Re: [RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-11 Thread R Shannon
Tim and Doug:

Thank you for all the info on packing and shipping.

Doug, your packing case sounds like it offers maximum protection. Perfect for 
my Atlantis too:-)

Thanks again,
Richard

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> On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:41 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> Richard:
> 
> I got mine at Performance many years ago.  Currently there are several 
> manufacturers and no doubt the features & technology are better.  For 
> instance, my case weighs 30 lbs empty, so pack the Atlantis with racks, etc., 
> & 70 lbs tips the scales pretty quick.  I haven't shipped my bike now for a 
> few years but IIRC there was also a weight limit that I got close to.  Of 
> course, any limit can be exceeded but costs money.  
> 
> That 30 lbs of case weight does include a lot of protection for the bike.  
> Look for cases with wheels & handles so you can easily roll it around rather 
> than trying to carry it.  
> 
> Pro tip on case measurements:  Clerks have been know to have difficulty 
> getting the correct dimensions when wrestling with large boxes.  Get some big 
> stencils, at least 4", & spray paint the dimensions right on the box, 
> including the total.  They see that, it looks official, and they don't have 
> to mess with it, they just accept it.  Saves discussions about how to measure.
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>> Doug, where did you purchase your hard case? Sounds like a smart investment.
>> Thanks very much,
>> Richard
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-11 Thread dougP
Richard:

I got mine at Performance many years ago.  Currently there are several 
manufacturers and no doubt the features & technology are better.  For 
instance, my case weighs 30 lbs empty, so pack the Atlantis with racks, 
etc., & 70 lbs tips the scales pretty quick.  I haven't shipped my bike now 
for a few years but IIRC there was also a weight limit that I got close 
to.  Of course, any limit can be exceeded but costs money.  

That 30 lbs of case weight does include a lot of protection for the bike.  
Look for cases with wheels & handles so you can easily roll it around 
rather than trying to carry it.  

Pro tip on case measurements:  Clerks have been know to have difficulty 
getting the correct dimensions when wrestling with large boxes.  Get some 
big stencils, at least 4", & spray paint the dimensions right on the box, 
including the total.  They see that, it looks official, and they don't have 
to mess with it, they just accept it.  Saves discussions about how to 
measure.

dougP

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>
> Doug, where did you purchase your hard case? Sounds like a smart 
> investment.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Richard
>

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-11 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
I bought the Bike Pro soft travel case. My 62cm A. Homer Hilsen fit just fine. 
I took it on the plane with me to France for PBP. I checked it at JFK and for 
some reason, did not have to pay a fee (but the American website was pretty 
clear that bikes were at least $150 if not oversized.) Since we stayed in 
Europe for a while, I shipped it back home in the case via Bike Flights. It 
cost me $220 from Paris to Connecticut and they picked it up at the hotel.

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-11 Thread dougP
Ben:

Yes, the 130" is Fed Ex & UPS ground.  Last time I looked into taking my 
case on United it was some horrendous cost like $300 each flight or 
something else prohibitive.  Beyond 62" airlines call it oversize & the 
rate skyrockets.   

You are correct that airlines limit is 62" which is a large suitcase size, 
nowhere big enough for a bike (unless Bike Friday or similar folder that 
goes into the 62" case).  I've not used Southwest or Jet Blue but have 
heard they take bikes at a reasonable cost.  Not sure what the packing 
requirements are though.  Worth checking on. 

dougP 

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:50:03 AM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Interesting ideas guys. 
>
> I will look into the Amtrak idea.
>
> Doug, are you sure about 130"? It seems airlines are mostly at 62 
> dimensional inches (length+height+width). 130 dimensional inches would be a 
> BIG box. The one I'm using to ship this sold bike is 81" (42+30+9). 
>
> As far as flights vs shipping, JetBlue is only $50, Southwest $75, and 
> United is $100 (but I really dislike United, so I'm not sure about that 
> one). Those are all options and give or take a BikeFlights shipment price 
> (assuming I can get it under their box size limits, as Eric points out).
>
> Any ideas on the best cases for large frames?
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:31:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Ben:
>>
>> Check all the airlines serving your destination but IMHO it's rare for an 
>> airline to be competitive with ground service.  On top of that, the 
>> airlines are no more gentle with luggage than UPS & Fed Ex are with 
>> packages. If you take your bike on the airplane, you also have to think 
>> about transporting the big box from the airport to your destination.  
>> Sounds trivial but it can be a hassle. 
>>
>> Check the current standards but the magic number for UPS & Fed Ex has 
>> been 130", combined length plus girth of your box.  I have a hard case that 
>> meets the requirement and my 58 cm Atlantis fits.  I have to remove racks 
>> but can still pack them in the box.  A 62 might be a snug fit.  
>>
>> Depending on your needs at your destination, another solution is to track 
>> down a rental bike.  This option has grown in availability in the last few 
>> years, and is worth considering if you are doing casual rides in one area.  
>> Of course, if you are setting out on a long, multi day tour having your own 
>> bike is priceless.  
>>
>> Have not used Bike Flights but they have gotten positive reviews on bike 
>> forums.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:05:32 PM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member 
>>> and also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with 
>>> me. Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when 
>>> it comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
>>> aren't so damn big. 
>>>
>>> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
>>> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
>>> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
>>>
>>> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs 
>>> shipping it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline 
>>> dependent, as the cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make 
>>> sense. But assuming a $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does 
>>> BikeFlight offer anything in terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do 
>>> you ship it too, if you don't have a contact where you're going? A bike 
>>> shop? 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-11 Thread RichS
Doug, where did you purchase your hard case? Sounds like a smart investment.

Thanks very much,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-11 Thread Ben Miller
Interesting ideas guys. 

I will look into the Amtrak idea.

Doug, are you sure about 130"? It seems airlines are mostly at 62 
dimensional inches (length+height+width). 130 dimensional inches would be a 
BIG box. The one I'm using to ship this sold bike is 81" (42+30+9). 

As far as flights vs shipping, JetBlue is only $50, Southwest $75, and 
United is $100 (but I really dislike United, so I'm not sure about that 
one). Those are all options and give or take a BikeFlights shipment price 
(assuming I can get it under their box size limits, as Eric points out).

Any ideas on the best cases for large frames?

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:31:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Ben:
>
> Check all the airlines serving your destination but IMHO it's rare for an 
> airline to be competitive with ground service.  On top of that, the 
> airlines are no more gentle with luggage than UPS & Fed Ex are with 
> packages. If you take your bike on the airplane, you also have to think 
> about transporting the big box from the airport to your destination.  
> Sounds trivial but it can be a hassle. 
>
> Check the current standards but the magic number for UPS & Fed Ex has been 
> 130", combined length plus girth of your box.  I have a hard case that 
> meets the requirement and my 58 cm Atlantis fits.  I have to remove racks 
> but can still pack them in the box.  A 62 might be a snug fit.  
>
> Depending on your needs at your destination, another solution is to track 
> down a rental bike.  This option has grown in availability in the last few 
> years, and is worth considering if you are doing casual rides in one area.  
> Of course, if you are setting out on a long, multi day tour having your own 
> bike is priceless.  
>
> Have not used Bike Flights but they have gotten positive reviews on bike 
> forums.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:05:32 PM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member and 
>> also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with me. 
>> Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when it 
>> comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
>> aren't so damn big. 
>>
>> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
>> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
>> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
>>
>> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs 
>> shipping it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline 
>> dependent, as the cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make 
>> sense. But assuming a $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does 
>> BikeFlight offer anything in terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do 
>> you ship it too, if you don't have a contact where you're going? A bike 
>> shop? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Ben
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

2018-01-10 Thread dougP
Ben:

Check all the airlines serving your destination but IMHO it's rare for an 
airline to be competitive with ground service.  On top of that, the 
airlines are no more gentle with luggage than UPS & Fed Ex are with 
packages. If you take your bike on the airplane, you also have to think 
about transporting the big box from the airport to your destination.  
Sounds trivial but it can be a hassle. 

Check the current standards but the magic number for UPS & Fed Ex has been 
130", combined length plus girth of your box.  I have a hard case that 
meets the requirement and my 58 cm Atlantis fits.  I have to remove racks 
but can still pack them in the box.  A 62 might be a snug fit.  

Depending on your needs at your destination, another solution is to track 
down a rental bike.  This option has grown in availability in the last few 
years, and is worth considering if you are doing casual rides in one area.  
Of course, if you are setting out on a long, multi day tour having your own 
bike is priceless.  

Have not used Bike Flights but they have gotten positive reviews on bike 
forums.  

dougP

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:05:32 PM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member and 
> also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with me. 
> Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when it 
> comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
> aren't so damn big. 
>
> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
>
> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs shipping 
> it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline dependent, as 
> the cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make sense. But 
> assuming a $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does BikeFlight offer 
> anything in terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do you ship it too, 
> if you don't have a contact where you're going? A bike shop? 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ben
>
>

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