Re: [RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-29 Thread Doug H. 
Adam,
I did the same adjustment with my Microshift bar-end shifter on a recent 
ride. There is a spot where it holds cable tension without being overly 
difficult to shift.
Doug

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:42:22 PM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:

> I forgot to follow up. Tightening the D-ring as suggested here did the 
> trick of course. I turned it clockwise about a half turn, then backed off 
> that position just a wee bit during the test ride (in light snow!) and 
> found the sweet spot. Easy peezy! Thanks all!
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> I would also check the tension the D-ring . I typically start tightening 
>> all the way , put the shifter under max tension and start loosening it 
>> until it barely holds it in that position. I have found that this gives me 
>> the right balance of tension. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:22:33 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
>>> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
>>> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
>>> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by 
 Rivendell. Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so 
 on it, most of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends 
 ago, which was a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.

 Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
 shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog 
 of 
 the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
 largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
 would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
 cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force 
 that 
 would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
 the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
 rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
 time.

 I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
 ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
 own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
 the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
 shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
 things).

 I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
 knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.

 Any thoughts or tips?

 Thanks!

 Adam

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-29 Thread Adam Smith 
I forgot to follow up. Tightening the D-ring as suggested here did the
trick of course. I turned it clockwise about a half turn, then backed off
that position just a wee bit during the test ride (in light snow!) and
found the sweet spot. Easy peezy! Thanks all!

Adam

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM atreya...@gmail.com <
atreya.dee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would also check the tension the D-ring . I typically start tightening
> all the way , put the shifter under max tension and start loosening it
> until it barely holds it in that position. I have found that this gives me
> the right balance of tension.
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:22:33 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt,
>> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you
>> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a
>> feel for, not too tight, not too loose.
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell.
>>> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most
>>> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was
>>> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear
>>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of
>>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next
>>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and
>>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one
>>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that
>>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to
>>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out
>>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each
>>> time.
>>>
>>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like
>>> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its
>>> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all
>>> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver
>>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some
>>> things).
>>>
>>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective
>>> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-29 Thread atreya...@gmail.com 
I would also check the tension the D-ring . I typically start tightening 
all the way , put the shifter under max tension and start loosening it 
until it barely holds it in that position. I have found that this gives me 
the right balance of tension. 

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:22:33 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
>> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
>> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
>> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>
>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
>> time.
>>
>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
>> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
>> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
>> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
>> things).
>>
>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
>> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>
>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-17 Thread Pam Bikes 
Your cables are just getting broken in which is normal and as others have 
said, just tighten the D ring.  And not too tight.  You'll know.  Just 
loosen or tighten to your liking.  Just think if it as a old radio knob 
where you dial in the station.  It'll feel and sound right.  

I have another bike w/the thumbies.  How do you tighten those?  Looks like 
there is a bolt but I haven't tried it b/c I don't want to mess anything 
up.  It was ghost shifting so I know it needs to tighten but where?

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>
> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
> time.
>
> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
> things).
>
> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>
> Any thoughts or tips?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>

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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Joe Bernard 
My experience is they need to be snugged up every now and then. After a 
while you'll be able to tell as soon as you nudge the D-ring before a ride 
that it's time. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-8 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:

> D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first 
> time using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!
>
> Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it just 
> need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about it?
>
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
>> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
>> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
>> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
>>> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
>>> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
>>> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
>>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
>>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
>>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
>>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
>>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
>>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
>>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
>>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
>>> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
>>> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
>>> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
>>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
>>> things).
>>>
>>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
>>> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Greg J 
Like any screw, it will loosen over time, but for the most part, it should 
be set and forget for a good long time.  Especially if you use locktite or 
beeswax on the threads.  (Although I have had one set of screws and a frame 
where it would loosen frequently, which I attribute to bigger tolerances 
between the frame threads and the shifter screws, but that isn't the case 
here since you're using modern parts.)

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-8 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:

> D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first 
> time using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!
>
> Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it just 
> need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about it?
>
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
>> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
>> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
>> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
>>> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
>>> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
>>> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
>>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
>>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
>>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
>>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
>>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
>>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
>>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
>>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
>>> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
>>> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
>>> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
>>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
>>> things).
>>>
>>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
>>> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Adam Smith 
D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first time 
using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!

Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it just 
need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about it?


On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
>> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
>> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
>> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>
>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
>> time.
>>
>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
>> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
>> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
>> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
>> things).
>>
>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
>> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>
>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Garth 
>From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, which 
I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you want 
just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a feel 
for, not too tight, not too loose. 

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
> Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
> of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
> a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>
> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
> time.
>
> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
> things).
>
> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>
> Any thoughts or tips?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>

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