 watts just like all other common > dynamos. I don't know about the voltage regulator stuff but I do know > I can use any decent LED light front and rear and have no problems and > enough light to really see with. For the $120 it cost me I believe it > to be well worth it. I don't think the resistance is any worse than > the current Shimano designs and they are nil with the Schmidt being > even more nil. I think if you plan to ride with lights all the time > the Son Deluxe might be the better hub. You just have to decide how > much you want to spend and whether you will always ride with lights on > or not. > > On Mar 14, 11:07 am, Pete wrote: > > > It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width > > witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There > > are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring > > ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). > > > I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle > > DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and > > 10% more thathe > > SON28!:http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nab... > > Anyone here with more info? > > > Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at > > the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of > > little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched > > off:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html > > But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any > > numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the > > bearings it use either. > > > According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage > > protection:http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#ande... > > "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a > > 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." > > Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? > > They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". > > > Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) > > > On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I > > > have > > > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride > > > very > > > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > > > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > > > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > > > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Patrick Moore > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > For professional resumes, contact > > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
For wheelbuilding purposes, a dished wheel is not much more difficult to build than a non-dished wheel. You may have two different spoke lengths, but otherwise the process is the same. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Thanks for the info! Hi! I can't assert with any Jobst-ish analysis or data that dish makes much difference, though obviously there are those with more knowledge than I who feel pretty strongly about it, both "yes" and "no". But... though I have a wheel history that has left me with an unhealthy amount of *rear* wheel anxiety... even I have no qualms with *this* amount of dish (which is pretty small) on a *front* wheel. No, for me this was idle curiosity. Well, perhaps slightly purposeful curiosity. I may lace up a wheel someday. If so, it'd probably be a front wheel. And maybe with a dynamo hub just to add some spice to the project. It strikes me that building a purely dishless wheel *might* be a simpler thing for a newbie to attempt, as it would mean not having to adjust one's (only) WAG between left and right checks. One less thing to worry about on one's first attempt. Now I'm aware that I can't assume all dynamo hubs are dishless. So... thanks! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Dish on dynamo hubs is sometimes non-zero. Non-disc SON hubs are symmetric, > but other manufacturers move the right flange inward to leave room for the > wire/plug connection. My personal favorite lotsa-bang-for-the-buck hub is > the Shimano Alfine, which has some dish because of the disc brake mount. > Personally, I think the anxiety over dished wheels is, in most cases, > unwarranted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
I second that "thanks" for the heads-up on the Sanyo. Definitely makes the endeavor a whole lot more realistic... and makes the switchable VO hub a whole lot less attractive. On Mar 15, 11:30 am, Philip Williamson wrote: > Thanks for the heads-up on the Sanyo that Peter White sells. I never > browse his site, since he's got the '1000 words are worth a picture' > thing going on. The picture he does have on there makes me like the > Sanyo better than the Novatech, though. Sexier photography is worth > $5. > > The Novatech isn't on sale, but I don't imagine they have a huge > number left at $35. > > Philip > > On Mar 14, 11:55 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > > > > > You might also look at the Sanyo hub from Peter White he sells it for > > $40 and it has cartridge bearings. From what I have read the reports > > are good on it. I may get one for another bike since the price is so > > reasonable. > > > On Mar 14, 9:15 pm, Ariel Bautista wrote: > > > > If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the > > > new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested > > > in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd > > > only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to > > > opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting > > > system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already > > > eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then > > > I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from > > > potatoes until I graduate... > > > > On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete wrote: > > > > > I see they finaly turned up at > > > > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > > Even Grant seem to be > > > > impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Dish on dynamo hubs is sometimes non-zero. Non-disc SON hubs are symmetric, but other manufacturers move the right flange inward to leave room for the wire/plug connection. My personal favorite lotsa-bang-for-the-buck hub is the Shimano Alfine, which has some dish because of the disc brake mount. Personally, I think the anxiety over dished wheels is, in most cases, unwarranted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Thanks for the heads-up on the Sanyo that Peter White sells. I never browse his site, since he's got the '1000 words are worth a picture' thing going on. The picture he does have on there makes me like the Sanyo better than the Novatech, though. Sexier photography is worth $5. The Novatech isn't on sale, but I don't imagine they have a huge number left at $35. Philip On Mar 14, 11:55 pm, charlie wrote: > You might also look at the Sanyo hub from Peter White he sells it for > $40 and it has cartridge bearings. From what I have read the reports > are good on it. I may get one for another bike since the price is so > reasonable. > > On Mar 14, 9:15 pm, Ariel Bautista wrote: > > > > > > > > > If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the > > new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested > > in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd > > only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to > > opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting > > system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already > > eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then > > I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from > > potatoes until I graduate... > > > On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete wrote: > > > > I see they finaly turned up at > > > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > Even Grant seem to be > > > impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
Perhaps someone can enlighten me... The switched hub specifications indicate that there is a difference between the distance from the left flange to the dropout and the distance from the right flange to the dropout. Does this imply that a wheel built with this hub would have non-zero dish? If so, is that typical of dynamo hubs? I guess I always thought a front wheel would be dishless. It never occurred to me that the mechanism of the dynamo itself would be left-right asymetrical. Curiously, Thomas Lynn Skean On Mar 14, 10:50 am, Pete wrote: > I see they finaly turned up at > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > Even Grant seem to be impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > are commuting, brevés and touring. > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
It's a neat idea, but gambling $40 more than a 3N72 on something with no track record doesn't strike me as the best idea, especially considering that VO has been not utterly fantastic about handling repairs in my experience. I'll wait to see how well they do after a couple of years of hard use... Plus I really wonder if you'd even notice the lack of drag when switched off. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
You might also look at the Sanyo hub from Peter White he sells it for $40 and it has cartridge bearings. From what I have read the reports are good on it. I may get one for another bike since the price is so reasonable. On Mar 14, 9:15 pm, Ariel Bautista wrote: > If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the > new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested > in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd > only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to > opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting > system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already > eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then > I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from > potatoes until I graduate... > > On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete wrote: > > > I see they finaly turned up at > > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > Even Grant seem to be > > impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from potatoes until I graduate... On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete wrote: > I see they finaly turned up at > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > Even Grant seem to be impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > are commuting, brevés and touring. > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
I have been hard-pressed to feel any noticeable drag on the dynamo hubs I own, so even though this looks like a well-made hub, I feel the switchable feature would be wasted on me. For about $65 you can buy a SRAM iLight. I love mine... it's smooth and reliable, and I can't feel any drag. For about $85-$90 you can find a Shimano DH-3N72. I have one on my Bomba, and it ROLLS!!! And then there's the $35 Novatech... You can get 4 of these for the price of 1 switched hub... I mean, wow... Besides, why even consider disabling a dynamo at all? Why not always utilize the hub's power and charge up your cell phone, batteries, etc when the lights aren't needed? It's essentially free power... I say take advantage of it!! The switchable hub (in my opinion) is trying to address a problem that really isn't enough of a problem to need addressing. If you're racing, then it's an entirely different story. But for the average rider, adding a miniscule amount of drag should be barely noticeable when actually rolling. Peace, BB On Mar 14, 8:04 pm, rob markwardt wrote: > "You can be like an early 19th > > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day." > > http://www.20potatoesaday.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
"You can be like an early 19th > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day." http://www.20potatoesaday.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
>From what I understand it uses sealed bearings. I don't worry that it has 5 mm (2.5 mm per side not much more than the width of a spoke) narrower flange to flange width either. The VO is 45mm flange to flange with a 82 mm diameter measurement. The "clutch switch" is the switch so you don't need a redundant switched light unless you want one. Output is at 6 Volts / 3 watts just like all other common dynamos. I don't know about the voltage regulator stuff but I do know I can use any decent LED light front and rear and have no problems and enough light to really see with. For the $120 it cost me I believe it to be well worth it. I don't think the resistance is any worse than the current Shimano designs and they are nil with the Schmidt being even more nil. I think if you plan to ride with lights all the time the Son Deluxe might be the better hub. You just have to decide how much you want to spend and whether you will always ride with lights on or not. On Mar 14, 11:07 am, Pete wrote: > It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width > witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There > are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring > ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). > > I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle > DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and > 10% more thathe > SON28!:http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nab...http://www.idworx-bikes.de/images/artikel/son-rood-big.jpg > Anyone here with more info? > > Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at > the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of > little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched > off:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html > But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any > numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the > bearings it use either. > > According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage > protection:http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#ande... > "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a > 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." > Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? > They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". > > Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) > > On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I have > > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride very > > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > Patrick Moore > > Albuquerque, NM > > For professional resumes, contact > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
It seems that the 'switchable hub' have a 48mm flange to flange width witch would make it narrower than the 50mm SON 20R / SON DeLux. There are those that consider this as a potential issue for loaded touring ( I like to think I have half of my riding life left... ). I've been searching for info about the release date for the wide axle DeLux but faild. It's supose to have 35% more lateral stiffness and 10% more thathe SON28!: http://radreise-forum.de/topics/550320/Neuer_Son_Deluxe_Wide_Body_Nabendynamo http://www.idworx-bikes.de/images/artikel/son-rood-big.jpg Anyone here with more info? Another thing is that you have to use the large star shape switch at the flange. So 'senso' auto and manual switches in the lamp will be of little use. It seems to spin very freely with the dynamo switched off: http://www.sp-dynamo.com/index.html But I'm worried about the friction when it's on as I haven't seen any numbers. Haven't been able to find out what type and quality of the bearings it use either. According to this page it might have a built in overvoltage protection: http://www.xs4all.nl/~swhs/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#andere-dynamo%27s "If that overvoltage protection is internal, it means you can't run a 3 LED lamp (LEDs in series) on it." Would that rule out the Supernova E3 Triple? They also claim it will have "noise from the gearing". Oh yes spuds are great stuff and so much easier to deal with... ; ) On Mar 14, 5:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I sprung, wholly needlessly, for a SON 20R (wheel built by Rich) and I have > not yet regretted spending the additional money. And I don't even ride very > far with it. I'd say that, for someone like you, the SON is the natural > choice. And spuds ain't bad: potato soup, latkes, french fries, potato > bread, potato pancakes, curried potatoes, samosas; Julie Andrews liked > potato sandwiches, but that is perverted. You can be like an early 19th > century Irish peasant and eat the average male 11 lbs/day. > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Pete wrote: > > I see they finaly turned up at VO: > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > > Even Grant seem to be impressed: > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > > are commuting, brevés and touring. > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
...and VO has a 20% off sale going through the 19th. So you can get a switchable dynamo to play with for just over $100. I've got a rim for it, too. Very tempting. On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete wrote: > I see they finaly turned up at > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > Even Grant seem to be impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > are commuting, brevés and touring. > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub
I purchased one and it cost $120 with shipping due to their 5th anniversary sale and 20% off pricing. I plan to lace mine into my current rim and think it will be fine. The Son has good seals and durability plus its been proven. Its roughly double the price but may not give double the miles. I waited months for a generator hub and should have purchased one sooner. Now that its spring and daylight savings time, I have less need for it but its a project building my bike that just keeps on going. I figure I have 10 to 15 years of cycling left so I don't think too much of the expense. Who knows, it may be the only affordable transportation soon with our crazy economy and resulting (potential) collapse of everything we know. Just get one or the other and ride the beans out of it! You'll be safer for it and your bike will become more of a vehicle and less of a toy for sunny days only. On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete wrote: > I see they finaly turned up at > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html > Even Grant seem to be impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322 > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a > review is premature so lets speculate wildly! > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use > are commuting, brevés and touring. > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
