[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Nitto M186 STI,   80mm reach & 122mm drop  
Nitto M151AAF,   78mm reach & 128mm drop
Nitto Neat MOD 104,  65mm reach & 140mm drop
Raech/Drop are C-C dimensions

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-13 Thread Patrick Moore 
Max and George: Thank you. But resolution pending for offer for Hover bar.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 12:32 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use
> the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so,
> it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all
> of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the
> the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the
> brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight
> transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very
> shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo
> bend.
>
> I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time
> because they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower
> drops, but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the
> rider - seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an
> individual preference...
>
> Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give
> you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
>
> https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-12 Thread maxcr 
I had the Sim Works co-misirlou bar on my AHH on a short stem and liked it 
a lot: https://www.sim.works/products/co-misirlou-bar

>From the site:
Material :Heat Treated Aluminium
Width :390, 410, 430, 450mm (center - center at ends)
Center diam. :26.0mm
Bar diam. :23.8mm
Reach :85mm
Drop :140mm
Color :High-polished Silver & Gloss Black

Another option I had considered: Dajia Cycleworks Shallow Drop Handlebar 
but a quick google search didn't seem to result in places where you can get 
it.

Max
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use 
> the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so, 
> it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all 
> of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the 
> the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the 
> brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight 
> transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very 
> shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo 
> bend.
>
> I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time 
> because they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower 
> drops, but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the 
> rider - seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an 
> individual preference...
>  
> Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give 
> you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
>
> https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-12 Thread George Schick 
Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use 
the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so, 
it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all 
of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the 
the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the 
brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight 
transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very 
shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo 
bend.

I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time because 
they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower drops, 
but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the rider - 
seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an 
individual preference...
 
Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give 
you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-12 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks, good to have first-hand approval of the Hovers.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 6:03 AM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can confirm that the Specialized Hover bars are great, too!
>
> (They also have a version of the Hover with a flare at the drops, btw...)
>
> Cheers!
>
> -- Liz
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:39:28 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should
>> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>>
>> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even
>> better:
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205=21018-3044
>>
>> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with
>> the 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>>
>> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars
>> suit better.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both
>>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn
>>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp
>>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's
>>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>>
>>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>>
>>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>>
>>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only
>>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of
>>> others!
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
 regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
 very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
 cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
 hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
 realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
 shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.

 Thanks.

 --

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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-12 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood 
I can confirm that the Specialized Hover bars are great, too!

(They also have a version of the Hover with a flare at the drops, btw...)

Cheers!

-- Liz



On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:39:28 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should 
> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205=21018-3044
>
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 
> 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars 
> suit better.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only 
>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of 
>> others!
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks Jeremy and Aaron; both bars are in the running. I still favor the
Specialized Hover bar for its 15 mm rise, but any of these with 31.8 mm
clamp would work.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 6:39 PM  wrote:

> Soma hwy 1 is another good (cheap) option in 26 and 31.8. I use them and
> like them but agree there is no place between the tops and hoods.
>
> Drop: 130mm
> Reach: 75mm
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 18:08, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> The Salsa Cowbell is the shortest drop bar I've found (and used) at 68mm
> reach. Contemporary "short and shallow" type hooks. If you're used to any
> kind of real estate behind the brake lever, however, you might find these
> lacking. Fully on the brake lever hoods is about the only hand position
> they offer in that region. I recently used some for about a year before
> swapping for the VO "Nouveau Randonneur," which has significantly more room
> behind the hoods but is also longer reach. I liked the angle and position
> of the drops on the Cowbells better, though.
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should
>> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>>
>> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even
>> better:
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205=21018-3044
>>
>> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with
>> the 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>>
>> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars
>> suit better.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both
>>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn
>>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp
>>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's
>>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>>
>>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>>
>>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>>
>>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only
>>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of
>>> others!
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
 regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
 very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
 cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
 hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
 realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
 shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.

 Thanks.

 --

 ---
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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread amillhench 
Soma hwy 1 is another good (cheap) option in 26 and 31.8. I use them and like 
them but agree there is no place between the tops and hoods. 

Drop: 130mm
Reach: 75mm

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jan 11, 2023, at 18:08, Jeremy Till  wrote:

The Salsa Cowbell is the shortest drop bar I've found (and used) at 68mm 
reach. Contemporary "short and shallow" type hooks. If you're used to any kind 
of real estate behind the brake lever, however, you might find these lacking. 
Fully on the brake lever hoods is about the only hand position they offer in 
that region. I recently used some for about a year before swapping for the VO 
"Nouveau Randonneur," which has significantly more room behind the hoods but is 
also longer reach. I liked the angle and position of the drops on the Cowbells 
better, though.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should have 
> mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
> 
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205=21018-3044
> 
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 15 
> mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
> 
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars suit 
> better.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>> 
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>> 
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>> 
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>> 
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only thing 
>> I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of others!
>> 
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
>>> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
>>> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
>>> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
>>> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread Jeremy Till 
The Salsa Cowbell is the shortest drop bar I've found (and used) at 68mm 
reach. Contemporary "short and shallow" type hooks. If you're used to any 
kind of real estate behind the brake lever, however, you might find these 
lacking. Fully on the brake lever hoods is about the only hand position 
they offer in that region. I recently used some for about a year before 
swapping for the VO "Nouveau Randonneur," which has significantly more room 
behind the hoods but is also longer reach. I liked the angle and position 
of the drops on the Cowbells better, though.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should 
> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205=21018-3044
>
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 
> 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars 
> suit better.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only 
>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of 
>> others!
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should
have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.

The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even
better:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205=21018-3044

I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the
15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.

Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars suit
better.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both
> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn
> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp
> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's
> is either the same, or 75mm...
>
> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>
>
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>
> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>
> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only
> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of
> others!
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread Nick Payne 
The Nitto Fairweather M174AA bar has 75mm reach, and comes in widths from 
380mm to 460mm. 25.4mm clamp diameter.

https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-m174aa-all-road-bar-silver.html

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood 
As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
is either the same, or 75mm...

I'm linking to the base-price versions...

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634

https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2

If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only thing 
I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of others!

Liz
Washington, DC



On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

2023-01-11 Thread Andrew Turner 
I too would be curious about a bar like this, specifically with a 26.0 or 
25.4 clamp size. If 31.8 isn't a buzzkill for you, I have nothing but good 
things to say about Ritchey's Evocurve handlebar. Quite comfy. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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